A fun thread because my library is closed.

[Anonymous No.1992621]

>Orwell would be proud

[Anonymous No.1992634]

>Orwell would have a double heart attack.

[Anonymous No.1992637]

>Fitzgerald would be proud

[Anonymous No.1992642]

>>1992637
i would legitimately read a manga great gatsby

actually manga classics would be pretty hilarious in general

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.1992646]

Orwell of the Senate

[Anonymous No.1992647]

>>1992642
Agreed.

If anyone knows of the existence of such a thing, please share the goodness.

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.1992652]

>>1992642

[Anonymous No.1992654]

>>1992647
There are loads. :I

Whether they're any good or not is another issue.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992655]

Sherlock Holmes would never leave his house again and spend all day watching London on little surveillance monitors

[Anonymous No.1992664]

>>1992655
Hello Sherlock Holmes guy. What's the best Sherlock Holmes story IYO.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992697]

>>1992664
Oh Gosh, they're all the best. 'cept the couple duds, but i like those too.

The Speckled Band seems to be a favorite for alot of people (including Doyle IIRC). The Final Problem and The Empty House are popular too because of their significance in the continuity of the canon.

my own favorite shifts around because i reread them alot and find different things to like. Lately I like 'Charles Augustus Milverton', mainly because of the multiple roll-reversals (H&W becomes the criminals, the criminal becomes the victim, the victim becomes the killer). but i also like...eh, i could say "but" a thousand times before i'd ever arrive on the final story i like best. But I also like The Dying Detective. and The Man With the Twisted Lip.

[Anonymous No.1992710]

>>1992697
Easier question: if you could hear any one of the stories Watson mentions but doesn't tell, which would it be?

Obvious answer is the giant rat of Sumatra but I'm curious what you think.

[Anonymous No.1992739]

>>1992710
I'm afraid I can't engage with you on such a detailed debate. I've just read The Hound of The Baskervilles, now I have the complete Sherlock Holmes and I've just finished part 1 of A Study in Scarlet.I'm a noob.

[Anonymous No.1992752]

>>1992739
Haha, no worries. Wish I could experience them for the first time again myself. Wait till you get to the short stories - that's where Holmes really shines, in my opinion.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992760]

>>1992710
That is indeed the obvious answer, and I think it's mainly because of the deliciously ominous way Holmes phrases it, while the rest are either Watson prattling on making lists of them or Holmes casually saying "oh I worked for the Pope once, no big deal"

i like the cases mentioned in THOR, though:

"Among these unfinished tales is that of Mr. James Phillimore, who, stepping back into his own house to get his umbrella, was never more seen in this world." and "Isadora Persano, the well-known journalist and duellist, who was found stark staring mad with a match box in front of him which contained a remarkable worm said to be unknown to science."

the umbrella one is just mysterious, the second one makes me lol

[Anonymous No.1992765]

>>1992642
>>1992654
>>1992647
Well, I come from /a/ with an unbiased mind (implying unbiased people on 4chan) and can safely say that the genres and stories in manga aren't nearly as cliche and lame as ANIME stories since the authors are more independent and can generally write what they want. They only choose not to because they need to make money and cliche shit sells.

I would hate to call any manga "literature" since i strongly believe literature is a term that belongs only to prose and books etc, but I think some manga that fit the literary requirements would be:

What A Wonderful World, The Dawn Before the End of the World, Blue Spring, and maybe Harukana Machi-E.

I highly recommend them to anyone interested (in that order).

[Anonymous No.1992778]

>>1992760

Where does Holmes say that he worked for the Pope?

[Anonymous No.1992784]

>>1992760
Those are some pretty good choices. I'd say, myself, that I was always interested in "the shocking affair of the Dutch steamship Friesland, which so nearly cost us both our lives" from The Adventure of the Norwood Builder.

It's such a shame Watson never found time to jot down a few notes...

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992790]

>>1992739
no rush! reading them for the first time is really the best part. I like Holmes in STUD. he's rather aloof in HOUN, in STUD you get to see him so manic/energetic/youthful. The short stories are where it's at, though, like >>1992752
says

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992824]

>>1992778
That's in Black Peter, though now that I'm looking it up it's another occasion where Watson is just rattling off untold cases. the 'tude i was trying to convey comes out in The Noble Bachelor, though:

"Goodday, Lord St. Simon," said Holmes, rising and bow-
ing. "Pray take the basket-chair. This is my friend and col-
league, Dr. Watson. Draw up a little to the fire, and we will talk
this matter over."
"A most painful matter to me, as you can most readily
imagine, Mr. Holmes. I have been cut to the quick. I understand
that you have already managed several delicate cases of this sort
sir, though I presume that they were hardly from the same class
of society."
"No, I am descending."
"I beg pardon."
"My last client of the sort was a king."
"Oh, really! I had no idea. And which king?"
"The King of Scandinavia."
"What! Had he lost his wife?"
"You can understand," said Holmes suavely, "that I extend
to the affairs of my other clients the same secrecy which I
promise to you in yours."

[cas(｡◕‿‿◕｡)tiel No.1992828]

>>1992765
To add to this, anything by Inio Asano is quality; I always recommend Nijigahara Holograph to anyone who wants to see the boundaries of manga as a literary medium pushed. Only a single volume too, so worth reading any time you have a free hour or two.

[Anonymous No.1992832]

>>1992778
SHG already got this but I guess I'll add this anyway. Holmes doesn't say it but Watson does - "in this memorably year '95... his famous investigation of the sudden death of Cardinal Tosca - an inquiry which was carried out by him at the express desire of His Holiness the Pope" - in The Adventure of Black Peter.

Well done SHG you bastard.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992841]

>>1992784
yes, that's a good one... perhaps holmes was annoyed by all the action/drama in it, with no redeeming deductive science to justify letting watson publish it

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992868]

>>1992832
Truly the most important thing about that story is learning that Holmes just strolls around London carrying harpoons like it aint no thang

>Well done SHG you bastard.
Well done yourself Anon!

[Anonymous No.1992877]

>>1992868
Thick, fleshy pink harpoons, with barbed purple tips. Perfect for hunting the white land whale.

[Anonymous No.1992884]

>>1992877
Many a night I've speared a land-whale with my pink, fleshy harpoon. And many a morning I've cried myself awake.

[Anonymous No.1992889]

Seeing as we totally hijacked this thread with Sherlock Holmes, does Sherlock or Watson ever have a girl round? If so what's the etiquette? Does Holmes hang his hat on the door knob?

[Anonymous No.1992893]

>Orwell would be proud

[Anonymous No.1992896]

>>1992765

Pretty sure they meant manga versions of classic books.

[Anonymous No.1992901]

>>1992889
Watson is married to an imprecise number of women, and lives in his own place for a substantial part of the series while he's married. The sexual habits of Sherlock Holmes are a matter little discussed in the stories; what evidence we have would seem to indicate, if anything, that he is not interested in women.

[Anonymous No.1992902]

>Orwell would be proud.

[Anonymous No.1992906]

>>1992889

Holmes and Watson are gay bro. They may have the odd rent-boy over for a coke-fuelled threeway though.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992907]

>>1992877
oh come on now

watson is hardly a whale

[Anonymous No.1992911]

>>1992901
I find it hard to believe that Sherlock Holmes had absolutely no interest in women. I am the guy who has only read one and a half Sherlock Holmes stories, but I can see he's not that dispassionate

[Pointman No.1992918]

SHG...how exactly would you categorize the relationship between Watson and Holmes? Are they like friends? Strictly accomplices? How would you word it?

[Anonymous No.1992917]

>>1992911
There's a reason that everyone thinks he's gay. Read the first paragraph of "A Scandal in Bohemia" which lays it out pretty well. He's incredibly dispassionate and basically uninterested in women. The fairer sex, after all, is Watson's department.

[Anonymous No.1992924]

>>1992917
Can't Watson be bicurious?

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992926]

>>1992889
Holmes never has girls 'round. The closest thing he has is a pilfered photograph of a crossdressing chick and a coin she gave him while he was disguised and spying on her

Watson has fucked millions of women, and married like 25 of them, probably half of them while on drunken benders in Vegas because sometimes they dont even know his actual name yet, but they all divorce him because he is too gay for Holmes. the etiquette is that Holmes sulks epicly when Watson likes women too much, or else seems indifferent.

>>1992911
Holmes is generally quite courteous with women. at times he expresses a distrust for them, but at other times he finds them to be usefully intuitive, and in the case of irene adler he obviously recognizes that they can outwit him and possess admirable qualities. he never marries.

i read an interesting lil article once about holmes having a crush on a violin player, lemme see if i can find it

[Anonymous No.1992929]

>>1992917
>funny

Looks interesting. I'll read that one next.

[Anonymous No.1992934]

>>1992926
That is interesting. Because his violin seems to prove he has some extra-curricular passions in him.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992936]

>>1992918
Personally I see them as best friends. Holmes loves to have an audience and Watson is fascinated by him and I suppose craves the excitement of the cases/wants to have something to write about to feed his artistic bent, and so they click very well in that aspect. Watson's intelligence is a cut above that of most of the people Holmes deals with day-to-day--he doesn't have Holmes' amazing skill, but he asks the right questions and makes a whetstone for Holmes' wit, so Holmes likes having him around for that reason as well. I think Watson is flattered by Holmes' appreciation and that he is actually interested in learning and applying Holmes' methods

So, BFF

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992954]

>>1992934
Found it!

http://www.sherlockpeoria.net/Who_is_Sherlock/NormanNeruda/NormanNeruda.html

[Anonymous No.1992960]

>>1992936
Butt fucking faggots?

HELL YEAH.

Except being British from this era I imagine they do it intercruxial.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992962]

>>1992906
Oh you mean Billy?

"It was pleasant to Dr. Watson to find himself once more in the untidy room of the first floor in Baker Street which had been the starting-point of so many remarkable adventures. He looked round him at the scientific charts upon the wall, the acid-charred bench of chemicals, the violin-case leaning in the corner, the coal-scuttle, which contained of old the pipes and tobacco. Finally, his eyes came round to the fresh and smiling face of Billy, the young but very wise and tactful page, who had helped a little to fill up the gap of loneliness and isolation which surrounded the saturnine figure of the great detective."

dat opening paragraph... "oh its nice to be back look how cute and cozy the old apartment is and by the way holmes is wasting away, dying of crippling loneliness since i fucked off with whats-her-name, oh sup billy"

[Anonymous No.1992965]

>>1992954
That woman's handwriting is illegible.

[Anonymous No.1992966]

>he doesn't have Holmes' amazing skill, but he asks the right questions

Because he's a doctor. Conan Doyle went to medical school, and some characteristics of Holmes are based on his professor there. But I think it's interesting to see Watson as being Conan Doyle's own surrogate in the stories (and thus narrated to a certain degree in his own voice) while Holmes represents something very different----he is recognizably a dandy according to fin-de-siecle behavior, is described as "bohemian" in at least one story. Frankly I've always thought there was a hint of Oscar Wilde about Holmes: after all, Wilde had been famous for 5 years when Holmes first appeared. And Conan Doyle had dinner with Wilde when he agreed to write The Sign of Four.

I also find myself perpetually amused by the fact that the only woman to interest Sherlock Holmes was born in New Jersey.

[Anonymous No.1992969]

>>1992889
>>1992906
>>1992962
many lols

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992970]

>>1992960
>Except being British from this era I imagine they do it intercruxial.

10+ points for knowing your regional 19th century buttsex facts

[Anonymous No.1992982]

>>1992965

22 May 83.

Dear Mr MacKinley,

I hear from Mr Halle that he has already accepted a few engage-ments for the middle of October which, however he will endeavour to cancel if we should

I can go on transcribing it if you're curious but it's really boring. It's about scheduling a concert date.

[Anonymous No.1992984]

It's like a /lit/ version of Godwin's law. All threads about Sherlock Holmes will eventually lead to someone mentioning intercruxial gay sex.

[Anonymous No.1992986]

Are we talking about interCRURAL sex here, aka the Princeton Rub or the Princeton First-Year? (And what was ostensibly practiced in ancient Greece?)

I've never heard of intercruxial sex.

[Anonymous No.1992987]

>>1992982
Oh. Nothing important then. I half suspected there was a mystery to solve.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1992993]

>>1992966
i'd heard that Wilde and Doyle had met, but i never knew much about the encounter. why exactly were they dining together, if you know?

>is described as "bohemian" in at least one story
do you recall which one? my guess is the musgrave ritual, where watson gives that charming description of the state of their rooms and Holmes' crazy paper-hoarding

>I also find myself perpetually amused by the fact that the only woman to interest Sherlock Holmes was born in New Jersey.
haha. i think Doyle really liked to write tomboyish women, and he must have perceived America and Australia as being abundant with them

[Anonymous No.1993002]

>>1992993

Watson calls Holmes "bohemian" in The Engineer's Thumb:

>It was in the summer of ’89, not long after my marriage, that the events occurred which I am now about to summarise. I had returned to civil practice and had finally abandoned Holmes in his Baker Street rooms, although I continually visited him and occasionally even persuaded him to forgo his Bohemian habits so far as to come and visit us.

And the Wilde / Conan Doyle dinner is famous in literary history because it was with a magazine editor, who hired each of them to write a novel for serial publication. Conan Doyle wrote Sign of Four; Wilde wrote Dorian Grey.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1993018]

>>1992986
i assume so, i figured intercruxial was a typo or an alternate term

take this lovely photo as recompense for your confusion

[Anonymous No.1993019]

Holy shit, didn't know /lit/ liked Holmes. So far I've only read the first 2 novels and a few short stories from the complete collection, and I've loved every minute of it (except for the strange anti-Mormon tangent in Study in Scarlet). What an amazing character though.

Not /lit/ related but I'm digging the new BBC series as well. The Guy Ritchie film was meh though.

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1993034]

>>1993002
ah, thanks

>And the Wilde / Conan Doyle dinner is famous in literary history because it was with a magazine editor, who hired each of them to write a novel for serial publication. Conan Doyle wrote Sign of Four; Wilde wrote Dorian Grey.

wow! cool. gonna go read up on that.

still haven't read Dorian Gray...i'll get on that at some point. unless you've got other Wilde recommendations. i read the importance of being earnest in highschool, that's it

[Anonymous No.1993037]

>>1992986
Yes, we are talking intercrural.

[Anonymous No.1993040]

IF LIBRARIES WERE A NEW CONCEPT, NO ONE WOULD TAKE IT ON (AS IN GOVERNMENT'S), AS IT'D BE VIEWED AS A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY AND LACK OF POTENTIAL MARKET SHARE FOR PUBLISHERS

YEAH

[Anonymous No.1993042]

>>1993019
:/
You should have stuck that in spoilers. I'm halfway through A Study in Scarlet and I have to say mormons is a surprise.

[Anonymous No.1993046]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Conan Doyle had a thing for fairies.

[Anonymous No.1993054]

>>1993018

My dear SHG, I rather suspect it was a non-native speaker of English. Crus, cruris is the Latin word for legs / inner thighs----the scientific name for "jock itch" is tinea cruris. English uses the second (genitive) form of the noun to form Latinate words, hence "intercrural", which rhymes with "intermural". But other (Romance) languages might use the nominative form.

I would deduce therefore that the man (and he was a man, my dear SHG, but surely you knew that) who made this orthographical error was either Albanian or Portuguese, as those are the only romance languages which make a regular substitution of "x" for "s". I would also deduce that, if not an actual homosexual, he is at the very least----perhaps with the right lighting and after a few drinks (a snifter of rakia if he should prove Albianian, or simply a small port if Portuguese)---bi-curious.

Why don't you ask him? The game's afoot!

[emanymtonsisiht !!h1fwOhSuCxz No.1993089]

Protect and serve. Protect and service. At your service ma'am. Howdy. Good day nigger. What's up tyrique? Protect and serve protect and serve. PROTECT YOU FROM YOURSELVES YOU STUPID ANIMALS NOW BOW DOWN BEFORE MY GIANT BLUE BATON AND LOOK ME IN THE EYE WHEN IM FUCKING YOU BITCH

[Sherlock Holmes Guy No.1993109]

>>1993054
Quite so, Anon! But how in the name of all that is wonderful did you know that linguistical erudition is my primary turn on? I find myself so entirely distracted by this question that I am afraid I won't be able to make much headway in our latest case until it is resolved...I do hope you won't think me impertinent for pressing the matter

[Anonymous No.1993119]

>>1993054
Sir, I have been drinking the oporto drink, and am "bi-curious," but you mistake yourself.

I view fucking the thighs as the crux, the cruxus, the cruxial experience. There in lies my errors.