/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.19914976]

Edition: Prince of Atrithau.

Previous Thread: >>19909314

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>Discord
Don't care

[Anonymous No.19914978]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19914995]

How do I know if my writing is good or not?

[Anonymous No.19915014]

>>19914995
You let us be the judges of that.

[Anonymous No.19915018]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.19915023]

Scarlet Citadel is really good and has lots of twists and turns. What now?

[Anonymous No.19915028]

>>19915018
The fast paced battle scenes were interesting, the characters introspective, and the other species different enough to give thought to how they regard humans beings in general. Part of it, I think, was that the characters' names were so close in style, indicating affiliation, that it was hard to tell them apart until their setting or actions dictated it. There were also very many useless characters in a lot of unrelated settings that felt confusing, because they were so similar to other settings. In the end, while the story is far from over, it didn't have the hold on me that made me want to immediately pick up the sequel to see what happens next.

Not very good.

[Anonymous No.19915039]

>>19915028
>look at me guys I can copy and paste Goodreads reviews look how heckin epic and ironic I am

[Anonymous No.19915041]

>>19915039
Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19915043]

>>19915041
americans are fucked

[Anonymous No.19915046]

>>19915039
Just further proof that literally no one read or cares about your shitty book. Stop spamming.

[Anonymous No.19915053]

case in point

[Anonymous No.19915057]

>>19915049
Based.

[Anonymous No.19915062]

>>19915053
Does it trouble you, moogy?

[Anonymous No.19915064]

>>19915054
Stop posting selfies, please.

[Anonymous No.19915065]

Off to a great start

[Anonymous No.19915071]

>>19915054
>>19915068
Imagine having those saved on your phone.

[Anonymous No.19915075]

What happened to this general?

Is it really the Americans?

[Anonymous No.19915076]

>>19915075
yes

[Anonymous No.19915077]

>>19915076
Why, How? I know it's US hours, but why?

[Anonymous No.19915079]

>>19915077
>why
because they're fucked

[Anonymous No.19915088]

Is this worth buying?

[Anonymous No.19915090]

>>19915075
>>19915076
>>19915077
>>19915079
>if I samefag for long enough they just might start to believe it

[Anonymous No.19915091]

>>19914912
You really didn't pick up on any of the Christian symbolism?

[Anonymous No.19915092]

"Muh Americans" fags are worse than Bakkerfags and Sandersoys.

[Anonymous No.19915093]

>>19915090
Cope.

[Anonymous No.19915096]

>>19915093
>baby’s first IP hop
Nobody responds to another post within 20 seconds, you have a serious mental illness and you need to seek help

[Anonymous No.19915098]

>>19915096
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.19915101]

>>19915096
>Implying you can IP hop and post within 20 seconds.
Meds.

[Anonymous No.19915102]

>>19915096
>>19915098
You two have done this song and dance for like 3 threads in a row, can you just make up and suck each other's weenies so the rest of us can get back to discussing books?

[Anonymous No.19915106]

just range ban all of NA, please

[Anonymous No.19915107]

>>19915102
No, we have not. I was genuinely asking what has happened to this general and why people kept blaming the Americans.

[Anonymous No.19915110]

Started going through Bakker. Literally the only time Kellhus is bearable is in his own pov chapters. Any other time he's pure mary sue cringe.

[Anonymous No.19915112]

>>19915107
> I was genuinely asking what has happened to this general
It went to shit
>why people kept blaming the Americans.
Autism. Autism is also the reason the general went to shit.

[Anonymous No.19915115]

>>19915110
His PoV chapters are pure KINO. Too bad Bakker's a lazy fucker and includes almost none.

[Anonymous No.19915117]

>>19915076
>>19915079
How are you able to reply so quickly? Are you using any extension or something?

[Anonymous No.19915120]

>>19915117
lurk more faggot

[Anonymous No.19915122]

>>19915115
Yes I agree they are enjoyable. Because you see his doubts and unsureness. I can't stand him otherwise.

[Anonymous No.19915124]

>>19915117
He’s replying to himself on PC and mobile, people have been doing this for over a decade

[Anonymous No.19915126]

>>19915124
you too, tourist

[Anonymous No.19915129]

>>19915122
He's not supposed to be liked. He's not really Human in the metaphorical sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.19915132]

>>19915126
Don’t care

[Anonymous No.19915133]

>>19915132
of course you don't, because you're an american election tourist

[Anonymous No.19915135]

>>19915124
>>19915126
Oh no no no no no

>>19915132
Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.19915139]

>>19915133
Cry

[Anonymous No.19915142]

What's an election tourist?

[Anonymous No.19915144]

>>19915142
you

[Anonymous No.19915158]

>>19915142
A word used by trannies

[Anonymous No.19915172]

>>19915144
I'm starting to think that you are the PROBLEM going on an endless rampage. Just chill bro, we're just here to discuss books.

[Anonymous No.19915176]

>>19915172
of course the problem would say that

[Anonymous No.19915179]

>>19915176
I'm not American, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.19915180]

>>19915172
He’s a janny which is why he’s never been banned after continuously shitting up the thread

[Anonymous No.19915186]

>>19915179
Of course you're not; you're shitting up the thread like a yurokebab.

[Anonymous No.19915192]

>>19915186
>Implying I was talking with you.
You can't be this retarded, can you?

[Anonymous No.19915199]

>tfw still haven't read lotr
Am I really missing out

[Anonymous No.19915211]

>exultation
>exultation
>exultation
>exultation
>exultation
>exultation
shut the FUCK up.

[Anonymous No.19915236]

>>19915199
Yes. Every time you think of opening 4chan you should spend that time reading LOTR instead

[Anonymous No.19915299]

>>19915199
its pretty good

[Anonymous No.19915368]

>>19915073

Hmm, ok, I didn't realise that the undines were only the females (aka the brides of abaia, right?). The fact that he's "one of them" aka like abaia and erebus, rather than one of their followers, doesn't really change much though, does it? This really seems like a small mistake of terminology, but thanks for pointing it out.

I agree with you that all of the plot points you mentioned and more are really great, I thoroughly enjoyed the story, but what I don't understand is the whole reputation of "needing a second/third reread" and "having a deeper narrative that you can't understand the first time". On reddit someone asked if "BOTNS is really as intimidating as people say" and the replies go like:

>The book will not make sense the first time through.
>everytime you reread, you peel a layer of the onion

etc., etc., But when I try and research what these "inner layers of the onion" are, all I can find are things that can be understood easily by (carefully) reading only once, without even referring back or anything. That's why I'm confused and a bit disappointed.

>>19915091

Yes, obviously there was heaps of christian symbolism, bible references, jesus allegories, severian was obviously a christ-like figure, etc. I noticed plenty of these, and they are discussed heavily online. My problem is that every review and critique of this story acts like it's incredibly subtle and deeply hidden when really the book hits you over the head with the whole "severian as christ" thing the whole way through.

I really enjoyed the series, I just had really high expectations that the entire thing was going to turn on its head and reveal that everything was not as it seemed, based on the ridiculously lofty reviews I'd read online. Instead, it was just a great sci-fi/speculative/literary fiction with heaps of good concepts, a unique setting and creative perspective.

I'm not trying to brag that I totally understood everything on my first go, but I'm really not, I'm just saying that I fully expected to get more from it the second time through, and instead got nothing but the same story again and I thought I might be missing something more fundamental than just a few subtle plot points here and there.

Basically I just wish I hadn't read any reviews before I started, I know I would have enjoyed it way more without this expectation.

[Anonymous No.19915377]

>>19915368
Didn’t read

[Anonymous No.19915402]

>>19914976
Best Sword & Sorcery besides Conan?

[Anοnymous No.19915408]

what is THE quintessential cultivation/zen myth tale?
I've read Unsouled and The Ronin but I yearn for quality and tradition

[Anonymous No.19915449]

>>19915408
There's really only English-language fanfics of Chinese texts that are fanfics of ancient Chinese texts

[Anonymous No.19915468]

>>19915018
didn't hate it but it felt like a mediocre attempt at ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.19915483]

Any sci-fi books about robots who have taken over a civilisation but keep the original biological creators of that civilisation around and alive and happy because it's a part of their programming to care for them?

[Anonymous No.19915507]

>>19915483
Sounds roughly similar to the Minds in the culture series

[Anonymous No.19915514]

A book that is non-tolkien but also non-herbert?

[Anonymous No.19915517]

>>19915368
>Instead, it was just a great sci-fi/speculative/literary fiction with heaps of good concepts, a unique setting and creative perspective.
I agree with your post almost 100%, but I don't understand why you're disappointed. BOTNS being a story instead of a mechnical puzzlebox is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.19915537]

>>19915514
player of games

[Anonymous No.19915542]

THE quintessential ideal power-hungry voluntarily-celibate 4chan arch magus.

[Anonymous No.19915546]

>>19915408
Journey to the West?

[Anοnymous No.19915559]

>>19915546
already read it, m8
>>19915449
rec me some more? I'm reading "The Book and The Sword" right now but its not quite scratching the itch, I think I need something more cultivation-ish

[Anonymous No.19915571]

>>19915559
There's Thousand Li of course which is written by an actual Chinaman who adds footnotes sometime which explain the origin of some Chinese proverbs/quotes or context-related things which I find is neat.
I like Soulship which involves a guy who has to protect a girl who is also a ship from inside her ship body, growing stronger and clearing out more of the ship. He goes elsewhere as well so it isn't all ship but it's the only cultivation where the MC can temporarily ascend and become stronger, somehow out of all the shit I've come across
soulship 5 fucking when

[Anonymous No.19915576]

>>19915571
that sounds retarded, I'm in

[Anοnymous No.19915585]

>>19915571
I love this image.

[Anonymous No.19915587]

Finishing this book was like reading an /sffg/ thread. Sheer disappointment.

I started the Northworld trilogy after finishing pic related. It's about a guy who is sent to a hidden planet which had three teams sent and subsequently went missing. I'm not very far, a few chapters in. The summary paints MC as a badass so I want to see what happens. He's gotten to the planet area thing and was sent to a pocket dimension. Somehow, the 'antagonists' who run Northworld have access to something called the Matrix which lets them do whatever they want, the inevitable magickal sci-fi mcguffin. We'll see what happens.
The only mention of Northworld on /lit/ was once a few years back in passing.

[Anonymous No.19915609]

>>19915576
It's fun! There's a lot of potential in my opinion so I hope the series remains tolerable at worst. With the way book 4 tied off an arc, book 5 should be fucking radical but the author's only update page is his facebook and I'm not making a fb for that.

[Anonymous No.19915628]

>>19915517

Disappointed is the wrong word, I liked it a lot. I was just
1) trying to make sure I hadn’t completely missed something, as some online discussion would imply, and
2) frustrated that I read the whole thing twice, digging it apart, trying to read between the lines, and find the ‘secret inner layers’, only to realise that just because some reddit pseuds couldn’t understand it doesn’t mean it was actually that deep and I should have just been enjoying the ride.

[Anonymous No.19915632]

hahahaha imaging being so autistic you samefag pc and phonepost on sffg just talking to yourself. lit has the best autists never change - better than pol int fa mu int by a country mile

[Anonymous No.19915641]

>>19915542
Who?

[Anonymous No.19915642]

>>19915587
SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE

[Anοnymous No.19915647]

>>19915632
point the samefags out to me

[Anonymous No.19915656]

Bakker is ruling supreme
Sanderson rage and scream
Rage so hard he blows steam
Bakker make pussies cream

[Anonymous No.19915657]

>>19915514
The Deep by John Crowley

[Anonymous No.19915664]

kek look at this random shit I just found
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54329757-the-last-lumenian
>MOST PRINCESSES NEED SAVING. THIS ONE WILL SAVE YOU.
>She is a rebel.
>female author

[Anonymous No.19915682]

>>19915368
I still find myself wondering about Severan being sort of spread throughout time by the exultants and their masters those angel judges.
They seem to copy him, like putting him thousands of years ago as Apu whatever, and also manipulate his time steam in a strange way. Like he clearly died by downing, but was either copied or undone or the undine altered him in some way but the undines are opposed to the angel guys, so not sure why they'd bring him back.
Also he seems to hang out in his own tomb as a boy.

I dunno, it's not so much there's a big Prestige reveal that turns the narrative on it's head so much as no matter how long you spend thinking about it you're never quite sure what's really going on.
It reminds me of Twin Peaks and Lynch in general. There's theories that fit 90%, but never everything.

It might feel like a cheap trick if it wasn't done so perfectly that just feels real and like you can almost grasp it.

[Anonymous No.19915715]

>>19914995
Read it

[Anonymous No.19915726]

>>19915664
I should become a female author

[Anonymous No.19915739]

Anyone else just fucking hate Nonmen?
>muh memories
>muh glory
>muh need to kill and betray shit to feel alive
Shut up you pretentious pale niggers.

[Anonymous No.19915773]

rereading judging eye and got to the bit in cil augas where they find the dying guy from another band of scalpers and cut him open and his heart has a human eye in/on it.

there's no way that isn't inspired by the behelit from berserk

[Anonymous No.19915783]

>>19915739
Them not being able to see paintings is pretty cool

[Anonymous No.19915816]

>>19915739
I've always seen it as an interesting twist on the fantasy trope of noble and ancient elves. Also Nonmen work really well for the unity of the work since madness is a huge part of the theme.

[Anonymous No.19915895]

I'm still seething that I just finished the best fantasy series I've ever read and not knowing if our lord and propet Bakker will ever grace us with TNG. What am I supposed to read now Bakker bro's? Done Malazan, got 4 books into twot and can't handle the shitty prose.

[Anonymous No.19915898]

>Bakker
>Berserk
Is this another Pablo thread?

[Anonymous No.19915949]

>>19915898
>>19915895
>>19915816
>>19915783
>>19915739
Tell me Bakkerfags, Just started book 4 of this series what should i expect besides more cuckholding scenes?
A friend of mine told me it goes to shit after book 3 and the last book has the worst ending, therefore i should stop rn

[Anonymous No.19915959]

>>19915641
this is /sffg/, how the fuck do you not know raistlin majere???

it's been like 40 years my dude, get with the fucking program already

[Anonymous No.19915965]

>>19915656
>bakker makes penises cream

fyp

[Anonymous No.19915972]

>>19915895
I enjoyed the Gormenghast series even after reading Bakker

[Anonymous No.19915982]

>>19915949
there's more cuck "holding", books don't get worse though

[Anonymous No.19915995]

>>19915949
Yeah, I have been very curious about the overall quality of this series as well. Unfortunately, my friend has been very unreliable about this kind of stuff. He's also very quiet about his opinions on it.

It's definitely an entertaining series, but I have to admit, I have not read the series as a whole.

I'm just curious if anyone has read the entire series? What did you think?

1. The world of MRA and PUA is essentially a bunch of self-important, self-righteous, bigots who want to have their way with women. The women who participate in it are either masochistic, or weak-willed, or both. And if you don't do what they want, you get called names, or told to suck it up, or kicked out of the group.

2. The women who don't get what the men want are called bitches, sluts, or slags. There's even an acronym for it: SLAM.

3. When they get what they want, it's because they're naturally submissive and feminine, and the men are naturally dominant and masculine.

[Anonymous No.19916039]

>>19915995
Accidentally pasted some your AI-generated coom story in your message, I see? Maybe you should go back to /vg/aids/

[Anonymous No.19916046]

>>19916039
You thought this was AI? I was merely describing what my friend and I were thinking about w.r.t. the gender dynamics in Atrocity Tales

[Anonymous No.19916093]

>>19916046
Oh yeah? It has the kinds of errors AI-generated has

[Anonymous No.19916176]

Best fantasy for children?

I lent my nephew the Chronicles of Narnia, and he loved them and is asking if I have more books. I have and enjoyed the Bartimaeus books by Jonathan Stroud, but I think he might be slightly young for them. Has anyone read his other series, lockwood and co? Is it clever as well?

[Anonymous No.19916179]

>>19916176
Redwall. Can't go wrong with Redwall.

[Anonymous No.19916228]

>>19916179
Thanks anon. This guy looks pretty based

[Anonymous No.19916277]

>>19915949
Your friend is a faggot and probably a skin-spy as well. Stab him and watch the face unclench.

[Anonymous No.19916294]

>>19914995
submit it to a publisher that pays and wait for their verdict

[Anonymous No.19916354]

[Anonymous No.19916359]

>>19914995
Read lots of stuff and think about it.

[Anonymous No.19916440]

bakker thread

>>19906403
>>19906403
>>19906403

[Anonymous No.19916642]

>>19916354
Actual King of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.19916668]

>about to finish the last book of babel
Anything else similar to this? His new series is coming out later this year apparently.

[Anonymous No.19916677]

I'd enjoy sci fi and fantasy a lot more if I didn't see what kind of manchildren you people are.

[Anonymous No.19916841]

>>19914948
At last.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Anonymous No.19916918]

>>19915816
They're not conceptually bad but the way Bakker describes them is obnoxious. Like I GET IT they like to build large caverns and carve fucking everything into walls, no Scott I wasn't eager to know the name of every chair in their room. Also, I find it hard to believe that in 4000 or so years they all somehow went crazy from forgetting too much. Make it 100 000 years and we talk. I can keep quite alot in my brain about the 4000 years of human history and I'm not shitting myself from exertion.

[Anonymous No.19916927]

>>19916918
This is also a problem I've noticed in his work, him being more of a worldbuilder than dramatizer.

[Anonymous No.19917043]

>>19916927
so he is more of a Tolkien than a Herbert?

[Anonymous No.19917066]

>>19917043
He's more of a GRRM than either.

[Anonymous No.19917190]

>>19917043
LOTR and Dune are two thing Bakker listed as inspiration for TSA, which is kind of obvious anyway, Second Apocalypse is a splice of the two while asking several questions
>What if the cost of prescience was the complete loss of humanity
>What if Mordor actually had goals that under certain angle could be seen as noble
>What if Frodo was a cuckold

[Anonymous No.19917207]

>>19917190
>What if the Elves are madmen
>What if Arwen is a slut
>What if Eowyn fucks Eomer

[Anonymous No.19917230]

Being released the 15th Feb, how excited are you?

[Anonymous No.19917264]

>>19917230
is this part of the Eternal Champion?

[Anonymous No.19917345]

>>19915023
based. Tower of the Elephant next

[Anonymous No.19917358]

Robert E Howard seemed like a nice guy, let a lot of other people into the world of pulp magazines, it seems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r6HASJNcpk

[Anonymous No.19917365]

>>19917230
>>19917264
based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODNqxcRQGH4

I am going through Wagner's Kane novels now (got em all paperback on Ebay for like $20), so if I've still got some sword and sorcery in me I'll check these out next. I've never read any Moorcock before.

[Anonymous No.19917402]

>>19917345
Looking forward to it, watching some videos and lectures on Howard in-between. What's your fav, anon?

[Anonymous No.19917405]

What are some books with romance in them
but a male protagonist and has no gay sex

[Anonymous No.19917412]

>>19917402
it actually is Tower of the Elephant, so maybe save that one for later. or honestly just go in publication order, I believe that's how the 'Complete Chronicles' reads. God in the Bowl stands out well too. granted I haven't read Conan in a long long time. enjoy it, Howard's writing is like molasses to me: thick and sweet.

[Anonymous No.19917455]

>>19917264
Omnibus of the original elric saga novels.

[Anonymous No.19917461]

Do black people read fantasy? No shitpost

[Anonymous No.19917469]

>>19917461
>Do black people read?
Better question right here anon.

[Anonymous No.19917482]

>>19917469
Well do they? I'm doing internet searches and I get article after article talking about how black people dont read

[Anonymous No.19917483]

>>19917461
yes, black people read fantasy
but I'm guessing you're american, so considering your exposure to them, what your question should really be is
Do americans read fantasy? No shitpost

[Anonymous No.19917486]

>>19917483
I'm American and every friend I ever had read fantasy at some point. But I've never even seen a black person with a book in their hand outside of school.

[Anonymous No.19917488]

>bakker, botns, first law series, Thomas covenant 1-3, Malazan
What other fantasy should I look at ?

[Anonymous No.19917500]

>>19917486
The closest thing you'd find is the rare black weebs that exist which probably have read fantasy outside of manga at one point.

[Anonymous No.19917522]

>>19917500
Even with the weebiest of outcast blacks I wouldn't bet much on reading beyond manga/ln's unless they have a white weeb friend basically shove real literature down their throat.

[Anonymous No.19917525]

>>19917483
pretty much this, Americans live in a bubble with their racist views, not realizing that it is them, the entire country, that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.19917539]

>>19917525
It goes like this, americans laugh at minorities, the world laughs at americans, and then aliens laugh at earthlings

[Anonymous No.19917561]

>>19917525
>the entire country, that's retarded.
Closer to 13% of it actually.

[Anonymous No.19917570]

>>19917525
My point is, why should fantasy be woke then? Why should we write non-whites in fiction if they don't read it?

[Anonymous No.19917600]

>>19917570
Because it isn't about entertaining them, it's about brainwashing us through repetitive exposure to this crap until we just accept it as everyday. You are a frog being boiled gradually.

[Anonymous No.19917614]

>>19916176
deltora quest is amazing no cap

[Anonymous No.19917618]

>>19917614
fr?

[Anonymous No.19917621]

>>19917500
>rare

>>19917488
covenant isn't that good imo, unless you mean you have read those books. lord of the rings?

[Anonymous No.19917623]

>>19917570
The real answer is that they think that non-whites don't read fantasy because fantasy doesn't include non-whites. So the idea is that if they write woke fantasy, then blacks will start reading it and increase their revenue. But what happens is that blacks don't start reading fantasy because they never cared about it and whites stop reading because they don't want to read woke trash. Instead of just writing non-woke fantasy again they decide to try to guilt trip whites into reading woke fantasy (by calling them a racist or sexist or homophobe, etc. if they don't buy woke books) and hope that the blacks will come around eventually so they can make slightly more money in the end.

[Anonymous No.19917631]

>>19917618
fr fr

[Anonymous No.19917658]

How much of this shit is actually Canon?
Asking for a friend.
>inb4 /tv/
They wouldn't know

[Anonymous No.19917661]

>>19917658
actually pathetic
caring about canon that is

[Anonymous No.19917678]

>>19917618
for real

[Anonymous No.19917689]

>>19917658
It's based on a posthumous collection of stories that reads much like a history book. Now Amazon, that fucks up with everything they do, is trying to adapt a series from it. What the fuck do you think?

[Anonymous No.19917691]

>>19917661
What's the point of calling it "The Lord of the Rings", then? How's it different from any other shitty fan-fiction under the same name?

[Anonymous No.19917702]

>>19917691
I couldn't give less shit what the corpos are doing anon
it's time for some introspection and reflection if you're this obsessed with the canon of a fucking IP

[Anonymous No.19917704]

>>19917658
If it's anything like their Wheel of Time show it will be 5% stuff from published material and 95% fanfiction "written how the author would have written it if he were alive today"

[Anonymous No.19917707]

>>19917702
>Doesn't know what canon means.
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.19917720]

Fuck tolkien and fuck the lord of the rings, never in my life will I engage with any content attached to that soi franchise.

[Anonymous No.19917724]

>>19917720
you shouldn't engage with any franchise at all to be honest
that's for brainwashed cattle to fight over

[Anonymous No.19917730]

>>19917724
Reading a book that was adapted is not engaging in a franchise. They are separate works.

[Anonymous No.19917731]

>>19917730
sounds like cope

[Anonymous No.19917741]

I finished the licanius trilogy and was feeling meh but overall satisfied. I wanted to "move up" so I picked up the final empire and... is this supposed to be fucking good? Am I just not getting it? Why is this considered essential fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19917771]

>>19917731
Lord of the Rings films came out after the author's death. People enjoyed those books for like 50 years already. Same with Dune. Same with Wheel of Time. Foundation as well. The list goes on and on. Readers don't have to ever watch that shit. The Jews can't change the books. Imagine connecting your identity and opinion about books to their film/tv adaptations. It's the most smooth brain paradigm you can think of.

[Anonymous No.19917774]

>>19917771
k

[Anonymous No.19917781]

>>19917771
>Foundation as well
Foundation was always fucking trash

[Anonymous No.19917783]

>>19917771
>Same with Wheel of Time
You lost me there, pal.

[Anonymous No.19917788]

>>19917771
>people enjoyed those books
You lost me there, pal.

[Anonymous No.19917792]

>>19917771
>
You lost me there, pal.

[Anonymous No.19917794]

>>19917781
>>19917783
why should fans of those series have to base their opinion on them because of adaptations though?

[Anonymous No.19917796]

>>19917794
Idk I just think the foundation has always been horribly overrated.

[Anonymous No.19917797]

>>19917794
>replying to shitposters with poor reading comprehension
though I guess if none of us did this general would go straight to page 10

[Anonymous No.19917803]

>>19917797
poor reading comprehension =/= not caring enough to engage your point

[Anonymous No.19917820]

>>19917797
The most retarded post in the entire thread.

Bravo.

[Anonymous No.19917827]

>>19917794
When was I ever speaking about the TV series? The Wheel of Time was always shit. I don't know/care about foundation.

[Anonymous No.19917835]

>>19917827
>>19917720

[Anonymous No.19917837]

Answer me queers >>19915402

[Anonymous No.19917848]

>>19917837
fafhrd and gray mouser

[Anonymous No.19917874]

>>19917621
yea...covenant was on one of the rec charts for some reason but everyone is saying it sucks and after reading the first three it isn't that good

[Anonymous No.19917998]

So many closeted homosexuals who want to read about a muscly guy fighting skimpy.

[Anonymous No.19918004]

>>19917998
i'm openly homosexual

[Anonymous No.19918016]

>>19917998
Fighting skimpy what, anon?

[Anonymous No.19918019]

>>19917998
Bakker might be a current year sjw writer trying to push gay and cuck propaganda onto you, but that doesn't mean you can retroactively drag the greats down.

[Anonymous No.19918033]

Was it Painting the Mists or Path of the Thunderbird that had the pacifist MC?

[Anonymous No.19918068]

is it really too much to ask for authors to not write female protagonists?

[Anonymous No.19918078]

>>19918068
>is it really too much to ask for good* authors to not write female protagonists?
That's a non sequitur.

[Anonymous No.19918082]

>Want to buy the Silmarillion.
>Have to buy second hand to avoid giving 'The Estate' my money.
Is there a particular edition I should be looking out for?

[Anonymous No.19918085]

>>19918078
non sequitur deez nuts

[Anonymous No.19918097]

>>19918082
The estate had no control over rights to make the TV show

[Anonymous No.19918105]

>>19918085
NOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.19918107]

>>19918068
>Is it really too much to ask bad authors to be good instead?

[Anonymous No.19918112]

>>19918097
They're listed as an associated producer.

[Anonymous No.19918137]

>>19918016
Are you some esl fagget? Barely dressed and fighting with a sword you anal gaping buffoon

[Anonymous No.19918168]

>>19918137
The term would be 'skimpily', as in skimpily-clad. It's always a projecting ESL because you children cannot accept that you're in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.19918176]

We haven't had such a good /sffg/ in a while :)

[Anonymous No.19918180]

>>19918168
be nice to the americans, it isn't their fault their education system failed them.

[Anonymous No.19918187]

>>19918180
whose fault is it

[Anonymous No.19918188]

>Stormlight Archive
Prime Dalinar Kholin vs Kaladin Stormblessed, who wins?

[Anonymous No.19918252]

>>19918168
Fighting skimpy is perfectly acceptable, you one piece loving faggot. Why don't you post the bugger clown one you like to post, or the side head rubber faggot.

[Anonymous No.19918310]

>>19918188
This is not the anime general, buddy.

[Anonymous No.19918314]

>>19918252
Fighting skimpy is not fucking acceptable you fucking retard. It should really be
>scantily clad muscly guy fighting
I don't understand why you're so desperate to insinuate that it's gay anyway. Has single motherhood gotten so bad in america that men are starting to get female brains, so that they can't understand male friendship, or they can't understand getting strong unless it's for the purpose of looking attractive?

[Anonymous No.19918324]

>>19918314
You were posting anime marcos for years (I know who you are one piece fag), you're the last person to be judging what is straight and what is not.

[Anonymous No.19918335]

>>19918324
based "name him" fag

[Anonymous No.19918337]

>>19918324
Anyway, I'm the arbiter of what is and isn't straight and you need to get the fuck out of my thread.
ate bakker
ate sandersneed
ate chinks (not racist, they just can't write)
ate litrpg
love me conan
love me wolfe
love me science fiction un'all, sometimes
simple as

[Anonymous No.19918352]

>so mad you respond to the same person twice

[Anonymous No.19918354]

>he thinks those are the same anon

[Anonymous No.19918359]

>getting so mad that you can't write you start having a schizo meltdown

[Anonymous No.19918360]

>penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis

[Anonymous No.19918363]

>>19918354
turns out I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.19918365]

>>19918363
many such cases, dont sweat it

[Anonymous No.19918375]

>>19918352
>>19918354
>>19918359
>>19918360
>>19918363
>>19918365
qrd? I don't understand schizo.

[Anonymous No.19918380]

>>19918375
two anons were arguing
another anon came in
one of the anons misunderstood what the new anon said
shenanigans ensue

[Anonymous No.19918392]

>>19918380
A dance as old as 4chan itself.

[Anonymous No.19918399]

>>19918112
associated producer is a meme title

[Anonymous No.19918447]

Is attack on titan actually good? I can't stand anime/manga.

Just give me books for similar kino.

[Anonymous No.19918465]

>>19918447
I didn’t like anime either until I watched AoT, the first 4 episodes are infuriating but it turns into insurmountable kino afterwards

[Anonymous No.19918474]

>>19918447
Also I’d recommend you watch it immediately and stay off the internet until you finish it, spoilers are everywhere. The English dub concludes in 3 months if you think you can wait that long to watch it

[Anonymous No.19918484]

>>19918447
SnK was trash
>dropped it when the annie prison escape arc was going on
>relapsed and picked it up again later on, dropped it during the post-basement fight against monkey business
There is MUCH better manga out there.

[Anonymous No.19918506]

>>19918474
Case in point
>>19918484

[Anonymous No.19918514]

>>19915972
>>19915895
I enjoyed the six Dune books after Bakker. Now I am semi-enjoying A Canticle for Leibowitz. I bought the Gormenghast books which are next up after current book.

[Anonymous No.19918543]

On Goodreads, is there a way to see which books other people have read and enjoyed based on a 5 start rating that they gave to a specific book?

[Anonymous No.19918559]

is house of leaf considered fantasy?
I'm a retard and I'm always confused when it comes to genres if element of horror is involved

[Anonymous No.19918562]

>>19918543
No, there's only the the "those who have read this, have also enjoyed this" sidebar on the right.

[Anonymous No.19918578]

>>19918447
Assuming this isn't bait. SnK isn't good, but it's not bad. It's passable entertainment. Do you want some /lit/ manga recs?

[Anonymous No.19918579]

>>19918578
Why does everything have to be bait, you schizoid?

[Anonymous No.19918582]

>>19918579
You don't know the hell /a/ is these days...

[Anonymous No.19918658]

>>19918019
Every single act of gay sex and cuckolding in Bakker's works is presented as degrading, humiliating, often monstrous (like Sranc and their necrophilia). How is any of it a "propaganda" again? There isn't a single LGBT-pro moment I can think of in all seven novels. If Bakker wasn't a relative nobody he would've been cancelled for his portrayal of buggery, good guys owning slaves, or casual white supremacy of Ce Tydonnis

[Anonymous No.19918670]

>A characters wife offers herself to the invading army for sex for them to spare her husband
>After the invaders are defeated the main character tells the disgusted husband to take her back and thank her.
i hate western authors

[Anonymous No.19918676]

>>19918670
So the invading army refuses to cuck the husband?

[Anonymous No.19918678]

>>19918658
Are you expecting low IQs to understand nuanced critique?

[Anonymous No.19918686]

>>19918676
nah she becomes a prostitute for them and then she crawls back to the husband and he is disgusted at her but one of the mcs lectures the husband on her being too good for him so the husband realises his mistake and takes her back.
Honestly this made my skin crawl

[Anonymous No.19918691]

>>19918670
I liked when the boy got buggered by his bullies so much that he turned into a faggot.

[Anonymous No.19918696]

>>19918686
Holy shit. Like if the wife was raped and the husband abandoned her I would kind of get it. But that's just fucked. Er, cucked...

[Anonymous No.19918709]

>>19918686
I know right. After the chinks invade your country and use your supple boi-pussy, and dump you one side, your family shouldn't accept you back, as you are now a faggot, and might want them to bugger you.

[Anonymous No.19918712]

>>19918670
I don't even know where to start with this one, assuming that what you're saying is even true, considering how non-sensical it is.

The premise is already wrong for the simple fact that that no invading army would have any obligation to concede any favors whatsoever.
It's rather remarkable to see mediocre authors attempt to create non realistic scenarios just to create shock value and add obscene content to their stories.

I was never going to read this, but thank you for reminding me.

[Anonymous No.19918715]

>>19918670
I remember reading this authors other series the lightbringer one with the magic light powers.
I dropped it after the protag abandoned his cute virgin slave girl waifu he was into to get with some rich girl who had sex with his grandpa.
this author definitely has a used goods fetish

[Anonymous No.19918721]

>>19918715
don't forget the entire subplot that revolved around a girl having vaginismus, even had an entire foreword or some shit about the disability

[Anonymous No.19918727]

>>19918715
>>19918721
Bullshit like this makes me a lot more confident in my own writing.

[Anonymous No.19918734]

>And you people criticize Bakke's sexual content when so much more degenerate shit like this already exists on the market already.

The author's job is to make me believe that the world and its characters are real.
Everything else is noise.

[Anonymous No.19918739]

>>19918734
>its not THAT bad!
cope

[Anonymous No.19918747]

>>19918739
>Reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.19918757]

>>19918747
Sorry, let me make it easier for you to comprehend
>when you compare it to worse things, its not so bad!
cope

[Anonymous No.19918762]

>>19918757
>worse
Learn to write ESLet. You clearly can't read too.

[Anonymous No.19918764]

>>19918762
>deflecting
cope

[Anonymous No.19918765]

can we rangeban americans?

[Anonymous No.19918769]

>>19918764
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.19918770]

>>19918765
You’re a janny so why don’t you ask your boss

[Anonymous No.19918772]

>>19918769
>Reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.19918779]

>cope

[Anonymous No.19918780]

Mods are asleep!
Post the cover to the book you're currently reading!

[Anonymous No.19918781]

>>19918779
cope

[Anonymous No.19918784]

>>19918779
You are good at self portraits anon, keep it up

[Anonymous No.19918785]

>>19918715
The cute slave girl was a snake though. The tight pussy rich girl was a better girl for him.

[Anonymous No.19918813]

>>19918785
I agree because kip was an absolute retarded loser. Like every single one of Week's characters

[Anonymous No.19918833]

>>19918785
Please keep making more of these

[Anonymous No.19918868]

>>19918658
> Every single act of gay sex and cuckolding in Bakker's works is presented as degrading, humiliating, often monstrous (like Sranc and their necrophilia).
False.

> The Scarlet Spires encourage liaisons between members of their most elite formations. His lover reported him to his superiors.

> "In Zeum it is thought holy for the strong to embrace the strong"
> "When our wives are quick with children, warriors turn to one another, so that we may fight as lovers upon the field"
> "One need not think, dying for one's lover"

Also:
- Cnaiur's relatively "wholesome" attraction to Proyas
- Esmenet and Serwe's hinted-at intimacies

Of course, nothing is pure and good in Bakker's world, but these bits are not meant to repel the reader.

[Anonymous No.19918873]

>Weeks
>Bakker
>Rothfuss
Are these the quintessential cuckold fantasy writers?

[Anonymous No.19918890]

>>19918868
>New IP
>Things that literally never happened
This is not how you false-flag, pal.

[Anonymous No.19918898]

>>19918868
>Ainoni
>not meant to repel
They're the most degenerate part of Three Seas: drug abuse, sissy men in makeup, entire culture built on rejection of reality, kinda reminds you of a certain real country

[Anonymous No.19918899]

>>19918833
Don't have the drive anymore. And the general is no longer a shared meme. It's just "there is a head on a pole behind" now.

[Anonymous No.19918918]

>>19918890
All of those things happened. I know Bakker better than you. Which is not saying much because you probably never even read him, you actual false flagger.

>>19918898
> They're the most degenerate part of Three Seas: drug abuse, sissy men in makeup, entire culture built on rejection of reality, kinda reminds you of a certain real country
But Bakker doesn't condemn this stuff in real life. He did a lot of drugs in his time (which is why he's so good at writing about them), and supports gay rights like any liberal.

[Anonymous No.19918928]

>>19918918
>I know Bakker better than you

[Anonymous No.19918936]

>>19918918
"How to not false-flag", the post.

[Anonymous No.19918952]

>>19918918
>Just sayin'
Go suck Trudeu's cock while listening to ScHoolboy Q on an Avengers premier.

[Anonymous No.19918966]

Some of you don't get that Bakker is actually serious about "depiction is not endorsement".

[Anonymous No.19918986]

>>19918952
This is peak cringe.

[Anonymous No.19919033]

>>19918952
Are they mad because Bakker's editors didn't make the book trigger friendly?
If you passed book one, how can you complain about the sick shit in unholy consult?

Are these the type of faggets that want people to move goalposts or edit already finished works to suite them?

I wonder what triggered them

[Anonymous No.19919038]

>>19919033
Nice deflection, cuck.

You're a shit editor. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19919041]

>>19918966
Cultural subversion does not often take the form of endorsement.

[Anonymous No.19919049]

>>19918952
>>19919038
No wonder that last two books read like shit compared to the previous ones. They couldn't even proof read it correctly, much less edit it properly.

It's Bakker's fault for handing out his manuscripts to these amateurs.

[Anonymous No.19919050]

>>19919038
Who are you responding to, fagget?
I last read bakker years ago, and since he was dropped by his publisher, he isn't going to finish the series, so I don't read anything by him anymore.

[Anonymous No.19919056]

>>19919050
why was he dropped by his publisher?

[Anonymous No.19919062]

>>19919056
Poor sales due to shit editors.

[Anonymous No.19919063]

I can only focus on reading if I have this on
https://youtu.be/h2zkV-l_TbY

[Anonymous No.19919065]

>>19919062
The publisher didn't force their choice editors onto him?

[Anonymous No.19919066]

>>19918873
Tad Williams

[Anonymous No.19919075]

>>19919065
Clearly not. As seen by >>19918952

[Anonymous No.19919082]

>>19917658
0%

[Anonymous No.19919083]

>>19919050
>>19918918
>I know Bakker better than you.

Fuck off larper.

[Anonymous No.19919099]

>>19919063
Too busy for my taste.

>>19919065
The first trilogy was edited by, what I would unironically assume, a real professional editor.

No typos, no amateur slip ups, no unnecessary fodder etc... The Aspect Emperor Series, on the other hand, was filled with those things. Thing's I've noticed on the first readthrough.

[Anonymous No.19919196]

I am trading the books of The Elder Scrolls, the stories that you find in the games. Which ones do you recommend? I lol'd at one where a N*rd explained that he knew how to write and read, to the surprise of everyone

[Anonymous No.19919219]

>>19918780
Been stuck 75% through for a few days due to life, but planning to read the sequels although I may cleanse my palate with that medieval French book an anon gas been shilling

[Anonymous No.19919221]

>>19918670
nothing Brent Weeks writes will ever be worth reading

[Anonymous No.19919232]

>>19919221
qrd on the man whose last name is literally weak

[Anonymous No.19919248]

>>19919232
he's kind of ok at doing the initial world building but everything else like the plot, characters, dialogue is utterly shit. you honestly have to wonder why he's allowed to be published

[Anonymous No.19919258]

>>19919196
trading?

[Anonymous No.19919532]

[Anonymous No.19919537]

>>19919532
gee bill, two heinlein books?

[Anonymous No.19919555]

Anasurimbor Kellhus is a pro-liberal ally king we all need

>not racist
>accepts all sexualities
>married a woman with "history" doesnt care about chuds and their opinions
>united the continent in a globalized society, one race, the human race
>feminist and pro-queer, absolved women and sorcerers of all sins

[Anonymous No.19919571]

>>19919555
sounds gay

[Anonymous No.19919578]

>>19919555
is it really that bad? or are you exaggerating for comedic effect. im seriously asking.

[Anonymous No.19919655]

>>19919578
It's worse. Most of the book is these two guys fighting over a literal used goods prostitute.

[Anonymous No.19919676]

>>19919655
I was going to ask how it got popular enough to get so much chatter here, but then I realized. Y'all can't help yourselves can you?

[Anonymous No.19919689]

>>19919555
>Anasurimbor
reminds me too much of Anamandor
I don't read this but was Kellhus as much of a Gary Stu as Rake was?

[Anonymous No.19919701]

>>19919689
Kellhus is a monster.

[Anonymous No.19919705]

>>19919676
>Y'all
Go back

[Anonymous No.19919710]

>>19919705
Where

[Anonymous No.19919717]

>>19919705
Where should he go, newfriend?

[Anonymous No.19919734]

>>19919717
Honestly I'm surprised it was the 'Y'all' that got to him and not the pic.

[Anonymous No.19919739]

>>19918670
>The horrors of the American scene I will pass over, though they have given me great distress and labour. (They arise in an entirely different mental climate and soil, polluted and impoverished to a degree only paralleled by the lunatic destruction of the physical lands which Americans inhabit.)

[Anonymous No.19919760]

>>19919219
That book is shit.
I can't believe I read so much books of nothing.

[Anonymous No.19919772]

>>19919578
>>19919676
in case you're asking seriously anon was making a funny, Kellhus is one of the most inhuman characters in fiction

[Anonymous No.19919777]

>>19919760
>I can't believe I read so much books of nothing.
>Not being selective on his reads

[Anonymous No.19919779]

>>19919772
>im seriously asking
>in case you're asking seriously
anon please

[Anonymous No.19919791]

Did the schizos finally leave?

This general looks normal again.

[Anonymous No.19919798]

>>19919777
I read it years ago (2011 to be exact), and I didn't know shit about it. The general wasn't a thing then, and I thought it would be a story about a guy who made magic with poetry. It's about a fucking emo golem that doesn't want to listen to daddy (master). Fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.19919803]

>>19919798
cringe

[Anonymous No.19919845]

[Anonymous No.19919859]

>>19919845
why are the redditors guide to the galaxy and (((foundation))) so high up

[Anonymous No.19919917]

Make a new thread.

[Anonymous No.19919929]

Make a new thread tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.19919931]

>>19919917
Maybe when my penis cries.

[Anonymous No.19919971]

>>19919845
Is on stranger tides what they stole the idea for Pirates of the Caribbean from?

[Anonymous No.19919972]

>>19919859
I don't mind them being so high. What I cannot fucking abide is narnia being in the same tier as harpy potter, and below foundation.

[Anonymous No.19919986]

>>19919972
narnia is shit though.

[Anonymous No.19920008]

>>19919986
This is the part where I shit in your cereal.

[Anonymous No.19920010]

>>19920005
FRESH
>>19920005
FRESH
>>19920005

[Anonymous No.19920029]

When the fuck is e william brown going to publish a fucking book?

[Anonymous No.19920285]

>>19919798
That's a weird takeaway for sure.

[Anonymous No.19921254]

>>19915959
Who?