/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19895958]

Who was the most based?

[Anonymous No.19895962]

>>19895958
They all sound cringe. Life is amazing.

[Anonymous No.19895965]

>>19895958
Epicurus

[Anonymous No.19895966]

>>19895958
They're all saying the same thing. And they're not wrong.

[Anonymous No.19895975]

>Life is le BAD

[Anonymous No.19896026]

>>19895966
They are wrong, they’re degenerate’s sour on the facts of life. They’re bawling over the inevitable changes that come with life.

[Anonymous No.19896065]

>>19895962
t.Ignorant asshole.

[Anonymous No.19896074]

>>19895958
Who are these people? Can you name them, please?

[Anonymous No.19896075]

>>19896065
Just say “normie”, asshole.

[Anonymous No.19896087]

>>19896074
Top to bottom: Leopardi, Schopenhauer, Mainlander, No idea.

[Anonymous No.19896098]

>>19896065
t. Soulless doomer bug

[Anonymous No.19896100]

>>19895958
lol, isn't the last guy an obscure contemporary German writer?

[Anonymous No.19896184]

but when I say it i'm accused of perpetuating a death cult

[Anonymous No.19896273]

>>19896100
He’s that guy who shot Treyvon. He got a mustache now.

[Anonymous No.19896305]

>>19896100
He is, but his views are so extreme that I sometimes wonder why he simply doesn't kill himself.

[Anonymous No.19896348]

Keijo Kangur is an author from Estonia who has written poetry, film and video game reviews, historical and philosophical articles, short stories, a travelogue, and a novel. He writes in both Estonian and English.

Coming from a working-class background, he has worked as a telemarketer, in construction, at a warehouse, at a pizza parlor, as a postal sorter, at call centers, as a data entry clerk, for an airline, and as an anti-money laundering investigator.

Although he has never been to college, he has spent years studying philosophy, science, and literature. From his studies and life experience he has developed views which may be compared to those expressed by Rust Cohle in the TV series True Detective. Above all, he considers himself an antinatalist.

His favorite fiction is the kind that is based on the author’s own life and focuses on the darker side of existence. His own works likewise draw strongly from his real-life experiences and revolve around the darker aspects of being.

Despite all this, he does possess a sense of humor and tries not to take himself too seriously all the time.

[Anonymous No.19896349]

top two are good, bottom two are embarrassing

[Anonymous No.19896355]

>>19896348
>antinatalist
Ah, another hypocrite. Nice.

[Anonymous No.19896357]

>>19895958
All cringe. Life is good. The Greeks knew this

[Anonymous No.19896365]

>>19896087
Mainlander is the coolest last name

[Anonymous No.19896406]

>>19896357
>The Greeks knew this

[Anonymous No.19896440]

>>19896406
>died at 92

[Anonymous No.19896445]

>>19896406
Sophocles did not say that, it was a fictional character in one of his plays.

[Anonymous No.19896562]

>>19895965
Epictetus.

[Anonymous No.19896629]

>>19896445
Was it Oedipus?

[Anonymous No.19897161]

>>19896357

[Anonymous No.19897195]

>>19895958
If none of them committed suicide you know they're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.19897200]

>>19895958
Disturbance and bitter episodes coexist with sweet and peaceful experiences. None of them is based.

[Anonymous No.19897213]

>>19895966
They are dead men walking, animated corpses void of life and vitality.

[Anonymous No.19897215]

>>19895975
>Life is ...le GOOD!
>proceeds to bitchwhine anyway

[Anonymous No.19897251]

>>19897215
Honest question, why not just kill yourself?

I'm not saying you should, I'd just like to know your reasons to continue something that's so bad.

[Anonymous No.19897330]

>>19895958
It’s not based to be depressed all the time or to relate to their suffering. If you think that’s cool your a faggot.

Also >>19897195 is right. They’re just constant complainers at that point

[Anonymous No.19897338]

>>19897215
> Life is...le BAD!
> Death is..le GOOD!
> Proceeds NOT to khs.
Cringe. No one ever said life was perfect.

[Anonymous No.19897339]

>>19896365
Probably because he made it for himself. His birth surname name is Batz. Nowhere near as cool.

[Anonymous No.19897345]

>>19897195
Mainländer did indeed kill himself.

[Anonymous No.19897354]

>>19895958
I know the top two are Leopardi and Schopenhauer, but who are the bottom two?

[Anonymous No.19897385]

>>19897354
>>19896074
>>19896087
Last one is George Zimmerman

[Anonymous No.19897402]

>>19897345
That at least I can respect

[Anonymous No.19897436]

>>19897339
lol. Reminds me that Mishima was called Hiraoka Kimitake.

[Anonymous No.19897468]

>>19895958
Kierkegaard

[Anonymous No.19897844]

>>19897436
Making a name for yourself (literally) is pretty based but should be reserved for special cases. Otherwise there'd be teenagers calling themselves "Darkness Sufferson" or "Dick McBig" as soon as they turn 18 if the practice were normalised.

[Anonymous No.19898115]

what's going on with that schop drawing

[Anonymous No.19898153]

>>19897338
>>19897251
>>19897195
>>19896355
You can be an antinatalist and still be afraid of death. It's not a contradiction. "Dying" and "not being born" are two different things.

[Anonymous No.19898218]

>>19895958
Who's the bottom guy?

[Anonymous No.19898219]

>>19895958
Who is the guy at the bottom he right

[Anonymous No.19898789]

>>19898153
Honestly, because people kill themselves all the time. If you say life is fundamentally terrible , and not one of the other arguments for antinatalism like the consent one, you should probably just kill yourself.


This whole "oh bo bo the survival instinct" is just a cope.

[Anonymous No.19898846]

>>19898789
What really keeps people from death is pain and the fear of pain. That's why the idea of punishment in the afterlife is so powerful; an eternity (or at least another lifetime) of pain more than already exists in this life can motivate one to not do "bad" in the same way getting burned motivates you to not touch hot things.

[Anonymous No.19898873]

>>19898846
a lot of pessimists say this but it's total bullshit. People kill themselves all the time, if you really believe that life is fundamentally terrible (or in the case of the last guy we should all nuke ourselves) you should kill yourself.

It's not "that" scary.

[Anonymous No.19898936]

>>19898873
Those that go through with suicide make the calculation that there's nothing left to distract them and their misery can't get much worse so it's worth it to gamble and bet that there's nothing on the other side.
Pain also stops people from killing themselves by mistake/realise something is killing them, mind you, so it's still true.
I don't think that all pessimists argue that life is fundamentally bad (although some would). The argument is more that life isn't that good and there's no point putting it up on a pedestal. Death sets things at peace in contrast to the tumult of life.

[Anonymous No.19898950]

Why does anyone take these histrionic proto-Linkin Park whiners seriously again?

[Anonymous No.19898959]

>>19895958
pessimists will never preach post-pessimism or pessimistic skepticism yet the only reason they haven't committed the needful is because they believe those two thought experiments as valid so some degree

[Anonymous No.19898960]

>>19898936
You think the guy adovcating that we should all nuke ourselves is that scared of an afterlife?

How are you sure an afterlife is worse? But again this isn't a counterargument. These people aren't saying life CAN not be worth living, they're saying it IS not worth living for everyone.

>I don't think that all pessimists argue that life is fundamentally bad (although some would). The argument is more that life isn't that good and there's no point putting it up on a pedestal. Death sets things at peace in contrast to the tumult of life.

They literally all argue that that's literally the definition.

[Anonymous No.19899044]

>>19898960
Life is... le bad isn't the argument. It is not the defintion. It's that life isn't ... le meaningful. There's no intrinsic value to life, no purpose. being alive is just some state that we've given a distinction like being warm or being wet. Is there a meaning to warmth or wetness? Is it more valuable to be warm than cold, or to be wet than dry? Is there some deeper purpose in being a man, a bird, a tree, or an amoeba compared to being a pool of water, a bolt of lightning, or a rock floating through space? The pessimist argues no.

[Anonymous No.19899055]

>>19899044
What the fuck are you talking about.

The guy arguing that we should all fucking nuke ourselves is certainly arguing that life is le bad.

Same with Bentar, he's arguing that life is simply bad.

>The pessimist argues no.
This is wrong, the pessiment argues that there is still meaning. It's just negative, he's arguing that life has negative value and should have never happened.

[Anonymous No.19899074]

>>19896100
Ulricht Horstmann

[Anonymous No.19899089]

>>19896026
>>19897213
Based Nietzscheans shitting on slaves.

[Anonymous No.19899096]

>>19895962
>Life is amazing.

[Anonymous No.19899099]

>>19898789
If you really believe in the metaphysical and that this life doesn't matter because you get to eat roast beef and mashed potatoes at the right hand of the lord forever when you die, then there is no reason you shouldn't kill yourself immediately upon learning this "fact".

Balls in your court metaphysics-fags.

[Anonymous No.19899134]

>>19899099
Because I’m not religious? Like this isn’t all or nothing; you’re either a whining pessimist or a religious nut.

But the answer to that is presumably if god put us here the true ethical system isn’t utilitarianism

[Anonymous No.19899140]

>>19899096
>you

[Anonymous No.19899144]

>>19898873
What if I think that life is terrible, but dying is even more terrible?

[Anonymous No.19899148]

>>19899144
Because unless you have good reason to believe in something like hell dying isn’t that bad.

If you think nonexsistence is terrible you should try to have as many kids as possible so they don’t have to be in that state

[Anonymous No.19899158]

>>19899148
The process of dying is scary and uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.19899175]

>>19899158
I mean it being a bit scary doesn’t mean it’s terrible, especially if you think it’s simply non exsistence and life itself is terrible.

I’ve been inches away from death before, it really weren’t so bad

[Anonymous No.19899180]

>>19899175
I guess you're right.

[Anonymous No.19899189]

>>19899180
I don’t think you should kill yourself, please try reading people other than the ones who already agree with your depressive state.

[Anonymous No.19899209]

>>19897161
And he's saying that you can't truly judge a man's happiness until his life is spent, because happiness can be fleeting. One can't be judge as being truly happy at any given moment because at any given moment that could change. In deaths, ones life can truly be assessed. Posting quotes like this out of context is disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.19899220]

>>19899055
>The guy arguing that we should all fucking nuke ourselves is certainly arguing that life is le bad.
Not all pessimists are arguing this. Why would we even do it? We're all going to die sooner or later, there's no point.
If it was "good" to exterminate all life that would mean that life does have a purpose and that is to die. It's rubbish.
>Bentar, he's arguing that
One moralizing brainlet doesn't represent an entire school of thought.
Pessimism isn't anti-life necessarily, it's anti-pro-life.

[Anonymous No.19899244]

>>19899220
You’re not arguing for pessimism. Pessimism in this context prescribers a negative value to life. You’re describing something more akin to simple nihilism.


Pessimists argue that life has negative value, nihilists argue that life has no value or simply they value doesn’t exist.

[Anonymous No.19899250]

>>19898153
Hating life is absurd, if life's awful remember it's YOUR life and it is on YOUR hands to improve it, claiming life is bad just translates to "I'm not good living it".
Now, since that would be too rough for people to say I think that what they mean is "reality is bad/tough", which is equally if not more absurd. Imagine listening to a guy say: "Bro, I hate the Earth, it has way too much water and too less mountains." You'd probably think he's either retarded or delusional, nobody gets to chose the world and there is no way of changing that, and the same applies to reality, it's common for social parasites to expect society or reality to change for their comfort, but truth doesn't care about you. You might dislike that the sky is blue but distracting yourself with such thoughts only hurts you, and no one else.

[Anonymous No.19899273]

>>19896562
He’s alright, but not most based.

>>19897161
Haha. No wonder no one cares about Solon anymore

[Anonymous No.19900296]

>>19895958
All of them. Extremely based

[Anonymous No.19900305]

>>19895958
Wagner.

>THE theory of a degeneration of the human race, however much opposed it seem to Constant Progress, is yet the only one that, upon serious reflection, can afford us any solid hope. The so-called "Pessimistic" school of thought would thus be justified in nothing but its verdict on historic man; and that must needs be vastly modified, were the natural attributes of pre-historic man so clearly ascertained that we could argue to a later degeneration not unconditionally inherent in his nature. If, that is, we found proofs that this degeneration had been caused by overpowering outward influences, against which pre-historic man could not defend himself through inexperience, then the hitherto accepted history of the human race would rank for us as the painful period of evolution of its consciousness, in order that the knowledge thus acquired might be applied to combating those harmful influences.

[Anonymous No.19900330]

pessimism is the most appealing philosophy to me. Not everyone gets it, they see negative value in everything which is still value, they get confused with nihilists who see no value in anything.
People also hate pessmissts for telling the truth. One guy i found named Georgescu-Roegen argues for something called entropy pessimism, basically,

>Georgescu-Roegen argues that economic scarcity is rooted in physical reality; that all natural resources are irreversibly degraded when put to use in economic activity; that the carrying capacity of earth – that is, earth's capacity to sustain human populations and consumption levels – is bound to decrease some time in the future as earth's finite stock of mineral resources is being extracted and put to use; and consequently, that the world economy as a whole is heading towards an inevitable future collapse, ultimately bringing about human extinction.

[Anonymous No.19900629]

>>19899099
Killing yourself will deny you roast beef and mashed potatoes because suicide is as sinful as murder.

[Anonymous No.19900639]

Life is shit but it's not so shit that it warrants me killing myself yet. I'm also not a physicalist so I don't think death would liberate me from existence.

[Anonymous No.19900679]

We have our day. Is bread nothing? Is wine nothing? Why cannot we be satisfied with the fair flesh of women, the wonder of their incomparable bodies, the beauty of their looks, the sweet clemency of their love? The soul of life lies embedded in what is transitory. The very nature of beauty is ephemeral. To deny this is to deny the high destiny that is the ancient heritage of mortals. In a few flashing moments that are his, it is possible for a man to glimpse immortality, the only immortality he will ever know, in the presentation of what is, in its essence, perishing.

Life is a spectacle deep and sorrowful and very tender. In the hour of death we receive instruction. When the head of the one we love lies low, with our despair comes revelation. Then are we cradled in the arms of life. Her ways are swift ways, her breath at the end is the breath of a great assuagement. From dust we rose, from dust we were swept into phantom figures. We have known love, we have known vanishing beauty, its anguish, its haunting ecstasy. Cannot that suffice?

Why must we forever strive in an unequal contest against laws inherent in nature? Our carnival-day is now... Our pellets of corn are on our platters. Must we never be tired of raising our necks to call more, more, like farmyard geese? Life is but a shifting floor. Tragedy, yes, and dark misery come forward and recede, intermingling their steps with light dances of joy and gladness. Though death cancels, though time obliterates, we have had experience of the eternal delirium. We have seen the sun. We have seen the moon. We have come out from a great darkness and looked upon a great light. How can we forswear our inestimable privilege?

[Anonymous No.19900946]

>>19900679
No.

[Anonymous No.19900972]

>>19899096
>what a loser.
Get a life.

[Anonymous No.19900978]

>>19900330
Must suck to be most of you guys. I enjoy life.

[Anonymous No.19902041]

>>19900978
>I enjoy life.
Life is suffering, it's not meant to be enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.19902063]

>>19895958
Wtf is wrong with these retards? I don't want to die.

[Anonymous No.19903131]

>>19899134
>But the answer to that is presumably if god put us here the true ethical system isn’t utilitarianism
But why? Why is it that pessimists/anti-natalists should just kill themselves if they think life sucks, but the religious nuts get a special position where they can't be asked why they don't carry out the logical outcome of their beliefs if they were really honest with them.

You cannot logically justify creating more human lives or continuing your own, if you have real faith that there is a hereafter or a metaphysical world that is more important than the real world.

It's why religionfags like pessimists/anti-natalists are not really totally genuine in their beliefs.

Which is doubly ironic too considering it's supposedly only the really 'true' believers who have absolute unquestioning faith, who get to go to heaven.

[Anonymous No.19903186]

>>19903131
>But why? Why is it that pessimists/anti-natalists should just kill themselves if they think life sucks, but the religious nuts get a special position where they can't be asked why they don't carry out the logical outcome of their beliefs if they were really honest with them.

Because their religion says they go to hell if they kill themselves retard.

>You cannot logically justify creating more human lives or continuing your own, if you have real faith that there is a hereafter or a metaphysical world that is more important than the real world.

Yes you can dumbass because God says so. This doesn't even make sense logically even barring that, why wouldn't you be justified in creating more people?

[Anonymous No.19903215]

>>19900679
based and knowing

[Anonymous No.19903325]

>>19902063
You will die regardless, normalfag

[Anonymous No.19903336]

>>19903325
So why haven't you killed yourself?

[Anonymous No.19903573]

Eduard von Hartmann. He wanted to blow up the whole universe to prevent consciousness from ever emerging again

[Anonymous No.19903620]

>>19895958
Neitzsche because he believed you'll be back again and again and again and again and again and again and there is no end to the suffering. Thinking it can just end is pure cope. That would be way too fucking easy.

[Anonymous No.19905047]

>>19895962
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.19905050]

>>19895962
This.
Only losers are defeatist cucks.

[Anonymous No.19905066]

>I enjoy life
Holy cope lmao

[Anonymous No.19905160]

>>19905066
>I don't enjoy life
>But I won't kil myself

Cope