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>One of the best adaptations of Nietzsche's philosophy in fiction comes from a comic book
Based japs

>> No.19879678

>>19879670
Has nothing to do with Nietzsche. Go read a book.

>> No.19879704

>>19879678
Fpbp, op is a pseud and should get beat up. He will never amount to anything in life.

>> No.19879716

If you’re talking about his philosophy about the apollinian and the dionysian, I can somewhat agree. Hermann Hesse’s Narcissus and Goldmund should also be put on that list then.

>> No.19879741

>>19879670
Yeah, I really got this sense reading the Golden Age arc. Griffith seems presented as an übermensch at first but it's really Guts that struggles against the world making his own meaning and triumphing in the face of tragedy. Conviction arc still had something to say about this but it all goes to shit after that when Miura decides he just wants to write a generic fantasy story.

>> No.19879787

>>19879678
not OP, and i haven't read berserk, but i think this proves you wrong: https://youtu.be/zxTwYdYzw8c
the uploader has a master's degree in philosophy specialized in nietzsche. i have read nietzsche myself and it seems solid
i recommend being more open minded

>> No.19879802

>>19879787
>implying youtube personality knows more about philosophy than anon
Are you sane?

>> No.19879997

>>19879802
>Implying anon has read more than the wikipedia article on any philosopher.
Just where do you think we are?

>> No.19880032

>>19879670
I always cringe at weebs who have never read literature delude themselves into thinking anime/manga is somehow the highest form of art. Berserk is middlebrow at best.

>> No.19880053

>>19879787
Cool video, too bad that guy is some cringe marxist whose almost every video amounts to capitalism bad.

>> No.19880067

>>19879670
I want to hold Nietzsche's sister.

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>>19879670
Whoops, you posted the wrong picture. Allow me to correct you.

>> No.19880149

>>19879787
This guy is a pseud:
https://youtu.be/ZcEZbpzn9Ls

>muh nietzsche
>muh marx
pissant

>> No.19880178

>>19880053
>>19880149
>nooooo you can't read Marx
back to /pol/ you virgin

>> No.19880203

>>19880178
Cope.

>> No.19880329

>>19880112
Based

>> No.19880388

>>19879704
Seconded.

>> No.19880397

>>19880178
>you virgin
Some strong projection.

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>>19879787
>cuck philosophy

>>19879670
>every religious person is either an obsessive coward or hypocritical sadist
Bravo, such Nietzscheanism!

>> No.19880421

>>19880203
NTA who's really coping? Probably you that he can read nietzsche and marx and know what he's talking about. Is saying cope just a defense mechanism when you have nothing else to say?

>> No.19880465

>>19880421
>Yes my favorite books I've read in 2020 are.... Marx's aesthetic theory

>> No.19880637

>>19879670
Based
Too bad /lit/ faggots will pretend the 9th art isnt true art

>> No.19881445

>>19879670
The Japanese are literally unable to explore themes with depth. Culturally speaking they've always been obsessed with aesthetics and this let them achieve incredible things before they lost WWII, but they are fundamentally incapable of depth. For this - historically speaking - you have to look at the Chinese. The Japanese took Chinese thought and Chinese concepts and made them as beautiful as possible but in doing so they annihilated every chance they had at depth. This was unironically great but Westernization fucked them up really badly. The entire output of post-war Japan has been to plagiarize a Western piece of media at surface level and force sex in it.

>> No.19881474

>>19879670
I always saw Berserk as more Gnostic fiction.

>> No.19881479

>>19880403
Was mozgus hypocritical? He was psychotic and sadistic but his faith never wavered, even as he was about to die

>> No.19881501

>>19880112
Based. Should I watch it or read it anon?

>> No.19881510
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19881510

This is a more based version of Berserk's Conviction Arc and actually /lit/.

>> No.19881514

>>19881474
I always saw Berserk as a shonen with gore and rape

>> No.19881543

>>19879670
Embarrassing. The best books with Nietzschean themes are things like Thomas Mann, Andre Gide, DH Lawrence, Mishima etc. not this juvenile claptrap…! Admittedly Berserk is full of potent images and incredible art, but Nietzschean? No…!

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>>19879670
Yeah and it's unironically called Yugioh. Don't know why you're posting Berserk.

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>>19881560

>> No.19881591

>>19881474
This. It fits almost perfectly.

>> No.19881613

>>19880178
That's not what he said, rat.
There's a difference between reading Marx and being a Marxist. Anyone who reads Marx and thinks he has good ideas is some form of ignorant twat... usually a child, an ivory tower elite, or a nut.

>> No.19881645

>>19881613
>Anyone who reads Marx and thinks he has good ideas is some form of ignorant twat... usually a child, an ivory tower elite, or a nut.
Mussolini

>> No.19881662

>>19881645
Was a nut, yes.

>> No.19881824
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>>19879678
>Has nothing to do with Nietzsche
Sure it doesn't.

>> No.19881837

>>19881445
>The entire output of post-war Japan has been to plagiarize a Western piece of media at surface level and force sex in it.
Based Nips.

>> No.19881848

>>19881824
>Will to Power
So you're confirming it has nothing to do with Nietzsche.

>> No.19881898
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>>19881848
Don't make me dump the whole folder.

>> No.19881966

>>19881501
Read the manga, only watch for the OST.

>> No.19881985

>>19881445
I think its sad that so many Japanese manga authors copied stuff from us but now we are copying everything from them

>> No.19881994

>>19881445
>The entire output of post-war Japan has been to plagiarize a Western piece of media at surface level and force sex in it.
Accurate wtf

>> No.19882014

>>19879670
Berserk is trash

>> No.19882136

>>19881898
Putting Neech quotes below panels from Berserk doesn't mean they're related.

>> No.19882166

>>19882136
Entire sections of Thus Spoke Zarathustra have lines that match scenes from the Golden Age though. Also, the "he who fights with monsters" quote gets dropped mid-series.

>> No.19882208

>>19879670
It's based on Götz von Berlichingen not Nietzsche, also please read a book before posting on lit.

>> No.19882273

>>19879670
nothing to do with Nietzsche, Guts entire philosophy is that no matter the suffering and hardship, he keep going, not for the good of the world, but for the good of those he loves.

>> No.19882570

>>19882166
>>19882208
>>19882273
Guts is heavily influenced by Germanic history and motifs. It wouldn't surprise me if Nietzsche was an inspiration. The religious iconography and feudal society is very Teutonic, the bleak imagery paired with the questionable sanity/blurred lines of reality and imagined hallucination are drawn from German Expressionism, and the backdrop of a land exhausted by war reminds me of artistic depictions of the 30 Years' War.

>> No.19882578

>>19882570
*are very Teutonic, should've proofread that before posting.

>> No.19883151

>>19879670
>Nietzsche's philosophy
Literally how.

>> No.19883172

>>19882166
I'm pretty sure my grandma has heard of the he who fights with monsters line. It's a cliche in every media.

>> No.19883175

>>19879787
>the uploader has a master's degree in philosophy specialized in nietzsche
This is supposed to make me want to watch the video?

>> No.19883430

>>19882166
>So how did you weave NITZU into Berserku?
>Ah, yes, NITZU. I was told he is the deepest philosopher
>So desu neee!
>I didn't understand a thing but i made a few references to the popular quotes
>Owaaa...
>I thought that when the otaku sees the quotes in from the deepest philosopheru, he must think "this manga must be at least as deep as NITZU"
>uwah, genius!
>turns out it worked [raughs]
>[everyone raughs]

>> No.19883445

>>19882570
Berserk is heavily influenced by Western media the author was copying that year. E.g. the evil gods are literally copied from the cenobites of Hellraiser which came out like the year before Berserk started publishing. He probably watched that and some other movie and made a crappy manga, shoved some rape and ultraviolence in it for shock value and voila, another waste of paper shonen, oops I mean "seinen", it's for big boys because there's le edge

>> No.19883453

Griffith did nothing wrong.

>> No.19883465

>>19880403
>>every religious person is either an obsessive coward or hypocritical sadist
>Bravo, such Nietzscheanism!
ya so slavemorality amirite?

>> No.19883828

>>19879741
Griffith struggled just as much as Gust in order to get what he wanted, the difference being that Griffith ultimately rejected his humanity, and thus his struggle.>>19879741

>> No.19883835

>>19883172
>>19883430
And what about sections like The Night Song and On the Friend almost perfectly describing Griffith's character development during Golden Age? Even if Miura didn't read it, Berserk reflects what is written there.

>> No.19883844

>>19879787
Wow that youtube one was actually good

>> No.19883860

>>19881474
Nietzsche gets accused of Gnosticism often on Reddit so it seems you might mesh well there.

>> No.19883864

>>One of the best adaptations of Nietzsche's philosophy in fiction comes from a comic book
Do you read books or even watch movies, or just anime?

Berserk is more Jung than Nietzsche anyway.

>> No.19884061

>>19879670
I love berserk and wouldn't even disagree that it has Nietzschian influence bur the faggots who tout this as a reason why the manga is so great are guaranteed to have never read a page of philosophy in their lives, it's the same with evangelion, one person comes up with a kinda clever theory and then millions of illiterate dorks regurgitate it (usually getting it wrong in some way).
That's why I roll my eyes whenever I see " [insert philosopher]s influence in [insert bit of pop culture]".

>> No.19884080

>>19879670
You haven't read Nietzsche lol

>> No.19884102

>>19880421
You should try reading a book yourself instead of listening to what others have to say about them

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>>19879787
>yt video essay
you can't be fucking serious

>> No.19884182

>>19884061
this

>> No.19884220

>>19879787
>literally every critique of this video is either strawman or ad hom from anons who haven't even watched it
I don't like cuck philosophy as a person, but this video essay is very good and faithful to Nietzsche

>> No.19884244

>>19884220
>>literally every critique of this video is either strawman or ad hom from anons who haven't even watched it
Why do you type like a reddit nigger?

>> No.19884568

>>19884244
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

>> No.19884580

>>19884568
sneed

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Counterpoint

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>>19879670
You posted the wrong pic but yeah

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>>19885041

>> No.19885067

>>19881645
Well, he brought misery to Italy.

>> No.19885072

>>19885063
Hell no I'm not a woman I'm a man who agrees with the existentialist message of Girl's Last Tour.

>> No.19885088

>>19884061
>it's the same with evangelion
reminder that when asked about the Christian terminology in Evangelion the author said "it just sounded cool and deep, idk latin bible words lol"

>> No.19885232

>>19884061
Yes

>> No.19885256

>>19884220
He psychoanalyzes characters and gives them traits that arent present in the manga. I remember him talking about lord mozgus and his supposed hipocracy, when in the story even guts says that mozgus "believes in God more than anyone".

>> No.19885260

>>19883430
Kek. Destroyed them.

>> No.19885329

>>19885260
>them
So what imagined enemy am I being classified as today?

>> No.19885337

>Berserk
>Good
The Japanese are literally unable to explore themes with depth. Culturally speaking they've always been obsessed with aesthetics and this let them achieve incredible things before they lost WWII, but they are fundamentally incapable of depth. For this - historically speaking - you have to look at the Chinese. The Japanese took Chinese thought and Chinese concepts and made them as beautiful as possible but in doing so they annihilated every chance they had at depth. This was unironically great but Westernization fucked them up really badly. The entire output of post-war Japan has been to plagiarize a Western piece of media at surface level and force sex in it.

>> No.19885384

>>19885329
Filthy weeb.

>> No.19885431

>>19885088
>the author said "it just sounded cool and deep
lying faggot. Evangelion is full of kabbalistic/gnostic themes.

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>>19885431

>> No.19885677

>>19885668
That's literally an interview he did with schoolchildren, the answers he gives in it go pretty strongly against what's in the show. EVA is no masterpiece, but it's definitely more inspired by gnostic ideas (or rather, anti-gnostic ideas) than Anno lets on.

>> No.19885699

>>19885677
When will gnosto-niggers give it a rest

>> No.19885751

>>19885699
If you don't see the obvious parallels between End of Evangelion and the gnostic notion of oneness you're genuinely retarded. As I said, Eva's very anti-gnostic.

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>>19885668
I meant that the author was a lying faggot.
>>19885699
you tell me. Almost every mainstream HW movie has some gnostic bullshit in one way or another, the same goes for manga.

>> No.19885760

>>19885751
>Eva's very anti-gnostic
so it's Christian?

>> No.19885786

>>19879787
The first part where he mentions those 5 points of tragedy isn't very convincing. He kind of glosses over the complexity of Berserk (like the motivations of Guts to leave the Band of the Hawk) to make it fit nicely in the mold. Or rather, I imagine, to satisfy his desire as a Nietzsche scholar and fan of Berserk to tie both of them together in the grandest fashion possible.
The rest of the video was better. Though as always with youtube essays, he appeals to emotions through all the editing and music.

>> No.19885827

>>19885760
eh, it's against the parts that don't really have much to do with Christianity, specifically the idea that this world is a mistake and if everyone became one the world would be better. It's against the notion that "the self" is a bad thing, which is pretty prominent in certain gnostic sects.

>> No.19885835

Daily reminder Griffith is supposed to be the Ubermensch, not Gutts.

>> No.19885842

>>19885337
hey WAIT A MINUTE

>> No.19885849

>>19885677
>He was just pretending to be retarded
Anon Asuka isn't real, simping for Anno won't make her real

>> No.19885858

>>19885849
hell no I don't want Asuka to be real I'm not some fucking wimp self insert who wants a 14 year old to bully me.
Misato, on the other hand...

>> No.19885869

>>19885835
It always amused me too how retards see Guts as somehow Nietzschean character.
He literally writes in Ecce Homo: "The word Übermensch [designates] a type of supreme achievement, as opposed to 'modern' men, 'good' men, Christians, and other nihilists ... When I whispered into the ears of some people that they were better off looking for a Cesare Borgia than a Parsifal, they did not believe their ears."
And Griffith is literally Cesare Borgia albeit more of a pawn.

>> No.19885943

manga and anime is such garbage and i have no idea how any self-respecting adult can stomach it over the age of 18. yes, even legend of the galactic heroes is bad.

>> No.19885967

>>19879670
> OH NO IT'S THE PURPLE PLATYPUS KNIGHTS
> Guts broods
> woman gets raped
> Griffith conducts some sceme and wins
> long stupid fight scene
> OH NO IT'S THE INDIGO TAPIR KNIGHTS
> Repeat for 5000 pages.

How do people enjoy this garbage? Is this board just filled with 14 year olds who think people are interested in their opinions?

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>>19885943
you don't know shit about japanese animation if you think dissing legend of the galactic fujobait means criticizing the peak of its maturity or something.

>> No.19886074

>>19886054
i've seen it all little weeblet, all the meme essentials and the artsy obscure stuff that sunken cost retards think is good. kawamoto is shit too. grow up.

>> No.19886087

>>19885041
what is this? i learned it was matthewmatosis' favorite manga the other day which surprised me because it seemed so silly. like it seems like it's about anime girls in nazi gear? am i missing something?

>> No.19886090

>>19886074
so you basically have no taste then. even yuri norstein likes kawamoto.

>> No.19886118

>>19886074
>i've seen it all
why aren't you a weeb out of sunken cost then?

>> No.19886122

>>19886118
dropped 90 percent of it all the moment i catch a whiff of that juvenile japanese writing and tropey nonsense

>> No.19886127

>>19879787
> youtube video dating after 2019
>video essay made by a weeb
na I'm good.

>> No.19886155

>>19886127
i don't think he's a weeb. someone asked him if he watches anime in a q&a and he said he's only seen a handful

>> No.19886163

>>19886122
that doesn't sound like you've seen it all

>> No.19886181

>>19886163
you don't have to watch something in its entirety to know if it's garbage, especially when your taste has already been refined from watching the finest cinema and reading the finest books. animetards tend to like these sorts of things and critical thinking skills which leads them to watching loads of garbage and propping up mediocrity as if it's the best thing ever.

>> No.19886238

>>19886181
>you don't have to watch something in its entirety to know if it's garbage
generally i would say you do, this is why anime/genre fiction/vg etc fans don't take people like you very seriously, they correctly presume that you haven't engaged with it properly. i mean yeah i can tell some slice of life anime is going to be what it is without watching it but something like metal gear isn't something you can presume the content of just cause of a few tropes or campy moments

>> No.19886252

>>19885967
>>19886122
being a weeb is a degeneracy induced mindbreak, like being gay

>> No.19886267
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>>19886087
Girl's Last Tour, it's about two of the last humans driving around the remains of a megacity and trying to get to the top. It's mostly them musing on the meaning of life and whatnot as they travel and try to survive. If you like existentialism and urban decay, this is the manga for you. Also,
>matthewmatosis
my man. Hope his game is good.

>> No.19886279

>>19886267
It’s funny how the best you tubers eventually quit to work on other stuff they’re passionate about. The site these days is just an outlet for people who aren’t creative enough to make good art.

>> No.19886293

>>19880112
kino

>> No.19886308

>>19886181
a man of taste can find beauty everywhere, only a pseud looks down on animation and videogames thinking he's too refined for them.

>> No.19886324

>>19886308
animation and video games are inherently kitsch trash with little exception and even then those exceptions don't match war and peace or gance's napoleon. they're small time and can't withstand scrutiny. they only stand out in a bubble of mediocrity, not in the annals of high art.

>> No.19886350

>>19886324
this smells of larp, it seems you aren't aware that "kitsch" has kind of fallen out of favor as a technical term in aesthetics in part because greenberg's predictions have proven to be mostly wrong. e.g. nobody in their right mind would deny that hollywood has created quality films

>> No.19886362

>>19886350
>>19886324
anyway, what are the "few exceptions" you know of? genuinely curious

>> No.19886411

>>19886362
as far as animation goes, i enjoyed jankovics son of white mare and i like svankmajer. i think the last anime i genuinely liked that was "new" was yuasa's mind game that i saw decades ago on dvd. don't really care for any of those garbage old ova's people try to peddle as good. i think ghibli is inoffensive and decent for entertaining the inner child but many consider them the height of japanese animation which kinda tells you all you need to know about the state of the medium and the audience.

>> No.19886450

>>19886411
okay, now to prove you aren't larping, what's the last good movie and last good book you've seen/read?

>> No.19886455

>>19886411
Not the anon you were replying to but actually decent taste.

>> No.19886465

>>19879787
Good video
don't mind the Shills here.

>> No.19886478

>>19885869
The are both Ubermesnch.

Mememto Vivire.
Guts wants to live and increases in power and ability; even though he was sacrificed he fights against it and Survives and keeps Struggling to fight the Demons that will ever-chase him and he doesn't give up.
Griffith attains Godhood by Sacrificiing his comrades; he even sells his body to a degenerate Rich man to get money for the company.

>> No.19886497

>>19886450
why would i be larping? i don't even think my opinion is in the minority especially among this board.

>> No.19886504

>>19886497
>i don't even think my opinion is in the minority especially among this board.
this is precisely why. feel free to answer the question

>> No.19886505

>>19881445
>>19881985
It's how Asians work.
>Shanzai
They mimic everything ; Copy/paste.

Read Byung Chul Han.

>> No.19886520

>>19886411
Based as fuck, but I think the early Miyazaki movies are actually underrated. They have themes that despite how simple, seem to go over people's heads.

>> No.19886558

>>19885384
Accusing people who like Berserk of being weebs is pretty retarded. I hate most anime and manga I've seen / read and haven't really seen or read much, but like Berserk quite a lot. It doesn't feel or have much to do with other anime or manga and most of its sources of inspiration were western.

>> No.19886559

>>19885869
>Griffith is the Übermensch
>a pawn
Griffith is meant to appear the Übermensch but Guts is the reminder that he isn't. Griffith is ultimately a servant of the Idea of Evil, a representation of humanity's need to justify their suffering conjured into reality. Guts bears this suffering and becomes stronger the very antithesis of the Letzter Mensch.

>> No.19886564

>>19886558
this is even worse cause it just means you can only enjoy that shit when it's derivative and watered down of better western works that would be time better spent on.

>> No.19886587

>>19879670
I'm feeling a sense of depa vu with this thread

>> No.19886598

>>19886564
It's not derivative or watered down. It's one of the best comic books ever made. Comic books are a form of art separate from literature, cinema, painting, etc.

>> No.19886632

>>19886598
>It's one of the best comic books ever made
Isn't like the whole second half of it full of cringe and pedoshit because the author didn't know how to pad for readers' attention?

>> No.19886633

>>19886564
nobody should listen to you, your answer here >>19886497 shows you are just a /lit/izen larper. speaking as someone formally trained in philosophy, the philosophy side of this board is totally amateur and inept, and i see no reason to think the fiction side is any different. the fact that you do makes your erudition look suspect. you're just namedropping things like war and peace because you know from pop culture osmosis that it's highly regarded, and you got napoleon from some /lit/ chart. i'm not denying you've read them but lots of normies have tried reading war and peace lol
also gonna call attention to my post here >>19886350. you're using "kitsch" in a way that hasn't been in fashion since the 60s

>> No.19886655

>>19886632
No, that's just what retards with an agenda / poor reading comprehension like to parrot.

>> No.19886659

>>19886633
oh and another thing about greenberg is his claims that "kitsch" (which is basically everything other than the narrow slice of contemporary academic art he likes) leads to totalitarianism is fucking funny when you remember the CIA promoted him and the stuff he liked
i wouldn't even be surprised if you didn't know where the term comes from and just started using it because the cool kids on here use it, or you read adorno once and he used it there somewhere

>> No.19886683

>>19886655
I literally hit a random chapter in the 300s and it was basically lolicon and I doubt that any of what was happening was relevant to the narrative.

>> No.19886690

>>19886683
>I didn't read it but I'm still right
Okay then.

>> No.19886719

>>19886690
>I have to look at pages and pages of pointless, softcore loli porn before deciding that there is no artistic merit in it
You didn't argue that you loved jerking off to it, that's your thing, you argued that it's "one of the best comics ever made" when it's filled with fanservice. Putting your loli fetish in your comic surely helps it sell, but you're trading that with artistic merit. There's no point to this shit.
And I tried reading it because of you shills and lost interest very quickly because it was just edge edge edge like every other manga I've read.

>> No.19886743

>>19886719
>I have to read it to know what it's about? Are you serious?
And what are you even talking about with lolicon? The single panel in the whole series that shows Schierke's butt? Did that one panel really upset you?

You are the retard with an agenda / poor reading comprehension mentioned before. You obviously don't care, yet you feel the need to comment anyway. This thread isn't /lit/ so I refuse to bump it and realize it doesn't belong here but you're still an idiot.

>> No.19886749

>>19886719
>I went to a "random" page and it had loli lewds
>I "tried reading it" but it was edge edge edge
>>19886655 was right lol

>> No.19886761

>>19886350
I know a film school graduate who uses terms like "genre film" and dismisses 95% of stuff as garbage in favor of like some obscure ass Colombian film but even he thinks "kitsch" is a bullshit term. Also he generally thinks Ghibli is good and admits that video games create great works of art, although at a lesser frequency than film/literature. So yes I think you're right that guy is LARPing.

>> No.19886776

>>19886749
Yes, do I have to repeat it because you're retarded? People have always shilled this comic like crazy so one time, I went to read it. I made it through the whole first arc when he's with the mercenaries and then a bit later. It was trash. I just didn't like it. I don't care if it "picks up later" it was just pointless edge upon pointless edge. Then over the years I've seen people complain a lot that it was filled with pedoshit and other out of tone crap, and pages were posted too. Today I wondered in earnest if it's true that a whole chunk of the comic is like that because it was losing steam, and because I wanted to verify my assumption I, today, went to a manga reader site and hit a random chapter around 300 something, and lo and behold, loli fanservice.
Now you can enjoy edge and draw pedoshit, I don't care, but arguing that it's one of the best comics ever made when it's disposable coomer edge trash just like every other forgotten big boy manga out there is beyond retarded. And as always you faggots have one answer: you have to read it all, endure all this shit from start to finish or your opinion is invalid, and even if you do that and say it's still shit you'll just cope in some other way because muh manga, muh fucking japan

>> No.19886803

Weebs today are what bronies used to be when bronies were firing on all cylinders. You have a legitimate fetish for your fandom, its tropes and the way it strokes your peepee and zero self-awareness about it. You think that naked 15 year old girls swinging giant swords because some gook decided that cute girls good and huge katanas also good, isn't automatically shit from an artistic point of view, therefore you're mentally ill. Only a complete drooling retard can speak in favor of weebshit without shame. It's something you should keep private

>> No.19886824

>>19886776
It's obvious that you formed your opinion on it based on what others were saying about it. Yes, it's overrated and people say ridiculous shit like Berserk "changed their life" or is "philosophical" or whatever. That doesn't stop it from having some of the best art, character design, and writing in comic books. It's also not really edgy, there's waaay edgier out there. Maybe if you actually took an interest and paid attention to what you read you wouldn't have formed erroneous conclusions about it.

>> No.19886834

>>19886776
>loli
>can't be art
It has shota too. Truly Greek inspired.

>> No.19886837

>>19886824
>"I have read it and dropped it after deciding it was shit"
>It's obvious that you formed your opinion on it based on what others were saying about it.
others were saying nothing but praise for it when I decided it was shit
oh wait, wait, now you'll say "same thing, you were just being contrarian"

>> No.19886849

>>19886834
Regardless of whether you think it's based and redpilled to have it, if this kind of shit is completely pointless and for it's own sake, it's fanservice. Fanservice means the whole thing is shit. Fanservice is directly antagonistic to art. You literally cannot be making art if you are making fanservice laden shit.

>> No.19886852

>>19886837
You didn't read it, not really. You only did so because others were talking about it. You essentially skimmed it. That's why you're saying stupid shit about it like it's edgy.

>> No.19886857
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>>19886776
>>19886803
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/

>> No.19886868

>>19886849
Edgy Rape horse and the rape trolls are fanservice. The loli/shota stuff was for himself. That was the art.

>> No.19886869

>>19886849
*its own
But there's no arguing with you. You just go around in circles with the same bullshit where you try to argue that porn and gore are art and not just just dopamine fodder for consoomers. You think every Japanese wagie who makes this slop is a true honest artist and he can do nothing wrong. Manga and anime is the epitome of consumable slop, the very medium of comics is made to be read by illiterate retards and then trashed.

>> No.19886876

>>19886857
what the fuck does this even mean you brain damaged turd? it's you who should fuck off to >>>/a/

>> No.19886887

Is marxism some kind of cult or religion? Why do every marxist make one ideology the sole focus of his life and try to twist things to fit into their world view?

>> No.19886906

>>19886868
lmao case in point, "the porn was because of his untamed vision!!! artist!!!"
also notice the parallel with trannies who first claim there's no such thing, then they admit that there's indeed such a thing but it's a good thing
god you are... ffffff... why, anime is so fucking shit today, maybe in the 80s it was forgivable but how the fuck can you like this shit today? actually I'm not even complaining that you're whipped by drawn porn, it's ok, do whatever, but why do you insist that it's not just basically porn? the girls go uwaaah and they're all made to be like that oneitis you couldn't fuck in high school, perennially, you'll be 40 and still go after the UwAHH~ then there's the guy super mega punching the other guy into space which explain to me how is it any different than Superman. It's literally the sloppiest slop, like fried candy slop for retarded kids and you gorge on it but it's not enough, you have to force other people to try it and admit it's the greatest thing ever and the most refined artistic taste there is. Christ.

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>>19886869
Everything besides eatin, poopin, killin, sexin, etc. is dopamine for consumers. Art is and always was a product of excess. A way to tickle your fancy and escape boredom.
Pic rel is another such example of fanservice.

>> No.19886921

>>19886887
>Is marxism some kind of cult or religion?
Basically, but what does marxism have to do with the thread?

>> No.19886936

>>19886906
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/
Kek, the incel rage is real. Do everyone here a favour, including (You)rself, and take a breather from posting.

>> No.19886951

>>19886912
>all art is dopamine
See the only real answer to your idiocy is beatings. You genuinely lack the brain to argue about this. I don't like that painting, and I think you're doubly retarded for bringing up le old painting as if it automatically proved you right. And I know that you don't like it either because Botticelli isn't coom enough for you. At least it represents a mythological event, so it still has more value than your anime trash whose entire premise is built around the need to show a titty for a horny retard consumer.

>> No.19886962

>>19886936
>incel
What the fuck does that have to do with inceldom? You're the guy who humps a pillow with a face on it at night, not me. This is a matter of 1) weebshit not being even on the same plane as literature 2) you having shit taste in everything
kys

>> No.19886964

>>19886921
This thread is just a bait to post the cuck philosophy video. The op is a troll or cuck himself.

>> No.19886968

>>19886951
>Immediately attacks anime.
Yeah now THAT'S how you make yourself look like an intellectual.

>> No.19886994

>>19886968
are you really trying to bring up semantics? you know it's extremely pathetic, right?

>> No.19887025

>>19886951
I like that painting and those who commissioned it probably liked it too.
>At least it represents a mythological event
Irrelevant. Even le pictures of Jesus on the cross or Indra riding an elephant serve the same purpose. It's not pornographic but it gives you an escape and makes the viewer feel good. Because hairless monkeys have a value system for ranking which of their scribble are best within their "culture" or their "history" they can also fellate themselves over liking it, much like yourself. You can use it as a signal of your identity. Weebs, bronies and "men of culture" are much alike as >>19886803 pointed out. The difference is what they consider le good and le bad.

>> No.19887064

>>19887025
>it makes the viewer feel good
why do you bring up the most generic possible definition because you absolutely need to say that looking at porn is the same as looking at an image of Jesus Christ and everything that image meant for the people who looked at it? Why are you faggots such disingenuous slimes every time?
beatings, really there's no other solution. the biggest failure of the internet is that it's pain-free.

>> No.19887074

>>19879670
>People have always shilled this comic like crazy
How do we stop the phenomenon of people shilling a book because of things other people have said about it instead of if they actually like it or not? It feels like many series only get popular because of booktube shilling though some stuff still gets well liked organically.

Even then some books or manga are great. but get praise for all the wrong reasons. For example akira is a great manga but the movie gets all the accolades. And book of the new sun is great but not the greatest sci-fi ever.

>> No.19887127

are there any comic book or manga generals?
i've been getting into comics and enjoying on the side of regular reading
i know it's out of the typical lit scope, but would be really nice to have a general for it.

>> No.19887131

>>19887064
>why do you bring up the most generic possible definition because you absolutely need to say that looking at porn is the same as looking at an image of Jesus Christ and everything that image meant for the people who looked at it?
In essence it is the same thing. Religious art is just fanservice to get people to take the content of the holy books seriously. Of course there are those among the readers of the Bible or the Vedas, etc. who grasp the utility those works have for maintaining society but the works of art are ornamental. They trigger the same feelings that keep you satisfied. It's fools like you who think this pageantry elevates them above the level of a tree or a pebble.

>> No.19887162

>>19887131
>In essence it is the same thing.
have you considered the fact that you're fucking stupid?

>> No.19887461

>>19879787
>master's degree in philosophy specialized in nietzsche
>youtuber
yikes

>> No.19887487

>>19886127
i know the guy personally and i can tell you hes not a weeb at all. Berserk and akira are the only animes hes seen that he likes

>> No.19887522

>>19879787
>the uploader has a master's degree in philosophy specialized in nietzsche.
Which McDonalds chain can I encounter this esteemed scholar?

>> No.19887568

>>19885431
>Evangelion is full of kabbalistic/gnostic themes.
They don't mean anything.
>b-but my tripfag sai-
He's probably a grifter, and brown too.

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>>19879670
Isn't Nietzsche about giving up because everything is pointless? Yeah Berserk isn't anything like that.

>> No.19887703

>>19883864
>)
jung is the new nietzsche, every pseudo loves him

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>>19887587
I don't understand how people still confuse Nietzsche as being Nihilist when a large part of his work was written as an attack on it

>> No.19888413

>>19885256
>>19884220
>>19879787
problem is it's just a pop culture video using nietzsche and berserk, both well-known, to get clicks. and i guess having fun tying things he likes together. he might know nietzsche but if you've read the manga you'll know it's bullshit. kind of a problem with youtube in general. you're not going to find anything actually interesting. you're going to find 'content'.

>> No.19888423

>>19881985
very bad sign that we like it to begin with t.bh

>> No.19888435

>>19882166
>>19881898
>>19881824
References don't mean anything. Jap media often references Western literature and philosophy yet clearly has no idea what it's talking about. It's a way to piggy-back off status and add false depth. Or to play with the aesthetics of the pop culture version of these things. Which is ok. Still has nothing to do with Nietzsche.

>> No.19888445

>>19883835
>>19883172
>>19882166
>>19882136
He who fights monsters line is in the intro cinematic of Baldur's Gate. I thought it was really cool when I was 10. I'm not old btw just poor so I played old games.

>> No.19888662

>>19888435
>>19888445
Idea of Evil is will to power, the lost chapter pretty much gave this away.

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>>19886054
Source of webm?

>> No.19889285

>>19887587
lmao that page is "I'm 14 and this is deep"

>> No.19889978

>>19889173
Dojoji Temple

>> No.19889999

>>19880178
>unironically reading Marx
fuck off back to R*ddit

>> No.19890052

>>19879787
Is this guy better than the usual youtube philosophy crowd, everything I've seen is just so performative and mostly feels like a big ego thing for the creators.

>> No.19890106

>>19890052
I haven't watched it but you already know it's performative grifter shit like everything else

>> No.19890380

>>19890052
>Is this guy better than the usual youtube philosophy crowd,
yes he is. honestly him and greg sadler are the only philosophytubers i'd recommend, speaking as someone with formal training in philosophy

>> No.19890406

>>19887487
doesn't he like serial experiments lain? he said so in that q&a

>> No.19890419

>>19890406
he also likes ghibli. big doubt that anon actually knows him

>> No.19890837

>>19879670
Based

The order of castes, the highest, the dominating law, is merely the ratification of an order of nature, of a natural law of the first rank, over which no arbitrary fiat, no “modern idea,” can exert any influence. In every healthy society there are three physiological types, gravitating toward differentiation but mutually conditioning one another, and each of these has its own hygiene, its own sphere of work, its own special mastery and feeling of perfection. It is not Manu but nature that sets off in one class those who are chiefly intellectual, in another those who are marked by muscular strength and temperament, and in a third those who are distinguished in neither one way or the other, but show only mediocrity—the last-named represents the great majority, and the first two the select. The superior caste—I call it the fewest—has, as the most perfect, the privileges of the few: it stands for happiness, for beauty, for everything good upon earth. Only the most intellectual of men have any right to beauty, to the beautiful; only in them can goodness escape being weakness. Pulchrum est paucorum hominum:[30] goodness is a privilege. Nothing could be more unbecoming to them than uncouth manners or a pessimistic look, or an eye that sees ugliness—or indignation against the general aspect of things. Indigna tion is the privilege of the Chandala; so is pessimism. “The world is perfect”—so prompts the instinct of the intellectual, the instinct of the man who says yes to life. “Imperfection, whatever is inferior to us, distance, the pathos of distance, even the Chandala themselves are parts of this perfection.” The most intelligent men, like the strongest, find their happiness where others would find only disaster: in the labyrinth, in being hard with themselves and with others, in effort; their delight is in self-mastery; in them asceticism becomes second nature, a necessity, an instinct. They regard a difficult task as a privilege; it is to them a recreation to play with burdens that would crush all others.... Knowledge—a form of asceticism.—They are the most honourable kind of men: but that does not prevent them being the most cheerful and most amiable. They rule, not because they want to, but because they are; they are not at liberty to play second.—The second caste: to this belong the guardians of the law, the keepers of order and security, the more noble warriors, above all, the king as the highest form of warrior, judge and preserver of the law. The second in rank constitute the executive arm of the intellectuals, the next to them in rank, taking from them all that is rough in the business of ruling—their followers, their right hand, their most apt disciples.—

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>> No.19890840

>>19890837
In all this, I repeat, there is nothing arbitrary, nothing “made up”; whatever is to the contrary is made up—by it nature is brought to shame.... The order of castes, the order of rank, simply formulates the supreme law of life itself; the separation of the three types is necessary to the maintenance of society, and to the evolution of higher types, and the highest types—the inequality of rights is essential to the existence of any rights at all.—A right is a privilege. Every one enjoys the privileges that accord with his state of existence. Let us not underestimate the privileges of the mediocre. Life is always harder as one mounts the heights—the cold increases, responsibility increases. A high civilization is a pyramid: it can stand only on a broad base; its primary prerequisite is a strong and soundly consolidated mediocrity. The handicrafts, commerce, agriculture, science, the greater part of art, in brief, the whole range of occupational activities, are compatible only with mediocre ability and aspiration; such callings would be out of place for exceptional men; the instincts which belong to them stand as much opposed to aristocracy as to anarchism. The fact that a man is publicly useful, that he is a wheel, a function, is evidence of a natural predisposition; it is not society, but the only sort of happiness that the majority are capable of, that makes them intelligent machines. To the mediocre mediocrity is a form of happiness; they have a natural instinct for mastering one thing, for specialization. It would be altogether unworthy of a profound intellect to see anything objectionable in mediocrity in itself. It is, in fact, the first prerequisite to the appearance of the exceptional: it is a necessary condition to a high degree of civilization. When the exceptional man handles the mediocre man with more delicate fingers than he applies to himself or to his equals, this is not merely kindness of heart—it is simply his duty.... Whom do I hate most heartily among the rabbles of today? The rabble of Socialists, the apostles to the Chandala, who undermine the workingman’s instincts, his pleasure, his feeling of contentment with his petty existence—who make him envious and teach him revenge.... Wrong never lies in unequal rights; it lies in the assertion of “equal” rights.... What is bad? But I have already answered: all that proceeds from weakness, from envy, from revenge.—The anarchist and the Christian have the same ancestry....

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>> No.19890847

>>19890840
In point of fact, the end for which one lies makes a great difference: whether one preserves thereby or destroys. There is a perfect likeness between Christian and anarchist: their object, their instinct, points only toward destruction. One need only turn to history for a proof of this: there it appears with appalling distinctness. We have just studied a code of religious legislation whose object it was to convert the conditions which cause life to flourish into an “eternal” social organization,—Christianity found its mission in putting an end to such an organization, because life flourished under it. There the benefits that reason had produced during long ages of experiment and insecurity were applied to the most remote uses, and an effort was made to bring in a harvest that should be as large, as rich and as complete as possible; here, on the contrary, the harvest is blighted overnight.... That which stood there aere perennis, the imperium Romanum, the most magnificent form of organization under difficult conditions that has ever been achieved, and compared to which everything before it and after it appears as patchwork, bungling, dilletantism—those holy anarchists made it a matter of “piety” to destroy “the world,” which is to say, the imperium Romanum, so that in the end not a stone stood upon another—and even Germans and other such louts were able to become its masters.... The Christian and the anarchist: both are décadents; both are incapable of any act that is not disintegrating, poisonous, degenerating, blood-sucking; both have an instinct of mortal hatred of everything that stands up, and is great, and has durability, and promises life a future.... Christianity was the vampire of the imperium Romanum,—overnight it destroyed the vast achievement of the Romans: the conquest of the soil for a great culture that could await its time. Can it be that this fact is not yet understood? The imperium Romanum that we know, and that the history of the Roman provinces teaches us to know better and better,—this most admirable of all works of art in the grand manner was merely the beginning, and the structure to follow was not to prove its worth for thousands of years. To this day, noth ing on a like scale sub specie aeterni has been brought into being, or even dreamed of!—This organization was strong enough to withstand bad emperors: the accident of personality has nothing to do with such things—the first principle of all genuinely great architecture. But it was not strong enough to stand up against the corruptest of all forms of corruption—against Christians....

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>> No.19890854

>>19890847
These stealthy worms, which under the cover of night, mist and duplicity, crept upon every individual, sucking him dry of all earnest interest in real things, of all instinct for reality—this cowardly, effeminate and sugar-coated gang gradually alienated all “souls,” step by step, from that colossal edifice, turning against it all the meritorious, manly and noble natures that had found in the cause of Rome their own cause, their own serious purpose, their own pride. The sneakishness of hypocrisy, the secrecy of the conventicle, concepts as black as hell, such as the sacrifice of the innocent, the unio mystica in the drinking of blood, above all, the slowly rekindled fire of revenge, of Chandala revenge—all that sort of thing became master of Rome: the same kind of religion which, in a pre-existent form, Epicurus had combatted. One has but to read Lucretius to know what Epicurus made war upon—not paganism, but “Christianity,” which is to say, the corruption of souls by means of the concepts of guilt, punishment and immortality.—He combatted the subterranean cults, the whole of latent Christianity—to deny immortality was already a form of genuine salvation.—Epicurus had triumphed, and every respectable intellect in Rome was Epicurean—when Paul appeared ... Paul, the Chandala hatred of Rome, of “the world,” in the flesh and inspired by genius—the Jew, the eternal Jew par excellence.... What he saw was how, with the aid of the small sectarian Christian movement that stood apart from Judaism, a “world conflagration” might be kindled; how, with the symbol of “God on the cross,” all secret seditions, all the fruits of anarchistic intrigues in the empire, might be amalgamated into one immense power. “Salvation is of the Jews.”—Christianity is the formula for exceeding and summing up the subterranean cults of all varieties, that of Osiris, that of the Great Mother, that of Mithras, for instance: in his discernment of this fact the genius of Paul showed itself. His instinct was here so sure that, with reckless violence to the truth, he put the ideas which lent fascination to every sort of Chandala religion into the mouth of the “Saviour” as his own inventions, and not only into the mouth—he made out of him something that even a priest of Mithras could understand.... This was his revelation at Damascus: he grasped the fact that he needed the belief in immortality in order to rob “the world” of its value, that the concept of “hell” would master Rome—that the notion of a “beyond” is the death of life.... Nihilist and Christian: they rhyme in German, and they do more than rhyme....

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>> No.19890864

>>19890837
>>19890840
>>19890847
>>19890854

Indeed OP, from what I can see, Berserk is quite Nietzschean indeed. It's great that we agree on this crucial point!

>> No.19890876

>>19890864
To be honest, the more I read, the more I can see the similarities:

What is good?—Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.

What is evil?—Whatever springs from weakness.

What is happiness?—The feeling that power increases—that resistance is overcome.

Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).

The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.

What is more harmful than any vice?—Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak—Christianity....

>> No.19890928

>>19888368
>I don't understand how people still confuse Nietzsche as being Nihilist when a large part of his work was written as an attack on it
Because acknowledging that point means they admit Christianity is Nihilist and the entire modern culture we are in stems from it, which means everything everyone is doing would be Nihilist, last men behaviour and thus they would need to change themselves and give an ear to what Nietzsche states

And they aren't going to do that.

>> No.19890958

>>19890406
>serial experiments lain
another example of pseud lolicon "art"

>> No.19891051

>>19890928
I think it's just a popular misunderstanding Anon.

>> No.19891546

>>19881445
>The entire output of post-war Japan has been to plagiarize a Western piece of media at surface level and force sex in it.
Giant cope. Anime is superior to Western media, so panicking Westerners try to reassert control by claiming that it's all just stolen from the West. And the last part is projection because there's way more sex in Western media.

>>19885943
Literature and live action are such garbage and I have no idea how any self-respecting adult can stomach them over the age of 18.

>>19886122
Tropes are universal and were not invented by anime.

>>19886252
It's Western media that's degenerate.

>>19886324
Literature and live action are inherently kitsch trash.

>> No.19891556

>>19881662
>>19885067
dilate
>>>/lgbt/

>> No.19891641

>>19881510
Saw this in another thread. How based is it? Does he fuck/rape the girl by the end?

>> No.19891717

>>19891546
>Giant cope. Anime is superior to Western media
You have brain damage. Didn't read the rest. Dilate.

>> No.19891729

>>19891717
You're a brain-damaged tranny and you're projecting.

>> No.19891905

>>19886465
Ironic.

>> No.19891947

>>19891729
Anon it's people with anime avatars who are trannies. Trannies love anime because they're degenerates. Wake the fuck up idiot.

>> No.19891976

>>19891947
You're a brain-damaged tranny and you're projecting.

>> No.19892006

>>19891976
But anon why do you say that I am projecting when trannies factually love anime very much, while I do not, and I prefer le classics written by dead Russians, are dead Russians tranny media? Do you understand what projecting means or are you stupid and you use word without knowing what they mean, you stupid faggot?

>> No.19892010

>>19892006
You're a brain-damaged tranny and you're projecting.

>> No.19892035

>>19892010
But anon what am I projecting? You clearly love tranny media for perennial adolescents, you know, the kind of person who becomes a tranny, while I think anime is shit and your idea that it's superior to Western media is absolutely laughable, you know, that's the kind of opinion that only someone whose brain is completely liquefied by fetishes and wish fulfillment would hold, and ironically that's also the kind of person who becomes a tranny. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

>> No.19892048

>>19892035
>But anon what am I projecting?
>You clearly love tranny media for perennial adolescents
Dumb tranny.

>I think anime is shit and your idea that it's superior to Western media is absolutely laughable
No it's not. You're obviously insecure and coping because anime is better than anything you can make.

>Really makes you think, doesn't it?
If you were capable of thinking you wouldn't have trooned out.

>> No.19892055

>>19892048
You're a brain-damaged tranny and you're projecting.

>> No.19892065

>>19892055
You're a brain-damaged tranny and you're projecting.

>> No.19892073
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>>19879670
>Bad writers necessary. There will always have to be bad writers, for they reflect the taste of undeveloped, immature age groups, who have needs as much as the mature do. If human life were longer, there would be more of the individuals who have matured than of the immature, or at least as many. But as it is, the great majority die too young, which means there are always many more undeveloped intellects with bad taste. Moreover, these people demand satisfaction of their needs with the greater vehemence of youth, and they force the existence of bad authors.
Now you can go back to /a/, kiddo

>> No.19892107

>>19879670
RIP. It fucks me up when I think about Guts waking up from the Eclipse and he sees his arm and looks for Casca and sees that she's mentally broken and he realizes everything that happened was real and he just starts running because he can't do anything else.

>> No.19892785

>>19884102
>implying

>> No.19893536

>>19891051
Didn't you get my point?

It's not a "misunderstanding"
It's an Inversion.

It's the grossest mis interpretation of Nietzsche.

>> No.19893545

>>19891905
For You.

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19893614

I can think of a better example

>> No.19893679

niggas out here so midwitted they think that just because art doesn't explicitly state or the artist hasn't read something that can't represent the zeitgeist of an era or borrows themes from it. I don't care if the idea of evil isn't technically canon, it was intended to be released. It clearly outlines a Nietzschean ideology. that being said, in a sense berserk is more pagan and a critique of paganism too. guts is trying to destroy or stop his destiny by his own will. so duh it has some nietzschean ideas

>> No.19893738

>>19893679
>niggas out here so midwitted they think that just because art doesn't explicitly state or the artist hasn't read something that can't represent the zeitgeist of an era or borrows themes from it.
I'ts disgusting, isn't it.

>> No.19893910

Berserk is trash. It was never good, except The Black Swordsman arc.

>> No.19893987

>>19881445
>The entire output of post-war Japan has been to plagiarize a Western piece of media at surface level and force sex in it.
As the world deserved it yes.

>> No.19894044

>>19884613
Are there any other films that approach this one in the magnitude of their vision, besides Triumph of the Will?

>> No.19894763

>>19879716
you can find that theme in every hermann hesse novel im aware of

>> No.19895004

>>19891641
Only halfway before he realizes what he's doing.

>> No.19895341

>>19880067
of all the four letter actions you could have chosen...

>> No.19895739

>>19891947
But how does anime promote transgenderism? Actually trannies in anime are incredibly rare. There are traps, but they're just effeminate men and usually jokes. The trans icon Astolfo, in the original, is a straight man, he just looks like a girl. How does the appropriation of cute drawings of girls in anime and manga by trannies in any way reflect upon the degeneracy of anime itself? Trannies want to be cute girls, the Japanese are great at drawing idealized cute girls, therefore trannies use anime girl avatars. Anime itself is quite conservative in it's portrayal of gender roles.

>> No.19896588

>>19895739
Because that dude is a moron and is obviously in denial.

>> No.19896597

>>19884124
>frogposter in 2022
you can't be fucking serious

>> No.19897276

>>19888368
He considered himself a nihilist

>> No.19897321

>>19886411
>which kinda tells you all you need to know about the state of the medium
It tells you nothing about the medium just people who have experienced very little of it.

>> No.19897399

>>19886411
Mind Game isn't even Yuasa's best work, and there are plenty of other directors I would put on the same level, if not, higher. The only thing Ghibli could be considered the height of is just technical animation, but Ghibli being popular among the masses tells you nothing about all the other sorts of works available

>> No.19898262

>>19879670
I would argue that it’s more neo-Spenglerian than Nietzschean

>> No.19899520

Berserk is fucking deep.

>> No.19899553

>>19899520
It's trash.

>> No.19899645

>>19881479
His faith was vindicated as himself and fellow believers were reborn as angels.

>> No.19899749

>>19899520
No, but it's got great art and the Golden Age arc has some of the best writing in comic books period.

>> No.19899775

>>19899520
The strength of Berserk is Miura's complete mastery of the visual aspect of the medium. The imagery during Eclipse and the faux Eclipse at the end of the Conviction arc and all the symbolism are very rich. Berserk could have little dialogue and just a synopsis and it could still communicate its themes. It's like a comic book ballet.

>> No.19901534

>>19895739
Haku in Naruto
Griffith in Berserk
Face it Tranime is full of gender bending CVCKS

>> No.19901538

>>19901534
Griffith has never been feminized

>> No.19901654

>>19880465
he wrote a book on marx, tard
what have u done

>> No.19901674

>>19901538
>Griffith has never been feminized
In the manga he literally sells his own body in order to get ahead. Not the original anon btw.

>> No.19901710

>>19881445
I cannot reconcile this because the manifestation of beauty cannot lack depth. You say this because you don't understand Japanese culture; not that I do, but Japs are incompatible with most of Western thought. It is a shame they bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki into oblivion, the most Catholic cities in the once Land of the Rising Sun. God knows what kind of culture had emerged if Hitler remained victorious and Catholicism spread throughout Japan.

>> No.19901816

>>19901674
Did he dress up or act like a girl though? Gennon was a gay pedophile, Griffith was just taking advantage of his young appearance.

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>>19879787
>i recommend being more open minded

>> No.19901857

>>19879678
>>19879704
Berserkfags are pseuds by definition.

>> No.19901880

>>19899775
I think the art in Berserk is amateurish.

>> No.19902008

>>19901534
Traps aren't trannies. This site has rotted your brain.

>> No.19902261

>>19901880
Compared to the works Miura is imitating? Sure. Compared to other comics? Not at all.
He was still putting out a manga on a regular schedule for many years.

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>>19901710
>Catholicism spread throughout Japan

>> No.19902298

>>19901880
kys pleb.

>> No.19902385

>>19879787
>master's degree
Completly irrelevant you need a phd to prove you genuinely know shit about the subject.
Master's student are just people unwilling to leave university and still just regurgitate other people's beliefs.

>> No.19902416

>>19902008
>men who pretend to be women are different than men who pretend to be women
You are a faggot and your gay excuses are worthless.