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[Anonymous No.19867741]

>All this business about people committing suicide when they’re “severely depressed;” we say, “Holy cow, we must do something to stop them from killing themselves!” That’s wrong. Because all these people have, you see, by this time already killed themselves, where it really counts. By the time these people swallow entire medicine cabinets or take naps in the garage or whatever, they’ve already been killing themselves for ever so long. When they “commit suicide,” they’re just being orderly. They’re just giving external form to an event the substance of which already exists and has existed in them over time. Once you realize what’s going on, the event of self-destruction for all practical purposes exists. There’s not much a person is apt to do in this situation, except “formalize” it, or, if you don’t quite want to do that, maybe “E.C.T.” or a trip away from the Earth to some other planet, or something.

[Anonymous No.19867762]

>>19867741
I fully believe that a person should be allowed to decide when and how they want to die, nearly all survivors of a suicide attempt don't try a second time.

[Anonymous No.19867804]

>>19867762
>nearly all survivors of a suicide attempt don't try a second time
Source, your ass? Why is a previous suicide attempt considered an extreme risk factor for suicide?

[Anonymous No.19867805]

>>19867762
source: trust me bro

and even if it's true it's not a good indicator of anything, if you survive a suicide attempt it was a half assed attempt

this kind of 'thinking' could only be useful if you could poll people who successfully killed themselves and ask if they'd do it again given the chance

[Anonymous No.19868011]

>>19867805
>jump of golden gate bridge headfirst
>"Oh he half-assed it"
Not everyone is going to make a survival proof suicide device.

[Anonymous No.19868312]

>>19868011
The overwhelming majority of suicide survivors didn't jump off the golden gate bridge. Your argument is misleading probably because you know you're wrong/retarded.

[Anonymous No.19868334]

>>19868011
>suicides frfom the golden gate bridge are not 100% successful
>a shotgun directly aimed to my brain and touching my temple is 100% successful
>hurrdurr i m going to jump off the bridge
no wonder people who try suicide are dumb retards

[Anonymous No.19868355]

>>19867741
This man killed himself in order to immortalize his books.

[Anonymous No.19868368]

>>19867741
Pussy faggot. Even writes like a queer.

[Anonymous No.19868396]

>>19867741
You know he only killed himself because he believed that.

[Anonymous No.19868410]

Good Old Neon is his suicide note.

[Anonymous No.19868617]

>>19867804
You're a clown.
Didn't even take one google search.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/#:~:text=A%20literature%20review%20(Owens%202002,70%25%20had%20no%20further%20attempts.

[Anonymous No.19868631]

>>19867804
>>19867805
lol not even one second on google lmfao dorks

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/#:~:text=A%20literature%20review%20(Owens%202002,70%25%20had%20no%20further%20attempts.

[Anonymous No.19868661]

>>19868631
Did you selectively lose the ability to read where it says "even if this is true" which demonstrates you're a retard, independent of your latest reply which corroborates the same?

[Anonymous No.19868674]

>>19868631
>hurr durr STUDIES
>meanwhile the replication crisis is a fever pitch
This is worthless.

[Anonymous No.19868685]

>>19868674
It's actually worse than that because it's a study of other studies, can't even imagine the level of cherrypicking involved

[Anonymous No.19868942]

>>19868685
>t. has no idea of literature reviews work
Lmao nigger it's not a drug study by Pfizer

[Anonymous No.19869625]

>>19868661
>Did you selectively lose the ability to read
lol the irony

>>19868685
>it's a metastudy therefore arbitrarily means it's wrong and cherry picking

wow
very logic

[Anonymous No.19869652]

>>19869625
Most scientific studies are horseshit and scientists admit this themselves (see replication crisis). Doing a meta-analysis basically guarantees that your result is false.

[Anonymous No.19869657]

Instead of spending so much effort depriving suicidal people of their release from their torturous lives, we'd be better off helping people who are suffering well before they get to the point of wanting it ended by any means necessary.

It's never a surprise when someone kills themselves. Everyone around them KNOWS they're suffering, they just don't care enough to help. Then once it's done, they act like it's a shock so that nobody questions their own culpability, and they act like THEY'RE the victims to assuage their own guilt. Show me a suicide and I'll show you an entire community of assholes and bullies.

[Anonymous No.19869827]

>>19869652
>Most
oops goalpost moved lol keep going

[Anonymous No.19869842]

>>19867805
>>19868334
>if you survive a suicide attempt it was a half assed attempt
nigger shut the fuck up, people even survive gunshots to the head
>nooo bro if you don't go to the effort of obtain a fucking bazooka to REALLY make sure you vaporize your upper body it means you didn't really want to die!

[Anonymous No.19869849]

>>19869827
Yes most of them are horseshit. A meta-analysis takes all studies on a given topic and tries to present a consensus out of them. But since most studies are bullshit presenting the consensus of all of them is like asking the average person complicated math questions instead of a genius.

[Anonymous No.19869866]

>>19869842
>nooo bro if you don't go to the effort of obtain a fucking bazooka to REALLY make sure you vaporize your upper body it means you didn't really want to die!
Yeah that's what it means, at the very least shoot yourself while jumping off a cliff, if you survive this then it's divine intervention

[Anonymous No.19869877]

>>19867762
The vast majority of attempts are not exactly serious, it is not difficult to kill yourself if you really want to. a great many are just making a cry for help or the like.

[Anonymous No.19869883]

>>19867741
It's the same with people who drink and smoke everyday. They're just slowly killing themselves anyways. Actually committing suicide is one of the most based chad things you can do.

[Anonymous No.19869886]

>>19869652
Retards learning the phrase "replication crisis" is not particularly compelling

[Anonymous No.19869890]

>>19869849
Especially the ones that prove you wrong, I wager.

[Anonymous No.19869897]

>>19867762
And nearly all people who are serious about killing themselves don't survive.

[Anonymous No.19869901]

>>19869886
On the other hand, they make for great poker opponents, even if they'd be likely to go on a shooting spree when they lost.

[Anonymous No.19869924]

>>19868685
>>19869652
>>19869849
Fuck you're so smart anon. Please go on.

[Anonymous No.19869950]

>>19867741
Mentally ill psychopath preying on weak minded fools. Some people need help to survive, not retarded suicide cults.

[Anonymous No.19869973]

>DFW is a mentally ill psychopath
I mean, he's sorta annoying in the realm of self-degradation but I wouldn't go quite that far.

[Anonymous No.19869977]

he's = he was :(
RIP <3

[Anonymous No.19869980]

>>19868631
From your own link:
>An international review of psychological autopsy studies found that approximately 40% of those dying by suicide had previously attempted (Cavanagh 2003).
Which is damning considering that anyone with a modicum of intelligence is not going to fail the first attempt (for example, by being stupid enough to point the barrel upwards under the chin for dramatic effect and not positioning it against the vital parts of the brain, which often results in a failed suicide).

[Anonymous No.19869989]

>>19869886
>>19869890
>>19869924
>t. Seething sci cucks
I know it’s hard to swallow, but most scientific research is total horseshit. It’s just made up. Or some company bribes them to forge the desirable result. Or they get sloppy and don’t do things correctly. Or they do things correctly and still it’s bullshit because the scientific method is simply imperfect. This is why the technocracy and science worship which is so prevalent in our culture is so dangerous. Especially in medicine and psychology, almost all studies are just complete and utter horse shit. They can create any result they want and push whatever they want onto us. That’s why you shouldn’t trust science, only philosophy and mathematics and physics (barely a science; basically a branch of maths).

[Anonymous No.19870041]

>>19867805
>if you survive a suicide attempt it was a half assed attempt
no

[Anonymous No.19870059]

>>19869989
>projecting

[Anonymous No.19870114]

>>19870041
Yes? There are fail proof methods that would require an act of god to fail. Jumping in front of a train is half assed, hell what if the brakes work in time? What if it just breaks a few ribs? But suck starting a shotgun? That is is guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.19870224]

>>19869877
most people don't want to die in agonizing pain or in a messy method or they're not gunnuts with shotguns on their mind all the time
this doesn't mean they weren't serious

Your definition of "serious" probably doesn't actually have to do with how serious they were, but rather how successful they were, which i hope you would realize are two entirely different things.