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[Anonymous No.19867590]

What authors would be in favor of limiting free speech to salvage the democratic process?
Do the ends justify the means?

[Anonymous No.19867597]

>>19867590
No. This doesn’t salvage the democratic process, this stifles it. Please think before post.

[Anonymous No.19867602]

>>19867597
But if someone uses their platform to spread misinformation that can spread and voters will be misinformed. Wouldn’t it be better to just eradicate the misinformation at the source?

[Anonymous No.19867633]

>>19867590

Free speech and democracy are both optimistic and mutually reinforcing liberal principles which place trust in the population to affect the political process and carry out the public discourse. It is easy to criticize these principles (humans are stupid cattle), but it doesn't make sense to curtail one optimistic principle with a view toward "helping" the other. If you limit one you're basically saying that people are the stupid cattle that they are, and adopting a pessimistic view of humanity which makes it absurd to try to prop up the other pillar, except as a plebiscitary formalism which is even less meaningful than the current (western) form, like voting in a Chinese election. At that point you might as well just go all-in on monarchy/oligarchy/benevolent dictatorship, although tyranny is the norm.

People really are stupid cattle scarcely competent to govern themselves, but the problem is that benevolent dictatorship never works in practice, and the democracy of stupid cattle actually is (usually) more pleasant than most tyrannies, even when it votes in tyranny.

[Anonymous No.19867638]

>>19867602
“Western democracy” IE voting for which member of the elites get to screw the public over, isn’t democracy. Notice how they hate free speech? No of course not.

[Anonymous No.19867645]

Is that image saying free speech is an enemy to democracy?

[Anonymous No.19867650]

>>19867590
Wtf I love free speech now

[Anonymous No.19867656]

>>19867602
If people can't inform themselves when information is available, then all you can do is try to educate people better. If they still can't, then you can't really trust these people, so on what basis are you supporting democracy when people themselves are untrustworthy? Censorship in a democracy is self-defeating.

But we haven't had democracy for decades since forced mass immigration and Jewish influence, so it doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.19867657]

>>19867645
Yes and/or Nazis and chuds use free speech as a cover to damage democracy.

[Anonymous No.19867664]

Man why cant these type of people just admit they dont like democracy. Become such a sacred word. Just go full technocrat its basically what we are now

[Anonymous No.19867668]

>>19867657
So, it's damaging to democracy when it's someone I dislike speaking.

[Anonymous No.19867735]

Image is a confusingly displayed parody of newspaper political cartoons. Its more saying that the trucker protest for freedom is anti democratic to Liberal sensibilities, juxtaposed on the boogeyman 911.

[Anonymous No.19867754]

>>19867735
I think you're giving too much credit to the artist.

[Anonymous No.19867791]

Idk maybe some CNN pundit has some gay book like that

[Anonymous No.19867811]

>>19867754
I didn't say it was clear.

[Anonymous No.19867850]

>>19867602
all information is misinformation, the truth is subjective, objective facts don't exist, they have never existed

[Anonymous No.19867880]

>>19867633
>but the problem is that benevolent dictatorship never works in practice,
except for all of the examples where it did

[Anonymous No.19867917]

>>19867602
Who decides misinformation? Even the scientific industry is having issue with published studies and replication.

You expect media to govern itself without bias?

[Anonymous No.19867921]

>>19867590
Karl Popper.
False dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.19867975]

Asking someone whether they support free speech is usually a great litmus test for whether they're a moron on not (because if they say they say yes, they support limiting free speech, they're too stupid to realize that limitations on free speech will eventually apply to them as well).

[Anonymous No.19867991]

>>19867880

Not a one, always gets muddied.

[Anonymous No.19868015]

>>19867590
>>19867602
>anything that disagrees with my views is misinformation

[Anonymous No.19868030]

>>19867590
The same people who support limiting free speech are the same people who either can't argue with logic/facts or are retards who can't think for themselves and only listen to what the mainstream media says.
Imagine unironically supporting getting rid of free speech.

[Anonymous No.19868046]

>>19867590
>we need to ban certain opinions to protect democracy
>wait no you can’t ban my opinion this is literally fascism

[Anonymous No.19868093]

>>19868046
Saying the vaccine does not work is NOT an opinion. It's pure disinformation and you should be arrested for endangering people with your meme charts.

[Anonymous No.19868135]

>>19867590
Democracy is Cancer.

[Anonymous No.19868140]

>>19867590

[Anonymous No.19868146]

9/11 was an inside job. Why did they blow up building 7?

[Anonymous No.19868147]

>>19868140
Is Sneed the one driving the rig?

[Anonymous No.19868187]

>>19868093
Maybe you should stop whining like a bitch and get some coochie for once in your life

[Anonymous No.19868196]

If you can't trust people not to just believe the first thing they read online, why would you trust them to form a government? If some random guy on Youtube is a danger to democracy, then it probably just wasn't meant to be.

Honestly my biggest problem with most forms of government is that they cling to some higher justification, be it divine right, communism, "the people", etc.
A one-party state where the official motto was just "you are too retarded to rule yourselves, we know better" would be refreshingly honest. I don't think it would have much popular appeal, though.

[Anonymous No.19868229]

>>19868140
my sides

[Anonymous No.19868236]

>>19868140
I would prefer it says Sneed, since Sneed is the agent of change who converted Fuck and Suck to Feed and Seed.

[Anonymous No.19868247]

>>19867991
>who's Darius
>who's Alexander

[Anonymous No.19868264]

>>19868236
Sneed

[Anonymous No.19868290]

>>19867735
Good, democracy slowly destroys freedom. You actually get brainlets defending the increasingly authoritarian trend of the West because we live in a 'democracy'.

[Anonymous No.19868307]

>>19868290
Shut the fuck up loser

[Anonymous No.19868308]

>>19867991
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.19868325]

>>19867590
>What authors would be in favor of limiting free speech to salvage the democratic process?
Hegel is the ultimate proponent of this idea.

[Anonymous No.19868333]

>>19867850
Two the Griffon?

[Anonymous No.19868357]

If some retards on a forumn or podcast are this much of a threat to muh demograzee is was probably never a very good system

[Anonymous No.19868391]

>>19867602
Then who has the right to determine what's true information or not? The government? Yes, surely the state that wants to maintain control over me will not lie to me!

[Anonymous No.19868402]

>>19868307
No you, people who vote for authoritarian politicians should face the same consequences as the people they elect.

[Anonymous No.19868469]

>>19867590
Derrida is not really in favour of it but describes how it can happen in Rogues.

[Anonymous No.19868479]

>>19868093
what "vaccine"?

[Anonymous No.19868480]

>>19868391
Governments often have a legal imperative to remain open and transparent so to be held accountable. Not the same of some random internet people or a corporation.

[Anonymous No.19868512]

>>19868480
You can't actually be this naïve and stupid can you?

[Anonymous No.19868530]

>>19868512
If you don't think your government is doing a good enough job why don't you try being an active citizen?

[Anonymous No.19868531]

>>19868093
The vaccine doesn't work. A proper vaccine eliminates the disease, like smallpox or polio. The covid jabs would better be described as a treatment, like aspirin. But they needed the propaganda coup of 'vaccine'

[Anonymous No.19868533]

>>19868480
I've got bad news for you. It's just been discovered that governments are not divine entities unto themselves, but groups of random people selected from the very same larger group of ordinary random people, whom you feel are incapable of magical powers of transparency or dedication to truth.

Hang on, I'm getting another update. Oh god.. They're telling me that those who write AND those who interpret and enforce the laws ARE ALSO JUST RANDOM PEOPLE SELECTED FROM THE LARGER GROUP OF RANDOM PEOPLE IN GENERAL!

[Anonymous No.19868548]

>>19868533
I'm not sure what your point is? Companies hire random people but they still manage to get the work done. It's the same for governments, except there are different rules for how the business of government is run because of the position of power it is in, and democratic ideals. I'm not saying government is always perfect at this but it is generally a legal requirement of governments in the west to create public records.

[Anonymous No.19868561]

>>19868196
Government is, at the deepest layer, just the guy with the most guns in town. If you're too afraid of his goons to not do what he says then you're governed. There's a big social game centred around this, and I'm not saying it's all sticks with no carrots, but that's what's under every state's Scooby Doo monster mask. From democracies to "democracies" to transparent autocracies.
If the equilibrium in these systems is disrupted and there are competing sets of guns then it comes crashing down, the system in question is just which "trust game" is being played.

[Anonymous No.19868566]

>>19868531
It can be a less effective vaccine, but still reduces mortality and major complications. So?

[Anonymous No.19868581]

>>19868561
Government are the ones who keep the guns in the interest of shtf. I agree that this principle gets forgotten sometimes but the sense I get from your post is that the government happen to be the last group of armed thugs standing and now rule over everyone else, dishing out arbitrary rules/punishment.

[Anonymous No.19868593]

>>19868531
it took 20 years to develop the polio vaccine

[Anonymous No.19868596]

>>19868566
So we have different ideas of what 'works' means in this context? Isn't language tricky! Best to have censorship, just in case

[Anonymous No.19868619]

>>19868530
>You can't actually be this naïve and stupid can you?

[Anonymous No.19868634]

>>19868581
I'm not saying that government is le bad. There are clear material benefits for those involved, both subjects and rulers. The guy with the guns doesn't have to be a bad guy; you're right that people often forget this point.
> the government happen to be the last group of armed thugs standing and now rule over everyone else, dishing out arbitrary rules/punishment.
Many governments are like this but keep in mind it's also in the interest of the thugs in charge that they have enough manpower so they need to coddle at least enough people to keep it all going. Even in the ungoverned Kowloon walled city the Triads organised volunteer fire brigades and garbage men to keep their base of operations clean and safe.

[Anonymous No.19868636]

>>19868619
You sound like the naive and stupid one who actually doesn't understand the process of government. You watch too many films maybe.

[Anonymous No.19868650]

>>19867590
>What authors would be in favor of limiting free speech to salvage the democratic process?
Is there any other democratic county that places an emphasis on free speech other than american's

[Anonymous No.19868676]

Any system that cannot handle people speaking freely deserves to be replaced by a better one.

[Anonymous No.19868687]

>>19868636
>He actually is this naïve and stupid
>He's also smug about it
Dear lord

[Anonymous No.19868689]

can someone pls explain why retard cartoon man drew a semi instead of an airplane?

[Anonymous No.19868693]

>>19868307
No u
>>19868402
This. Every expedition into "democracy" has come to the inevitable conclusion of the people subconsciously offloading the weight of personal responsibility for every political decision to some sort of authoritarian rule, whether open or subliminal, the lack of a conscious element in this decision making such a tyranny many times more tyrannical than a knowing resignation of political power would be. A democracy's "dwindling" into authoritarianism isn't the work of any one malicious fascist boogeyman under the bed, but necessarily a product of the voting body which allowed such a transformation to take place. In the words of Joseph de Maistre, "In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve."

[Anonymous No.19868701]

>>19868676
This is almost right. I think the truth is that if a system is really functional there won't be a critical mass of people using their freeze peach to talk about how dissatisfied they are with their state of affairs.

[Anonymous No.19868726]

>>19867590
Artist is a retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.19868748]

>>19868689
Reference to the ongoing trucker protests in Canada?

[Anonymous No.19868779]

>>19867917
>Who decides misinformation? Even the scientific industry is having issue with published studies and replication.

So the alternative is to let misinformation take over (it already is) and erode the reality that people live in?

Neither options are nice. Pick one.

[Anonymous No.19868786]

>>19868333
Everything is without meaning. The forces that rule us are impossible to change. Its best to do nothing.

[Anonymous No.19868790]

>>19868687
Why the fuck are you even responding to me lmao you're not adding anything

[Anonymous No.19868818]

>>19868779
>misinformation
No such thing. Anything goes. If you are still alive and reproducing how bad can it be?

[Anonymous No.19868829]

>>19868140
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.19868881]

>>19867590
>limiting free speech to salvage the democratic process?
This is not the problem with democracy. The problem is that in the best case (when "the people" do have influence on the country's policy) majority of them vote for stealing other people's money - legitimization of the democratic process makes them get away with being immoral and making the whole system immoral. And immoral systems must collapse.

[Anonymous No.19868921]

>>19868790
>seethes
>proceeds to add "lmao" in the middle of his seething (the text equivalent of a nervous chuckle)

[Anonymous No.19869089]

>>19867590
>democracy
>good

[Anonymous No.19869095]

>>19869089
This. A million times this.

[Anonymous No.19869096]

>>19868480
Hahahahahaha government is a murderous corperation with no accountability or transparency tell me you aren't serious

[Anonymous No.19869104]

>>19868687
I think we've been trolled
>>19868689
Truckers are currently protesting the tyrannical covid regimes and bootlicking simps think that's a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.19869107]

>>19867590

[Anonymous No.19869135]

Is this guy anyone significant?
does he work for establishment or just independent.

[Anonymous No.19869148]

>>19868786
sfu black pilling glownigger

[Anonymous No.19869184]

>>19867590
I just saw this image and am replying to unironically ask if this is satire. Is it?

[Anonymous No.19869243]

>>19869096
Legally yes it has more accountability than you or some corporation

[Anonymous No.19869245]

>>19869184
you live in idiocracy what do you think?

[Anonymous No.19869247]

>>19868921
Still not sure what you're trying to add. You want my attention?

[Anonymous No.19869260]

>>19869245
I would now ask you if he was ridiculed, but your reply probably answers that already.

[Anonymous No.19869261]

>>19868779
I don't know the alternative. My point is moreso that having some overseer of information is dangerous in itself; you can look at "fact checking" sites and see how even they can be caught in idealistic trappings.

Media is a simulation. Even by presenting "reality" it inherently transforms it.

So, maybe the alternative is no media.

[Anonymous No.19869280]

>>19868561
This is too reductive...but getting less reductive every year

[Anonymous No.19869301]

Why do libtards give these fringetards such inflated value? Is it when your ideology is so hegemonic that even slights against it makes you piss and shit yourself?

[Anonymous No.19869327]

>>19867590
These blast points too accurate for sand people

[Anonymous No.19869339]

>>19869243
Who is watching the watchers? Pearl harbor was planned, the gulf of tonkin was a false flag, they murdered jfk, the federal reserve has never been audited, the list goes on and on.

[Anonymous No.19869399]

>>19869339
The US is pretty weak when it comes to the transparency of its government yes but generally in the democratic west there are at least some legal mechanisms for the public to access the record of government, be in freedom of information, transfer to archives, etc. This kind of mechanism is not required for any other corporation or person except when it comes to matters of regulation, but that regulation is in turn transparent. For example I don't have to tell you shit about myself and the government protects the right to my own private information and data.
The other person calling me naive or whatever obviously didn't get the point. And governments tend to be full of these 'naive' people who actually just want to make the system work instead of taking potshots without any accountability themselves.

[Anonymous No.19869420]

>>19869399
The us has become a tyranny since they extracted europes wealth by profiteering for two world wars. That much money and power, there is no way it wouldn't be corrupted. Overdeveloped miniature 'countries' with 20 million citizens are going to be easier to govern and don't have the level of power to not be transparent. Most European countries are smaller geographically and population wise, they don't have a deep state military industrial complex whose goal it is to perpetuate comflicts so raytheon can rake in money

[Anonymous No.19869480]

>>19869420
For sure, and the US has an interest in maintaining international security as well, even if it is just for profit, so they have to remain pretty tight-lipped as the most valuable target. You definitely see whistleblowers leak government information though because they believe that the government isn't as accountable as it says it should be. It just kind of sucks that the west is shitting itself with these protests and mandates recently because they seem to have forgotten why we allow them in the first place, and on what conditions. It has just become a shouting match rather than demonstrating leadership.

[Anonymous No.19869489]

If you aren't anti-liberalism in the year 2022 I don't even know what to say to you.

[Anonymous No.19869493]

>>19869243
You saw what Rittenhouse went through right? Meanwhile Babbitt's killer got a pay raise.

[Anonymous No.19869495]

>>19869480
It doesn't help that covid is just a cold.

[Anonymous No.19869532]

>>19867668
are you stupid? how can shutting up nazis ever be bad to the System? you know they want to abolish it

[Anonymous No.19869559]

>>19868818
Brainlet.
>>19869261
>My point is moreso that having some overseer of information is dangerous in itself
No one disagrees. Having misinformation is dangerous in itself.

>So, maybe the alternative is no media.

It's not spread only through media though, every dipshit with a metroPCS plan and an android can create post misinformation, this site is a prime example of that.

[Anonymous No.19869571]

>>19869559
Oh no not skawwy misinformation I might not buy what they're selling

[Anonymous No.19869579]

>>19869493
You can chalk up all civil unrest post-WW2 as the public holding government to account. That is what social justice is -- prejudice against blacks, whites, etc. We can laugh or cry about it now but it really just is democracy in action. There's definitely a sea change happening now (thanks to tech, basically) but I think people fundamentally understand that the west functions on freedom of information and association, privacy, government accountability, etc. -- even if they don't recognise it -- and would not want any other system without it.

[Anonymous No.19869601]

>>19868140
nice

[Anonymous No.19869603]

>>19868140
Hell yeah dude

[Anonymous No.19869622]

>>19867590
I thought democracy was good but then who I voted for didn't win and I realised it was actually bad

[Anonymous No.19869629]

>>19869622
Based and democracy is mob rule and fake pilled

[Anonymous No.19869631]

>Modern liberals cant even deal with one of the fucking key aspects of the ideology

Oh im honkin

[Anonymous No.19869661]

>>19868480
Did your history teacher rape you? Is that why you repress all common sense surrounding this topic?

[Anonymous No.19869667]

>>19867590
I love free speech now?

[Anonymous No.19869668]

>>19869661
It's clearly a troll

[Anonymous No.19869672]

>>19869532
But they can only do so through
a) illegal means
b) getting voted into power

if b, then what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.19869684]

>>19867590
You cannot yell "fire" in a movie theater.

[Anonymous No.19869688]

"Democracy", "misinformation", "experts", etc.
Why does modern dogma have to be so lame? I'd prefer "You'll burn in Hell if you sin" rather than "Joe Rogan is a threat to our democracy"

[Anonymous No.19869701]

>>19867590
no democracy is hella gay

[Anonymous No.19869704]

>>19868530
>Just vote them out, bro!
Again, you can't actually be this naïve and stupid can you?

[Anonymous No.19869722]

>>19868530
I didn't know you people still existed lmao.

[Anonymous No.19869732]

>>19869688
The point of liberalism is to pretend that it isn’t a dogma (an incredibly fragile and contradictory one at that) so they can’t outright use that type of language. Want to excommunicate someone? Call them a racist, fascist, white supremacist, homophobe, transphobe, etc instead of just calling them heretics

[Anonymous No.19869735]

>>19869688
This.

>Your statement is missing context (our spin on it) so the fact checkers have deemed it a half-truth.
>Your account has been suspended for misinformation.

[Anonymous No.19869784]

>>19867590
how old are you, OP? is this the first time you've thought about this topic?

[Anonymous No.19869823]

>>19869732
One of the best decisions I ever made was to install a wordfilter on my browser that turns 'bigot/bigoted/bigotry' into 'heretic/heretical/heresy'. It really spices up a lot of msm editorials and makes it way more apparent when someone is spewing dogma.

[Anonymous No.19869900]

>>19869399
>For example I don't have to tell you shit about myself and the government protects the right to my own private information and data.
You do know gov institutions like the DMV sell your information to corporations, right?

[Anonymous No.19870012]

>>19869784
What if I told you most people go through their lives without ever questioning the principles of democracy and liberalism to any degree of sincerity even once?

[Anonymous No.19870038]

>>19869704
Active citizen =/= voting

[Anonymous No.19870045]

>>19869661
I think you're confusing the law with the effective execution of that law. The fact remains government and its information is held to a different standard than a corporation or a person.

[Anonymous No.19870052]

>>19869900
Just think for a second what would happen if you sued? There would be legitimate grounds for a lawsuit based on your ownership of your information. You are missing the point.

[Anonymous No.19870056]

>>19870012
Well no, they do question the basic principles and notice the incoherence of our society. They just find their answers in Liberalism itself again and reinforce it. If you didn't like the results of the last election then use your voting power to save the system from fascism in 4 years!

[Anonymous No.19870057]

>>19869722
>>19868921

[Anonymous No.19870113]

>>19870057
fuck off empty posting faggot.

[Anonymous No.19870288]

>>19868480
This is a pastiche, right?

[Anonymous No.19870312]

>>19868533
>JUST RANDOM PEOPLE SELECTED FROM THE LARGER GROUP OF RANDOM HEBREW PEOPLE

[Anonymous No.19870728]

>>19867590
The democratic process is why things got this bad. Dictatorship of the majority, even if indirect, is still shit and the fact that it's so easy to topple means it deserves to fall.

[Anonymous No.19870776]

>>19870052
I don't know if you're this dumb or just a troll, but when you've signed the paper to get your registration, you also waived your right to that kind of privacy, and it's not like it's a secret either. You can look it up yourself. DMV's have been doing this for years and it's perfectly legal.

[Anonymous No.19870783]

>>19869732
Why is it not a dogma

[Anonymous No.19870788]

>>19867602
If I tell you lava cures covid then that's your own fucking problem and we're better off without them.
Personally I say let politicians spend hundreds of millions of dollars to inform the public how they want. If the people are stupid enough to let them even do that without just shooting them in the streets regardless of whether it's for a cure for cancer or forced vaccinations it's their own problem.
The fact that anybody is spending any millions to try to tell you something is a sure reason to never trust them.
You don't click on ads, do you? No. If something looks neat you google it, you google that brand even, then other things pop up too.
Now of course there's issues with what google will show you but you know what I'm getting at.

As far as I'm concerned, any employee should be able to call everyone from Kentucky inbred corn dildoing retarded fucks, as well as saying Chicago is full of niggers and I hope they all die horrible violent deaths, and he won't lose his job over it.

[Anonymous No.19870792]

>>19870783
Because it doesn't tolerate any ideology outside of itself, like all ideologies. Where the Middle East is traditional and sees nothing wrong with honor killings, throwing gays off rooftops, and cutting your hands off for stealing; liberal countries see these as "human rights" violations and seek to colonize these countries into the "civilized" world.

[Anonymous No.19870799]

>>19867656
>so on what basis are you supporting democracy
Peaceful transfers of power.

[Anonymous No.19870932]

>>19868533
How the fuck do you think there wouldn't be nepotism and bribery in systems of power?

[Anonymous No.19871000]

>>19869532
People wanting to end vaccine mandates are Nazis? wtf?

[Anonymous No.19871016]

>>19869532
Why are you capitalizing system and nothing else?

[Anonymous No.19871215]

>>19871000
Yes Anon, anybody who opposes this authoritarian corporate system is 'right wing' therefore a Nazi.Believing in bodily autonomy is right wing extremism for shitty covid vaccines but progressive when it comes to murdering unborn children.

[Anonymous No.19871283]

>>19867602
Get a load of this faggot.

[Anonymous No.19871284]

>>19867590
>What authors would be in favor of limiting free speech to salvage the democratic process?
can't have one without the other

[Anonymous No.19871289]

>>19867602
>I’m a man who totally just became a woman at will btw, society says I can do that

[Anonymous No.19871297]

>>19867590
Is this implying that the protest is an inside job?

[Anonymous No.19871353]

>>19871297
He's trying to say that publicly resisting authoritarianism is the equivalent of a major act of terrorism. As far as the child molesters in charge are concerned its true.

[Anonymous No.19871356]

>>19868480
Republicans in power
>democrats: OMG, THE GOVERMENT IS CORRUPT, FIGHT THE SYSTEM
Democrats in power
>demicrats: GIVE THE GOV MORE POWER, THEY KNOW BETTER THAN US, ARGUMENTS GOING AGAINST THE GOV ARE MISSINFORMATION AND TERRORISM

The american political scene in the last 100 years or so.

[Anonymous No.19871481]

>>19868140
Sneedful

[Anonymous No.19871541]

>>19867602
Holy fuck /lit/ hasn't changed at all since I left.

[Anonymous No.19871679]

there is no point to the democratic process if there's no free speech as we know it now. specifically american free speech, everywhere else is cucked.
>>19869532
the system (in america) basically has this hard coded into it. the american people have the right to overthrow the government and install a fascist dictatorship if they want to. as I've said, there would be no fucking point to the system if there was no freedom like this. in europe however, the democracies are self defending ones, which means they can just do shit to citizens that would be considered illegal in america, in the name of "preserving" their democracy. disgusting fucking eurofaggots.

[Anonymous No.19871845]

>>19868140
kek

[Anonymous No.19871847]

The whole trucker protest is yet another plot to pit the middle class and the working class against each other.

[Anonymous No.19871873]

>>19870799
>Peaceful transfer of power
This just means there are no consequences for doing a lousy job as a leader.

[Anonymous No.19871892]

>>19869732
This.
A huge amount of problems in Western politics (domestic and foreign) comes from the unwillingness to admit that people may just have different opinions on things. The idea always seems to be that everyone actually wants to live like us, they're just oppressed by some external circumstance (see Afghanistan for how that works out).

[Anonymous No.19872035]

>>19871847
What's this middle class you are referring to?

[Anonymous No.19872038]

>>19871847
Truckers make like 75k a year anon.

[Anonymous No.19872555]

>>19868566
>less effective vaccine
This can be interpreted as misinformation, you're at the same situation as those you want to censor

[Anonymous No.19872575]

>>19868531
You're choosing an uncharitable definition of the word to try and make a point and toot your horn.
Be honest with your feelings instead of playing this foolish game. You don't trust this vaccine and you're scared of government oppression.

[Anonymous No.19872605]

>>19871289
Trans women are women stfu

[Anonymous No.19872623]

>>19872605
Humans are incapable of transitioning. There are no trans humans.

[Anonymous No.19872632]

>>19872605
Then why the trans before the woman?

[Anonymous No.19872821]

>>19867602
You forgot this, king

[Anonymous No.19872854]

>>19867602
90% of voters have been voting under misinformation for the last 150 years at least.
>Boohoo I don't get to live in the dystopia of MY choosing! It's time to end free speech :(
Shut up, you insufferable mouth breather.

[Anonymous No.19872945]

>>19868786
This only unironically

[Anonymous No.19872952]

>>19867602
11/10 bait. You sound just like the real thing.

[Anonymous No.19872992]

>>19867590
Stephen King? Idk pretty much any liberal in America wants to curtail Free Speech on the grounds that it threatens equality or something

Democracy is something that only really works in like a small town like Athens where the electorate are literal philosophers and warriors heavily invested in the success of their society. Americans don't care about anything other than material concerns. At this point I would prefer an authoritarian regime if it was interested in protecting my property rights but what we have now is an authoritarian regime pretending to be democratic and is interested in criminalizing me for protecting my property rights so literally any other system would be preferable

[Anonymous No.19872999]

>>19867602
And who decides who and what is responsible for misinformation? What power do they have, and how do they act?

[Anonymous No.19873005]

>>19872992
>Free Speech
You mean speech without consequence? Because from my understanding free speech within the realm of the first amendment only protects you from the state.
> is interested in criminalizing me for protecting my property rights'
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHH
oh man, nevermind, I can't do this in good faith when you think the boogie man designed specifically to protect capital and property is against you. Enjoy your fear and your toaster, anon.

[Anonymous No.19873013]

>le democracy
A individual vote won't change crap. The elections are determined by the masses, that which will be now influenced, greatly by the addition of the internet, by the best "campaign".

[Anonymous No.19873031]

>>19867602
oh boy
time to post pictures of dead democrat children

[Anonymous No.19873035]

>>19872605
axe wound

[Anonymous No.19873036]

>>19867602
google and facebook are 100% misinformation, and hostile at that
submit a plan for nationalizing those anti-American scubags

[Anonymous No.19873044]

>free speech threatens democracy
this is what racist criminals in the democrat party want you to think

[Anonymous No.19873046]

this is proof that democrats are the enemy and should be hunted down and killed as if it were World War II

[Anonymous No.19873054]

the whole point of the USA PATRIOT Act is helping non-Americans hurt the American people

[Anonymous No.19873056]

>>19868531
>I decide what a vaccine is
Ironic given the thread topic

[Anonymous No.19873063]

non-Americans want to believe this
they want to believe that the Americans deserved to be attacked because of 1A

[Anonymous No.19873067]

This is literally a thread about people that ABSOLUTELY HATE the American people because of 1A.

[Anonymous No.19873075]

>I fucking HATE the Americans because the Americans have the COURAGE to use their voice to stand up to RACIST NAZI BULLIES
pretty crazy stuff
this is a nazi sympathizer thread
y'all are nazi sympathizers

[Anonymous No.19873083]

THE NAZIS BURNED BOOKS
OP WANTS TO BURN BOOKS
OP WANTS TO BE A NAZI

[Anonymous No.19873087]

>>19873075
Yes.

[Anonymous No.19873092]

Nazi democrats are organizing fake book burnings in Republican states in order to distract from online censorship.

[Anonymous No.19873099]

>>19873087
the nazis are democrat thugs
you sympathize with democrat nazi youth
you sympathize with niggers
the only nazis in the USA are the kill whitey nazis in oakland & berkeley california

[Anonymous No.19873100]

>>19873063
>>19873067
I'm a burgerclap and what the shit is 1A

[Anonymous No.19873114]

>>19872632
>subsets don't exist

[Anonymous No.19873117]

>>19867991
>who are the Five Good Emperors

[Anonymous No.19873132]

>>19873114
Lol I love that saying what is taught in university is trolling now. Where do we go from here? The world is a mike judge movie

[Anonymous No.19873137]

>I want to attack the USA
>I want to attack 1A
I smell a leaf.

[Anonymous No.19873138]

>>19869823
Blessed idea, anon

[Anonymous No.19873140]

hmm...lets see if this works

[Anonymous No.19873154]

my theory is that OP is part of this brain damaged commonwealth nonsense
the freedom=tyranny crowd
KILL THE QUEEN OF THE UK
PASS 1A

[Anonymous No.19873164]

The commonwealth and the UK will try to attack the USA because they're stupid women.
The commonwealth and the UK are being manipulated by islamic terrorists.
Muslims are professional terrorists.

[Anonymous No.19873171]

>>19873154
Do you mean A1 steak sauce?

[Anonymous No.19873321]

>>19873132
What the fuck are you talking about schizo

[Anonymous No.19873387]

>>19869420
>Extracted Europe's wealth
That's a funny way to say
>Europe's wealth was gladly given in exchange for goods and services along entirely legal lines

>Profiteering for two world wars
Lets be real here, France and Britain planned to profit too - lets not forget that Sykes-Picot was a thing - Europe simply fucked itself so hard in the war that the debts they amassed back then finally ended up getting paid off in 2015-2019.

That was not America's active will, its something Europe did entirely to itself. Forcing Europe to give up its colonies along the lines of Bretton-Woods WAS America's will, but at the time it had more to do with morality than it did economics. Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman are all really more political idealists than political realists.

[Anonymous No.19873399]

>>19869532
>He doesn't realize that the biggest consequence of giving people a choice is that sometimes they make the wrong choice, and you must be willing to step aside and let this happen

[Anonymous No.19873422]

>>19871892
Functionally in order for this to happen, you also have to allow people to express violent, hostile or outlier politics. If you give people a free voice but then start slapping down voices you don't like, eventually people realize that they don't actually have a free voice and stop using it, or start using it selectively to avoid prosecution.

If you want willingness to express views on all sides, you're going to have to build America back into a system where all these forms of extremism are both accepted and valid, and then let them fight it out until people agree on where we should go from here.

Of course, since none of the parasites are going to survive that, they're going to fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening, because the survival of 'idea men' and 'utopians' and such is no longer guarenteed under such a system.

[Anonymous No.19873452]

>>19873321
We're pretending men are women and a cold is the most dangerous thing ever and this isn't a fringe thought, it is what they actually expect you to believe.

[Anonymous No.19873509]

>>19873422
This is true. That's why the corperations and the banks pretend the two party system is real when their differences are just which corrupt corperation gets paid more than another one. They keep the window of acceptable discourse as tiny as possible because if they let an actual socialist or lolbert in they would be absolutely eviscerated publically on their debate. I think even a nat soc would destroy whatever stooge they could put fourth just by citing actual things they have done horribly wrong.

[Anonymous No.19874575]

>>19873005
>Because from my understanding free speech within the realm of the first amendment only protects you from the state.
The ideological underpinning of free speech is that it is a natural right, and thus just governance exists in order to secure that right rather than infringe upon it. When the government is not protecting your natural rights from infringement by other parties and institutions, it is in abdication of it's core responsibility as a state.

Consider that the fourteenth amendment actively extends the equal protection clause to all citizens and prohibits private actors from infringing on this right - This is the proper interpretation of constitutional law. However the First often is not interpreted in the same regard (at least in popular conception), despite the powers of the constitution being the same and the wording of the two amendments as de-facto only applying to state and federal powers being the same. This is simply a political convenience which allows the powers that be to infringe upon your natural rights via a proxy entity.