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[Anonymous No.19861718]

He invented the tetralogy.

[Anonymous No.19863144]

bump.

[Anonymous No.19864510]

>>19861718
Wagner is the greatest

[Anonymous No.19864539]

>>19861718
He’s so fucking ugly bros

[Anonymous No.19864547]

Shakespeare then usurped it, and then perfected it with his two history arcs.

[Anonymous No.19864565]

>>19864547
Was that before or after he invented time travel? Paradoxes always give me a headache.

[Anonymous No.19865061]

>>19861718
Are you fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.19865721]

>>19861718
Yeah Wagner invented literally everything
>t. every fucking obnoxious Wagnerite turbofaggot on this godforsaken page

[Anonymous No.19865726]

>>19865721
The spindly fingers of a Meyerbeer fan typed this post

[Anonymous No.19865761]

>>19865726
Fun fact, Wagner also invented Meyerbeer and spindly fingers.

[Anonymous No.19865854]

>>19865726
Not really, Wagner is one my favorite composers and artists in general, and I've never listened to Meyerbeer in my life and don't plan to. I'm just easily offended by irredeemable Wagnerites constantly posting off topic garbage.

[Anonymous No.19865859]

>>19865854
>t. invention of wagner

[Anonymous No.19865868]

>>19865721
>omg guys, Wagner invented using the same fucking theme every fucking time a character shows up so creative!
>also all of his operas are really long and boring, that must mean they’re genius!
>he uses German folklore about a guy fucking his sister! Lmao totally owning the Libs!

[Anonymous No.19865921]

>>19865868
kek

[Anonymous No.19866630]

>>19864547
Shakespeare's tetralogy is based on convenience rather than symbolism.

[Anonymous No.19866658]

>>19864510
Philip Glass better

[Anonymous No.19866730]

>>19861718
i prefer quadrilogies

[Anonymous No.19868004]

>>19861718
Explain the meaning behind the use of a tetralogy

[Anonymous No.19868044]

>>19861718
>he invented the concept of 4
Ya I don't think so bud

[Anonymous No.19868221]

>>19868044
It's true, and Aeschylus invented the 3.

[Anonymous No.19869430]

>>19866658
>Philip Glass

[Anonymous No.19869452]

>>19869430
I kind of agree but Glass actually took real chances and cast off tradition, Wagner played it safe and kept firmly rooted in tradition. Hard not to admire that.

[Anonymous No.19869541]

>>19869452
>Glass actually took real chances and cast off tradition, Wagner played it safe and kept firmly rooted in tradition.
Wagner was as anti traditional as music could be in the 19th century, kind of wrong to view him as keeping firmly rooted in tradition when compared with the music of a century later. It was not a safe endeavour if you know anything about the war of the romantics.

In the second half of the 20th century every important composer was casting off 'tradition' in some way or another.

[Anonymous No.19869596]

He invented cuckolding

[Anonymous No.19869634]

oresteia was originally a tetralogy
>The fourth play, Proteus, has not survived.
hence Wagner wanted to become the german Aeschylus

>the hellenes had a fine sense of the sanctitiy of night. the profoundest sense of it must
>have been revealed to those attending the great performance of the oresteia of aeschylus.
>this began in daylight: agamemnon - complete human error - crime - desire
>afternoon: electra - revenge - expiation - punishment
>with the eumenides dusk falls; at the end fully night: the young men escort the appeased,
>reconciled daemons of revenge in torchlight procession to their nocturnal place of rest.
t. wagner

[Anonymous No.19869691]

>>19869541
It was a safe endeavor, he took no risks that could end his career, perhaps slow it but that is about it. Few cast off tradition to the extent Glass did, he essentially started from zero, he only had a handful of composers to really build upon and they were not exactly known and were spread throughout the world.

I can compare what ever I want to compare, and in the context used it is perfectly reasonable. Regardless of my feelings about Glass, it is very difficult not to admire what he accomplished and that was the point of the sentence, not the comparison. It is moronic and arrogant to assume someone to be ignorant just because they do not agree with you, I know all about the war of the romantics.

[Anonymous No.19869760]

>>19869634
awesome. good post thanks for sharing. where is this from?

[Anonymous No.19869952]

>>19869691
Quite obviously you don't know all about the war of the romantics if you think everything Wagner did was a safe endeavour. Practically everything he did wasn't a safe endeavour. Escaping from debtors, trying to make his mark in Paris with no money or connections, engaging in revolution and fleeing into exile (if caught he would have ended like his friend Rockel in 13 years), writing practically unperformable operas when he needed successes, inviting new enemies with every polemic, building the largest free standing timber structure in the world for his own festival and having a deficit of 150,000 marks after it all, etc. I don't know of any Glass concerts which were interrupted with the riots of an anti-Glassian faction. I also didn't assume you knew nothing about the war of the romantics, 'if you know anything about -insert topic-' is just a throw away phase.


>I can compare what ever I want to compare,
Never said you couldn't, but the conclusion you come to through the comparison is bunk. You don't seem to understand that Wagner couldn't have 'thrown off' tradition anymore than he did. I'm not denying Glass' accomplishments, but he composed music at a time where every notable name was trying to do something completely different in music.

[Anonymous No.19870146]

>>19869691
>>19869452
Jewish brainlet

>>19869952
>>19869541
Aryan chad

[Anonymous No.19870164]

>>19869952
You still can not see the point and past a perceived insult towards your hero.

[Anonymous No.19870222]

>>19865859
Based commie gobbledygook recogniser

[Anonymous No.19870223]

>>19870164
>You still can not see the point
I've already agreed with you on it, what I disagree with you on is confusing Glass' separation from the common practice period with a greater innovation than anything in the common practice period.

>past a perceived insult towards your hero.
Stop acting like a child, just accept that you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.19870239]

>>19870164
Wagner experienced commercial success, your apparent metric by which Phillip Glass is some great artist, with his early works, especially Rienzi, and if he'd gone the Phillip Glass route would have just kept pumping out these manufactured, digestible operas that sold tickets.

Instead he started to create real art, spontaneous products of his artistic intuition. A massive risk that took him through all the trouble the other poster outlined.

[Anonymous No.19870278]

>>19869634
Proteus was a satyr play and not part of the story.