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>LOOK HOW SMART I AM! I MADE A GREEK MYTHOLOGY REFERENCE!
why is every book made before the XIX century like this?

>> No.19855656

It’s a precursor to modern day filters for texts. If you didn’t fuck with the classics, you were likely a descendant from the Jebusites and had somehow avoided your righteous smiting.

>> No.19855667

>>19855641
Because the world ended with Alexander. Everything after his gracefully youthful death is just the dying throes of a world coming to rest. Those references are the memoirs of that world.

>> No.19855762

>>19855641
>classiclet cope
we harvest your tears, that's why

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>>19855641
>LOOK HOW SMART I AM! I MADE A REFERENCE TO A MEME
Why are children born in the third millennium like this?

>> No.19856162

>>19855641
Good fuck those coloring attemps always turn out so ugly. Trajan's for example looks like a giant fag.

>> No.19856251

>>19855641
The point of referencing myth and literature is to invite comparison and create broader meanings through contextual comparison.

>> No.19856270

>>19855641
Every literate person in those times would have been familiar with Greek classics. Opaque references didn't become a display of how educated you were until the masses became literate.

>> No.19856277

>>19856270
>the masses became illiterate
You can’t be serious

>> No.19856710
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>>19855641
>talking about the Greeks
>Post Caesar statue who was ... not Greek

>> No.19856715

>>19856277
Your "quote" says the exact opposite of what I typed

>> No.19856729

>>19856270
>>19856277
>>19856715
This is the spirit of every argument on this board - distilled to its very essence. Incredible.

>> No.19856754

>>19856277
>terveisin, the masses

>> No.19856856

>>19856277
This is definitive proof that no one on this board actually reads

>> No.19856895

>>19856710
>talks about a Caesar statue
>It's actually Augustus
Embarrassing post.

>> No.19856919

>>19856895
To be fair, it's Augustus posing as a Greek patrician to secure votes from people who would otherwise consider him a pleb equestrian and too Latin to be named Caesar.

>> No.19856926

>>19856919
>posing as a Greek patrician to secure votes from people who would otherwise consider him a pleb equestrian and too Latin to be named Caesar.
Anon what the fuck are you talking about. There was nothing but disdain for people born outside Rome at the time, Greeks were used as accountant and teachers for youth.

>> No.19856955

>>19856926
>what is the pleb patrician language divide
You're fucking retarded, don't make posts here.

>> No.19856976

>>19856955
He wasn't posing as a greek patrician at all anon, being knowledgeable in greek culture was highly regarded, but being "too latin" was not a problem at all.

>> No.19856997

>>19856919
>Augustus
>securing votes
>wanting to appear culturally Greek
>too Latin to be named Caesar

This is the dumbest shit I've seen here all day.

>> No.19857007

>>19856976
He is posing as a Greek patrician. The statue is a work of propaganda. Why the fuck do you think he has Mark Zuckerberg's haircut?

>> No.19857032

>>19857007
That haircut was hardly exotic in more. I don't see how you connect that to wanting to be Greek.
There's nothing even inherently Greek about his pose, roman busts usually have some Greek origin because roman culture is inspired a lot by Greek culture, but I can't imagine a roman emperor posing as a Greek to gain consensus, it would achieve the opposite effect.
As I said, roman nobility had nothing but contempt to anyone born outside of more, let alone outside of the Italian peninsula.

>> No.19857042

>>19856997
>statue marks the return to Hellenic from the Republican period of sculpture
>also knows nothing about Augustus getting approval from the senate
>Surely they were always god emperors
>This statue could have nothing to do with that change
Wew lad if you're not samefag as this >>19856976 retard, you just dug a bigger hole than he did faster.

>> No.19857062

>>19857032
>why did this statue change his haircut?
Idk anon it's almost like if you knew things about the mores of Roman society at the time and the objectives of Augustus at the time of its comission it would be one of the first point you would be familiar with. Kinda like a basic knowledge of the statue's context might be important.

>> No.19857075

>>19857042
>statue marks the return to Hellenic from the Republican period of sculpture
Anon, during the republican era they literally contracted greek artists to make the statues.
What the fuck are you talking about.
Also, Augustus did get senate approval after taking power, but the fact that he got this approval by posing as a Greek is the most inane thing I've read today.

>> No.19857089

>>19857075
Are you trying to say that republican era statues turned out looking Greek because the sculptors were Greek? That's rather special.

>> No.19857111

>>19857089
>Are you trying to say that republican era statues turned out looking Greek because the sculptors were Greek?
Yes?
At no point after the monarchy and before the start of the decline of the empire did the Romans abandon Hellenic art.
https://a1084-2586203.cluster8.canvas-user-content.com/courses/1084~200544/files/1084~2586203/course%20files/09-Roman-Republican/Roman%20Republican%20Architecture%20and%20Sculpture?download=1&inline=1
Art before Augustus was made in the same style, you are making an absurd claim.
And about the haircut I don't even know what to say, what's so Greek about it? How was that an uncommon hairstyle in more?

>> No.19857157

>>19857111
>Art before Augustus was made in the same style
It wasn't. Look at statues of Julius Caesar and you'll see a marked difference. Or you will if you're basically informed on statuary in the eras in question, but then you'd already know this statue as an examplar.
>the haircut I don't even know what to say, what's so Greek about it
It's not a pleb Latin horseboy's. Those don't become gods.

>> No.19857178

>>19857157
>It's not a pleb Latin horseboy's
Never said it was, but I imagine it was pretty common in roman nobility at the time.
Post a source or I have no reason to believe otherwise.
>Look at statues of Julius Caesar and you'll see a marked difference
You are free to post these statues and explain how they were not Hellenic in style.

>> No.19857192

>>19857178
>I imagine it was pretty common in roman nobility at the time
It's almost like he's pretending to be just like them. For some political reason perhaps.
>You're free to spoonfeed me
I'm also free to laugh at you for being ignorant.

>> No.19857223

>>19857192
>It's almost like he's pretending to be just like them.
Yes, like the roman nobility, not like the Greeks, you fucking inbred.
There was nothing "too Latin" about it.
>You're free to spoonfeed me
No, you are free to back your egregious claim with facts, otherwise I can just laugh at you for being delusional.

>> No.19857258

>>19857223
>Yes, like the roman nobility, not like the Greeks, you fucking inbred.
You mean the Greek speaking nobility would look at that statue and think, gosh, he looks like us and not like a Latin pleb horseboy? I hope that's what young Augustus had in mind. Yes there are obvious jokes at the expense of your ignorance in this response which I have to make you aware of now. Because you won't get them and know why I laughed so hard, I have to tell you there is a great punchline about you being a retard at "young". Just FYI since you like being spoonfeed information that you could verify independently.

>> No.19857266

>>19857258
>the Greek speaking nobility
At the time speaking Greek was useful since it was the worldwide language, but in the senate they spoke Latin, you fucking moron.
You must be a Greek nationalist with delusional ideas.
Also the burden on the proof is on you, especially when a quick research already reveals I'm right.
>>19857111
At least on the sculpture aspect.

>> No.19857272

>>19857266
>At the time speaking Greek was useful since it was the worldwide language, but in the senate they spoke Latin, you fucking moron.
Oh yeah I forgot class wasn't a problem in Rome at the time.

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>>19855667
Is drinking yourself into an early grave all that 'graceful'?

>> No.19857321

>be OP
>make thread about classical gatekeeping
>classicists show up to gatekeep classical gatekeeping
I love you sometimes /lit/

>> No.19857327

>>19857309
If you get to take as many baths and boypussi as him, yeah.

>> No.19857405

>>19857272
I... what?
Anon I genuinely don't understand what the fuck are you saying.

>> No.19857418

6'0 vs 5'11

>> No.19857426

>>19857405
Do I need to use sarcasm tags for you?

>> No.19857444

>>19856270
>>19856277
>>19856715
Lmao

>> No.19857452

>>19857426
I understand sarcasm, I don't understand how that relates at all to what I said.
When the fuck did I claim class wasn't a concern in Rome? What the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.19857495

>>19857452
>, I don't understand how that relates at all to what I said.
Yes, that is the kind of ignorance I am making fun of with the sarcastic comment. You have identified where the joke was.

>> No.19857500

>>19857495
You are only making a fool of yourself, I seriously hope you are 15 or something.

>> No.19857541

>>19857500
>spoonfeed me you fool!
No.

>> No.19857584

>>19857541
I did my reasearch, and it proved you wrong. It was only logical for you to offer a counter argument. At this point you are just a lost cause, and I have to wonder if you are just a genius master shitposter and you are just baiting.

>> No.19857624

>>19857584
>I googled to confirm my bias
>It's not fair that history doesn't support my bias
It is funny, though. Especially the part where you think me not spoonfeeding you means that knowledge which has proven inaccessible to you is inaccessible to everyone, rather than freely available information anyone interested in the subject would know or easily find.

>> No.19857629

>>19855641
did mr. bean paint right pic or what

>> No.19857631

>>19857624
>I won't provide any proof to my claims, this means I'm right
/pol/ was a mistake.

>> No.19857649

>>19857631
>I'll hope history stops existing
>then I won't have to worry about other people learning it
Good luck with that. /pol/ might want to help you out though.

>> No.19857713

>>19856277
Clearly, you are in fact illiterate.

>> No.19857799

>>19855667
Was this the peak lads?

>> No.19857889

What a disaster this thread is

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>>19857327
Good point.

>> No.19858167

>>19856919

Being a Grecophile worked out great for Scipio