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19853740 No.19853740 [Reply] [Original]

All Tomorrows made me overcome all that was left from my /pol/ phase. I unironically think this book makes a stellar case for cosmopolitanism and accelerationalism alike.
Nationalism really needs to be overcome if we are to explore and colonize space.

>> No.19853815

>>19853740
>in the book humanity colonizes space and looses all sense of humanity
>"GUYS THIS BOOK TEACHES THAT WE NEED TO EGZPLORE SPACE :DDDD"
its the other way around retard

>> No.19853828

>>19853815
uhm sweaty yes you could act like a buffoon on the internet but you also could have just read the last pages where the author literally *clap* explains *clap* his *clap* intent

exploring space is inevitable, honey, you think were just going to stay here and worry about ecological scarcity for ever?

god gooosh the people on this site

>> No.19853829

>>19853740
>overcomes his /pol/ phase with a even worse ideology than that of wignat bs
Holy shit anon. If you're gonna read, at least read more than one shitty book on romanticizing space exploration. Even if /lit/ definitely are less rw and reductionist than /pol/, we still adhore logical positivism and reddit space fantasies

>> No.19853833

>>19853828
>literally *clap* explains *clap* his *clap* intent
I have never understood this meme, is it one of those ebonics things?

>> No.19853843

>>19853833
It is so that slow people can tell apart the words. They then try to reconcile them into a sentence in their heads. It makes them understand difficult concepts more easily.
Black people invented it, of course

>> No.19853851

>>19853829
>romantizing space exploration
"I didnt read that book but I throw around big words" - the post

cant tell you to go back, you really embody this board

>> No.19853893

>>19853740
I'm not a fan, in fact most people /pol/ idolize were champions of empires and superstates, and were the farthest thing from nationalism you could think of. I don't know where people somehow get the idea "all of the right" supports nationalism.

>> No.19853894

>>19853740
This book is great. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Don't let the retards replying to you fool you.

>> No.19853895

>>19853833
its an SJW BIPOC zoomerfro type of speak I only get from androgynous mutts with that stupid haircut and skinny jeans

>> No.19853896

>>19853829
>we still adhore
unironically kill yourself

>> No.19853905

>>19853851
It is romanticizing if it convinced op yo overthrow his previous ideology in favour of space colonisation. The benefits of the latter are purely speculative and therefore romanticised with nice rhetoric and maybe some selective studies. I'm not going to waste my time reading that crap. Op is obviously still in his young adult ages and is impressionable (how else did infographics on /pol/ convince him to become a wignat) and has just began reading actual books, in which he left his old ideology for a new one based on one book with some pretty arguments. It's just vanity, just like Faustian man's dreams of space colonisation. Now fuck off and read some actual political philosophy

>> No.19853916

>>19853896
Wow I made a typo typing on my phone. So clever of you to notice. Fuck off you disgusting cryptoanglo mutt

>> No.19853963

/lit/ is a Qu board.

>> No.19853980

>>19853740
>I unironically think this book makes a stellar case for cosmopolitanism and accelerationalism alike.
>Nationalism really needs to be overcome if we are to explore and colonize space.
I kinda understand why people hate zoomers when you think that every book that requires an IQ of over 100 to read is some kind of political manifesto. Imagine thinking that this book makes a "case" for anything.

Btw you were always a faggot and everyone on /pol/ thought so as well.

>> No.19854145

>>19853905
It didn't overthrow my previous ideology on favour of space colonisation. Space colonisation is, I think, inevitable, but I thought that before All Tomorrows. I'm saying that this book made me aware that to go the next civilizational step it is necessary to throw some "earthly" concepts overboard.

>>19853905
>>19853980
also you both obviously didn't bother to read the book else you would have noticed that the book makes this exact case. Again it doesn't say "wow we should go out there", that is a conclusion you would already have reached if you got in touch with a little bit of STEM. Instead the book tries to get a bigger picture on our sense of humanity in, say, times of space exploration.
Now go back to complain about how no one on this book actually reads you pseuds

>> No.19854186

>>19853740
Spacecucks are the cringyiest group of people. Their beliefs hold the same material value as any religion. We can't control the climate and biosphere of OUR OWN PLANET, we can't even "colonize" our deserts and mountains, we have no idea what lies beneath our oceans, we can't do anything with Africa and most of Asia but SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY we will magically be able MAKE oxygen out of nothing but chucking water, plants and bacteria on a planet that cannot sustain any of those things. Maybe we will after a few hundred years but thinking that we we can become the masters of a different planet when we can't even control our own is incredebly presumptious.

>> No.19854193

>>19853740
Low IQ bait.

>> No.19854202

>>19853740
I'm glad you were un-brainwashed. Welcome to reality.

>> No.19854205

>>19853833
Don't worry about it. It's beyond your incel comprehension.

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19854210

>>19854186
oh shit, youre right, let me call jeff, lol we can save so much money thanks to your insights

i honestly thought more of this board. how can you be so scientifically illiterate?!
of course we cannot control this planet, that is why we HAVE to explore space. there are so many resources out there, we depend on them, and earth is not gonna reliable and sustainable forever

>> No.19854230

>>19854186
>Spacecucks are the cringyiest group of people
yes, also the most influential and richest people tend to be among them

>Their beliefs hold the same material value as any religion
projecting

>We can't control the climate and biosphere of OUR OWN PLANET, we can't even "colonize" our deserts and mountains, we have no idea what lies beneath our oceans, we can't do anything with Africa and most of Asia
You fool, everything electronic device you own is produced in both africa and asio

>SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY we will magically be able MAKE oxygen out of nothing but chucking water, plants and bacteria on a planet that cannot sustain any of those things.
See, we chose a different path: we dont chug these things on planets on hope for the best. instead we look for a planet that may be inhabitable. there are only so many elements in this universe, its not unthinkable, that other spheres can be inhabited, or at least used for mining. It doesnt even have to be that organic either, all we need is a not too extreme temperature.

>Maybe we will after a few hundred years
See? You're not seeing the big picture.

You oviously didn't think this through, theres different aspects of space travel. Your conflating settling and colonizing. We don't grass and small little alien animals to live there. Also don't forget we were on the moon already.

>> No.19854250

>>19854210
Yeah yeah. Most countries can't use their own fucking mines and rossources because of crazed lawmakers but I'm sure that space mining will work out well if we JUST spent gorillions of dollars on expeditions that could very well produce nothing. What if those planets have nothing of use? And even if they do, what will be done about distribution? What if wars break out over space territory?This is why so many people hate sciencecucks. They never care about the consequencess of their endevours.

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19854260

>>19854250
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining

i sincerely dont understand what the alternative would be?
now be a climate change denier or not, we know that sooner or later there is a high chance of drastic change, ice age or heat wave or whatever it may be.
now you even say yourself we cant control this planet.
also we use more resources than earth can reproduce. of course there is no way to live in harmony with mother earth, no magic balance. so what are we going to do? just wait for the end?

>> No.19854266

>>19854250
Not him but you sound like a complete retard.
>what if conflicts start over resources?
Because this never happened on earth, right? What even is your argument? That 100% of scientific development should be dedicated towards "mastering" earth to whatever arbitrary degree before any resources can be out towards anything else? Does that actually sound logical to your sperg brain?

>> No.19854273

>>19854230
>yes, also the most influential and richest people tend to be among them
Rich people have extravagant, wastefull spending habbits, who would've thought??
>projecting
cope
>You fool, everything electronic device you own is produced in both africa and asio
Coping reductionism.
>See, we chose a different path: we dont chug these things on planets on hope for the best. instead we look for a planet that may be inhabitable
Good luck getting in and out of our galaxy.
>You oviously didn't think this through, theres different aspects of space travel. Your conflating settling and colonizing. We don't grass and small little alien animals to live there. Also don't forget we were on the moon already.
I can see the usefulness of mere exploration but from this to colonies/harvesting ressources is a long, long way.

>> No.19854304

>>19854250
>Op claims we need to overcome current political systems for certain goal
>”we shouldn’t!!! There’s existing political systems”

Many such cases

>> No.19854307

>>19854260
>something something nuclear energy
>something something starve India and China until they change their ways
>something something make recyicling real and not just a matketing ploy
>something something force americans to take out all their thrash from the ocean
Now I'm not saying that any of those things are a final solution but they are more feasable and cheap than space harvesting in the near future. At this rate this planet will perish long before anythi g will come out of space exploration.

>> No.19854315

>>19854266
>That 100% of scientific development should be dedicated towards "mastering" earth to whatever arbitrary degree before any resources can be out towards anything else? Does that actually sound logical to your sperg brain?
Yes. It sounds much more realistic than stumbling on the "solution" in space.

>> No.19854348

>>19854230
>defending the merchentile elite
take your cringefest to reddit. Nobody likes you

>> No.19854381

>>19853740
>he doesn't know that Russia has already claimed Venus and America is claiming mars
Space colonization will merely be the next step in national pride and to safely export our wars away from earth, much like the Europeans did during their colonial period.

>> No.19854488

>>19854205
Project

>> No.19854494

>>19854210
Retard

>> No.19854500

>>19853740
>we should make life worse so it can get even worse in the future
b8

>> No.19854570

>>19853828
>the author had this intend so it must be only seen like this
Yeah, and the old horror movies had the intend to be scare but ended up being funny as hell. So I should act scared instead of laughing
Fucking idiot

>> No.19854648

>>19854570
anybody know any good boards? im cant bear this much longer

>> No.19854775

>>19853916
that's not a typo and it's not the phone's fault. the words "abhor" and "adhere" have simply merged into one into your retard brain and you should kill yourself. you should kill yourself again for posting from a phone, and a third and final time for using the first person plural to express your faggot opinions

>> No.19854832

>>19854648
/his/, /mu/, /ck/ are the ones I mostly browse

>> No.19854844

>>19853740
>overcome all that was left from my /pol/ phase
good job anon, I'm proud of you. Doesn't matter how you did it, it's just nice that you did.
Hyper-focusing on retarded internet politics is a waste of time

>> No.19854903

>>19854145
>human nature will somehow be different in LE SPAAYSSE

>> No.19855385

>>19853740
>Nationalism really needs to be overcome if we are to explore and colonize space
Your surname ends with berg or stein?

>> No.19855599
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19855599

>>19854145
>next civilizational step

>> No.19855752

>>19854202
>>19853894
>>19854844
wholesome

>>19855599
>>19854903
>>19854500
>>19855385
chuds you have no power over me anymore im free

>> No.19856982
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>>19853740
This book is pure fiction...its is foolish to base your view on it while the historical record contradicts you at every turn...

>> No.19857349

>>19853740
>Nationalism really needs to be overcome if we are to explore and colonize space.
You fucking retard lol
You think niggers and pakis are going to help us colonize space???

>> No.19857954

>>19853740
Divisive nationalism does need to be overcome, and racial differences need to be eliminated for us to conquer the stars, I agree. That’s why we need a single nation to conquer the entire planet, and then exterminate the inferior races. We will never travel the stars as long as their are differences to fight over, and mewling liberal ideology, or transhumanism are not real solutions.

>> No.19858105
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19858105

>>19853740
All Tomorrows is just a shitty Dougal Dixon ripoff, it barely even counts as a book. Pic related is your future if you fall for the space exploration meme.

>> No.19858345

>>19858105
>Food creature
I’m hungry now

>> No.19858474

>>19853740
We need to destroy our current diversity of phenotypes (races) and make everyone look like almost the same and we also need to make everyone equally intelligent. /pol/ frens agree with me.

>> No.19858521

>>19857954
Genetic engineering is already a thing chud

>> No.19858589

>>19853740
You're 18.

>> No.19858603

>>19858105
>Pic related is your future if you fall for the space exploration meme
We can do better than that.
https://youtu.be/_FoaomccQJY

>> No.19858607

>>19853828
>>19854210
>literally *clap* explains *clap* his *clap* intent
God, you are nothing, you are a waste of space. If I was you I would make myself a rope necklace.

>> No.19858858

>>19858521
Not a solution, since there are still fundamental biological differences between different human populations, an African is still an African even if you engineer his IQ to be equal to a European. And the idea that we’ll just biologically engineer wildly different populations to all be the same, and magically equal is a pipe dream, chud.

>> No.19858903

>>19858858
>Not a solution, since there are still fundamental biological differences between different human populations, an African is still an African even if you engineer his IQ to be equal to a European
Like what? muuh blacks be natural criminalz n shiet?
>And the idea that we’ll just biologically engineer wildly different populations
Is entirely feasible & possible

>> No.19858980

>>19858903
>Like what? muuh blacks be natural criminalz n shiet?
There’s a reason blacks with a higher iq in the upper middle class still commit more crimes in western societies than poor white trash in the boonies. The truth of the matter is that criminality isn’t just “low IQ” behavior, but a complex phenomena with many different sources for its cause, some reasons are environmental and economic, and a large part of them are genetic. Every aspect of a person’s genetic code determines their behavior, it isn’t as simple as problem solving ability. Two equally intelligent people in the exact same economic circumstances can live totally different lives.

But that’s besides the point, Chinese for example are just as intelligent as Europeans, yet their racial character is still wholly different. Not only would their very existence be divisive towards the goal of a unified mankind, but their immoral, sociopathic ways, which haven’t changed for thousands of years, also make them unworthy to inherit the universe.
>Is entirely feasible & possible
No, not without getting a totalitarian state to forcibly edit every person’s genes to get rid of what makes them unique anyway. Forcing mothers to bear children they have nothing in common with. Which is tantamount to genocide too, sterilization is arguably more humane at that point.

>> No.19858996

>>19854844
cringe

>> No.19859019

>>19853740
>>19853828
>>19854145
>>19854210
>>19854260
>>19854230
>cosmopolitanism
>accelerationism
>climate change
>stemfag
>influential and richest people
You are a CIA agent, or on the payroll of the US government, 90% certain (or you're a bot). Humans have never been to the fucking moon, what makes you think we can colonize planets? No, the earth isn't flat, I know what you're going to accuse me of believing (convenient little conspiracy being pushed to silence opponents, huh?).

You don't have to do this. I doubt you're one of the ruling bloodlines. They can and will discard you like refuse, the same as the rest of us. Is a stable paycheck worth selling your last shred of dignity? Really?
>but anon i'm just one man, what can i do?
Quit your job at Langley or whatever air force base you're stationed at. Punch in your clock or whatever, go home, kiss your wife and kids, and don't go back. Convince your closest friends and coworkers to do the same. Be a good neighbor, buy less crap, throw out spy gadgets and toys, feed yourself and your family real food, organize and protest the tyranny you've helped spread for years.

No one is irredeemable. Not even the elites! All it takes is a change of heart, a real change, and you can and will be forgiven. But it has to be real and genuine. Just quit your job, agent. Do it for yourself and your family's future.

>> No.19859054

>>19858980
Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut comes to mind whenever I hear these arguments about the possibilities of equity

>> No.19859278

>>19859019
>Humans have never been to the fucking moon,
Didn't read. You're a gullible narcissistic schizo.

>> No.19859371

Why is colonizing space a goal that is to be achieved?

>> No.19859383

>>19853740
Welcome, friend. Let's fight for a better tomorrow.

>> No.19859402

>>19859371
We'll eventually go extinct if we stay here and intelligent life is too precious to disappear like that.

>> No.19859465

The absolute state of Spacecucks.

>> No.19859488

>>19853740
lol
What more is there to say?

>> No.19859841

>>19859402
Intelligent life is a spook, if we have one thing to do with space is to blow up the sun, nullifying any possible life in our proximity, just to auto-demonstrate our power in a destructive, wastefull way.

>> No.19859854

>>19859019
Lithium.

>> No.19859866

>>19853740
Tribalism will never fade away, even when we colonize the other planets it will make a huge comeback. You might replace ethnicity as the pillar like many other state like organizations but you will still remain identitarian. I am not convinced that replacing ethnicity with culture or ideology will produce a less violent or more meaningful dogma. You don't choose your family but you still do your best to value them and accept them i believe ethnicity is the only think that can unite people on diferent cognitive development.

>> No.19859870

space colonization will never happen.
It's literally impossible for 21st century human to repeat the moon landing due to absence of qualified personnel.
Space trash is accumulating around our atmosphere making it more dangerous to send space rockets outside every year, becoming exponentially impossible to leave the earth even to reach the ISS

>> No.19859882

>>19859870
>literally impossible for 21st century human to repeat the moon landing due to absence of qualified personnel.
Retardation, only a fool could believe this. Flat earth tier

>> No.19860876

>>19859870
I hope the Artemis program succeeds so we can finally shut your fucking mouths about the moon landing once and for all. Fucking gullible monkeys

>> No.19860909

>>19860876
did you understand what I said?
>>19859882
It's literally impossible to repeat what we did in the 60s, yes
in case you didn't realize the western world degraded intellectually a lot in the last 60 years

>> No.19860955

>>19859866
>i believe ethnicity is the only think that can unite people on diferent cognitive development.
It's funny that the people I hear talk most about tribalism are often the most isolated people you can find.
No, you are not tribalist, no one in the first world is, we don't even know the name of our neighbours anymore, we are all isolated and atomized cogs in a system who only go out every now and then to consume.
And to think that we actually have a shared identity because of ethnicity is just retarded.

>> No.19861309

>>19860955
>No, you are not tribalist, no one in the first world is, we don't even know the name of our neighbours anymore
Projecting, I know my neighbours quite well, my neighbour on my right side was a sweet old lady who had breast cancer, and would always try to give me money when I helped her out while she was going through chemo. My neighbours on my left side are a very nice family who would invite us to dinner with them often. And then I know the names of my neighbours a few doors down as well. Just because you are a loser that no one in your neighbourhood wants to know doesn't mean everyone is.

>> No.19861748

>>19853740
>Nationalism really needs to be overcome if we are to explore and colonize space.
what if i told you we would have already colonized space if there werent constant issues due to the modern heterogeneic society?

>> No.19862223

>>19859019
meds

>> No.19862232

>>19861748
>what if i told you we would have already colonized space if there werent constant issues due to the modern heterogeneic society?

thats exactly what i said in the op

>> No.19862239

>>19861309
>55% of the world population lives in cities
>noooo urbanisation is not a thing, my neighbours invited me to dinner once
talking about projecting, huh?

>> No.19862282

>Gets hyped about mining
How cringe can you be?
Did people get hype about muh x mile long digging machine as well in the past?

Seriously retarded.

>> No.19862433

>>19853740
Nationalism has failed anyways because it's not racist enough.

>> No.19862489

>>19862282
>hyped about
>cringe
>muh x mile
bruh you need to get off the internet for a while

>> No.19862559

>>19862489
fr fr no cap

>> No.19862590

>>19853828
Left cannot meme.

>> No.19863877

>>19858105
Fuuuuuck, I wish they would print new editions so this book wasn't $500

>> No.19863991

>>19862232
It's literally the opposite of what you said. That anon is implying that hypernationalism is a solution, not a problem.
No wonder a shitty self-published 'found history' sci-fi novel changed your political viewpoints. You can barely read.

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>>19853828
you remind me of the folks on /ic/ never posting proof.

>> No.19865261

>>19853740
Is that a Minecraft testificate?

>> No.19865275

>>19861748
This. Imagine the scramble for space if international law broke down and the countries of the world had to hustle to get their moonbase to drop rocks on their enemies.

>> No.19866391

>>19859019
basado

>> No.19866444

>>19859019
You're a mentally ill and frustrated incel. The world has moved on. Touch grass.