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19842033 No.19842033 [Reply] [Original]

A book is only great if it contains all nine conflicts.
Don Quixote is the only great book.

>> No.19842039
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>>19842033
>He doesn't know

>> No.19842046

>>19842033
My diary contains all 9 desu

>> No.19842060

>>19842039
Gardner is more like man vs. author's inability to write, or man vs. author's overwhelming mediocrity. There's nothing postmodern about him. It's just excessively poor writing.

>> No.19842076

>>19842060
>postmodern
already retroactively refuted AND superseded by Gardner (pbuh). if you had read gardner you would need that he does not rely upon the obsolete "postmodern" tradition, but instead post-postmodernism, or metamodernism. Gardnerchads just keep winning.

>> No.19842081

>>19842076
He's so ahead of his time... how does he do it?

>> No.19842083

>>19842076
There's nothing "meta" about writing poorly.

>> No.19842097
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>>19842083
If I write so poorly, then how come I sell so many copies???

>> No.19842107

>>19842033
What is the Man vs God/Man vs No God conflict in Don Quixote? The other ones I can kinda see.

>> No.19842109

>>19842081
By reading the complete works of Homer, Pindar, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripides, Hesiod, Aristophanes, Herodotus, Arrian, Thucydides, Sappho, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil, Lucretius, Arisoto, Horace, St. Augustine, Marcus Aurelius, Rabelais, Dante, Petrarch, Tasso, Bruno, Boccaccio, Leopardi, Machiavelli, Luther, Cervantes, Chaucer, the Beowulf poet, Chretien de Troyes, Marie de France, Sterne, Burton, Browne, Spenser, Wyatt, Sidney, Herbert, Percy Shelley, Tennyson, Donne, Pope, Dryden, Bacon, Novalis, Schelling, Schlegels, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Pascal, Lichtenberg, Dickinson, Shakespeare, Ibsen, Strindberg, Dickens, Marlowe, Diderot, Jonson, Potocki, Goethe, Bunyan, Gibbon, Addison, Smollett, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, Emerson, Quincey, Burke, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hume, Kant, Mary Shelley, Wollstonecraft, Racine, Baudelaire, Valery, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Moliere, Montaigne, Browning, Gray, Holderlin, Schiller, Shaw, Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac, Zola, Colette, Duras, Dumas, Stendhal, Nerval, Flaubert, Mallarme, Malraux, Chateaubriand, Artaud, Poe, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Byron, Keats, Arnold, Pater, Walter Scott, Swinburne, Thackeray, Rossetti, Carroll, William James, Henry James, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Dewey, Bergson, Whitehead, George Eliot, Williams, Frost, Cummings, Crane, Stevens, Whitman, Hughes, Plath, Trakl, Rilke, Celan, Montale, Neruda, Lorca, Tagore, Manzoni, Peake, Murdoch, Wharton, Wilde, Faulkner, O'Connor, Passos, Nietzsche, Adorno, Bloch, Lukacs, Bakhtin, Hamsun, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Chekhov, Andreyev, Bely, Bulgakov, Gonchorov, Camoes, Pessoa, Queiroz, Saramago, Paz, Borges, Bloy, Pirandello, Huysmans, Lautreamont, Schwob, Casares, Bolano, Cortazar, Lima, Donoso, de Assis, Carpentier, Celine, Marquez, Unamuno, Gracq, Gide, Jarry, Camus, Conrad, Wells, Hardy, Salinger, Anderson, Ford, Maugham, Lawrence, Forster, Hrabal, Swift, Bronte, Woolf, Bachelard, Roussel, Beckett, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce, O'Brien, Yeats, Waugh, Heaney, Pinter, Auden, Hofmannsthal, Mann, Musil, Broch, Zweig, Bachmann, Jelinek, Lessing, Laxness, Simenon,Svevo, Levi, Buzzati, Quasimodo, Moravia, Llosa, Walser, Kafka, Babel, Schulz, Transtromer, Kertesz, Pavic, Andric, Grossmann, Linna, Mahfouz, Boll, Grass, Canetti, Pavese, Robbe-Grillet, Blanchot, Perec, Queneau, Calvino, Bernhard, Gass, Barth, Gaddis, Vollmann, Vidal, Hawkes, DeLillo, Pynchon, McCarthy, McElroy, Soseki, Murasaki, Shonagon, Kawabata, Mishima, Akutagawa, Tanizaki, Dazai, Oe, Xingjian, Yan, Kosztolanyi, Gombrowicz, Ishiguro, Eco, Coetzee, Auerbach, Benjamin, Barthes, Pasternak, Derrida, de Man, Kristeva, Deleuze, Bateson, Foucault, Lyotard, Mcluhan, Eichenbaum, Davenport, Steiner, Munro, Carson, Handke, Arno Schmidt, Therouxs, Patrick White, Alfau, Marias, Enard, Claude Simon, Robinson, Elizabeth Bishop, Markson, Lowry, Bellow, Dara, Churchward, and Marx.

>> No.19842115

>>19842076
When I read Gardner a year ago it was memorable just because of how stupid it was.

I read Call of the Crocodile but instead of going on to Arcade which is the next most memed one I might do a random weird one like Kappa or Limbo's Rainbow.

>> No.19842251

Man versus author?

Like some cringe YA novel shit? Any legit examples of this?

>> No.19842277

>>19842251
Finnegans Wake

>> No.19842478

>>19842076
"Post" and "meta" both mean "after".

>> No.19842668

>>19842033
>not posting the donald duck version
NGMI

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>>19842033

>> No.19842783

>>19842107
Not OP but
>man vs man
Has to be the conflicting personalities of DQ vs Sancho. A simpler example might be DQ's fight with a fake knight, twice
>Man vs God
>Man vs No God
>Man vs Technology
These ones idk

>> No.19842807

>>19842251
Man vs Author is a one way ticket to hilarity.

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>>19842675
kek deserves a higher quality version

>> No.19842983

>>19842251
Redshirts

>> No.19843005

>>19842783
Man vs Technology would be with Quijote facing the fact that he´s trying to be a knight in a time were powder guns start taking over, so swords and that sort of weapons start to became useless.

>> No.19843007

>>19843005
I don't think a single firearm shows up in the book.

>> No.19843020

>>19842033
what's this numale shit

>> No.19843037

>>19843007
Yes, there has been, check chapter XXXVIII.
"Que trata del curioso discurso que hizo don Quijote de las armas y las letras".

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>>19842109

>> No.19844256

>>19842033
>no "Man against No Reality"
>no "Man against No Author"

>> No.19844258

>>19842046
Post diary or GTFO

>> No.19844263

>>19844256
Sounds like I just found my next novel.

>> No.19844276

>>19844256
>Man against No Author
Show me a book without a writer

>> No.19844278

>>19844258
No, I don't want you to steal my diary and publish it as your novella.

>> No.19844282

>>19842251
Some conflicts are inherently more interesting than others. Man vs. Author will always be the least interesting.

>> No.19844298

>>19842033
The author created the characters and the world in the book, so man vs author is the same conflict as man vs god.
There are thus only 8 conflicts worth talking about.

>> No.19844584

>>19842675
The thing that bothers me is that Daffy is both man, god and nature in this grid

>> No.19844585

man vs w/e 9 conflicts bullshit is the dumbest analysis in fucking literature why do people still talk about this

>> No.19844642

>>19844584
Comic characters are more powerful than any force in the universe since their chief energy source, ridicule, cannot be exhausted

>> No.19844996

>>19842033
How is Man vs Tech postmodern? Is Terminator postmodern?

>> No.19845043

>>19844996
The two to it's left (man vs nature and man vs scoiety) both concern the dominant force controlling the individual in their time. Technology, and the rapid expansion of it's capabilities, happens to be the most accurate thing you could call the dominant force of what we call the postmodern era.

>> No.19846105

>>19844276
The library of Babel

>> No.19846333

>>19845043
Why not government? Very few men actually fight technology. In fact I can only think of Uncle Ted of the top of my head.

>> No.19846679

How is "Man vs Self" and "Man vs No God" different?

>> No.19847462

>>19846679
Man versus self is dualist. Man versus no-god is non-dualist. The Dao that can be known as the Dao is not the Dao.

>> No.19847755

>>19847462
Thanks for clearing that up

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