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Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:04:48 2022 No.19842033 [Reply] [Original]

A book is only great if it contains all nine conflicts.
Don Quixote is the only great book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:07:19 2022 No.19842039 File: 57 KB, 388x525, gardner.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19842033 >He doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:11:42 2022 No.19842046 >>19842033 My diary contains all 9 desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:16:10 2022 No.19842060 >>19842039 Gardner is more like man vs. author's inability to write, or man vs. author's overwhelming mediocrity. There's nothing postmodern about him. It's just excessively poor writing.

Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:20:19 2022 No.19842076

>>19842060
>postmodern
already retroactively refuted AND superseded by Gardner (pbuh). if you had read gardner you would need that he does not rely upon the obsolete "postmodern" tradition, but instead post-postmodernism, or metamodernism. Gardnerchads just keep winning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:22:38 2022 No.19842081 >>19842076 He's so ahead of his time... how does he do it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:23:40 2022 No.19842083 >>19842076 There's nothing "meta" about writing poorly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:31:09 2022 No.19842097 File: 395 KB, 3072x1678, nigardner.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19842083 If I write so poorly, then how come I sell so many copies???

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:35:25 2022 No.19842107 >>19842033 What is the Man vs God/Man vs No God conflict in Don Quixote? The other ones I can kinda see.

Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:35:56 2022 No.19842109

>>19842081
By reading the complete works of Homer, Pindar, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripides, Hesiod, Aristophanes, Herodotus, Arrian, Thucydides, Sappho, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil, Lucretius, Arisoto, Horace, St. Augustine, Marcus Aurelius, Rabelais, Dante, Petrarch, Tasso, Bruno, Boccaccio, Leopardi, Machiavelli, Luther, Cervantes, Chaucer, the Beowulf poet, Chretien de Troyes, Marie de France, Sterne, Burton, Browne, Spenser, Wyatt, Sidney, Herbert, Percy Shelley, Tennyson, Donne, Pope, Dryden, Bacon, Novalis, Schelling, Schlegels, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Pascal, Lichtenberg, Dickinson, Shakespeare, Ibsen, Strindberg, Dickens, Marlowe, Diderot, Jonson, Potocki, Goethe, Bunyan, Gibbon, Addison, Smollett, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, Emerson, Quincey, Burke, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hume, Kant, Mary Shelley, Wollstonecraft, Racine, Baudelaire, Valery, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Moliere, Montaigne, Browning, Gray, Holderlin, Schiller, Shaw, Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac, Zola, Colette, Duras, Dumas, Stendhal, Nerval, Flaubert, Mallarme, Malraux, Chateaubriand, Artaud, Poe, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Byron, Keats, Arnold, Pater, Walter Scott, Swinburne, Thackeray, Rossetti, Carroll, William James, Henry James, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Dewey, Bergson, Whitehead, George Eliot, Williams, Frost, Cummings, Crane, Stevens, Whitman, Hughes, Plath, Trakl, Rilke, Celan, Montale, Neruda, Lorca, Tagore, Manzoni, Peake, Murdoch, Wharton, Wilde, Faulkner, O'Connor, Passos, Nietzsche, Adorno, Bloch, Lukacs, Bakhtin, Hamsun, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Chekhov, Andreyev, Bely, Bulgakov, Gonchorov, Camoes, Pessoa, Queiroz, Saramago, Paz, Borges, Bloy, Pirandello, Huysmans, Lautreamont, Schwob, Casares, Bolano, Cortazar, Lima, Donoso, de Assis, Carpentier, Celine, Marquez, Unamuno, Gracq, Gide, Jarry, Camus, Conrad, Wells, Hardy, Salinger, Anderson, Ford, Maugham, Lawrence, Forster, Hrabal, Swift, Bronte, Woolf, Bachelard, Roussel, Beckett, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce, O'Brien, Yeats, Waugh, Heaney, Pinter, Auden, Hofmannsthal, Mann, Musil, Broch, Zweig, Bachmann, Jelinek, Lessing, Laxness, Simenon,Svevo, Levi, Buzzati, Quasimodo, Moravia, Llosa, Walser, Kafka, Babel, Schulz, Transtromer, Kertesz, Pavic, Andric, Grossmann, Linna, Mahfouz, Boll, Grass, Canetti, Pavese, Robbe-Grillet, Blanchot, Perec, Queneau, Calvino, Bernhard, Gass, Barth, Gaddis, Vollmann, Vidal, Hawkes, DeLillo, Pynchon, McCarthy, McElroy, Soseki, Murasaki, Shonagon, Kawabata, Mishima, Akutagawa, Tanizaki, Dazai, Oe, Xingjian, Yan, Kosztolanyi, Gombrowicz, Ishiguro, Eco, Coetzee, Auerbach, Benjamin, Barthes, Pasternak, Derrida, de Man, Kristeva, Deleuze, Bateson, Foucault, Lyotard, Mcluhan, Eichenbaum, Davenport, Steiner, Munro, Carson, Handke, Arno Schmidt, Therouxs, Patrick White, Alfau, Marias, Enard, Claude Simon, Robinson, Elizabeth Bishop, Markson, Lowry, Bellow, Dara, Churchward, and Marx.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 05:39:12 2022 No.19842115 >>19842076 When I read Gardner a year ago it was memorable just because of how stupid it was. I read Call of the Crocodile but instead of going on to Arcade which is the next most memed one I might do a random weird one like Kappa or Limbo's Rainbow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 06:26:32 2022 No.19842251 Man versus author? Like some cringe YA novel shit? Any legit examples of this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 06:31:50 2022 No.19842277 >>19842251 Finnegans Wake

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 07:36:45 2022 No.19842478 >>19842076 "Post" and "meta" both mean "after".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 08:34:00 2022 No.19842668 >>19842033 >not posting the donald duck version NGMI

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 08:36:27 2022 No.19842675 File: 612 KB, 483x596, duck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19842033

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 09:15:44 2022 No.19842783 >>19842107 Not OP but >man vs man Has to be the conflicting personalities of DQ vs Sancho. A simpler example might be DQ's fight with a fake knight, twice >Man vs God >Man vs No God >Man vs Technology These ones idk

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 09:24:01 2022 No.19842807 >>19842251 Man vs Author is a one way ticket to hilarity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 09:35:49 2022 No.19842846 File: 648 KB, 1451x1451, 1609566002632.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19842675 kek deserves a higher quality version

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 10:09:44 2022 No.19842983 >>19842251 Redshirts

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 10:15:28 2022 No.19843005 >>19842783 Man vs Technology would be with Quijote facing the fact that he´s trying to be a knight in a time were powder guns start taking over, so swords and that sort of weapons start to became useless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 10:16:13 2022 No.19843007 >>19843005 I don't think a single firearm shows up in the book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 10:20:39 2022 No.19843020 >>19842033 what's this numale shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 10:24:44 2022 No.19843037 >>19843007 Yes, there has been, check chapter XXXVIII. "Que trata del curioso discurso que hizo don Quijote de las armas y las letras".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 10:56:55 2022 No.19843147 File: 522 KB, 853x1000, 1640157933193.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19842109

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:44:26 2022 No.19844256 >>19842033 >no "Man against No Reality" >no "Man against No Author"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:45:27 2022 No.19844258 >>19842046 Post diary or GTFO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:46:36 2022 No.19844263 >>19844256 Sounds like I just found my next novel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:49:24 2022 No.19844276 >>19844256 >Man against No Author Show me a book without a writer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:50:20 2022 No.19844278 >>19844258 No, I don't want you to steal my diary and publish it as your novella.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:51:30 2022 No.19844282 >>19842251 Some conflicts are inherently more interesting than others. Man vs. Author will always be the least interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 14:53:29 2022 No.19844298 >>19842033 The author created the characters and the world in the book, so man vs author is the same conflict as man vs god. There are thus only 8 conflicts worth talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 15:41:29 2022 No.19844584 >>19842675 The thing that bothers me is that Daffy is both man, god and nature in this grid

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 15:41:50 2022 No.19844585 man vs w/e 9 conflicts bullshit is the dumbest analysis in fucking literature why do people still talk about this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 15:52:18 2022 No.19844642 >>19844584 Comic characters are more powerful than any force in the universe since their chief energy source, ridicule, cannot be exhausted

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 17:01:16 2022 No.19844996 >>19842033 How is Man vs Tech postmodern? Is Terminator postmodern?

Anonymous Mon Jan 31 17:10:13 2022 No.19845043

>>19844996
The two to it's left (man vs nature and man vs scoiety) both concern the dominant force controlling the individual in their time. Technology, and the rapid expansion of it's capabilities, happens to be the most accurate thing you could call the dominant force of what we call the postmodern era.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 20:18:25 2022 No.19846105 >>19844276 The library of Babel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 21:12:08 2022 No.19846333 >>19845043 Why not government? Very few men actually fight technology. In fact I can only think of Uncle Ted of the top of my head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 31 22:33:09 2022 No.19846679 How is "Man vs Self" and "Man vs No God" different?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 1 02:29:43 2022 No.19847462 >>19846679 Man versus self is dualist. Man versus no-god is non-dualist. The Dao that can be known as the Dao is not the Dao.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 1 04:26:53 2022 No.19847755 >>19847462 Thanks for clearing that up

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