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19823052 No.19823052 [Reply] [Original]

The poetry of Walt Whitman is garrulous, ridiculous, and repetitive. He is undoubtedly the most overrated author in the Western Canon and is only worthy of inclusion due to his influence upon American free verse poets.

>> No.19823086

>>19823052
His poetry makes me feel physically ill like I'm being molested on the edge of a precipice.

>> No.19823122

>>19823052
>>19823086
Get filtered

>> No.19823146

Bait is the little-death that brings total oblivion

>> No.19823162

Free verse and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>> No.19823171

>>19823052
Yes.
>>19823086
YES.
>>19823122
>canandian chiclet hands typed this post

>> No.19823339

Besides Homer, (and Shakespeare), Whitman is one of the only poets to ever exist in human history.

Parts are certainly dry and dull and tedious and monotonous, and a slodging chore, but a lot of the heights; brilliance, vision, visions, focuses, lyricality, understanding of intrigues and importances he achieved are impossible to be approached by any other attempter of the art and craft.

>> No.19823352
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>>19823339
>Whitman is one of the only poets to ever exist in human history.

>> No.19823362

>>19823339
I forgot about Milton, also like being beaten over the head with a brick but he was certainly a genius composer and in touch with the supreme

>> No.19823363

>>19823052
Based now read Melville's Poetry to make yourself even more based.

>>19823339
Shut the fuck up retard.

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>>19823339
Lol. I guess there really is no accounting for taste

>> No.19823387

>>19823352
>>19823363
Of who I have read Rilke and Puhskin come to mind too, but eh

TS Elliot, ehh alright pretty cool but ejjj
The patient etherized upon the table, yellow smoke rising up the window panes I grow old wear my trousers with roll do I dare to eat a peach asking some question I should have been a pair of scuttling xclaws crawling across the bottom of the sea leaping off a cliff

Did he write anything else though?
Invisible men wasteland don't recall reading much of it

>> No.19823391

>>19823387
Shut the fuck up

>> No.19823418

Besides those who I listed, have there been any other poets? Does Chaucer count? I really like this one poem from the new York school is called like ode to spring or ode to life I'll try to find one of my favorite poems I've read

>> No.19823423

One cannot be a poet or claim to be a poet and shame and tarnish the gods of poetry, those who I have listed shamed and tarnished much less than they did not there for they are the only true poets

>> No.19823424

>>19823418
What the fuck are you talking about, there's been millions of poets. Robert Burns for one.

>> No.19823428

>>19823423
Whitman tarnished the most you fucking retard, he birthed modernism which birth absolute garbage tier beat poetry which begat Rupi Kaur, Bukowski and contemporary political garbage. Fuck off retard

>> No.19823437

Ok charge of light brigade is good, Ave Maria and amazing grace are good, battle hymn of the republic are good poems.

>> No.19823449

Fuck off

>Tennyson

>> No.19823459

>>19823052
I can see how he was probaly profound for his time, but from the standpoint of today it seems overated.
I've heard most of his best points from a lot of other people who I think said it a bit more clearly, but I'm sure he served as inspiration to a few of them.

>> No.19823489

>>19823052
>free verse poets.
Let me geuss, you require your thinking to be boxed in surrounded by cushion and safety rails slowly carefully creaking away notching off your stilted jilted overwrought over calculated stiff hollow barren lifeless rhymes and you still get lapped 20 times a second on terms of quality, relavancey, wizardry and substance by rappers. It's time to put the doll toy action figures away, it's time to take the training wheels off

>> No.19823498

>>19823052
so true

>> No.19823499

>>19823428
>he birthed modernism
It is not the fault of the once in a generations artistic genius whose brilliance style and innovations are so awestruckingly superb and outrageously marvelous that the pack of mediocres are compelled to copy

>> No.19823503

/lit/, now that the dust has settled... is metre a requisite for poetry? Surely just chopping up prose into """""free verse""""" does not make poetry. Am I wrong?

>> No.19823509

>>19823503
free verse is not poetry. its a form of writing for those too stupid to write poetry and too lazy to write short stories or novels

>> No.19823515

>>19823499
He's not, I read him. Swinburne is better, minor poets I personally like are better. Cope more.

>>19823489
Blank Verse existed long before Free Verse. Free verse is for imbeciles.

>> No.19823518

>havnt been on lit for 6 months
>same shitty whitman bait thread
guys, find something else. surely there's something.

>> No.19823524

>>19823449
I never said Tennyson, that poem is inspired, that poem is a great poet, Him not so much, haven't really reaf much else of his but it m sure it's plain and derivitive

>> No.19823548

>>19823515
>Blank Verse existed long before Free Verse. Free verse is for imbeciles.
Considering rules and regulations and restrictions and contrivances and formats and forms
If Shakespeare and Milton are guilty of this it is only due to a censoring of their spirits by the shackledness of their peers

>> No.19823557

>>19823548
Yeah right, you fucking retard. I bet you think the earth is flat, too.

>> No.19823562

>>19823437
>>19823449
What the fuck >>19823524
I must have been thinking of a different poem that Tennyson sucks, forgive me gods if poetry..forgive me The Muses... Maybe I just thought the name was really cool..damnit

>> No.19823568

https://www.26reads.com/library/59146-leaves-of-grass/3
>I celebrate myself,
>And what I assume you shall assume,
>For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you.
based and OP btfo

>> No.19823594

>>19823568
For me, from Song of Myself it's:

>I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journeywork of the stars,
>And the pismire is equally perfect, and a grain of sand, and the egg of the wren,
>And the tree-toad is a chef-d’oeuvre for the highest,
>And the running blackberry would adorn the parlors of heaven,
>And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
>And the cow crunching with depressed head surpasses any statue,
>And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels,

But if I'm really going for it, Song of the Open Road is where it's really at:

>Allons! whoever you are come travel with me!
>Traveling with me you find what never tires.

>The earth never tires,
>The earth is rude, silent, incomprehensible at first, Nature is rude and incomprehensible at first,
>Be not discouraged, keep on, there are divine things well envelop’d,
>I swear to you there are divine things more beautiful than words can tell.

>Allons! we must not stop here,
>However sweet these laid-up stores, however convenient this dwelling we cannot remain here,
>However shelter’d this port and however calm these waters we must not anchor here,
>However welcome the hospitality that surrounds us we are permitted to receive it but a little while.

That little section has helped me more than I can state in coming to grips with my own mortality.

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>>19823489
>this post
Speaking of overwrought.

>> No.19823600

The guy that inspiree Debussy afternoon a prais le faun, Mallarme is It, at least that poem is good, don't know of his othes, Rimbaud and baudlaire are also good

>> No.19823765

>>19823489
A surfeit of adjectives is no replacement for profundity

>> No.19823794

>>19823052
the most overrated author in the western canon is easily john updike

>> No.19823802

>>19823339
throw in blake and you've got me sold anon

>> No.19823803

>>19823794
I actually like Updike and don't think he's overrated. That said, I don't think that he's generally considered to be a canonical author in the first place.

>> No.19823810

>>19823794
Updike is just bad. The most rated is obviously Joyce or Prosut.

>> No.19823819

>>19823810
probably tolstoy first

>> No.19823868

>>19823765
The truth is the truth and I merely stated it,

>> No.19823879

>>19823803
>>19823810
The only reason John Updike Is known at all is whatever group of Harvard grad heiresses that first published him giggled about his last name

>> No.19823970

>>19823052
Hamsun dedicates a fair section of his book on the cultural life of America to owning Walt Whitman.

>> No.19823981

>>19823052
I think he was naive. Now he is like a monument covered in graffiti. Indecipherable

>> No.19824307

Nah

>> No.19824333

Whitman just lists things, that's it, that's all he does. Interminable inventories. But he breaks up the lines so we call it poetry not prose. But why some call it good is a mystery.

Blessed are the Groypers, the Wignats, the Catboys
the NazBols, the NixBols, the SpagBols, the NigBols
the Chapo-Trannies, the Bunker-Trannies, the Cum Bois
the Incels, the Beancels, the ES-cels, the shecels
(sea shells on the sea shore)

>> No.19824632

>>19823868
>merely stated
If only.

>> No.19824742

>>19823489
Methinks you lack the sense to judge the craft
Of measured rhythm and the subtle tone
In the sounds of speech, yet you complain and moan
Therefore I kindly ask you to depart.