The Traditionalist School and the Right-Wing

[Anonymous No.19800798]

I remember that a few days ago there was a thread about the Sophia Perennis (the current english publisher of Guenon's books) publishing house and how they unjustifiably (from a traditionalist perspective) denounce the right-wing ideas of Evola and other authors. Is easy to notice that such reservations were totally justified, if you bother to read the traditionalists themselves but of course that for the 4chan audience, is hard to think betond the cringe/based, left/right-wing dichotomies. Here you have an extract from Schuon's letters which proves my point:

“I have just received the list of your publications and I note that for the most part they are racist, fascist, and nazi in spirit and thus in no sense traditionalist in the proper and authentic sense of this word. I do not wish to appear in such a context, and I cannot give my consent to the publication of one of my books under your imprint. The public would place me in a modern political category, whereas I am engaged in nothing of the kind, being a true traditionalist, and thus identified with a scale of values that escapes modernists, even those of the right.”

[Anonymous No.19800815]

ironic, claim to not wanna be seen along modern political lines while using a bunch of leninist smear words from the last hundred years to disparage others

[Anonymous No.19800825]

>>19800815
Is this just OP trying to prove his own point?

[Anonymous No.19800879]

>>19800815
>evola is not a racist that's a marxist slur
you will never be a kşatriya

[Anonymous No.19801029]

>>19800879
Yes, it is. Just by using the word racist you buy into the possibility of a world where race is not a determining factor, which is nothing but a Marxoid illusion. They created the word to marginalize normal views.

[Anonymous No.19801109]

>>19801029
Racialism is an offshoot of humanism, it has as starting point the physical form, instead of the metaphysical. The word "racist" wasn't invented by Trotsky, that myth was debunked: >The word racism is actually relatively recent. French appears to be the first language to use the termsracismeandraciste. Surprisingly, this was in the 1890s among members of the French far right, who used the terms to describe their own racial attitudes. The author Gaston Méry coined the term “racisme” in his novel calledJean Révolte, about a man who establishes an organization to preserve the integrity of the French “Celtic” race against the supposedly dangerous influence of Jews and the “Latin” race of southern France.
Apart from this, Schuon uses the term next to nazi and fascist which is clear that the respective person hold those movements in high esteem so it has nothing to do with the sometimes absurd usage of this word by people from the left.

[Anonymous No.19801213]

>>19801109
No.

[Anonymous No.19801225]

>>19800798
By pretending to be above politics and wagging the tail to the cultural and political hegemony of liberalism they oust themselves as not above but in fact beneath politics.

[Anonymous No.19801241]

>>19801225
The opposite is true. By rejecting it, they reject one of the most fundamental vanities of life - social validation in the eyes of the cattle. Traditionalism is elite. It is reclusive. It is secretive. It does not waste its time with mass movements, mass society which only produces degenerates like you and leftoids.

[Anonymous No.19801259]

Pseudo-traditionalists will tactically assert that the left-right divide is a modernist invention dating to the French Revolution. But while this is true it’s impossible to affirm traditional values — like social hierarchy, traditional gender roles, objective truth and beauty and anti materialism — without being identified with the “right” in the modern political spectrum, since the left is actively against, so this tactic is mere rhetoric to justify their cowardice and tacit acceptance of liberal hegemony.

[Anonymous No.19801260]

>>19801225
Alright so if you say that a publisher who is sympathetic to historical nazism and fascism, has publications which are racist, nazi and fascist, you are "beneath politics" and wagging the tail of liberalism? Have you at least read the quote? It has nothing to do with insults, is literally what the publisher supported. At this point I think that you people can't even use your brains anymore, liberals, leftists and marxists live rent free in your head.

[Anonymous No.19801280]

>>19801241
>>19801260
>>19801259
Retroactively replied.

[Anonymous No.19801290]

Politics is nothing more than an escapism, especially on 4chan, a hobby for people here who are utterly too weak to do anything else but complain on twitter. Games like politics are interesting for people who don't have a personality their besides what social media influencer, or news channel, they watch on the electric jew. You are a part of the problem because you embrace decadent society instead of fulfilling self mastery and moral cultivation of spiritual life. These people claim to be "right-wing", but they're surface level people at best opportunistically latching into cultural wars issues for selfish gain. They are degenerates.

[Anonymous No.19801298]

>>19801259
So if they identify us with the right, we should accept it in order to not be cowards? This is just playing by their own games. Let them talk while we do our job but as a matter of fact (not that it has any importance for me) some aspects of traditionalism can also be regarded as "leftist" by the right, like the anti-colonialism of Guenon (which is clear as day from East and West and The crisis of the modern world).

[Anonymous No.19801325]

>>19801259
>pseudo trad will blabla
>writes pseudo trad non-sense
At least try understanding Guénon. I'm one of the OG guénon poster (guénonfag's psychosis in flesh. he reported all my posts and got me banned numerous time kek) and I'm not a traditionalist in any way - yet I could understand his works without falling to some weirdly modernist political récupération, to further my own political views. Touch grass.

[Anonymous No.19801334]

>>19801259
Yes, clearly living a traditional life and exposing traditional values is not pure enough. I'm also obligated to serve the political causes of degenerates like Thomas Rousseau by giving them money I could be using for my family. If I don't do that, I'm "conceding" to liberalism. That's right kids. Its not enough to live a life, and spend decades of it being a traditionalist. You must actively engage in the trivial political matters of people who have no future or longevity. That's why you're most likely in your 20s, and are riding waves in the media instead of making them.

[Anonymous No.19801366]

>>19801298
>>19801325
>>19801334
Yeah, what you’re doing is turning your belly upwards and wagging your tail to liberalism, signaling: I’m not a threat to you! See how utterly harmless and cucked I am?? But it’s not gonna be enough. As long as you affirm traditional values you are in existential opposition to them and will be seen as a threat to be disposed of. The left will not leave you alone, as everyone from Russian peasants to Christian cake bakers have found out. Unless you try to retcon traditionalism to mean liberal secular humanism, which no doubt the likes of you will, but maybe not even that will fly.

[Anonymous No.19801461]

>>19800798
Right Wing this, Left Wing that, corona that, shut the fuck up nigger I want to enjoy my beer and chicken wings.

[Anonymous No.19801467]

>>19800798
Politics is the nigger of the world of ideas and there is nothing fundamental about it desu

[Anonymous No.19801474]

>>19800879
Evola was an autistic "spiritual racist." But that does not make him a guy with any less insightful ideas.

Also Marx never took a bath, his descendants are poor and believe socialism is shit, and his grave is kept alive through Capitalist Landowning donations. Now dilate.

[Anonymous No.19801479]

>>19801259
This. Thread has ended. You all can take your dildos home now.

[Anonymous No.19801496]

>>19801029
>creating your own lexicon to skirt conventionally agreed upon terms because you are an ideological minority
Ok whatever, he was a "normalist," a person who believed in essential racial differences between peoples.

[Anonymous No.19801501]

>>19801474
Evola was trash because he was LH path trash. That's all.

[Anonymous No.19801505]

>>19801334
>Yes, clearly living a traditional life and exposing traditional values is not pure enough
Not the guy you're responding to but this is increasingly becoming impossible in the West. Family and household, long held to be sacred, basic units of society whose boundaries the government shall not trespass, are under attack from managerial state leftists. You will mark my words when in few years any way of raising your children not in conformity with the values of Western liberalism will become criminalized and will result in the parent loosing losing custody of their children. So much for peaceful, unthreatening brand of "traditionalism". Maybe you should read more and learn more about the rich TRADITION of popular opposition to centralization of power?

[Anonymous No.19801522]

>>19801505
>popular opposition
pleb detected, right-eing politics have failed and you can't do anything about it

[Anonymous No.19801535]

>>19801505
>popular opposition to centralization of power
If this worked we wouldn't have payroll taxes

[Anonymous No.19801577]

>>19801366
again off-topic, you just show your frustrations here, keep coping friend

[Anonymous No.19801609]

Why can't I be both spiritually racist and physically racists?

[Anonymous No.19801693]

>>19801609
you don't need to be a "physically racist" in order to be against being fat lmao

[Anonymous No.19801707]

>>19801693
I do to be against fat and black.

[Anonymous No.19801824]

>>19801707
Why can’t you spiritually be racist and physically kys

[Anonymous No.19801836]

>>19801824
Because I enjoy life. I have good friends built on shared values, near-kin and heritage. I make a comfortable living that is allowing me provide for my family as we transition towards a more sustainable life. You must not have this.

[Anonymous No.19801860]

>>19801836
indeed, I don't have a normie life

[Anonymous No.19801864]

>>19801836
btw Evola was a family hater lmao, he wouldn't approve of anything you said

[Anonymous No.19801868]

It’s transparent what these neo-traditionalist gatekeepers want. They want to take their watered-down perennialism ™ to academia and earn tenure, get published in journals. They want to participate in elite-backed religious dialogue panels, and have a seat at the table with other religious ecumenical shills, but they’re not going to be able to do that because their liberal masters believe in guilt by association. This man single-handedly cucked them out of their dreams for ever, and I love him all the more for it.

[Anonymous No.19801871]

>>19801864
That does not preclude me with agreeing with some of what he said. You seem to think that one must agree completely with others or be at odds with them. This is why you have no peace.

[Anonymous No.19801897]

>>19801868
your hero defended transgenderism, had no family and died uninitiated in a fucking wheelchair........

[Anonymous No.19801925]

The right wing should, frankly, be triumphant. It is the most empathetic, the most logical, the most psychologically, economically, and sociologically sound form of political philosophy ever devised. Why is it not the main mode of governance?

Left wingers, especially those in the far-left, are always anxious about “revisionism”. That is not a bad thing! Correcting revisionism has given the left a clear mode of thinking, a clear line of logic. To be a leftist is simple. First you read Marx and Engels, then you read Lenin, then Stalin, then Mao, then Deng, and for now you finish with Xi. Everything else can be rejected.

The right has no clear system like this. We were hijacked by revisionists like Mussolini, like Hitler in the 20th century, and since then the right has remained in intellectual decline. Until the fascists and the racists are rejected in full and are seen as the great revisionist enemies of the right that they were, we will remain stagnant.

[Anonymous No.19802009]

>>19801259
>Pseudo-traditionalists will tactically assert that the left-right divide is a modernist invention dating to the French Revolution.
>But while this is true...
I must admit this made me laugh out loud

[Anonymous No.19802328]

>>19801925
Actual leftists are not in charge either. Its just that with SJWs and woke people Capital changed its targets of use.

[Anonymous No.19803069]

>>19800798
Never saw that quote until now but I know that Seyyed Hossein Nasr (Schuon's disciple) once met Evola:

“Although Zolla no longer associated with Julius Evola, he nevertheless arranged for me to meet Italy’s most famous crypto-traditionalist writer who was a very controversial figure because of his espousal of the cause of Mussolini during the Second World War. I had already read some of Evola’s works, many of which are now being translated into English and are attracting some attention in philosophical circles. But based on the image I had of him as an expositor of traditional doctrines including Yoga, I was surprised to see him, now crippled as a result of a bomb explosion in 1945, living in the center of Rome in a large old apartment which was severe and fairly dark and without works of traditional art which I had expected to see around him. He had piercing eyes and gazed directly at me as we spoke about knightly initiation, myths and symbols of ancient Persia, traditional alchemy and Hermeticism and similar subjects. While he extolled the ancient Romans and their virtues, he spoke pejoratively about his contemporary Italians. When I asked him what happened to those Roman virtues, he said they traveled north to Germany and we were left with Italian waiters singing o sole mio! He also seemed to have little knowledge or interest in esoteric Christianity and refuse to acknowledge the presence of a sapiental current in Christianity. It was surprising for me to see an Italian sitting a few minutes from the Vatican, with his immense knowledge of various esoteric philosophies from the Greek to the Indian, being so impervious to the inner realities of the tradition so close to his home.” – Seyyed Hossein Nasr, “An Intellectual Autobiography,”

https://abraxasbooks.tumblr.com/post/54556286557/seyyed-hossein-nasr-recounts-meeting-baron-julius

[Anonymous No.19804662]

guenon is sleeping and enjoying his littles jannah in his grave, and you fags are never gonna make it like him, until you accept the fact.
no one worthy of worship except allah.

[Anonymous No.19804669]

bump

[Anonymous No.19804680]

>>19801259
>But while this is true
kek

[Anonymous No.19804696]

>>19800798
>The public would place me in a modern political category, whereas I am engaged in nothing of the kind, being a true traditionalist, and thus identified with a scale of values that escapes modernists
So why do they care what modernists think?

[Anonymous No.19804708]

>>19804696
He doesn't want to do anything that would misrepresent himself.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.19804732]

Hindus, Muslims, and Christians traditionally hate each other. Really there is nothing traditional about the traditionalist school EXCEPT the racism which seems to be a pretty ancient phenomenon

[Anonymous No.19804797]

>>19804732
Rivalry between sister civilization =/= hate.

[Anonymous No.19805044]

>>19800798
Currently reading Guenon's Introduction to Hindu Doctrine, and it seems that he hates the Greeks very much.