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1979909 No.1979909 [Reply] [Original]

have not read this, some1 wanna summarise it for me?

>> No.1979912

Do your homework. At the very least look up the sparknotes like a normal person.

>> No.1979911

Phonies. Goddam Phonies everywhere.

>> No.1979938

just ask my hot-shot brother D.B.
He's in Hollywood, with all the other phonies. Goddammit that pisses me off you know? All those phonies all in one place like that.

>> No.1979947

Holden is such a whiny fag! I'm the same age as him and much smarter. 99% of ppl my age are listening to "gangster" rap, thumbs up if you're one of the 1% who listens to pink floyd

>> No.1979949

>>1979946
xD so true lolz. FUCK RAP LET THE SPIRIT OF TRUE ROCK LIVE ON. FUCK HOLDEN!

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1979967

> phonies
> nail-clippings everywhere in the carpet
> girl
> end

>> No.1980029

>>1979909
The thing about a book like this is that most people on /lit/ read it in highschool.

You know what happens when people on /lit/ read books?
A) If it is well known, they will call it terrible.
B) If it is slightly obscure, they will talk about how amazing it is.

/lit/ is the worst place to ask for serious discussion on a well known book (and it is well known and widely taught for a reason - not because it's bad).

And yeah, do your own homework.

>> No.1980402

>>1980029

A hearty endorsement over here. Catcher is a great book, with some worthwhile sentiments... Until South Park came along.

>> No.1980505

Really great book, but much better if you read it while you're an angry teen.

>> No.1980514

I didn't enjoy it when I read it in high school, but I can still respect it for what it is. It does bug me a bit when someone says it's their favorite book, though. I guess I just see it as a sign of immaturity to still identify with Holden when you're in your mid-twenties.

>> No.1980517

>>1980514
Everyone is immature in their twenties. If you think you're the exception, you're kidding yourself.

>> No.1980525

Holden's brother dies, Holden starts dropping out of schools, he finally spends a few crazy nights in New York City where he talks to a bunch of ugly broads and almost fucks a prostitute but chickens out, then he goes back to his house and says hello to his sister, then he goes to his ex-teacher's house where he tries to molest him(or maybe he doesn't who knows), then some other stuff happens, then he sees a psychiatrist or something I don't know. The moral of the story is if you blame yourself for your brother's death, you get molested and talk in stream-of-consciousness prose.

There, that should give you at least a 60% on the test.

>> No.1980527

>>1980514
Say that to my face and not online and see what happens.

>> No.1980529

>>1980517
Fair enough. Change it to "relative immaturity."

>> No.1980531
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1980531

It is a book only men relate to.

And, boy, how they relate.

>> No.1980532

Stop being a faggot and read it OP. Its a great book.

>> No.1980535 [DELETED] 

>>1980514

>"But tell me, my brethren, what the child can do, which even the lion could not do? Why hath the preying lion still to become a child?
Innocence is the child, and forgetfulness, a new beginning, a game, a self-rolling wheel, a first movement, a holy Yea.
Aye, for the game of creating, my brethren, there is needed a holy Yea unto life: its own will, willeth now the spirit; his own world winneth the world's outcast.

>> No.1980539

>>1980514
>"But tell me, my brethren, what the child can do, which even the lion could not do? Why hath the preying lion still to become a child? Innocence is the child, and forgetfulness, a new beginning, a game, a self-rolling wheel, a first movement, a holy Yea. Aye, for the game of creating, my brethren, there is needed a holy Yea unto life: its own will, willeth now the spirit; his own world winneth the world's outcast

>> No.1980580

It's a good book. It really is.

>> No.1980600

>>1980580
OP should read the goddamn book he was assigned. That kills me, when people don't read books they are assigned. It really does.

>> No.1980604

>>1980600
Would you say they are phonies?

>> No.1980613

7/10.
You got a lot of other people to fall for it. What tipped me off was the use of "some1". If you had just left that off you might have got me too.

>> No.1980624

>>1980604
They are all goddamn phonies. Every single one of them. Everyone on this crumby board is a phonie. You take one of those slick intellectual types who likes to talk about fine literature and nine times out of ten, they are big phonies. It kills me. It really does.

>> No.1980631

>>1979947
Jesus christ, that post was like nails on a blackboard. Make it stop.

>> No.1980719

>>1980525
It pisses me off so much when people think the teacher is trying to molest him. He's sympathizing with him and the struggle he's going through. He's petting his head the way a parent would a sleeping child.

Have you never seen a parent with a young kid who's had a rough day?

>> No.1980741

>>1980719

This. Goddamn. He's going, "This poor kid, who has so much potential, but he's fucking himself up and getting in his own way."

Sound familiar?

>> No.1980778

>>1980719

Adults usually use situations like that as an opportunity to be "sensitive" so they can lure young people into being molested. I've seen this with adult males and female children/teens, but it also very often happens when there is a homosexual adult authority figure involved.
The teacher is only trying to "comfort" Holden to take advantage of him.

>> No.1980819

>>1980778
>>it also very often happens when there is a homosexual adult authority figure involved.

That it does not, darling. Do a little reading, since you like that sort of thing: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

You will be delighted to know that upset children make many adults sad. Many adults react to sad children in a way they hope will make the child less sad. This is normal, common, and healthy, and you are an asshole.

>> No.1980847

It's a detailed manuscript of puberty, as written by J.D. Salinger.

>> No.1980968

>>1980819

>This is normal, common, and healthy

For a female adult, yes, since females are supposed to be naturally sensitive and caring. However, if a male adult acts this way it's only natural to be suspicious of his intentions. That is a very big red flag.

>> No.1980973

>>1980819

It has the word "rainbow" in the URL. It is pretty clearly going to be biased in favor of gay culture. I am pretty sure it denies the often predatory nature of the homosexual male.

>> No.1980979

>>1980968
Oh wow, what a fucking tool. Did your dad never show you affection? Did he act distant to you and beat you whenever you showed interest in art because you might catch the gay?

If you think only women are supposed to be caring and nurturing... you are clearly retarded.

>> No.1982103

>>1980979

>If you think only women are supposed to be caring and nurturing... you are clearly retarded.

You've never met a woman, have you? If you don't believe that women are naturally more sensitive than men it is only because you have bought political correctness propaganda hook, line and sinker. All I am saying is that your ideas are clearly misguided and not based on actual life experience.

As for my father, my father never beat me. I did get a few beltings when I was young but my father was a good, tough man who taught me how to stand up for myself and be a responsible, independent man. Unfortunately this form of parenting is all too rare in a society that encourages emotional weakness ("sensitivity") in the male gender.

>> No.1982118

>>1982103

I think you might be confused about what decade or possibly century it is

>> No.1982123

>>1982118
MY old man beat me with the belt when I fucked up, and I deserved it too, I was a little punk. If more parents disciplined their kids you wouldn't see so many metrosexual faggots these days.

>> No.1982135

>>1982123

can't tell if trolling

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1982150

Alright. For the thousandth Catcher in the Rye thread, I'll post something new.
This book right here, Highlights of the Off Season, is the EXACT same, fucking exact, to the voice of Holden in Catcher in the Rye.
I don't know how the fuck the author managed to write an entire 300+ page novel that mimics CITR so wholly but... it does.

It's like an updated version set in the 1960's. But still so fucking similar.

>> No.1982164

>>1982123

>>1982103 here, just letting you know this guy isn't me.

>> No.1982183

>>1982103
I sincerely hope you are trolling.

Admitting you have emotions like every normal person is not weakness, and I am glad your twisted, antiquated world view is no longer the most prominent one except in shitty redneck states where it doesn't matter.

>> No.1982195 [DELETED] 

Niggers. Goddam Niggers everywhere.

>> No.1982272

>>1982195

Racism is not funny.

>> No.1982303

>>1982123

I'm calling bullshit here. If only because my dad is heavily metrosexual and got nothing but shit as a kid.

>> No.1982391

>>1982303

And that beta male passed on his weak pussy genes to you. The human race is doomed.

>> No.1982692

>>1982391
Maybe if enough betas pass on their genes, we can live in a sensible society where people don't beat the shit out of each other and shoot kids for oil.

Gee, that sure would suck.

>> No.1982726

>>1982692

Betas are always going to be taken advantage of by alphas, and only other alphas can protect them.

This is unless betas man the fuck up. Most of the beta metrosexual faggots in Vancouver or New York wouldn't last a day in Somalia or Iraq, because they are fucking sheltered, coddled pussies incapable of independent action and independent thought.

>> No.1982736

>>1982726
Why would we need to be in Iraq or Somalia? Maybe its a good thing that said "betas" don't have a desire to murder little brown kids for oil. I think that kind of world sounds like a better place.

>> No.1982748

>>1982736

http://laikepo.blogspot.com/2011/01/top-10-world-most-dangerous-cities.html

You see this? You could be some beta male tourist in one of these cities or some beta male expat teaching English to little Thai kids and Bangkok and the moment you stepped out of your car you could get gang-raped and mugged because of how fucking beta you are. That's because you're not alpha enough to protect yourself or others. That is the very definition of a beta male. It is scary to me that females have such a fixation on this homosexual-inspired beta male culture (just look at TV shows like Glee that encourage this sickening level of effeminacy)

>> No.1982756

I never had to read this book for school. Instead, my English teachers swooned over such works as "The Scarlet Letter" and "The Color Purple." Two of the worst books ever written in my opinion. I swear, the prose in "Purple" is undecipherable and "Letter" is boring as all hell. Goddamn feminists running the schools ruined literature for me. But now that I'm 23, I read whatever the hell I want and I'm very happy now.

OP, do your own homework.

>> No.1982761

>>1982748

The sickening thing about this to me is that totalitarian airport security measures mean it is impossible to carry a firearm in your luggage, either carry (helpful to protect from a terrorist attack - imagine how many lives could have been saved on 9/11 if an alpha male with a gun had stood up to Islamofascism) or stow. It is exactly because of these sickening measures that American tourists, businessmen, expatriate workers are regularly murdered, raped and mugged while overseas.

>> No.1982764

>>1982756
I suggest you read Catcher, its about white man problems for white men like us.

I do agree though, both those other books were pretty terrible.

>> No.1982778

>>1982756
Women like to teach female writers because they relate to their perspective.

Men like to teach male writers for the same reason.

That is all.

>> No.1982782

>>1982778
I understand, but can't male and female teachers make an attempt to, you know, expose us to all sorts of works? I thought that was the point of English class...

>>1982764
lol'd

>> No.1982787

>>1982782
Thing is, they kind of have to go out of their way to expose you to female authors since classic literature is pretty much dominated by white men.

That being said, there are a lot better choices that what they usually pick. Emily Dickinson, for instance.