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[Anonymous No.19796953]

Queen of Cainhurst edition

Previous Thread:>>19786129

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[Anonymous No.19796957]

demon cunny

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.19796959]

Ninefox Gambit, The Machineries of Empire #1 - Yoon Ha Lee (2016)

Lee is another author whose novels I came to through their short fiction. I had concerns whether the central conceit, the Calendrical system, would be sufficient to carry everything. As with his short fiction in this setting, I still don't think it really was, but that was less of an issue than I thought it would be. Many people seem to have a lot of problems understanding how it works, but it doesn't seem that complex to me if you allow for its limitations. I think the source of that confusion is trying to understand this as Hard SF when it clearly isn't. If instead you approach it as "Any sufficiently advanced mysticism is indistinguishable from technology or magic" then I think it'll be more a lot more comprehensible. To me it's basically Feng Shui plus the idea that beliefs create reality with a veneer of math. Despite this, I still wouldn't personally call it a science fantasy series, though I can understand why it could be considered as such, as it does require frequent suspension of disbelief if you assume it's going to be realistic in any way.

The plot is the introduction to the protagonist, the preparation for the mission, and then the rest is the mission itself, a siege on a space fortress. Lee's writing style is rather different from I'm used to reading. It's often rather spare in many ways and prefers to intently focus on what it's concerned about. The main difference though is that for the majority of the book the protagonist is physically apart from the action because their primary role is as a tactician. This leads to a lot of the frontline action being told in short bursts from a variety of characters. That being said, if you primarily read books for well-developed characters or need an emotional connection to them, then this probably isn't for you. The dialogue in general is utilitarian, as is really everything else, and that's intentional due to how their society functions.

The beginning is definitely the weakest part and I wasn't won over until the very end and only just barely. It mostly did so by being interesting and providing a relatively uncommon perspective that had me considering various things. If you're looking for a military science fiction/space opera series that's mostly focused on action, then this may not be a proper fit. It would be easy to call this grimdark, but I don't think that'd be accurate. Often in grimdark there's an awareness and melodrama about it being grim and dark. Instead, this is very casual and indifferent to how grim and dark it is, which again, I believe to be intentional. On a different note, Yoon Ha Lee is a transman and that's a definite influence on this work. I'll read rest of the works in this setting and try some of his other work. I may even try some again since it took me so long to like this, or not, either way.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.19797027]

Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.19797050]

>>19797027
wow that 1632 series went in some odd directions

[Anonymous No.19797063]

[Anonymous No.19797065]

Everyone knows
Snadersoi blows
Everyone agrees
Bakker rules supreme!

[Anonymous No.19797068]

>>19796953
Books for pedophiles?

[Anonymous No.19797074]

>>19797068
There's a chart for that in the OP.

[Anonymous No.19797100]

[Anonymous No.19797104]

Sandersoi is sad
Bakker is his new dad
Sandersoi screams
Bakker sprays his cream

[Anonymous No.19797113]

Bakker poets will save literature

[Anonymous No.19797122]

>>19796959
Love these posts. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.19797165]

Is Necroscope good? I heard it was alright but there's like 50 books and apparently not in chronological order

[Anonymous No.19797177]

>>19797027
>founds a chain of taverns staffed with bare-breasted waitresses
Truly a visionary ahead of his time!

[Anonymous No.19797202]

>>19797100
based?

[Anonymous No.19797257]

lol reading about women and sissy boys crying about a male power fantasy because the women are sluts, but then raving and praising a female power fantasy where the female protag is a slut, is just too funny.

[Anonymous No.19797259]

>>19797063
do you think she actually reads the books she says she does?

[Anonymous No.19797273]

>>19797257
it's different when I like it

[Anonymous No.19797341]

>>19797257
I don't think you understand the concept of "agency".

[Anonymous No.19797388]

>>19797259
Yeah but I think most of these youtubers speedread/skim....

[Anonymous No.19797392]

What is dark fantasy for you? What things do you like to see in a dark fantasy story?

[Anonymous No.19797419]

>>19797392
>What things do you like to see in a dark fantasy story?
Nothing you plan on writing.

[Anonymous No.19797436]

>>19797419
You already read my post, fag.

[Anonymous No.19797508]

>>19797392
Dark fantasy is what happens when fifteen-year old edgelords read bad history books and think they understand the nature of man and the question of evil. Dark fantasy is what happens when you take high fantasy and try to drown it in a pile of shit. Dark fantasy is a fundamentally lazy genre, where you do not have to bother with telling a good story, because good stories aren't "realistic" whereas dark fantasy obviously must be realistic: look at all the grime.

Dark fantasy is garbage. What I would like to see in a dark fantasy story is an author wise enough not to write any more of that utter shlock.

[Anonymous No.19797531]

>>19797436
Does that mean we are gonna fuck?

[Anonymous No.19797541]

>>19797531
I think it means the general gets to watch two homosexual idiots suck each other off in public.

[Anonymous No.19797546]

>>19797541
the rules of this thread and the long-running plots that crisscross it make it as opaque as a Mazalan book

[Anonymous No.19797548]

>>19797508
Cope.

[Anonymous No.19797601]

>>19797548
Ah yes, Mr. Forever-Twelve himself.

[Anonymous No.19797617]

>>19797546
>the rules of this thread
I wasn't talking the results of some obscure queer arcane ritual that had just been enacted, or the requirements of some long forgotten pact that had just been fulfilled.
I mean tthat these two faggots arguing over I dunno what, are going to continue sucking each other off in front of the whole thread ineffectually.

[Anonymous No.19797629]

Any sci-if/fantasy audiobooks you’d recommend? My commute has just gotten significantly longer.

[Anonymous No.19797637]

>>19797629
World War Z is the best audiobook ever.
The full professional voice cast makes it a performance and not a reading.
The whole thing also lasts awhile.

[Anonymous No.19797671]

>>19797392
Basically Berserk and Dark Souls.

[Anonymous No.19797713]

>Basically Berserk and Dark Souls.

[Anonymous No.19797716]

>>19797617
>ineffectually
Speak for yourself, I've come thrice from this interaction alone, so I'd say it's been pretty effective

[Anonymous No.19797752]

>>19797671
Berserk I get, but dark souls is only dark aesthetically, in that the games are not generally well lit.

[Anonymous No.19797761]

Continuing from the last post. Does this shit get better as the series or is it just jibberish the whole way through? I’m on chapter 23 of the first book right now. Trying to decide if I should give up

[Anonymous No.19797772]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19797774]

>>19797761
>>19797772
Seethe, cope, mald.

[Anonymous No.19797783]

>>19797761
It does get significantly better as Wolfe builds upon the confusing information he has given you. Think of it as one long book and not as four (or five) separate books.

[Anonymous No.19797789]

>>19797783
Alright thanks I’ll keep going. The chapter where he goes in the jungle room was when I started to think about putting it down.

[Anonymous No.19797837]

Anyone read the bear and the nightingale?

[Anonymous No.19797840]

>>19797752
>dark souls is only dark aesthetically
Imagine being this wrong

[Anonymous No.19797878]

>>19797840
No, I played it.
So everyone's a corpse? Whoopdie fuckin doo, they're pretty active for corpses!
Dont relight the fire? No biggie, just becomes the age of men, just as planned all along.
The big central theme of dark souls is hubris, gwyn and all who followed him are pointlessly defying the inevitable.
There isn't really anything psychologically dark about any of it, unless you're an edgy teenager that mistakes aesthetics for depth.

[Anonymous No.19797883]

>>19797840
Yeah brother, Dark Souls is lit as fuck.
I got filtered by Ornstein and Smough but I still had an okay time with the game up to that point.

[Anonymous No.19797906]

>>19797341
That's still a bullshit argument either way.

[Anonymous No.19797927]

>>19797629
I enjoyed the Dune audiobook, but I haven't delved into the later entries yet. The first one is weird though, some chapters feature full voice acting for characters, while some have just the narrator doing voices for everyone.

[Anonymous No.19797938]

>>19797878
What a surface-level take. Every aspect of dark souls builds upon a dark fantasy narrative.

[Anonymous No.19797963]

>>19797713
Do you happen to have any recommendations on novels comparable to Berserk and Dark Souls?

[Anonymous No.19797981]

>>19797938
>Every aspect of dark souls builds upon a dark fantasy narrative.
Nah, it's a story of a quiet dead guy taking care of his fire obsessed waifu in a comfy hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
I can dream pleasant dreams about dakr souls, I cant do that about berserk.

[Anonymous No.19798035]

Finished the Mistborn trilogy, what's the next step for more Sanderkino?

[Anonymous No.19798052]

How pussy are men these days? Or are they women who are using male names online?

[Anonymous No.19798075]

>>19796959
>>19797122
Are you just samefagging like almost every time with these posts? There's way too many similar "love these posts, thanks anon" replies almost every time.

[Anonymous No.19798108]

>>19798075
This worked, thanks!

[Anonymous No.19798115]

>>19798035
The trash-bin.

[Anonymous No.19798123]

>>19798052
they're desperate men, mostly americans, who think being nice to girls gets them brownie points in terms of being seen as a potiential partner

[Anonymous No.19798126]

>>19798115
I just could never get into this book

[Anonymous No.19798128]

>>19796959
keep these coming
I like reading reviews

[Anonymous No.19798135]

>>19798075
Love these posts. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.19798164]

>>19796959
Love these posts. Keep them coming.

[Anonymous No.19798192]

>>19798123
>mostly americans
Nice try, gooky.

[Anonymous No.19798197]

>>19798192
I don't care what you say really, it's your reality, but it's my comedy

[Anonymous No.19798202]

>>19798075
Clearly you haven't been paying attention or you would've noticed an additional trend.

[Anonymous No.19798255]

Okay, I need works with the general idea of 'teenagers/young adults go into new world to colonize it' sci-fi kind of shtick.
Or any work where adults just disappear out of the world in a finger-snap like moment.
Any kind of Voyager-like stuff would be cool too.

[Anonymous No.19798304]

>>19798035
Era 2 is pretty good

[Anonymous No.19798323]

>>19798115
I have not read this book but all it does is make the poster look stupid for destroying his own property

[Anonymous No.19798329]

>>19798255
"No."

[Anonymous No.19798331]

>>19798323
Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19798333]

>>19798255
It's YA fiction (probably all you'll find with children as protagonists), but I remember I liked pic related as a kid.

[Anonymous No.19798341]

>>19798331
(You)

[Anonymous No.19798365]

>>19798333
That's fair, I'm trying to find inspiration because I want to write something around that idea.
Thanks for the recommendation.

[Anonymous No.19798445]

>>19798341
Didn't ask.

[Anonymous No.19798487]

>>19798445
(You)

[Anonymous No.19798496]

>>19798487
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.19798503]

>(You)

[Anonymous No.19798523]

>>19797981
>fire obsessed waifu
You call Kingseeker Frampt a waifu? Weird taste but ok.

[Anonymous No.19798543]

>>19798523
he cute

[Anonymous No.19798560]

>>19798523
No I meant the fire keepers, but Fire Keeper in particular

[Anonymous No.19798577]

>>19798560
that's dark souls 3 though.
(Dark souls, bloodborne, sekiro) > (ds2 and ds3)

[Anonymous No.19798611]

>>19798577
Yeah but she's the smexiest fire keeper.
"Welcome home, ashen one"
Feels fuzzy to hear, every time.

[Anonymous No.19798622]

>>19796959
Love coming. Keep these posts.

[Anonymous No.19798642]

>>19798611
I found her fairly empty as a character and not noticeable. I liked the doll and sculptor more.

[Anonymous No.19798647]

>>19797063
Where does she get all the nice editions from?

[Anonymous No.19798671]

>>19798115
The paste-down art, seen on the right, is so shit. Gay fucking numetal looking "symbols" done in colour texters looked like something a kid would draw his book during class. I knew this book would be awful the moment I saw it. Can't believe I read the whole thing.

The Michael Whelan cover art is kino though, such a waste.

[Anonymous No.19798673]

>>19797629
First law. Abercrombie is a good enough writer but the series is hard carried by the author. He can switch accents and do male/female voices really well.

[Anonymous No.19798678]

>>19798673
*hard carried by the narrator lmao

[Anonymous No.19798692]

>>19798642
>I found her fairly empty as a character
Yes, a very comfy bangmaid with comfy mommy boobs.

[Anonymous No.19798771]

>>19798692
oh yeah I've never understood that kind of stuff. It's like the equivalent of cowboy romance novels for women, I don't get it the appeal of either.

[Anonymous No.19798777]

Anything good by GRRM? I've read ASOIAF and enjoyed it. I see Fevre Dream recommended a fair amount but I'm not really a fan of the antebellum period USA.

[Anonymous No.19798790]

>>19798771
She's just always there tending the fire every time I come back after a long day of sweating and bleeding. No complications with drama, no nagging about money, just warmth and caring.
Plus she's blind and must be protected.
What's not to get?

[Anonymous No.19798798]

>>19798777
checked and elden ring is the GURM masterpiece you're looking for

[Anonymous No.19798822]

>>19798798
are you an A or a B

[Anonymous No.19798836]

>>19797063
Has Daniel Greene disposed of her for another faggot yet?

[Anonymous No.19798847]

>>19797761
It will make sense again as you do your first re-read. In fact it becomes a lot greater whenever you re-read the books because its part of Wolfe's artistic vision as stated in his quote:

“My definition of good literature is that which can be read by an educated reader, and reread with increased pleasure."

[Anonymous No.19799201]

>>19798197
See >>19798192

[Anonymous No.19799249]

any explicitly gnostic sff lit?

[Anonymous No.19799301]

>>19797637
Ya it's absolutely fucking KINO and I usually hate zombieshit

[Anonymous No.19799373]

>>19797436
Heh, nice one anon.

[Anonymous No.19799386]

>>19797629
My brother and I listened to the start of The Way of Kings and it was decent.
The Gunslinger also has an excellent audiobook.

[Anonymous No.19799394]

>>19797761
I liked the later entries more myself.
>>19798847
Someone on the Gene Wolfe subreddit said something like, they wish they could read the book for the second time all over again. I still have to have my re-read but that seems to be a strong sentiment amongst fans of the series.

[Anonymous No.19799406]

What is the single most "effective" iteration of the "long extinct technologically advanced civilization" story in science fiction?

Bonus points for the long lost precursors actually being legitimately extinct and not just off hiding somewhere or some shit.

[Anonymous No.19799410]

>>19797963
I haven't read many fantasy novels that have the level of symbolism on par with dark souls 3. I love the similarities between the world and the effects of insomnia.

[Anonymous No.19799428]

>>19799406
stellaris

[Anonymous No.19799435]

>>19799249
>>19799406
unironically bakker

[Anonymous No.19799444]

Bakkerfag genocide WHEN?

[Anonymous No.19799454]

>>19799428
You mean... Solaris?

[Anonymous No.19799576]

>>19799406
The Darkness That Comes Before but it takes awhile to develop. Also, Revelation Space.

[Anonymous No.19799624]

>>19799249
Gnosis a shit, enjoy being eaten by demons.
>this post by Psûkhe gang

>>19799406
Not exactly what you're looking for, but the Prince of Thorns trilogy is kind of like that. And it's an easy read.

[Anonymous No.19799958]

>>19799444
When you can field a worthy opponent, so never.

[Anonymous No.19800041]

>>19799406
Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19800064]

What are some good non-Tolkein (but also non-GRR Martin) fantasy? All of the ones in the official chart look like shit

[Anonymous No.19800126]

>>19799624
>implying that the Bearers of the Waters of Indara are not spider food [spoiler/]
Costanzawithhalosaroundheadandhands.jpg

[Anonymous No.19800142]

>>19799249
>>19799406
Bakker

[Anonymous No.19800148]

>>19800064
Dune is very non-Tolkien

[Anonymous No.19800164]

>>19797113
Bakker poets howl their poetry
Like a dragon risen from sorcery
Bakker poets bite with might
Destroying those who want to fight

[Anonymous No.19800173]

>>19800164
>Bakker dragons canonically scream about cunny
Based.

[Anonymous No.19800240]

What other chinkshit is similar to RI? Not so much in terms of an amoral protagonist but more good worldbuilding and a protagonist who's proactive and goes out to pick fights on his own terms, rather than sitting around waiting for the plot to come for him
Fang Yuan is the epitome of diligence

[Anonymous No.19800636]

>>19799249
yes

[Anonymous No.19800643]

>>19800240
Journey to the West

[Anonymous No.19800724]

had to ditch a big bag full of all my bakker books a few months ago when i was being pursued by gangsters.

Today the last book (TUC) arrived, i rebought them all (except for neuropath and disciple which i plan to). Just bakkerchad things

[Anonymous No.19800729]

>>19796953
Is the sequel worth reading?
The first book is fine and entertaining, more people seem to dislike the sequel though.

[Anonymous No.19800736]

>>19800064
maybe try gene wolfe

[Anonymous No.19800747]

>>19800729
Imagine reading about a fat man's self-insert
> Brandon: You guys are voting for Knights Radiant. It seems too on the nose for me, is the thing. Like naming Pat’s (Rothfuss) new book “Kvothe has sex” or something like that, you know? Yes, it’s what the book’s about, but it’s very on the nose – it’s exactly what the book’s about. Does that make sense? That’s why it bothers me, but that’s why all the marketing people are like “Yeah, that’s what it’s about! Let’s make it!”

[Anonymous No.19800784]

>>19800747
Lmao, a Sanderson roast. Brutal.

[Anonymous No.19800788]

>>19800064
You can't go wrong with the works of Lord Dunsany. The Gods Of Pegana and The King Of Elfland's Daughter are good entry points.

[Anonymous No.19800807]

>>19800724
relatable, as a bakkerchad I deal with a lot of gangsters and sandersoi goons.

[Anonymous No.19800832]

>>19800807
You wouldn't believe the hordes of sandersois that I have to deal with. Slavering, horrible creatures, always prowling around with their curved phalluses pressing high against their bellies, grunting about "magic systems" while masturbating.

[Anonymous No.19800843]

>>19800747
Maybe Sanderson is not as bad as I thought he was... I saw that clip of him being salty that Miyazaki asked Martin to work on Elden Ring and not him which was funny kek

[Anonymous No.19800861]

>>19800747
That's most of the reason I'm questioning if I want to touch the second book, the first book was simply "what if naruto was a fantasy book" and it's entertaining, I wanted something easy and knew what I was getting into, but the sequel seems really silly.

[Anonymous No.19800868]

I like reading Sanderson, cope.

[Anonymous No.19800872]

>>19800868
Didn't ask.

[Anonymous No.19800876]

>I like reading Sanderson, cope.
Do Sandersoys really?

[Anonymous No.19800950]

>>19800164
This shit is cringe as fuck. I'm sorry, but you are a fucking retard. None of your little "rhymes" are cute or funny. Nobody likes you. You come here and samefag yourself over and over thinking someone gives a shit about your very mediocre favorite fantasy series. If anything, you have made people never read it. You offer ZERO literary discussion and if jannies were doing their job you would be banned. The faggotry of this general is off the charts. I'm fucking done.

[Anonymous No.19800963]

>>19800950
Seethe.

[Anonymous No.19800971]

I hate this place
anyway, I finished Ender's Game, should I read the rest of the Ender Saga? do they match up in quality?

[Anonymous No.19801064]

>>19800971
speaker for the dead is worth reading.

[Anonymous No.19801095]

Any good sci-fi or fantasy novel or short story that deals with memory manipulation, the nature of memory, amnesia etc?

[Anonymous No.19801101]

>>19801095
PHILIP K DICK
F U C K

[Anonymous No.19801186]

>>19801095
Latro in the mist, and >>19801101

[Anonymous No.19801195]

>>19801064
so the others aren't?
do they follow a linear narrative?

[Anonymous No.19801316]

>>19801195
I haven't read the other 2 main Ender books but people seem to like the first 2 the most and the second book is definitely interesting.

[Anonymous No.19801349]

bakker is the male sarah j maas

[Anonymous No.19801357]

>Mistborn's premise is "what if the bad guy won?"
>Other than most people being turned to slaves everything is portrayed as working just fine and it's just another medieval setting with parties
>turns out he's not even a bad guy and is actually the true savior of the world
This is just disappointing imo why would you just lie on the cover like this

[Anonymous No.19801362]

>>19801357
I want to read mistborn so bad, but it has a female protagonist

[Anonymous No.19801378]

>>19801362
She's a good female protagonist though.

[Anonymous No.19801392]

>>19801378
my autism doesn't stem from misogyny, I just can't

[Anonymous No.19801413]

Any Brunner bros in here? Reading Stand on Zanzibar and it’s pretty good. I feel he got it just right on the human behaviour side, people willingly being shitty to each other because it’s socially acceptable. How similar are the other books in the set that deal with famine & pollution solely as themes?

[Anonymous No.19801476]

>>19800064
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson is perhaps *the* anti-Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.19801481]

>>19801392
you can convert it to word document and edit all the "she" "her" to "he" "him", then you can change her name to a very masculine name like chad.

[Anonymous No.19801488]

>>19801349
non-truth

[Anonymous No.19801536]

>>19801357
what did you expect, bad guy reigns supreme and fucks protagonist in the ass?

[Anonymous No.19801557]

>>19801378
Basic male female self-insert. Vin could have snagged a wealthy man and bailed on the plot in so many places.

[Anonymous No.19801559]

>>19801536
yes, would have been based

[Anonymous No.19801566]

>>19801557
She couldn't. In the book wealthy men can't marry slaves, they need to kill them after sex.

[Anonymous No.19801574]

>>19801559
I agree but this is sandersoi we are talking about, he doesn't like based things like rape.

[Anonymous No.19801617]

>>19801566
That was only the first 3rd of the book, and what is anal. The whole premise is retarded.

[Anonymous No.19801633]

>>19801349
(you) are the male woman

[Anonymous No.19801649]

>>19801617
>and what is anal.
penetrating an asshole with a phallus

[Anonymous No.19801666]

>>19801481
>>19801392
Christ, like that one woman who changed Bilbo's gender for the whole story of the hobbit to make it "better".
I doubt I will ever understand people with gender obsessed minds.

[Anonymous No.19801675]

>>19801666
>to make it "better".
more like make it pozzed

[Anonymous No.19801685]

>>19801536
I imagined a world like if Sauron ruled middle earth with orcs everywhere and humans just sitting in cages or turned into fuckmeat.

[Anonymous No.19801688]

>>19801666
pretty sure it stems from American culture brainworms

[Anonymous No.19801736]

>>19800843
will sanderson ever stop being known as "the wheel of time author"?

[Anonymous No.19801812]

>>19801357
You are supposed to feel that way and have sympathy for the Lord Ruler as you uncover more of what happened in books 2 and 3. That said, you are correct he was not the big bad of the trilogy as things got more abstract with dieties. The best part of the series to me is the how hard it is for them to find the balance that the Lord Ruler had in his order of things. I enjoyed the political landscape and the crews' initial quest to bring freedom to the Skaa and rebuild the the government. However I was far less interested with the direction Sanderson took and true meaning of the Hero of Ages. Then when you get to era 2 you realize it was a deus machina to reset the world for a new trilogy. This would have been stronger if the hero of ages just became another Lord Ruler or something as books already gave us red herrings with characters foreshadowing following his path. To me, mistborne tried really hard to tackle politics, government, religion, culture, and humanity on a Frank Herbert Dune saga way, but it was torn between trying to be a deep commentary on wide subjects and being a magic action heavy series to the point where the the latter dominated. I still think they are great books and era 2 seems to have decided more on what mistborne is, which is basically a magic action heavy adventure. He cut a lot of fat in era 2 (I'm almost done with shadow of self) and that's fine. But they also are less deep, but that depth was still a half attempt in the first trilogy because of how much it tried to tackle.

[Anonymous No.19801822]

>>19801378
Only thing very female about her is occasionally we are reminded she likes dresses and being girly for Elend. It does make it more believable however yhat she is a woman because of her fears, lack of trust, and abandonment issues. She was physically fearful of being beaten and raped until like 16.

[Anonymous No.19801867]

>>19801822
>because of her fears, lack of trust, and abandonment issues. She was physically fearful of being beaten and raped until like 16.
Fucking garbage, shitty sjw garbage pushing their retarded agenda

[Anonymous No.19801945]

>>19801812
I still don't feel like starting era 2 since it seems so boring, but the next era with computers could lead to some fun stuff with allomancy.

[Anonymous No.19801951]

>>19797772
Based

[Anonymous No.19801967]

Recommend non-garbage, non-shitty, non-sjw, non retarded and non-agenda books.

[Anonymous No.19801976]

>>19801967
The Darkness That Comes Before by King Bakker

[Anonymous No.19801989]

>>19801967
The Gilded Ones and Witches Steeped in Gold

[Anonymous No.19802014]

>>19801867
Depicting a child who'sotyer tried to kill he, was abandoned, and lives on the streets and is manipulated by criminals has nothing to do with sjw's. She was being beaten at the beginning of the book. Your brain is fucking smooth.

[Anonymous No.19802034]

>>19801867
you haven't read it lol

[Anonymous No.19802154]

>>19801967
The Second Apocalypse series.

[Anonymous No.19802263]

Fantasy/Sci-Fi books with an absolute incel loser bottom of the barrel scum fuck chud as a protagonist?

[Anonymous No.19802310]

>>19802263
Your diary desu.

[Anonymous No.19802343]

>>19801095
Burning Chrome

[Anonymous No.19802443]

>>19797392
>>19797508
I think dark fantasy done right is basically just fantasy without either the Tolkein-esque high fantasy aesthetic or a morality plot with a just or happy ending. Fantasy where you leave the blood, shit and cum in the story just as it exists in real life, and where the motivations of most characters are mostly material, most of the time. You can do that without going into edgelord territory, though it can be hard to walk the line.

Real life is pretty dark when you compare it to traditional and-they-all-lived-happily-ever-after fantasy. Think about how many of the politicians, CEOs, and others in any position of power you know of are motivated by a pure desire to help people. None of them are--for the best of them it's half morality and half money, and for the rest it's all money all the time. Same goes for kings, aristocrats and priests. Real life is defined by a bunch of people acting in their own self-interest most of the time, motivated by money, sex or boredom with just a tiny dash of altruism shining through every now and then. And in real life it tends to work out all right--our cold hearted capitalist society is actually a pretty okay place to live all things considered--but it looks downright grimdark after you get done reading some epic high fantasy bullshit.

[Anonymous No.19802455]

>>19797629
I marathoned the entire Wheel of Time series via audiobook during my commute and honestly I don't regret it. Gets dull sometimes but no more dull than sitting in traffic anyway. I don't think I could have made myself read the whole thing on paper, the repetitive prose and the dull stretches in the middle of the series would have been intolerable, but in an audiobook when I'm only half paying attention anyway it worked out just fine.

[Anonymous No.19802559]

>>19797629
Malazan

[Anonymous No.19802571]

>>19802455
This, but removing all the chapters with female narrator.

[Anonymous No.19802603]

>>19802443
ok that sounds pretty reasonable, do you happen to have any recommendations that aren't Bakker?

[Anonymous No.19802748]

I hope whichever one of you it was who recommended this book to me is 'avin a lil giggle - shit sucked. I read 10 pages of straight info dump about how "this space station was built, then another nameless space station was built, then aliens were discovered but they were basically animals so it didn't matter lol".

I skipped ahead a few pages (which I never do) and it was STILL characterless info dumping. Worse, it wasn't even interesting info dumping.

>>19802455
Not a bad way to do WOT honestly

[Anonymous No.19802751]

>>19802603
non-bakker recommendation? you have blasphemed our king, you could have said that you already know bakker and want more grimdark.

[Anonymous No.19802762]

>>19802751
well I meant more like I've already read Bakker

[Anonymous No.19802774]

>>19802762
oh it just came out like you didn't like him personally or something, choice of words can change the whole tone.

[Anοnymous No.19802780]

I want to read something like Kingdom Hearts but not as overtly homosexual.

[Anonymous No.19802783]

So I read the Chronicles in Amber series and wondered if there are any good isekai for adults in Western fiction? I know there’s tons for kids but has anyone done anything interesting with the concept?

[Anonymous No.19802791]

>>19801812
>To me, mistborne tried really hard to tackle politics, government, religion, culture, and humanity on a Frank Herbert Dune saga way.

Except that almost every "deep" thing turned out to be a bunch of old rephrased proverbs. The only thing I was able to pull out of the Trilogy of the Mormonborn is that religions serve a purpose, a thing that culminated in the end of the Hero of Ages.

[Anonymous No.19802815]

>>19802780
Kingdom Hearts but non-homo? but still a little homo but the hard kind?

say no more, Kingdom Keepers is what you want

[Anonymous No.19802817]

>>19802603
Honestly my favorite for that realistic-dark attribute is Glen Cook, especially his less well known fantasy series Instrumentalities of the Night and Dread Empire. There's a lot to criticize about them, the worldbuilding is all straight up ripped out of history books with a couple names changed, and the plots can sometimes get a little convoluted, but the motivations of the characters and their interactions with power are spot-on perfect. I especially love the protagonist of the Instrumentalities series, he's just kind of a skilled soldier who gets wrapped up in conflicting loyalties, career and sexual motivations, throughout the entire series and basically handles it all like a real human being would. He changes allegiances a few times throughout the series and it's not always a clear-cut reason like "X faction wronged me" or "Y faction offered me more money", he just goes with the flow and does the best he can in the situations he finds himself in. Kings croak off at inopportune times, geopolitics is driven more by miscommunication and bad decisions than by great schemers playing chess on the world stage, and most people are driven by motivations of career advancement, money and sex than pure good or evil.

He leaves a lot of loose ends so the stories always end up feeling sort of incomplete, but I think that works well. It just feels like you took a random snapshot of some obscure medieval country's history and threw it in a book.

Honorable mention to Joe Abercrombie though his work falls a little more on the edgelord side of the spectrum.

[Anonymous No.19802826]

>>19802783
Uh, I think Thomas Covenant is kinda that, but I haven't read it so I can't say if it's actually good or not

[Anonymous No.19802853]

>>19802826
It sounds interesting from the summary, cheers for bringing it up even if it’s not good

[Anonymous No.19802863]

>>19802853
You're welcome! I have all 6 of the books in my shelf (the first two trilogies) due to a weird scenario, but haven't read them yet. If you do end up reading it, I'd love to hear your impressions!

[Anonymous No.19802871]

>>19802817
Interesting, how is the quality compared to Black Company? Personally I felt like Black Company's quality literally went south when they went south...

[Anonymous No.19802884]

>>19802443
I think dark fantasy is fantasy that sells itself specifically on its darkness, meaning it's shit.

[Anonymous No.19802906]

>>19802871
Probably not as good as Black Company at its best, but you don't read Glen Cook for his stellar prose. You read it for messy realistic human behavior and comfy soldiers doing soldier things aesthetic which those series have plenty of.

>>19802884
I don't know, you could put Abercrombie in that category of selling itself based on its darkness but I think he's well worth reading

[Anonymous No.19802968]

>>19802817
I don't get why Abercrombie is still considered king grimdark when there's far more edgy series (like Based Bakker). His shit doesn't strike me as edgy at all, there's no gratuitous violence or extreme brutality, and the tone is fairly light. I did notice his new trilogy invoking a lot of yuropoor socialist ideals and annoying female protagonists with bumbling male counterparts, so maybe he's cucked and become woke.

[Anonymous No.19802997]

I don't really get why Tom Bombadil is hated so much, I always like reading the songs out loud and I think his chapters serve as a nice respite, it's also very short anyway

[Anonymous No.19803020]

Does /sffg/ have a favorite Sci-Fi series?
Favorite authors: Orwell, Verne, Wells, Weir

I really want to start a big series, since Sci-Fi has always been my favorite genre, but I've never committed to a long series before.

Red Rising - not a fan, stopped after book 2
Leviathan - not a fan, stopped after book 2

Is it worth it to start Dune? I know fantasy is more inclined toward long series. Should I start Wheel of Time or Robin Hobb's books?

[Anonymous No.19803023]

>>19802968
Maybe he kind of pioneered the genre at least in its modern context? I haven't read his newer trilogy so I wouldn't know about that. The thing that bothered me the most about the original one was how self-pitying and fatalistic all the characters were, especially Logen. That might be where the grimdark reputation comes in. A little cynicism is all well and good, but he overdoes it so much that all the characters seem to believe that everything they do is doomed to go to shit, all the time, no exceptions, and it gets a little tiring.

[Anonymous No.19803029]

>>19803020
Just read Bakker, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.19803046]

>>19803020
Just read the six Dune books from Frank Herbert, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.19803052]

>>19803029
>>19803046
Based and 300IQ pilled.

[Anonymous No.19803142]

>>19803020
>Should I start Wheel of Time or Robin Hobb's books?
Holy shit /sffg/, you truly have the best gags.

[Anonymous No.19803168]

>>19803020
You should save yourself the embarrassment and read Bakker

[Anonymous No.19803171]

>Several of the alien’s tentacles twisted in on themselves. [[Itari here: This form. Different forms serve different uses. You should know; you have two forms yourselves.]]
“Do they mean men and women?” said Hwa-jung.
What an ironic line for a book full of stronk womyn characters

[Anonymous No.19803173]

>>19803020
>waste of time
read hobb

[Anonymous No.19803174]

>>19803142
that's ga'ag

[Anonymous No.19803186]

>>19803142
People come here directly from /tv/. What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.19803189]

>>19803046
This series is same as Culture for me, I only liked the first book and even that was iffy

[Anonymous No.19803199]

>>19803020
Hello Newfag.

Here's the canon.

[Anonymous No.19803204]

>>19803020
Here you go. You will literally be ridiculed if you post here without having read the top 3.

[Anonymous No.19803265]

>>19803204
Its glorious being on the top, reigning supreme over the sheep

[Anonymous No.19803327]

I'm gonna read Prince of Thorns!

[Anonymous No.19803336]

>>19803327
Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19803347]

I'm gonna read Prince of Nothing!

[Anonymous No.19803361]

>>19803199
That chart could have way more books on it

[Anonymous No.19803500]

>>19803361
Probably, but when the chart reached this state there were considerably more suggestions for swicthing book's placements than suggestions for new books to add, + the guy making it was probably starting to get bored/pissed off at all of the bitching.

[Anonymous No.19803565]

im looking for a scifi book but i forgot the name of it.

it had a cat man named nikoli and the main antagonist was made of nano machines
and it had some civiliation zooming around space in a small space ship also made of nano machines, they were called protheons or proteons.

any one know the book?

[Anonymous No.19803579]

>>19803361
>>19803500
It's such an uncommonly good list too. Obviously I could quibble over specific placement forever but I'm hesitant to touch it lest the floodgates open and a bunch of shit starts to clutter it up.

[Anonymous No.19803589]

Absolute, unashamed newfag here. Please tell me why I'm supposed to hate

>Sanderson
>Rothfuss
>R.R. Martin

so I can fit it.

[Anonymous No.19803600]

>>19803589
How should I know, you tell me.

[Anonymous No.19803609]

>>19803589
Sanderson because he's prolific and well liked (and a boring person)
Rothfuss because Reddit likes him or something, I'm not sure
Martin because of general 4chan aversion to popular things

[Anonymous No.19803616]

>>19803199
How is Name of the Wind somewhat hard to get into? Literally babby's first fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19803635]

>>19803199
how the fuck is Anathem a D? checked, by the way

[Anonymous No.19803636]

>>19803589
>Sanderson
Prolific writer, really popular, writes pretty surface level stuff (usually no deeper meaning, just ok-good quality schlock), so he's hated due to contrarianism and due to his books being "low brow"

>Rothfuss
Contrarianism, him being a leftie, and his MC being a gary stu cuck

> R.R. Martin
Contrarianism, him being a lazy fatty who'll never finish GOT, and some people think his books are too cluttered.

[Anonymous No.19803641]

>>19803589
The only people who hate Martin are his fans.

[Anonymous No.19803646]

>>19803579
I agree. I also have some misgiving about some placements (Which were originally correct, in my view, but were changed due to one anon repeqtedly shitting the thread), but it's surprisingly good even then.
>>19803616
Extremelly flowery prose I guess? Idk, I didn't read it

[Anonymous No.19803655]

Is Gene Wolfe really that good (better than most of those who came after), or does /lit/ only sympathize with him out of a basic 'OLD THING GOOD / NEW THING BAD' mindset?

[Anonymous No.19803663]

>>19803635
Original post:
>Anathem
> D4 - Overlong, not worth the effort, the few interesting ideas it presents are laid out at face-value and hammered to oblivion. An effort to read from front to back. No fun at all.

[Anonymous No.19803670]

>>19803655
>new thing bad
anon...he only died like 3 years ago you know

[Anonymous No.19803672]

>>19803655
He's a clear step above most other sff authors, both his own contemporaries and current authors. Read The Fifth Head of Cerberus and you will get the idea.

[Anonymous No.19803680]

>>19803636
>writes pretty surface level stuff
It's strange, I also always had that feeling when reading Sandersons books, despite his worldbuilding being very elaborate. I believe it's because the personalities and moral themes in his stories are fairly cookie-cutter, that everything ends up being under-complex. He writes simple stories with elaborate decorations.

Either way, I think he's an okay writer (nothing about Sanderson is offensively bad), just not the eschatological conclusion of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19803718]

>>19803680
That's what i was going for in the explanation. He writes a good story, but it's just that: a story. There's no morals, no thought provoking, no interpretation, no philosophy. It's just something to have some fun while reading.
And that's not a bad thing, as reading for fun is good hell, Conan and all other pulp people here praise is pretty much that, but old so it's better. But for people who want depth to their reading or people who simply like to feel superior to othersr it's kinda empty.

[Anonymous No.19803722]

>>19803663
says (You).. says ONE PERSON!! Anathem is fantastic, especially if you like western philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19803724]

>>19803663
Can you copypaste the whole post, please?

[Anonymous No.19803739]

>>19803722
Hye, that's not my opinion, I just reposted what i saw in the thread.
In fact, another anon asked to have it bumped up to A4 or B4, but I think it was when several people were shitting up the thread with requests to change things positions, so it probably got ignored in the crossfire.
>>19803724
Sure, but there isn't anything more about Anathem in particular. >>19566954
>Rendezvous with Rama
B2 - Simple prose with simple strong ideas. Boring at times.
>Enders Game
B1 - fun and easy to read.
>Quantum Thief
B or C2 - Good but not great. Throws a lot of ideas around. Not quite serious SF but a step or two above pulp. M John Harrison would sit in a similar place.
>Ringworld
Haven't read
>Left Hand of Darkness
A or B 3 - not difficult, but tackles complex themes in a way that's sometimes dry. Beautiful at times, insightful at times, at others dry and blind.
>A Memory Called Empire
C2 - Passable modern sci fi meant mainly to entertain.
>Stranger in a Strange Land
D3 - hippie drivel
>The Man in the High Castle
Haven't read
>To Your Scattered Bodies Go
Haven't read
>Anathem
D4 - Overlong, not worth the effort, the few interesting ideas it presents are laid out at face-value and hammered to oblivion. An effort to read from front to back. No fun at all.

[Anonymous No.19803845]

>>19803029
noted.

>>19803046
Thank you very much. I will read the recommended 4.

>>19803142
Not everyone on 4chan lives on 4chan. You can't expect people who have only been here a couple weeks to know the long-trends of the boards. Every board has some equivalent of this.
> "WOW he uses SALT and PEPPER on a STEAK, top tier BAIT /ck/ NOBODY does THIS."
I'm just getting back into reading after about 6 years in the military.

>>19803168
noted x2

>>19803199
I have heard good things about A Canticle for Leibowitz.

>>19803204
Do you personally have a favorite book by Bakker, or should I just trust the internet?

[Anonymous No.19803851]

>>19803845
>Do you personally have a favorite book by Bakker, or should I just trust the internet?
Bakker's only well known for his Magnum Opus; The Second Apocalypse Series.

[Anonymous No.19803859]

>>19803845
You can't read in the military? Find that hard to believe.

Also, the Wheel of Time is absolute garbage.

[Anonymous No.19803890]

>>19803859
>Can't read in the military
Well, you see... you definitely could but
>0600 wake up
>0615 breakfast
>0700 quarters
>0730 sweepers
>0800 training
>0900-1130 Maintenance
>1130-1200 Lunch
>1200-2000 roving watch
> etc.

versus now
> Whenever the fuck I want - breakfast
> Whenever I feel like it - read
> Whatever I feel like buying - buy it

My schedule slightly supports reading sessions now.

[Anonymous No.19803932]

>>19802997
Respite from what? The story hasn't even started when Tom Bombadil shows up.

[Anonymous No.19803947]

>>19803932
The black riders and the eerie forest

[Anonymous No.19803957]

>>19802968
>people start using the term grimdark non-ironically
>see Joe's (ironic) twitter handle
>assumes his funny stories about people shitting in the woods are grimdark
et voilà!

[Anonymous No.19804082]

>>19803739
>In fact, another anon asked to have it bumped up to A4 or B4, but I think it was when several people were shitting up the thread with requests to change things positions, so it probably got ignored in the crossfire.

that was me, who is also >>19803722, who is also >>19803635 maybe I should just samefag from now on

[Anonymous No.19804162]

Can't wait for the coming war in Eastern Europe! We will get a new generation of amazing scifi!

[Anonymous No.19804175]

I have Red Mars, Schismatrix, The Difference Engine, and Void Star. What's a good one to read first?

[Anonymous No.19804186]

>>19804175
Read Void Star so you can tell me how it is.. I am intrigued by it. Red Mars is great too but a bit of a slog.

[Anonymous No.19804345]

is this accurate? should i start reading The Wheel of Time and Sanderson?

[Anonymous No.19804357]

>>19804345
Guy looks like a pop culture dork who does book hauls on Youtube. Wouldn't trust him.

I've read Mistborn and it's just an excuse to write about the magic system, pretty boring unless you want a videogame in book form.

[Anonymous No.19804411]

>>19804345
There are some good takes here, like The Witcher, The Lies of Locke Lamorra, Powder Mage, etc.
But in general these are pretty bad opinions from the point of view from someone in /sffg/. Everyone is entitled to their own incorrect opinion after all

[Anonymous No.19804448]

>>19804345
Pandering

[Anonymous No.19804515]

>>19804345
read daniel's book first

[Anonymous No.19804537]

What is your favorite Halo book?

[Anonymous No.19804584]

>>19804537
the only good Halo books are the ones by Eric Nylund which are Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx. Joe Staten who wrote the story for the Halo games is also pretty good and he wrote Contact Harvest and Shadow of Intent.

The rest of the Halo books are pretty bad, especially the 343 era ones

[Anonymous No.19804637]

>>19803327
It's decent.

>>19803199
Oh shit, I remember Sword of Truth. I like how in the 6th book the author just cut and pasted John Galt's speech from Atlas Shrugged. And the weird sadomasochist fetish he had.

[Anonymous No.19804788]

>>19804637
>tfw only 2 seasons of legend of the seeker

[Anonymous No.19804810]

>>19801967

[Anonymous No.19804970]

>>19797671

[Anonymous No.19805148]

Reminder that Agia is the best character.

[Anonymous No.19805172]

>>19799249
There is no part two.

[Anonymous No.19805220]

>>19805172
> spoiler
damn. this was pretty fun

[Anonymous No.19805228]

>>19805172
fuck you gimme part 2

[Anonymous No.19805239]

>>19805172
... how accurate is this? I feel like it's very accurate

[Anonymous No.19805248]

>>19805239
Do you mean to gnosticism or to reality?

[Anonymous No.19805305]

>>19805148
holdup holdup holdup now. gonna need some examples to support that outlandish claim.

[Anonymous No.19805311]

Tonight I finish The Iliad and then start Twilight!

[Anonymous No.19805324]

>>19797100
Is this shit worth a read?
I had enough chin chong ping pong with Meng Hao's bullshit books, not sure if I can take another 6 gorillion pages of "magic parrot rapes furries" while authors retells for 300th time that the hero has a heaven defying dick

[Anonymous No.19805380]

>>19805324
it's just a fucking meme

[Anonymous No.19805405]

>>19805324
>Is this shit worth a read?
Yeah, give it a try.

[Anonymous No.19805817]

>>19804345
This guy is so fucking stupid. He really thinks Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson are literary kings. Also Goodkind was a better writer than Jordan.

[Anonymous No.19805906]

>>19803655
He's the best the genre is likely to ever get. The modern attempt to recreate his style in Too Like the Lightning is proof enough of that.

>>19803635
Seveneves was enough to convince me that Stephenson is incapable of producing anything of value, so I believe it.

[Anonymous No.19805911]

>>19805906
>Seveneves was enough to convince me that Stephenson is incapable of producing anything of value, so I believe it.
Why though?

[Anonymous No.19805941]

This was my introduction to Tschaviosky's works. I just finished reading it and it was an amazing read. Is his "Shadows of the Apt" series like this too? Anything other works that are similar to this (wierd creatures and monsters, deconstruction of the typical fantasy)?

[Anonymous No.19805961]

>>19805911
Did you read it? It's been years, so I can't remember too many specifics, but it was so uninspired that it had Hillary Clinton and Neil DeGrasse Tyson in wigs as leads, with terrible justifications for it. I, having been doing infosec courses in college at the time I read it, remember a chapter where it was clear that he had really weak, beginner-level knowledge of cryptography, but he was confident enough to write a whole bit about it, which I imagine must have bored the shit out of anyone who didn't even have a reason to laugh at it. I kind of saw the rest of the "science" stuff in that same way, where he was really eager to apply a very rudimentary knowledge of a field in detail, to give the book some kind of veneer that it didn't really earn otherwise. Even though I didn't know as much about those other things, it just felt like he was doing the same thing in each case.

The plot also ends about two thirds of the way through, so I have to give him some credit for trying something experimental there, but it was a pretty bad experiment that anyone with good storytelling instinct would know is a bad move. And if anyone tells you they read him for the prose, they're waiting to see how long before you laugh. So really, I think that book has absolutely nothing going for it if you're not specifically interested in seeing some circa 2015 celebrity fanfiction. I think I looked at Anathem in high school but dropped it a few pages in, and Seveneves convinced me not to go back to it.

[Anonymous No.19806004]

>>19805941
>Is his "Shadows of the Apt" series like this too?
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.19806057]

>>19804537
I think Contact Harvest desu

[Anonymous No.19806070]

>>19805941
I'm apprehensive of starting a 10 book series. I don't like dropping a book which is why I ask here, yes I am retarded that way.

[Anonymous No.19806073]

>>19806004
>>19806070
Meant for you

[Anonymous No.19806077]

>>19806073
Well read it and hope you like it.

[Anonymous No.19806085]

>>19806077
stop acting like such an american
if you haven't read it, don't reply

[Anonymous No.19806091]

Why can't we be nice to each other even if someone reads pozzed things?

[Anonymous No.19806102]

>>19805941
>>19806070
Jesus Christ, just read it. What is it with people being little bitches when it comes to reading books?

[Anonymous No.19806119]

>>19806102
I don't get a lot of free time to read and when I do i don't want to spend it on mediocre books, atleast until I run out of good books. I don't understand why you have to be so annoyed about this.

[Anonymous No.19806134]

>>19806119
Because you’re wasting time here when you could have been reading the book and forming your own opinion on it and whether or not you keep on reading or not.

[Anonymous No.19806138]

[Anonymous No.19806246]

>>19804537
Fall of reach is my favorite. Followed by Contact Harvest.

[Anonymous No.19806262]

>>19804537
>>19806246
Did they ever do any books on the Spartan-III or is Halo: Reach the only time we even get to hear them?

[Anonymous No.19806274]

Did /sffg/ like it?
I did.

[Anonymous No.19806281]

>>19806274
What’s it about?

[Anonymous No.19806294]

>>19796953
I like the idea of fantasy, but I just can't into it. The politics are often so simple. Made a video talking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIJgQJPLKQE

[Anonymous No.19806300]

>>19806294
Why are you shilling your youtube?

[Anonymous No.19806305]

>>19806300
I thought people here could be interested. I put a lot of effort into it and I feel this website needs a bit of ol good deradicalization.

[Anonymous No.19806314]

>>19806294
>muh politics
Please kill yourself

>>19806281
It's volume ten of a self published western xianxia series. I know it ticks all the red flags but I enjoy it and some other anons also follow it. It's also one of the few times I come back to /sffg/ when a new one comes out.

[Anonymous No.19806325]

>>19806294
I thought it was pretty good and I like your voice. There are plenty of good fantasy novels with good politics though.

[Anonymous No.19806358]

>>19804537
Spartans are cool

[Anonymous No.19806377]

>>19805324
out of all chinkshit it is probably the only one worth reading

[Anonymous No.19806408]

what are some books that deal with interspecies romance

[Anonymous No.19806424]

Kys

[Anonymous No.19806436]

>>19806274
A kleptomaniac and a country bumpkin get recruited by a metrosexual for a journey to discover what lies even further beyond super saiyan.

[Anonymous No.19806442]

>>19806408
the foreigner series does have a interspecies relationship
maybe I haven't read enough fantasy yet, but it seems that scifi books are more willing to deal with interspecies relationships when compared to fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19806452]

>>19806408
I recently read the Radley's House series. It's a coom lit series that presents itself as being written for women, by a woman, but I am 99% certain the author is a man writing under a female pseudonym. It features a slutty Naiad, a tiny goblin girl who likes it rough, a ghost, an 8 foot tall cyplopes girl who wants to be degraded, a gargoyle girl with a human kink, and a hot Lawyer with a briefcase full of literal dragon dildoes who gets off on monster rape (although for her it isn't rape).

[Anonymous No.19806462]

>>19806300
What's your fucking problem with youtube nigga

[Anonymous No.19806464]

>>19806294
Your video is bullshit

[Anonymous No.19806540]

Are there any other series like A Song of Ice and Fire but ones where the author subtly supports the most righteous and noble characters (who can still met tragic ends)

[Anonymous No.19806545]

>>19806540
A Song of Ice and Fire

[Anonymous No.19806615]

What’s everyone opinion on Magic Realism? Is it fantasy? And can it be discuss here?

[Anonymous No.19806652]

>>19806615
>Is it fantasy?
No, it's literary genre. Has nothing to do with Fantasy

[Anonymous No.19806690]

I hated The Three Body Problem. 1 star.

Should I bother reading The Dark Forest?

[Anonymous No.19806695]

>>19806690
yes

[Anonymous No.19806704]

>>19806695
why

[Anonymous No.19806710]

>>19806704
because I said so

[Anonymous No.19806717]

>>19806690
>Should I bother reading The Dark Forest?
Are you incapable of deciding for yourself?

[Anonymous No.19806729]

>>19806717
YOU SURE SHOWED ME

nice one :)

[Anonymous No.19806730]

>>19806729
k, now read it

[Anonymous No.19806733]

New thread
>>19806731

[Anonymous No.19806745]

>>19806004
>>19806102
>ahhhhh stop asking for opinions/recommendations on books!
Suck it