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19771630 No.19771630 [Reply] [Original]

Is pic related a good book series to learn world history or is it primarily about Toynbee's thesis about civilizational life cycles with major gaps in the history of the cultures it talks about?

>> No.19771658

Toynbee was a retard so no. You're better off imo studying various cultures by themselves rather than reading some major work of 'global history' since it will be like 90% synthesis anyway and will overly abstract. Of course there are exceptions like most colonial history writing but I'm particularly speaking on pre modern history.

>> No.19772028

>>19771658
>toynbee was a retard
which is why Kissinger wrote his record-breaking senior thesis on him at Harvard, right?

you clearly have bad taste

>> No.19772051
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>>19771630
heres my recommendation, you can find all this stuff free btw

https://global.oup.com/academic/content/series/n/new-oxford-world-history-nowh/?cc=us&lang=en&prevNumResPerPage=20&prevSortField=1&sortField=7&resultsPerPage=20&start=0

>> No.19772231

>>19771630
Try H G Wells Outline of History

>> No.19772578

>>19772028
I thought his thesis was on Metternich.

>> No.19773422

>>19772028
Clearly you just looked up Toynbee on Wikipedia and apparently never even looked at the title of the thesis or what his conclusion was. Sub 80 IQ

>> No.19773458

>>19772578
his undergrad thesis was primarily about Kant, Spengler, and Toynbee (very good taste for an undergrad, desu). it was eventually converted into a book about the concert of europe afterwards. so yeah, you're wrong and you're right.

>> No.19773463

>>19773458
>very good taste for an undergrad, desu
>>>/r/eddit

>> No.19773467

>>19773422
now, you could have dunked on me very easily, but you overreached. I may be a midwit, but no sub-80 IQ person would have ever heard of Toynbee, let alone bothered to look him up on Wikipedia. I think you're taking this a little bit too seriously, trying very hard to stop people from looking into Toynbee for personal reasons, and it's conspicuous.

if you want to dissuade people from reading Toynbee, be more subtle. you should have pointed out that he was more of a passing fad in academia that eventually petered out 50 years ago. just some words of wisdom for your future shilling campaign.

besides, what's the big deal about a thesis that civilizations have a unique character and that history is cyclical? that seems interesting to me, worth at least exploring before rejecting outright.

>> No.19773472

>>19773463
Reddit hates Kissinger, and talking about Spengler will eventually get you banned there. again with the overreach.

why are you so desperate to convince people not to look at these authors, anon? it's not that big of a deal. we have a whole life time to investigate things.