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what motivates you to read philosophy?

>> No.19767109
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19767109

I don't read philosophy.

>> No.19767118

>>19767107
All men by nature desire to know. Start with the Greeks.

>> No.19767149

>>19767107
think better, write better etc

>> No.19767326

>>19767107
Imagine the mind as a muscle that has to be exercised.

>> No.19767401
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19767401

>>19767107

To learn and understand what makes you human is the power to overcome it.

>> No.19767412

>>19767107
Competition, the desire to dominate etc.

>> No.19767427

The desire to make sense of everything, to know when I can be certain of something and find a path amidst the chaos.

>> No.19767448

>>19767107

Of the Tarantulas:


"SEE, this is the tarantula’s cave! Do you want to see the tarantula itself? Here hangs its web: touch it and make it tremble.

Here it comes docilely: Welcome, tarantula! Your triangle and symbol sit black upon your back; and I know too what sits within your soul.

Revenge sits within your soul: a black scab grows wherever you bite; with revenge your poison makes the soul giddy!

Thus do I speak to you in parables, you who make the soul giddy, you preachers of equality! You are tarantulas and dealers in hidden revengefulness!

But I will soon bring your hiding places to light: therefore I laugh my laughter of the heights in your faces.

I pull at your web that your rage may lure you from your cave of lies and your revenge may bound forward from behind your word ‘justice’.

For that man may be freed from the bonds of revenge: that is the bridge to my highest hope and a rainbow after protracted storms.

But, naturally, the tarantulas would have it differently. ‘That the world may become full of the storms of our revenge, let precisely that be called justice by us’ – thus they talk together.

‘We shall practise revenge and outrage against all who are not as we are’ – thus the tarantula-hearts promise themselves.

‘And “will to equality” – that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and we shall raise outcry against everything that has power!’

You preachers of equality, thus from you the tyrant-madness of impotence cries for ‘equality’: thus your most secret tyrant-appetite disguises itself in words of virtue.

Soured self-conceit, repressed envy, perhaps your fathers’ self-conceit and envy: they burst from you as a flame and madness of revenge.

What the father kept silent the son speaks out; and I often found the son the father’s revealed secret.

They resemble inspired men: but it is not the heart that inspires them – it is revenge. And when they become refined and cold, it is not their mind, it is their envy that makes them refined and cold.

Their jealousy leads them upon thinkers’ paths too; and this is the mark of their jealousy – they always go too far: so that their weariness has at last to lie down and sleep even on the snow.

Revenge rings in all their complaints, a malevolence is in all their praise; and to be judge seems bliss to them.

Thus, however, I advise you, my friends: Mistrust all in whom the urge to punish is strong!

They are people of a bad breed and a bad descent; the executioner and the bloodhound peer from out their faces.

Mistrust all those who talk much about their justice! Truly, it is not only honey that their souls lack.

>> No.19767452

>>19767448
And when they call themselves ‘the good and just’, do not forget that nothing is lacking to make them into Pharisees except – power!

My friends, I do not want to be confused with others or taken for what I am not.

There are those who preach my doctrine of life: yet are at the same time preachers of equality, and tarantulas.

That they speak well of life, these poison spiders, although they sit in their caves and with their backs turned on life, is because they want to do harm by speaking well of life.

They want to do harm to those who now possess power: for with those the preaching of death is still most at home.

If it were otherwise, the tarantulas would teach otherwise: and it is precisely they who were formerly the best world-slanderers and heretic-burners.

I do not want to be confused with these preachers of equality, nor taken for one of them. For justice speaks thus to me: ‘Men are not equal.’

And they should not become so, either! For what were my love of the Superman if I spoke otherwise?

They should press on to the future across a thousand bridges and gangways, and there should be more and more war and inequality among them: thus my great love makes me speak!

They should become devisers of emblems and phantoms in their enmity, and with their emblems and phantoms they should fight together the supreme fight!

Good and evil, and rich and poor, and noble and mean, and all the names of the virtues: they should be weapons and ringing symbols that life must overcome itself again and again!

Life wants to raise itself on high with pillars and steps; it wants to gaze into the far distance and out upon joyful splendour – that is why it needs height!

And because it needs height, it needs steps and conflict between steps and those who climb them! Life wants to climb and in climbing overcome itself.

And just look, my friends! Here, where the tarantula’s cave is, there rises up the ruins of an old temple – just look at it with enlightened eyes!

Truly, he who once towered up his thoughts in stone here knew as well as the wisest about the secret of all life!

That there is battle and inequality and war for power and predominance even in beauty: he teaches us that here in the dearest parable.

How divinely vault and arch here oppose one another in the struggle: how they strive against one another with light and shadow, these divinely-striving things.

Beautiful and assured as these, let us also be enemies, my friends! Let us divinely strive against one another!

Ha! Now the tarantula, my old enemy, has bitten me! Divinely beautiful and assured, it bit me in the finger!

‘There must be punishment and justice’ – thus it thinks: ‘here he shall not sing in vain songs in honour of enmity!’

Yes, the tarantula has revenged itself I And alas, now it will make my soul, too, giddy with revenge!

>> No.19767470

>>19767109
who cares?

>> No.19767471

>>19767452
But so that I may not veer round, tie me tight to this pillar, my friends! I would rather be even a pillar-saint than a whirlpool of revengefulness!

Truly, Zarathustra is no veering wind nor whirlwind; and although he is a dancer, he is by no means a tarantella dancer!

Thus spoke Zarathustra."

I'm currently reading the paperback copy of the book in OP pic. I got the paperback. Very enjoyable and cozy. Would recommend. But also, can anyone recommend me similar books, because I think that I am going to finish this in a matter of days.

>> No.19767483

>>19767107
multidisciplinary interconnection, knowledge's overview and reality's basis

>> No.19767486

>>19767470
I made that post and I don't care.

>> No.19767492

>>19767448
>>19767452
>>19767471

Ok bros... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds4Gv3TEeU0

Based or cringe?

>> No.19767529

>>19767486
no, who cares about your post?

>> No.19767534

>>19767529
I know what you meant retardbro

>> No.19767551

>>19767107
Life

>> No.19767581
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19767581

Because fun things are fun

>> No.19768852

>>19767107
Nothing. That's why I don't read philosophy.

>> No.19768866

>>19767107
I wanna be like “ohhhh shit” when I read something. It’s exhilarating.

>> No.19768919

>>19767107
Only through epistemology can I know how to stretch myself out around normies

>> No.19768931

>>19767107
Threats of violence

>> No.19768941

>>19767107
philophilosophy

>> No.19769296

I can't motivate myself to read philosophy past Plato. It's such a struggle for me. I enjoyed Plato very much but the moment I hit Aristotle's logic I hit a wall and lost all interest. It's an absolute slog to get through Prior Analytics but I'll feel worse if I skip around because I know I won't have a full understanding of the system or the history and I'll feel like a pseud.

>> No.19769325

>>19767109
What 16 is reading Schopenhauer? Lmao.

>> No.19769341

>>19767107
Desire to understand the nature of all things, and therefore both my own nature and that of the world I exist in, so that I can live my life in the most perfect way possible.
>>19769296
Stop being a colossal fucking joke and just read the shit you find interesting anon. If you're that bothered about skipping Aristotle, then you will return to him later when the time is appropriate and you have the interest to do so. As it is now, you are just wasting time.

>> No.19769523

>>19769341
I try to think that way, brother, but Aristotle is such a colossal figure and the stuff I'm interested in tends to be so influenced by him that I lose the motivation to push on ahead. I'm not one to get into arguments on /lit/, and I don't care if other people think I'm a pseud, but it's important to me to feel I have a grasp on the subject I'm reading about and preferably a solid foundation before moving onto something new.

>> No.19769724

>>19769523
Just move on and Google shit that you don't understand. Unless you plan to spend your life researching medieval scholasticism or something, Aristotle is really not all that. Stop wasting time with excuses and get reading. If you have resolved to dive deep into philosophy then you have a duty to actually see it through - not in ten years, but now.

>> No.19769729

>>19767109
Where's Jesus in that picture?

>> No.19769741

>>19767107
hunger

>> No.19769742

>>19769325
Edgy ones. Most edgy teenagers read Nietzsche, they are quickly introduced to Schopenhauer afterwards.

>> No.19769760

>>19768866
I have never had this experience with philosophy.

>> No.19769788

>>19769296
I jumped from Plato to Nietzsche then Hume and Buddha. Next is Kant and Schopenhauer. Buddha was so much fun. Mystic ninja mahamogallana and ANGULIMALA. Absolutely musical story telling. I cried about this one courtesan royal hooker that enhanced her hustle with the Buddha's lessons. They called her the Mango woman. Not patachara but hmmm don't remember

>> No.19769810

Getting into philo by reading Nietzsche is like getting into cinema by watching crappy reaction videos on YT. Read the source materials and MAYBE, just maybe later read N for fun.

>> No.19769822

>>19769810
I'm guessing you got into Cinema by reaction click bait videos.

>> No.19770148

>>19769810
Shut the fuck up pretentious faggot I will read whatever I want.

>> No.19770166

>>19767107
I want to solve the damn thing.

>> No.19770319

>>19767107
Proletariat revolution.

And >>19767109 is a chud for including Marx in that image, when Marx is exit level. He is the final stage, the destination

>> No.19770434

>>19767107
Not knowing shit and boredom usually