[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 47 KB, 448x684, images (84).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
19746034 No.19746034 [Reply] [Original]

How to subvert a nation 101

>> No.19746045

>>19746034
Reading it right now, loving it. I just read the chapter that was rejected by the editor this morning. I love how Dostoevsky writes dialogue, every conversation is intense and engaging, like a duel. People are always flying at each other or 'turning purple' and getting faint or dizzy and clenching and sweating.

>> No.19746194

>>19746045
It gets slow. Real thing doesn't start until 200-250 page

>> No.19746213

>>19746194
I am well beyond that. The 'slow' parts are great too.

>> No.19746238

>>19746034
Is there a super literal translation of his work or is it changed to make it palpable for English brain

>> No.19746582

>>19746238
Just decide on one. Theme almost remains the same

>> No.19746706

>>19746034
Be Honest--did this book originally become such a meme on here because of Jordan Peterson?

>> No.19746856

>>19746706
yes, Jordan Peterson literally invented dostoyevsky

>> No.19746940

>>19746706
retard

>> No.19746950

>>19746706
Shits in the air troop.

>> No.19746983

>>19746045
literally anime tier

>> No.19747007

>>19746983
anon,I...

Ok I'm hooked, why?

>> No.19747542

>>19746706
I don't think Demons is a meme. It only gets discussed every once in awhile. It just happens that several anons decided to read it at the same time so there have been a couple of threads lately. If anything, I'd say the book is just very relevant to current times. I don't think this book would have nearly as much meaning to the average European/American reader 20 years ago as it does today. Now we see acquaintances from our youths on social media becoming radicals, just as we see old liberals turn harder to the left in order to keep up with current ideas and maintain relevance. The book could practically be set in the 2020s, maybe in some small town outside of Portland, and still more or less make sense. The insight still rings very true.

>> No.19747608

>>19747542
This
Berlin Alexanderplatz was pretty popular around here a couple years ago.
Part of it was because of a new translation and part of it was we were seeing brownshirts and commies brawling in the streets and 9 year olds were transitioning or twerking at gay pride parades.
Unfortunately we live in interesting times.

>> No.19748793

>>19746856
Ok thanks

>> No.19748913

Bros Shatov is about to hand over the printery please tell me he'll be fine

>> No.19748991
File: 1.71 MB, 3840x2160, PXL_20220108_163853918.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
19748991

>>19747542
I like it

>> No.19749134
File: 37 KB, 591x512, E-fwjvuVIAQEqN7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
19749134

>>19748913
The worst is yet to come, my friend. The worst is yet to come.

>> No.19749186

>>19746983
All acording to keikaku. (T. N: keikaku means plan).

>> No.19749205

>>19746856
Peterson, the invention of the Dostoievsky - by Harold Bloom.

>> No.19749302

>>19747542
>>19746034
Is this the one that has
>The Movement/Party
?
Does it has the "stupid friend" that seems all sophisticated?

Or is it one by Tolstoy ?

>> No.19749318

>>19749134
Kirillov...
Stepan, mon cher ami...

>> No.19749540

A little tangent -- the Russian movie adaptation (available on Yewtube) has excellent casting. Gave me a vivid picture of the characters as I read the book.

>> No.19749546

>>19746238
Pevear is best in that regard

>> No.19749636

that says Demons

>> No.19749643

>>19749540
Is it good?

Are there any good books of Russia set around 1880-1905 as things were getting even worse?

>> No.19749760

What's the best translation? Is Penguins fine? I'm hesitant to buy from them because some of the classics are abridged

>> No.19750397

>>19749760
The Michael R. Katz translation is really good. Also has a bunch of useful notes and the rejected chapter mentioned earlier in the thread.

>> No.19750531

>>19749760
Penguins is fine, good translation + lots of notes

>> No.19750619

>>19749643
>Are there any good books of Russia set around 1880-1905 as things were getting even worse?
Russia wasn't necessarily getting worse in that period, unless you mean industrialization and the 1905 revolution. If mean by getting worse you mean the Russian revolution, that was in 1917 and the "getting worse" period was the First World War

>> No.19750878

>>19749540
Stavrogin is particularly well casted. Pyotr as well. Stepan was a little different from what I had in my head.

>>19750619
The War was honestly a wet dream for these revolutionary types, going by Pyotr's plan of action. Cause chaos, destroy the sense of honor, shake the foundations of society so it can be remade. Nicholas II literally did all the hard work for him.