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>> No.19743454

>>19743448
narrator is ... le bad

>> No.19743650
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>>19743448
It's all religious symbolism.
I enjoyed it overall, but it did get kinda rambly in the later books.

>> No.19743651

>>19743448
Read it again and focus on one particular aspect of the story, such as the characters, world, or ideas.

>> No.19743673

Read it again.

>> No.19743678

>>19743448
The book is terrible, it's that simple.

>> No.19743719

>>19743448
>man who should have no businesss finding God (Christ) in a time seemingly absolutely cut-off from God (Christ) nevertheless finds God (Christ) (God is infinitely far but infinitely close etc. etc.)

>> No.19743741

raping Jolenta in the boat is a reference to the Eyes of the Overworld right

>> No.19743783

>>19743448
I read the first two volumes ages ago and for a long time I thought it was the absolute worst thing I'd ever read. For some reason though, I decided to re-read them near the end of last year, and it's actually alright you know. Hardly the greatest piece of literature you'll ever read, but still quite fun and enjoyable and that, good to read if you ever feel tired of reading too many big boy classic novels and want something to read in between that. I just got the other two volumes yesterday so I'll read them soonish.

>> No.19743821

>>19743741
who said it was rape?

>> No.19743838

Is it still worth reading in le current year, or one of those overrated boomer canon books?

>> No.19744021

It's unironically the book of the century.

>> No.19744053

>>19743678
There's always one anon that got filtered that feels compelled to post in Wolfe threads.

>> No.19744056

Everytime I have looked into a thread on this it is a bunch of anons talking about supposed religious symbolism and catholic values but they never go into what those are and how they are represented in the series, they just go on about all the rape. This series more than anything convinced me that the tradcath larpers on this board are just incels trying to explain way their inceldom with muh values.

>> No.19744083

>>19744056
There literally was no rape.

>> No.19744093

>>19744083
I have seen a good number of threads talking about Severin raping people, and no one ever says there was no rape.

>> No.19744118

>>19744093
nope. never happened. he just says this:
>"quick and clumsy with Jolenta (whom I might have been said to have raped, though I believed then and believe still that she wished it)."
that's where the memes come from

>> No.19744124

>>19744118
My point is still unchanged, they don't discuss the supposedly deep religious implications, they meme about rape. Says a great deal about the readers.

>> No.19744152

>>19744124
wolftards we got too cocky....

>> No.19744248

The underlying meta story is that humanity did something bad and was exiled from the galactic community, and this is a problem because now the sun is dying. Think of Dark Souls 1 where the branded undead represents the changing order. The individual undead can either extend the age of fire which is the bad ending, or it can usher in the new age of dark, which is good. That's essentially what the position of autarch is. The previous autarch's failed in their quest of representing humanities repentance and extended the "age of fire" so to speak. I think people really overstate the religious significance of the story but there's definitely some Catholic thought on sin and repentance to found. Severian is obviously a Christlike figure that saves humanity.

>> No.19744947

>>19744056
*tips

>> No.19745705

>>19744056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZxArCnJDRk

>> No.19746333

>>19743650
That is honestly a very bad take on the spires of Nessus. It's millions of years in the future and the type of spaceships masquerading as buildings are beyond our time and completely alien and exotic.