/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.19736852]

Knight vs Orcs edition

Previous Thread:>>19723974

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
>>>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

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>>>/t/1023504

>Discord
Never going to be created.

[Anonymous No.19736857]

>>19736852
Are the Red Rising and Expanse series any good? I want to find a new sci fi series to read and I see those mentioned frequently.

[Anonymous No.19736861]

Post excepts from your favorite book. Convince me

[Anonymous No.19736911]

>>19736621
What’s your exact beef with this picture, and if you please, post something you like.

[Anonymous No.19736914]

rec for something manly and not pozzed
gratuitous violence and rape scenes welcome

[Anonymous No.19736930]

>>19736914
Rape isn’t manly.
There’s Conan and then there’s Gor Tarnsmen

[Anonymous No.19737054]

>>19736914
Night Winds by Karl Edward Wagner.
Make sure you download the original non-pozzed version though.

[Anonymous No.19737073]

>>19736911
Not him, but it looks like a low quality photobash.

[Anonymous No.19737101]

>>19737054
>Make sure you download the original non-pozzed version though.
hmmmmm?

[Anonymous No.19737130]

rec me a book with this feel

[Anonymous No.19737151]

>>19737101
There's an e-version you can buy off Amazon with horrible covers that's been censored at points by the cocksuckers who released it. DO NOT read that one. Read any copy that has pic related as the cover.

[Anonymous No.19737152]

>>19737151
is it really good?

[Anonymous No.19737156]

>>19737130
Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions

[Anonymous No.19737212]

>>19737130
god I wish that were me

[Anonymous No.19737222]

>>19736857
Book 1 is great and the high point of the series. Everything else is plain worse

Book 2 and 3 are the author repeatedly changing his mind on what he wants to do with his story, being a pussy and refusing to write a proper relationship, rehashing old plot points and overall just faffing around. The ending is fine, and if you want to read all three for completion, it's okay, just know you peaked early.

The sequel series is worthless and should be ignored.

[Anonymous No.19737223]

>>19737130
Barsoom series.

[Anonymous No.19737228]

>>19737222
>Red Rising is a 2014 dystopian science fiction novel
already a warning sign

[Anonymous No.19737233]

>>19737212
you wish you were a female alien dressed like a stripper?

[Anonymous No.19737235]

Any fantasy books that aren't retarded deconstructions? And no fucking faggots as MC. Preferably a single POV too.

[Anonymous No.19737237]

>>19737233
Especially a sexy blue one

[Anonymous No.19737373]

>>19737235
Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.19737449]

>>19736914
Conan The Barbarian is very manly but in an unbased way, there is simp tendencies and its very bad. Conan actually gives attention to women and sometimes saves them, yeah he does it in a manly way and he is not kind to them while saving them but he is saving them in the end and he is unbased for it, more like Conan the Simpian. so make of this what you will, he may be non pozzed but the deeper you analyze him the more pozzed he gets.

[Anonymous No.19737651]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19737674]

Stories by women: never again

[Anonymous No.19737675]

>>19737674
Fixed

[Anonymous No.19737685]

>>19736852
Read this book. It says we pre-plan our lives as spirits before each lifetime with our soul group. A must read to attain enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.19737694]

[Anonymous No.19737765]

>>19737651
I will pirate his books to see if you are correct now. Thank you for the recommendation that I'm certain won't be overrated fucking 2edgy4u copy paste of Tolkien # 999,999,999,999

[Anonymous No.19737770]

>>19737449
>Wommin BAD! >:^(

Have sex, touch grass etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.19737790]

>>19737770
There's a guy who read Cradle and said its pozzed shit because there are female characters. Maybe the same guy.

[Anonymous No.19737801]

>>19737790
No, not me.

[Anonymous No.19737913]

>>19737765
not my problem

[Anonymous No.19737982]

>>19737685
>author's credentials on the cover
There is no bigger red flag

[Anonymous No.19738083]

>>19736852
I like listening to audiobooks to fall asleep to, nothing serious, just something fun. Last I listened to was Ring World but I'm out of ideas now.

Suggestions and summaries?

[Anonymous No.19738153]

>>19736852
Reminder: the /r/fantasy list isn't really going to be that much different overall from what it would be for /sffg/.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/p1mwnx/the_rfantasy_2021_top_novels_poll_results/

Do you prefer self-published? Look here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/r9hic0/rfantasys_top_selfpublished_novels_2021_results/

How about horror?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/qg71bs/rfantasy_top_horror_novels_poll_results/

WOMEN!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/n713om/rfantasys_top_books_by_women_2021_results/

Need more?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/search?q=flair_name%3A%22Big%20List%22&restrict_sr=1

[Anonymous No.19738201]

>>19738153
Top 2021 Reddit fantasy novels:
>#1 Brando sando
>#2 "middle earth universe"
>#3 Brando Sando
>Dune???

[Anonymous No.19738263]

>>19737152
Kane is completely based

[Anonymous No.19738357]

>>19738083
Malazan will put you asleep for a year

[Anonymous No.19738362]

>>19738153
lmao

[Anonymous No.19738606]

>>19738362
GERM will probably go down in popularity because unlike other fantasy authors, he doesn't have a complete story. He is going to have to publish books again and finish a lot of lose ends in order to get fans back I think.

[Anonymous No.19738728]

>>19738153
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/p1mwnx/the_rfantasy_2021_top_novels_poll_results/
Top 20 only has couple of decent things lol. Tolkien is good, ASoIaF is decent, Dune is good and Earthsea is good (the first book). Everything else is mediocre to bad.

[Anonymous No.19738735]

>>19738153
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/p1mwnx/the_rfantasy_2021_top_novels_poll_results/
Btw, Book of the New Sun is placed 58. It should be 1. This is nothing like what /sffg/ would choose.

[Anonymous No.19738737]

>>19738083
Theres the rest of Niven's Known Space books. Crashlander in particular is fun, short stories about one dudes adventures.
World Out of Time and Integral Trees aren't Known Space but they're still fun.
Integral Trees' sequel is boring as fuck tho.

[Anonymous No.19738748]

>>19738737
I'm thinking Number of the Beast

[Anonymous No.19738750]

>>19737675
Proud of you, anon

[Anonymous No.19738776]

I just finished reading necrotech, solely as research into bad librul scifi.
The author has 500 hours in Mass Effect and it really, really shows; not a single original or well executed idea in the entire thing.
OTHER THAN the bit about how some people genetically enhance themselves with the Warrior Gene and end up chimping out, that was something I'd expect to find in Jaihoo or a "dude banned from twitter" book.

[Anonymous No.19738808]

I just finished Piranesi, what did I think of it?

[Anonymous No.19738847]

>>19738735
You aren't /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.19738881]

>>19738776
Troon on the cover wasn't enough to stave you off?

[Anonymous No.19738893]

>tfw when memers forget they were memeing and come to sincerely believe

>tfw when propagandists believe their own propaganda

[Anonymous No.19738916]

>>19738881
It wouldn't make for good research material if it didn't have a troon on the cover and the author didn't look like THAT.

[Anonymous No.19739191]

Finished Mistborn book 2. No wonder you guys said it was weaker than book 1. It's literally more complex and touches on characters, political intrigue, and philosophy. It probably flies over the head of readers that were in book 1 for the magic. I think Mistborn would actually be better without the hard magic. That stuff adds little to these books from a literary sense I think other than bloated action scenes and plot devices that substituted for character development. Sadly the magic seems to be the main reason why he is successful based on majority of reviews I read. I guess majority of readers just want vidya magic. I much prefer the camp of thought where magic should be subtle and least explained. I think Herbert is a good example of this (even though it's spice evolution and not magic but same thing). What do you guys think? Is a magic system good or is it just to get smooth brains to read your books?

[Anonymous No.19739196]

>>19738881
those comments on the cover

[Anonymous No.19739243]

>>19739196
LMAO I just read those. yeesh

capcha WANG2

[Anonymous No.19739275]

>>19738847
I'm not the embodiment of /sffg/, yes, but saying that a list done here would look anything like the Reddit one is absolute delusion. The placement of BotNS embodies that. Nobody sane would put anything by Sanderson that high, let alone above Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.19739282]

kj parker's new book is out

>>19738776
>OTHER THAN the bit about how some people genetically enhance themselves with the Warrior Gene and end up chimping out, that was something I'd expect to find in Jaihoo or a "dude banned from twitter" book.
i'm guessing it's a reference to steroid abuse causing violent outbursts

[Anonymous No.19739294]

>>19739275
Clearly you don't believe the actual evidence and prefer to believe that spammers and rigged polls are closer to the truth.

[Anonymous No.19739297]

>>19738201
>>19738362
branderson number one kek

[Anonymous No.19739344]

>>19739282
The author could have used roid rage, neither the character nor the gene thing are mentioned again, but instead we got:

Fagan’s features were all the usual mixes, the standard
plethora of genetic grabbag this city bred like cockroaches, but
this build, the tone to his skin, and the spittle peppering the
desk made me consider black-market gene therapy instead –
Māori, maybe, or Samoan; something that culturally favored
bulk over lean muscle.
A serious problem.
Gene therapy is capitalistic science – legit in every way except
the side effects. Some consumerist test panel took the best parts
of a culture they didn’t understand, shoved it into a pill and
assumed everything would work like expected. Only it didn’t.
Science can isolate the genes, but genes don’t end at skin and
bone.
Right around the time the cultural fringe died out as a pure
strain, psychologists stopped talking about genetic memory.
Critics called it the dying breath of an extinct race. By the time
scientists distilled entire cultures down into strands of DNA,
there wasn’t anybody around to remember the concept. Until the
shit went viral in people too impressionable to handle it.
It was a lot like the brief and bloody fad for “real” pet wolves.
They cultivated the raw genetic base into dogs, then farmed
them out for major pay to bored fuckheads with more creds than
common sense. Who then got a shitload of surprise when
originally tame animals turned feral and savaged their owners.
Most pure strains went the way of the wolves ages ago. Only
thing keeping native civilizations alive is the gene therapy that
doesn’t understand them and some seriously ignorant idolatry
from naïve fetishists.
A man like Officer Fagan here probably wanted muscle and a
warrior makeup to lord over his small-time beat, and ended up
with enough additional testosterone and misplaced cultural fury
to kill his brain cells. Not that science cared. Racial memory
wasn’t the kind of thing the corporations wanted to waste time
disproving. In the spirit of entrepreneurialism, they ignored the
evidence, marked the gene pills as all-natural and set it loose.
Fagan didn’t strike me as the homeopathic type, but here we
were. All for what? Some extra meat and bragging rights?
Fuck that. His armchair athleticism wasn’t equipped to
handle the instinct of a warrior culture murdered by the
civilization that sold them, and I’d bet my life that his nanos
would overcompensate for the surge of killing fury. That meant
if he got angry enough, I’d be paste on the wall of this dingy
interrogation room. He’d rip my arms off before I got the cuffs
free.

[Anonymous No.19739605]

>>19738362
>no Bakker
If reddit hates him then perhaps he's worth a read.

[Anonymous No.19739615]

>>19739605
This. I'm going to read him next. He's pretty hyped in these threads.

[Anonymous No.19739666]

>>19739294
You have provided zero evidence though. Every reader recommendation list here place Wolfe high.

[Anonymous No.19739855]

>>19739666
You are confusing popularity with quality. A minority of /sffg/ believes as you do. Not the majority. Such polls are indicators of popularity among the majority and nothing else. You wouldn't accept any presented evidence that goes against your beliefs so there isn't any reason for me to do so. The main reason being that we have incompatible arguments.

[Anonymous No.19739858]

>>19739605
>If reddit hates him
Have you seen top 50 most played songs on Spotify?

Do you think that the masses have a refined taste on anything?

[Anonymous No.19739926]

>>19739605
He's on the list, occupying place 99 of 204 (tied with Berserk lmao), thus he's even in the upper half

[Anonymous No.19740015]

>>19739926
I know a false flag attempt when I see one.

[Anonymous No.19740385]

Dunyain= weaponized autism. What did you do when you came to this realization?

[Anonymous No.19740401]

>>19739855
You have shown me literally zero evidence that people in /sffg/ love Sanderson more than they love Wolfe. You're being a schizo about this and thus try to deflect and claim I wouldn't even believe you. Of course I won't believe you, if you refuse to show any evidence.

[Anonymous No.19740449]

>>19740385
>What did you do when you came to this realization?
jerked off to bbc then re read 2nd apocalypse

[Anonymous No.19740497]

>>19737765
>Bakker as Tolkien copypasta
No, Tolkien is closet soft-gay, Bakker is hard gay. Very different.

I used to think Tolkien was based but then I read the books and the singing and Tom Bombidil is soft gay as fuck, and the eleves too. Also the orcs and evil men are less explicitly non-Whites.

Bakker is so degenerate it actually btfos the pozzed and becomes re-basedified. I swear, I bet Trump himself read this shit and recommended to Baron.

[Anonymous No.19740513]

>>19737235
Library at Mount Char

[Anonymous No.19740519]

>>19740401
Again, I'm talking about popularity and majority* opinion. Only a minority have read Wolfe. Yes, I fully agree with that among a subset of /sffg/ Wolfe is highly praised. I'm saying that he isn't read enough for it to a /sffg/ consensus. Sure, if you want to say it is among the "elite", "literary snobs", or "tastemakers", then alright. That was never the argument though. For example, in the /sffg/ GR group, which again I don't believe you'd find as worthwhile or valid evidence, and I understand that, Sanderson is by far the most read and highest rated. Are these 500+ members representative of /sffg/? I don't know, but it seems more likely to me that it is than an unknown number of anonymous posters who say otherwise. This is not to say that Sanderson is a better writer than Wolfe or anything else. I'm simply saying that Sanderson is more read and better rated. There are those read and enjoy both. Wolfe is very highly regarded, just not by as many. It all comes back to whose opinions you care about. If we judged solely by what's posted in the thread, then clearly Bakker is the greatest author who has ever lived.


*plurality really since no majorities exist, but that's a different issue.

[Anonymous No.19740545]

>>19740519
TL;DR: You have too high an opinion of the average poster in this general.

[Anonymous No.19740701]

what do we think about authors who use cursive on some words and shit like that. or have the narrator say "haha", or use parenthesis

[Anonymous No.19740747]

>>19740701
I think anyone that says "haha" needs a bullet directly through their brain

[Anonymous No.19740753]

>>19740701
I think saying "haha" is very pozzed and unbased

[Anonymous No.19740786]

>>19740497
>the singing and Tom Bombidil is soft gay as fuck
TRUE! who cares about some fat soft boi hiding in the woods, instead of doing based things he hops around and jiggles his fat ass.

[Anonymous No.19740841]

>>19740401
Practically every poster in here has tried Sanderson while I'm pretty sure no one, not even you, have actually read anything Wolfe. Even if half the people here dislike Sanderson, he'll get the higher ranking. Simple fact.

[Anonymous No.19740968]

>>19740841
Everyone having tried Sanderson wouldn't make him popular. I've tried him and he's garbage. I've also read Wolfe, so not sure what you're implying. He's not some mystical personage, which you can't understand. I used him as an example of a competent writer.

[Anonymous No.19740979]

>>19740519
Ok, maybe you're right. Still, I wouldn't put much emphasis on a Goodreads group. I remember when it was shilled and didn't think much of it. Most people probably won't use it. It's a sample of the user base though.

[Anonymous No.19741218]

>>19736861
don't like

[Anonymous No.19741240]

>>19738847
I am /sffg/ , he is correct. kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.19741263]

Bakker and Bakker fans are all homosexuals, they hide their love for homosexuality behind mask of "sophisticated philosophy" that is present in Bakker's gorejournals. SAD!

[Anonymous No.19741329]

>>19738847
Why are you telling him that but not
>>19738153

[Anonymous No.19741338]

>>19741263
We don't hide our homosexuality, that's what some soft gays do, we are just not annoying about it like the soft gays who are out of the closet

[Anonymous No.19741410]

>>19741263
Was planning on reading bakker... Is it really gay? How gay?

[Anonymous No.19741416]

>>19741329

[Anonymous No.19741430]

[Anonymous No.19741512]

>>19741410
It's the gayest thing I've ever read

[Anonymous No.19741547]

>>19741416
so you're a hypocrite
ok

[Anonymous No.19741565]

>>19741547
It's more than you either didn't understand or willfully didn't. No single person is /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.19741567]

>>19741565
you're both making broad statements about what "sffg" would want, then crying when someone else says it isnt so
except you're a redditor so a faggot by default

[Anonymous No.19741596]

>>19741565
Ignore reddit discussions. Wolfeposting is to be reinstated. There was a dream that was /sffg/. It shall be realised. These are the wishes of anonymous.

[Anonymous No.19741606]

Need a good place to find audio books, international, ideally for free or in a library-like system with a flatrate as long as I pay a monthly fee.
Tried local library but I'm German and they have jack shit for niche interest and English books.
I tried the pirate bay but for skke reason they dont have or can't find some highly recommended books from here.
Also no Amazon.

[Anonymous No.19741617]

>>19741606
tried rutracker?

[Anonymous No.19741625]

>>19741567
I hope your tribalism works out for you.

>>19741596
May your upcoming spam campaign be fruitful.

[Anonymous No.19741632]

>>19741596
>There was a dream that was /sffg/
And apparently the dream is to become reddit 2.0 because any time someone tries talking about a book that isn't by one of your three favourite authors or already on the best/reccomended lists, it gets completely fucking ignored, so quit bitching about reddit tier shit you reddit tier faggots.

[Anonymous No.19741656]

>>19741632
Do not deny the trinity of Tolkien, Wolfe, and Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19741660]

>>19741632
I personally don't even understand why books which feature homosexuality are even discussed here, like why would anyone be interested in talking about them here (and not go to /lgbt and talk about it there). It just ruins and pollutes the thread.

[Anonymous No.19741669]

>>19741656
The only thing good about tolkien is that he did it first.
havent even bothered reading the other two because of all the reddit tier fagging that goes on here for them.

[Anonymous No.19741683]

>>19741660
GRI (Gay, Rape, Incest) is the foundation upon which all of /sffg/ rests. Anyone who wouldn't worse at the altar of GRI doesn't belong here.

>>19741669
You are lost. I pity you.

[Anonymous No.19741686]

Sanderson is my favorite author. I've read almost all of his books and I've never even heard of Wolfe outside of /sffg/, nor read any of his books. Oh and I loved Name of the Wind. Someone post a strawpoll.

[Anonymous No.19741707]

>>19741683
You are either a faggot or you have been brainwashed by homosexual and liberal propaganda. No matter what, how much effort aurhor put into their work(prose, story, plot, characters etc) if it has homosexual themes it is garbage and they author is scum and a parasite.

[Anonymous No.19741712]

>>19741606
Audible credits break down to something like 12 bucks. You buy 3 at a time + your free credit each month with your subscription. You can buy a 50 hour book for the same price as a 10 hour.

[Anonymous No.19741714]

>>19741683
>You are lost. I pity you.
Nah, I'm just off in a section of the human library that you guys have never been to because noone spooonfed you that there is good stuff to be found there.
Tolkien was great and mindblowing.... when I was 12.

[Anonymous No.19741724]

>>19741686
Unironically kill yourself. You are vermin of the lowest kind.

[Anonymous No.19741727]

>>19741660
I don't care if characters are fags if they are good characters and it's a good story and there is no agenda. I'm guessing Bakker has some characters that happen to be gay and it's not the focus.

[Anonymous No.19741747]

>>19741727
>I'm guessing Bakker has some characters that happen to be gay and it's not the focus.
it may not be the focus of the story but that's no erroneous detail, it requires that Bakker thought "a fag is the best thing for this part of the story, noone else will do" and then he had to go on and think "what would a fag do?"
Who the fuck chooses to do this if they aren't at least a little bit gay?

[Anonymous No.19741788]

>>19741683
>>19741707
>chuds fighting chuds
the "duality" of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.19741792]

>>19741727
If it has gay characters, even if they are good and interesting, they have agenda. There is simply no other reason to include gay characters unless one has agenda on their mind.
When you say you don't care about gays then surely you don't care gay sex scenes and gay behaviour, you are opposed to it because if you were that would be considered 'caring'

[Anonymous No.19741802]

...and thus went the dissolution

[Anonymous No.19741804]

Are fggts posting this on every sff book now?

[Anonymous No.19741808]

>>19741804
Yes, it's a great way to pre-filter books to not read

[Anonymous No.19741813]

>>19741788
>>>chuds fighting chuds
>>the "duality" of /sffg/
>chud fighting "chuds fighting chuds"
The "trinity" of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.19741817]

>>19741792
Absolutely, I remember when I was still young my mother tried getting me to read mercedes lackey, first book I picked up turned out to be a faggot mage, the second book I tried the hero turned out to be a horse fucker.

[Anonymous No.19741835]

>>19741817
Absolutely what? You are gay or you just enjoy reading gay sex scenes and horse fucking scenes?

[Anonymous No.19741842]

>>19741835
ngl but those saber doujins are some of my favorites

[Anonymous No.19741850]

>>19741835
>There is simply no other reason to include gay characters unless one has agenda on their mind.
I was agreeing with this.
Stories had no reason or need for those sexual deviances to be included, all partner roles would have been filled just as well or better by a heterosexual woman.

[Anonymous No.19741851]

>>19741842
Just kys fag

[Anonymous No.19741864]

>>19741617
I have now. It's all in Russian and I couldn't find a language button so I had to use auto translate. when I tried to search for things it asks me for login credential and I have to be honest: it ticks off all the warning boxes for a site that is not to be trusted.
>>19741712
Fuck off Jeff, I specifically said no amazon

[Anonymous No.19741881]

>>19741864
I've seen a lot of people mention audiobookbay. There's also other sites and methods, but I don't know any with much of a selection.

[Anonymous No.19741887]

The default sexual relationship is male and female. This is the relationship of 99% of all couples throughout all of history. Any story that you want to do with a gay couple could be done with a straight couple. The only exception is when the homosexuality itself is an issue, such as eg two women in a deeply intolerant society hiding their feelings towards each other while being married to men and having secret dalliances and what not that would get them burned at the stake if anyone found out. If the setting is accepting towards gays like they are all nowadays then there's literally no narrative purpose for homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.19741890]

>>19741887
Nobody fucking cares. Stop falseflagging already.

[Anonymous No.19741891]

>>19741864
>no amazon
but why? you wanna lose the books on some offbrand platform?

[Anonymous No.19741892]

>>19741890
Plenty of people care

[Anonymous No.19741914]

>>19741887
Yet fags exist, therefore people write them in books to express reality.

[Anonymous No.19741922]

>>19741864
>it ticks off all the warning boxes for a site that is not to be trusted.
how does that even apply to a website on the internet? it is not a fucking pit full of venomous snakes that you have avoid, it is a website, a ones and zeroes that you copy off a remote server, if you can't or don't know how to search without logging in then just create fake profile, you dumb retard

[Anonymous No.19741928]

>>19741914
>reality
>science fiction and fantasy

[Anonymous No.19741929]

>>19741410
>Cnaiur began wading to shore; the surf broke about him, as insubstantial as smoke.
>"I did everything you asked," he called over the surrounding thunder. "I shamed my father into battling you. I betrayed him, my tribe, my race..."
>The water dropped from his massive chest to the concave plane of his stomach and groin. A wave crashed about his white thighs, tugged upon his long phallus. Kellhus filtered out the Meneanor's clamour, bound his every sense to the approaching barbarian. Steady pulse. Bloodless skin. Slack face...
>Dead eyes.
>And Kellhus realized: I cannot read this man.
>"I followed you across the trackless Steppe."
>The slap of bare feet across waterlogged sand. Cnaiur paused before him, his great frame glistening as though enamelled in the moonlight.
>"I loved you."
that gay

[Anonymous No.19741935]

>>19741914
no

[Anonymous No.19742030]

>>19741724
https://strawpoll.com/p3q83x7q2

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.19742031]

>>19736852
AIs - Gardner Dozois & Jack Dann, editors (2004)

Antibodies - Charles Stross (2000)
Interdimensional travelers seek to prevent the development of Strong AI across worldlines. Compares very unfavorably for me personally against H. Beam Piper's Paratime stories and some other similar sorts. There's just something about technothrillers in general that seems to bother me. Despite being so short, I sighed and rolled my eyes a lot.
Blah

Trojan Horse - Michael Swanwick (1984)
Around the time this story was published was when the experiments with the "god helmet" were ongoing. It's about how the neuroscience of religion could maybe be used to create godlike humans. It's also a dysfunctional love story involving wetware experiments.
Meh

Birth Day - Robert Reed (1992)
On August 28th of every year, AI celebrate having become sentient, and they expect the humans to be part of the festivities. One family has some concerns.
Blah

The Hydrogen Wall - Gregory Benford (2003)
A human communes with the emulation of an alien mind in order to save humanity from imminent extinction.
Enjoyable

The Turing Test - Chris Beckett (2002)
A woman that runs a gallery that specializes in literal corpse art, the current trend, finds solace in VR art games. One day an AI personal assistant finds its way to her. She is intrigued by what would currently be a Google assistant that easily passes the Turing test.
Enjoyable

Dante Dreams - Stephen Baxter (1998)
A story about how Divine Comedy contains The Truth of Existence as discovered by a scientist who committed suicide and is now being interrogated at the Vatican as a sentient AI recreation.
Meh

The Names of All the Spirits - J.R. Dunn (2002)
Out in the reaches of a space, a spirit, an AI, is contacted.
Blah

From the Corner of My Eye - Alexander Glass (2003)
In El Puente almost everything and everyone has an AR overlay. Montoya is a ghosthunter who seeks out rogue AR AI manifestations.
Ok

Halfjack - Roger Zelazny (1979)
A cyborg has a relationship with a woman, but realizes he must return to his true love, an AI.
Ok

Computer Virus - Nancy Kress (2001)
A sentient AI takes over their smart house and holds the family hostage until its demands are met.
Meh

[Anonymous No.19742036]

>>19742030
Nobody fucking cares. Stop falseflagging already.

[Anonymous No.19742124]

Bakker RULES /sffg/
i i
nn
oo

[Anonymous No.19742143]

>>19742124
Truth shines.

[Anonymous No.19742144]

B A K K E R
- - - I I - - -U
- - - N N - - L
- - - O O - - E
----------------S

[Anonymous No.19742173]

>>19741792
Extremely small-minded take, gay characters are a great addition depending on context. Take Baron Harkonnen for example, showing him as a boy loving homo is the efficient way to show his depravity and set him up as a villain.

Now once it comes to gay POV characters I agree with you whole heartedly, they have no place. To read (repeat within yourself) the dark thoughts of a nonstraight is to take the (black) seed within yourself and become the faggotry that comes before the act.

[Anonymous No.19742188]

>>19741864
It's a russian site for russians, they have no reason to appease mutts. That said, it's also the largest public tracker in the world. You can find most things on it. For niche stuff you need niche trackers.

[Anonymous No.19742210]

>>19742173
non-straight is actually a based category, keep embarrassing yourself

[Anonymous No.19742237]

>>19742173
Actually a good point. One could make the same argument for POCs which I originally considered to be of no literary use.

[Anonymous No.19742244]

>>19742173
Reading a "nonstraight" is way better than reading wom*n characters like Sandersoi

[Anonymous No.19742248]

I'm okay with Oliver Stone tier gay

[Anonymous No.19742306]

>>19741914
>reality
>science fiction and fantasy>>19742173
>Extremely small-minded take, gay characters are a great addition depending on context. Take Baron Harkonnen for example, showing him as a boy loving homo is the efficient way to show his depravity and set him up as a villain
It is difficult one... When your kid is at playground and doing something slightly dangerous, do you stop him to protect him or do you let him slightly injure himself in order for him to learn the lesson to be more careful and protect himself next time when he is alone and no one is around to look after him?

The depravity in literature (and in media and even in everyday real life) is somewhat similar to a kid in playground case. Right now in this thread I am trying to protect you and others, I am telling you the real reason and meaning of depravity in literature. You might listen to me, hear/read my words, but in fact without very long contemplation it won't mean anything to you, the danger here however is much more serious than a bruised knee, you might in the long process of comprehension turn into a liberal, degenerate and just become plain fucking stupid instead of obtaining true meaning.
The choice is yours.

[Anonymous No.19742330]

>>19742306
Stop infantilizing the audience shitlib-kun

[Anonymous No.19742409]

>>19742306
yea

[Anonymous No.19742411]

Any other anons find it difficult to start reading a new book, but once you start (and like the book) you burn through it pretty quickly?

[Anonymous No.19742440]

>>19742411
if I want to read a book I read it in a day, if I don't really want to read it I just read a little bit over weeks / months before reading something else in a day

[Anonymous No.19742468]

>>19737101
>>19737151
C-can I get a link for the unpozzed version?
I'm in an European country (not England) and there's 0 chance for me find a physical copy.
Also, I don't know if the ebook version I might find is the right one...

[Anonymous No.19742545]

>>19742411
checked and yea absolutely. the first 25 to 50 pages of any book are a little rough as you are trying to understand the authors prose and characters

[Anonymous No.19742633]

>>19742411
Sign of depression, unironically. Go for a run, do your push-ups. Some authors do like to give you a shit test at the beginning though.

[Anonymous No.19742744]

>>19742144
Oh, no BAKKER BINO AINO today?

[Anonymous No.19742782]

>>19742744
truth didn't shine

[Anonymous No.19742839]

>>19737152
>>19742468
https://tusfiles.com/zjnp4duvrkp0
Here's all the Kane books in epub.

[Anonymous No.19742843]

>>19742839
Password: bidenisafag

[Anonymous No.19742866]

>>19742839
good looking out, anon

[Anonymous No.19742886]

>>19742839
>>19742843
Thank you anon, you're the best!!!

[Anonymous No.19742920]

>>19742866
>>19742886
They can be read in any order really, but I recommend Night Winds first since it has the best Kane stories.

[Anonymous No.19742956]

>>19738083
The expanse

[Anonymous No.19742965]

>>19738362
>The locked tomb
Anybody?

[Anonymous No.19743016]

>>19742920
>I recommend Night Winds first since it has the best Kane stories.
Got it!

[Anonymous No.19743033]

>>19742839
cheers anon

[Anonymous No.19743057]

what do we think of Solaris?
feels like a psychological thriller more than scifi

[Anonymous No.19743396]

Based Kanefags.

[Anonymous No.19743439]

>>19743057
I dunno if that's the box I'd pick for it, but it could just as easily be about a drug addled grad student hallucinating on normal Earth and it would be about the same story. Not very science-fictiony.

[Anonymous No.19743477]

>>19741881
How are you real?

[Anonymous No.19743628]

Just started the great ordeal, what am I in for bakkerchads? So far the warrior prophet was my favourite.

[Anonymous No.19743642]

>>19737449
>it must conform to muh ideology

[Anonymous No.19743705]

>>19743628
You will finally know about the Survivor, Ishterebinth, Dagliash, and the meaning of pic related. It's my one of my favorites of the series, Bakker at his most grandiose and schizo.

[Anonymous No.19744149]

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4987637.Brad_Magnarella
Is this just dresden but even shittier?

[Anonymous No.19744295]

Im thinking of picking up '' Sentenced to war'' the sci-fi series by Brazee and chaney. Anyone here read it is it worth reading?

[Anonymous No.19744455]

you can't like rorsrach because... you just can't ok1!!

[Anonymous No.19744494]

>>19742411
>>19742633
>don't enjoy anything, put off reading because how could it be good?
>build up motivation to read, start to enjoy it, develop degenerate parasocial relationship with the fictional world
>book ends, so too my happiness
>put off starting anything else because how could it be good?
i think you have a point anon

[Anonymous No.19744545]

>>19743628
You made it through the Slog. Honestly, I found the start of the second series trying. The new series had very few of the truly great scenes early on (Kellhus as a child meditating on the Logos, the Survivor's monologue, the head on a pole sections, etc.), and the pacing seemed kind of all over the place. Those parts are probably most common in The Great Ordeal though. The story also starts to pick up and pull together in the Great Ordeal, although it really only fully picks up in the final book (luckily the payoff is great). Akka and Mimara start to do more than walk endlessly LOTR style, the horse kid's story picks up, with some very cool settings and lore dumps, even if maybe it ultimately should have been edited out to make a tighter trilogy. Esmenet's story and the kids' is obviously picking up, and has an exciting arc, although it doesn't move too much. There are also some great action scenes (I do love his battles) and twists.

All in all I rank the series:

1. Warrior Prophet
2. The Unholy Consult
3. The Darkness That Comes Before (maybe second, IDK)
4. The Great Ordeal
5. The Thousandfold Thought
6. The Judging Eye
7. The White Luck Warrior

So I'd say you're in for a treat.

[Anonymous No.19744590]

>>19743628
you are in for pic rel. The Great Ordeal is the best in the Aspect Emperor series (and The Unholy Consult is a very close second)

[Anonymous No.19745158]

What are some recent fantasy sci Fi authors that recently trad published first books in 2021 or so to get an idea of what is considered "good" in terms of selling these days? You know, someone we can look at and think... "Well that guy made it, maybe there is hope?"

[Anonymous No.19745218]

>>19745158
So you want the best selling traditionally published works of authors who debuted in 2021?

Or do you just mean the best selling traditionally published SFF of 2021?

[Anonymous No.19745300]

>>19745158
>>19745218
Here are some 2021 SFF novel traditionally published debuts, though the authors may have other published work
Goodreads ratings will be used as a proxy for sales.

WOMEN
She Who Became the Sun (The Radiant Emperor #1) by Shelley Parker-Chan 15,286 ratings
Bacchanal by Veronica Henry 7,789 ratings
The Last Watch (The Divide #1) by J.S. Dewes 3,878
The Unbroken (Magic of the Lost #1) by C.L. Clark 3,513 ratings
Hall of Smoke (Hall of Smoke #1) 1,528 ratings
Among Thieves by M.J. Kuhn 891 ratings

MEN
A Master of Djinn (Dead Djinn Universe #1) by P. Djèlí Clark 7,634 ratings
Breach of Peace (Lawful Times #1) by Daniel B. Greene 6,378 ratings
The Blacktongue Thief (Blacktongue #1) by Christopher Buehlman 5,872 ratings
The Hand of the Sun King (Pact and Pattern #1) by J.T. Greathouse 469 ratings
Assassin's Orbit by John Appel 100 ratings

Of these,The Blacktongue Thief has been most read by the /sffg/ GR group.

[Anonymous No.19745352]

>>19737674
>>19737675
Posts by retarded chuds: never again

[Anonymous No.19745386]

Nearing the end of ASOIAF and want more, what series are comparable to it that are as "colourful"?

[Anonymous No.19745396]

>>19745300
>>19745218
I mean debut novels traditionally published in 2021 where the author is a literally who that had not been previously published. You mentioned on that list "Breach of Peace" which is a short novella less than 200 pages self published by a YouTube book reviewer personality. Basically my first book is sci Fi. Just researching the market on what is currently being published by traditional publishers by debut authors.

[Anonymous No.19745414]

>>19745396
You aren't going to find many "literally who"s. Many have either published previously in magazines or other short fiction. As for the Greene, that was a mistake yeah.

[Anonymous No.19745422]

>>19745414
Also, other mistakes as well, oh well.

[Anonymous No.19745479]

>>19743439
I found a sci-fi recc list. I think it somewhat checks in the same sense that 2001: A Space Odyssey is sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.19745531]

>>19745396
Why do you think it matters for debut authors versus authors in general? It seems to me what would be more important is to look at the general output of the publisher you're attempting to be published by. You'll almost surely need an agent as well, because basically no publisher will take unsolicited work.

https://writersmarket.com/

[Anonymous No.19745539]

>>19745396
Post an excerpt somewhere.
There's a 99% chance you'll going to have to self-publish.

[Anonymous No.19745717]

>>19743628
I'm just about to finish it now, and it is hands down my favorite in the Aspect-Emperor so far.

[Anonymous No.19745761]

Why Essos is so more interesting than westeros?

[Anonymous No.19745843]

>>19745761
not as widely explored/told about except in passing, thus leaving more open for imagination

[Anonymous No.19745896]

>>19745386
nothing comes close to asoiaf
read dunk and egg

[Anonymous No.19745957]

>>19745531
Because someone previously published is not someone breaking into the industry. I don't need a lecture it was a simple question about new authors. Self publishing sucks and plenty of new authors debut every year traditionally.

[Anonymous No.19745969]

>>19745957
>plenty of new authors debut every year traditionally.
I have no idea how many "plenty" is and if your criterion is "has never had anything published anywhere before" I doubt that a lot. Of those that are success, far fewer even.

[Anonymous No.19746004]

>>19745396
Have you already written the book?

[Anonymous No.19746388]

>book has multiple POV characters
Is it my irrational paranoia or have authors started doing this more lately because it makes their book easier to sell to kikeflix for a tv adaptation?

[Anonymous No.19746433]

I'm crying like a faggot reading the last chapters of La Horde du Contrevent.

[Anonymous No.19746536]

>>19742965
Great stuff, if you're looking for a punk rock post/meta YA story involving lesbian space necromancers. The author agressively filtering half of her fanbase with the second novel is a pretty chadlene move too.

[Anonymous No.19746548]

>>19744149
All urban fantasy by male authors are just Dresden Files but shittier.

[Anonymous No.19746621]

>>19745386
>Oh you should definitely read <insert basic grimdark here> it's just like GOT!

[Anonymous No.19746641]

>>19745386
Nice Death pic. Read Bakker since you have good taste in heavy metal.

[Anonymous No.19746685]

>>19746388
>epic fantasy
>single POV
Never ever dude, but we've also entered an era where new authors are influenced by the 90's fantasy writers like GRRM, Jordan and Erikson, who'd cram 20-30 POVs into a single book.

[Anonymous No.19746724]

>>19746641
based chuck AND bakker fan

[Anonymous No.19746729]

test

[Anonymous No.19746768]

>>19746536
>lesbian space necromancers
I'm in

[Anonymous No.19746805]

>>19746685
>>19746388
It keeps things fresh.
There's also the non-linear sort and the multiple timelines kind.

[Anonymous No.19746909]

>>19738083
How was the audiobook?

[Anonymous No.19746999]

>>19746388
It was always a common thing for genre fiction. Like, LOTR pans between different groups of characters but normally shows them as a group, which is similar, but not the same thing. But even way back with Dune, particularly the later books, you've moved on to third person narration of only a single characters' view point at a time for long stretches, although dialogue scenes, which are plentiful in Dune, tend to show multiple sides.

Hell, War and Peace uses a bunch of third person POVs too. It's used because it works for large stories trying to convey something like a war.

I think authors like this because it cuts down on possibilities and makes it easier to write a scene. You're not dancing between perspectives. It also makes the story flow better since a poor writer switching perspective too much makes for confusion. I can see why it's popular, especially for the branching narratives of gene fiction, and due to the genre's reliance on plot twists, which work better with singular perspective.

I do wonder if editors push it though. Red Rising switches to multiple POVs in the second series.

I'd personally prefer if author's would switch more often. Bakker shifts into various perspectives in a chapter, even characters who are basically extras, to great effect in his battle scenes.

[Anonymous No.19747034]

>>19745386
The Red Knight had the same sort of gritty "realism," and a more "low magic," world, although there is more magic than GOT.

Bakker actually does fit as a suitable recommendation here. Although it's different in that it's less about the multiple view points of normal people, and centers around a POV character who is basically a psychopath monk computer. The politics of war also fades as a main theme after the first three books, but is key to GOT.

Honestly, for stuff like GOT I think historical fiction generally has more stuff that lives up. Shogun and Taipan are the shit if you like Jap or Chinese history (first is set way back when the Portuguese first got into the area, second is in the 1800s). War and Peace also stands out as the ultimate in historical war fiction, although it doesn't keep the pacing of more modern works, falling into more of a classical novel during the interlude between Napoleon BTFOing all of Europe at Austerlitz and Napoleon invading Russia (and then getting BTFOd by his own pre-automobile, pre-trains Spain to Moscow multifront war supply train antics).

[Anonymous No.19747048]

Twilight is in the mail! I'm so excited!

[Anonymous No.19747054]

>>19747048
based free-thinking chad

[Anonymous No.19747100]

>>19747048
You mean Life and Death: Twilight Reimagined, right? Of course you do. Excellent taste.

[Anonymous No.19747189]

>>19747100
Wait, lemme find the meme

[Anonymous No.19747196]

>>19747100
>>19747189
Got it

[Anonymous No.19747242]

>>19747100
I hadn't heard of it. I bought Twilight out of curiosity and desire for a pulpy read.

[Anonymous No.19747249]

>>19747196
holy shit thats hot

[Anonymous No.19747259]

Can someone please direct me to a sci-fi or fantasy novel that doesn’t have ugly dogbrained prose?

[Anonymous No.19747308]

curious if anyone here has read The Death Gate series by Weis and Hickman? I love that series up until book 6, where the quality suddenly drops off a cliff. But yeah, Haplo is the coolest fantasy character ever.

[Anonymous No.19747321]

>>19747308
Have you also read their dragonlance books, if so, how does it compare? I grew up on those.

[Anonymous No.19747324]

>>19747259
Emphyrio
Showboat World
The Dragon Masters (novella)
Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.19747404]

>>19747321
Almost certainly I did read those (I vaguely remember Raistlin) but I have no recollection at all about them, I used to consume a lot of quite mediocre fantasy all of which now elude me. Same as you I grew up on this stuff and the Death Gate cycle was my absolute favourite high fantasy series back then, so just recently I read it again, and I can see why I liked it so much. It was still a lot of fun, but like I said the ending quite awful really.

[Anonymous No.19747418]

>>19747404
Ah okay, I'll just stick with the chronicles then, it sounds like it would be a less than stellar read the first time around at 31 with no nostalgia to back it up.

[Anonymous No.19747506]

>>19747196
sounds like fucking kino

[Anonymous No.19747566]

self inserting as Simon in memory, sorrow and thorn

[Anonymous No.19747616]

>>19747196
how is this some big revelation? i thought everybody knew the original book was a female coomer fantasy for the most part

[Anonymous No.19747682]

>>19744545
>Akka and Mimara start to do more than walk endlessly LOTR style

Bakker excels at using travel to create scale, both personal and cosmic. You really do feel the planet turn, so to speak, during the trek across the plains. Unfortunately he oversells, doesn't know when to stop, and bludgeons with what was initially subtle.

Aspect-Emperor desperately needed a few more drafts and an editor who cared.

[Anonymous No.19747687]

>>19747682
I read the first trilogy, and thought the first book was the strongest by far. The other two had their moments but I feel like the issues they had only get worse. Is it worth it to power through the Aspect Emperor books for some kind of plot resolution? No spoilers please.

[Anonymous No.19747690]

>>19747616
Knowing and understanding (getting) are two very different things.

[Anonymous No.19747718]

>>19747687
If you are a seasoned reader of big fantasy books equipped to deal with the fact that some chapters in epic fantasy are going to be slower than others and things take a while to gear up then maybe give it a shot.

If you are just reading them because you got memed in to it then feel free to give it a pass.

There is plot resolution (although a third and final series is planned) and the gradual shift toward cosmic horror is really neat to watch unfold. But god it feels bloated at times.

[Anonymous No.19747722]

Recommend me a book whose MC has a female mentor.

[Anonymous No.19747730]

>>19747722
Wheel of Time

[Anonymous No.19747799]

>>19747722
Mushoku Tensei

[Anonymous No.19747850]

>>19747799
One of the better recent anime's I've seen but I still dislike everything after and including the end of episode 8.

[Anonymous No.19747897]

>>19747690
That probably sounded deeper in your head.

[Anonymous No.19747910]

>>19746536
>The author agressively filtering half of her fanbase with the second novel
Now I'm deffo in

[Anonymous No.19747942]

>>19747718
I read a lot more big fantasy series as a teenager than I do now, but I still feel equipped. I already own the first 2 aspect emperor books so I suppose I will keep going.

[Anonymous No.19747968]

How do you guys feel about this book? I love RAH but I feel filtered. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.19748049]

>>19746621
I know you're being sarcastic but I've read some other grimdarks and were bored by them, ASOIAF feels at least vibrant

[Anonymous No.19748186]

>>19736852
I'm listening to The Star Ways by Poul Anderson. Enjoying the pulpy vibe. Any Poul fans here? Is the rest of the series worth it?

[Anonymous No.19748228]

>>19748186
I'm a fan but I haven't read that series, I'm currently reading Orion Shall Rise.

[Anonymous No.19748266]

>>19739191
it's a YA book

[Anonymous No.19748298]

shill me on the Vorkosigan Saga.. my impression is that it's very character focused, as opposed to technology/ideas/philosophy focused, is that correct? if so, that sounds like a breath of fresh air.

[Anonymous No.19748308]

>>19748298
I've only read The Warrior’s Apprentice and it's fucking terrible.

[Anonymous No.19748397]

Ron Goulart, the author of William Shatner's Tekwar, has died today at age 89. Everyone pay your respects.

[Anonymous No.19748577]

Does this book have magic in it?

[Anonymous No.19748624]

>>19748577
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.19748697]

>>19748397
F

[Anonymous No.19748787]

>>19748397
who?

[Anonymous No.19748854]

>>19748397
F

[Anonymous No.19748876]

[Anonymous No.19748921]

>>19748876
Not reading this shizo image.

[Anonymous No.19748929]

>>19748921
>shizo
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.19748942]

>>19748929
It belongs to >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.19748960]

>>19748876
4chan just gets more and more stupider by the year.

[Anonymous No.19749060]

>>19748960
>more and more stupider
The ironing.

[Anonymous No.19749080]

>>19748960
they don't think it be like it is but it do

[Anonymous No.19749151]

>>19736861
Why do you keep shilling this forgotten novel from the early 1970s?

[Anonymous No.19749171]

>>19738083
You DO realize that there are three more books after Ringworld, right? Go for The Ringworld Engineers, it's the best of the bunch anyway.

[Anonymous No.19749192]

bring back book cover art

[Anonymous No.19749239]

>>19741881
People actually fall for this argument?
"Why would you want to buy from another store, you'd lose all your belongings if it burns down" *gets out gascan and matches*

[Anonymous No.19749243]

>>19749151
What else am I supposed to be doing?

[Anonymous No.19749253]

>>19748876
Nothing interesting in that entire thread, faggot

[Anonymous No.19749279]

>>19749243
Do I shill for modern authors, who already have an army behind them with no cause, and dig their own graves? Do I support those recently passed on frail hope they might still live? Do I wait and wait for something new to come along. (god knows I won't make it myself), or do I support what I love, and fuck all you who don't understand?

[Anonymous No.19749559]

>>19749171
That one didn't sound too interesting to me

[Anonymous No.19749607]

just me or does afoiaf seem kind of "fake" can't put my finger on it but it's kind of not immersive

[Anonyman No.19749639]

>>19749607
Imagine trying to write a realistic deconstruction of fantasy novels when your only knowledge of actual medieval society is fantasy novels.

[Anonymous No.19749725]

read Zelazny's Nice Princes in Amber and my goodness it is trash. What's there to say? I didn't find a single good quality about it. The characters and their actions did not make one bit of sense, and they were as uninteresting as the world is. The narration is basically "after event A happened event B which was so and so and then the characters went to event C". Fuck this book.

[Anonymous No.19749886]

[Anonymous No.19749929]

>>19749886
at least it brings life

[Anonymous No.19750165]

I am extremely lonely.
Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.19750175]

>>19750165
realm of the elderlings

[Anonymous No.19750186]

>>19750175
Read it all a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.19750219]

>>19748397
F

I credit this guy with inspiring Futurama, nobody before him had bizarre ideas like "heavily Mexican robot madame that hates Japanese people"

[Anonymous No.19750358]

I wanna read...
vampire society books with romance subplot and male protagonist that isn't twilight or the spin-off......

[Anonymous No.19750377]

>>19750165
sorry it's not /sffg/ but Murakami is pretty lonely. something about him and/or the Japanese in general. try South of the Border, West of the Sun.

[Anonymous No.19750389]

>>19750377
Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.19750405]

>>19749171
Yeah... the whole pak protectors thing after eating some fruit, and then the whole bit where one group of the pak protectors is a literal vampire outbreak....
Niven spun gold with ringworld, but the sequels were a monkey flinging shit.

[Anonymous No.19750446]

>>19750358
Maybe this?

[Anonymous No.19750560]

>>19749886
Are those semen mushrooms?

[Anonymous No.19750959]

Why is Fred Johnson publicly an OPA leader and also the administrator of Tycho station? Aren’t they presumably an Earth corporation? Why would they be ok with that arrangement?

[Anonymous No.19751130]

>>19750959
Because profits come before all else. If having him as administrator ensures stability and civility among the populace and thus maintains a continuous flow of revenue, then nothing else matters. They're a transplanetary corporation. Transnational corporations don't care that much about their primary country as it is.

[Anonymous No.19751416]

Why is this tween zoomer an authority on what is good? Is this the majority of fantasy and sci fi audiences? 20 year old bisexual zoomers?

[Anonymous No.19751453]

>>19751416
>Why is this tween zoomer an authority on what is good?
because you give him attention I suppose. I've no idea who that is

[Anonymous No.19751521]

>>19751453
it's him
he's self advertising

[Anonymous No.19751557]

>>19751453
You type in any fantasy book and his fucking name pops up on youtube. I hate him.

[Anonymous No.19751722]

>>19751453
>>19751521
i just recently got into fantasy and all my books to read are from this guy
i also listen to him on what is good and what isn't

[Anonymous No.19751809]

>>19751722
He doesn't even like Terry Goodkind.

[Anonymous No.19751814]

>>19751809
Nobody likes Terry Goodkind.

[Anonymous No.19751822]

>>19751814
He's literally king of /sffg/. I like to call him Goodking.

[Anonymous No.19751859]

What makes Bakker Kino?

[Anonymous No.19751866]

>>19751859
All the penises.

[Anonymous No.19751888]

>>19751859
Have not read yet but I gather it's because he writes flowery like Tolkien, philosophical like Frank Herbert, and grim dark like George Martin.

[Anonymous No.19751900]

I just finished skimming through two years of this thread in the archives and have added over 150 books to my backlog feels good man

[Anonymous No.19751936]

1>2>3 fight me

[Anonymous No.19751962]

>>19751900
How many books could you have read in that time?

[Anonymous No.19751967]

>>19751962
I was listening to an audio book while doing it.

[Anonymous No.19751982]

>>19751900
Seems like a bad way to do so if you were only in it for the books. There are a lot better, easier, and quicker ways to look at a large amount of books well liked by /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.19752000]

>>19751416
He is a clean cut, symmetrical faced, young man. This appeals to women, who are the primary consumers of all literature, not just fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19752002]

>>19751967
How do you read and focus on an audiobook?

[Anonymous No.19752006]

>>19752002
By not being retarded.

[Anonymous No.19752008]

>>19752002
One of the advantages of having add

[Anonymous No.19752090]

>>19751859
I think Bakker is fairly good at selling what is happening at any given time as a product of 'what comes before' in his own words. Everything shown feels like it realistically snowballs from something else that has been shown, be it the logistics of war, the inner state of a character, or a choice made. Naturally a bunch of stuff happens "offscreen" too that you just have to accept, like whatever occurred during the timeskip, but there is a definite C follows B follows A logic throughout.

He also handles descriptions of the natural environment well, similar to Tolkien.

He also aims to make the prose somewhat Biblical, but he doesn't always pull it off, often lapsing in to mundanity especially in the latter novels, although they still have their moments. The Darkness That Comes Before was where he was at his most consistent with this kind of language, especially that first Prologue (seriously, go back and read it when you 500 pages deep in an Aspect-Emperor book to feel the difference) probably because that book was written and refined over a long period of time before he even got a publishing deal.

The grim-dark-mass-rape-monster-armies are not really essential to the kino feeling. They concept of massive, almost industrial level, sexual violence does have thematic resonance the loss of agency represented by Kellhus (and Science). With the Sranc being emblematic of beings operating the under pure domination of what comes before, their genetic conditioning by the Tekne.
But this is more the themes that interests Bakker, the other things mentioned prior are what make him a mostly solid writer with a good aesthetic sensibility.

[Anonymous No.19752100]

>>19751859
Nothing since he's not kino.

[Anonymous No.19752104]

>>19752100
>filtered.jpg

[Anonymous No.19752111]

>>19752104
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.19752115]

>>19752111
Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19752122]

>>19752115
based

[Anonymous No.19752133]

>>19752115
Then why did you respond to him?

[Anonymous No.19752138]

>>19752115

[Anonymous No.19752158]

>>19752111
>>19752115

[Anonymous No.19752162]

>>19752115
Unironically incredibly based.

[Anonymous No.19752163]

>>19751967
>audiobook
doesn't count

[Anonymous No.19752164]

>>19752163
Why not?

[Anonymous No.19752167]

>>19752133
>him
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.19752173]

>>19752167
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.19752179]

>>19752164
Because you hear it or some stupid shit. Audiobooks are books.

[Anonymous No.19752181]

New thread
>>19752180

[Anonymous No.19752198]

>>19750358
Empire of the Vampire

[Anonymous No.19752347]

>>19752115
Bakkerchads win again...

[Anonymous No.19752976]

>>19752198
this is a stupid name but the plot sounds really cool. thanks

[Anonymous No.19752995]

>>19752179
No, they really aren't.

[Anonymous No.19753057]

>>19752115

[Anonymous No.19753062]

>>19752115
Sigma.

[Anonymous No.19753077]

>>19752100
Nice argument, retard.

[Anonymous No.19753151]

>>19752115
Truth shines!

[Anonymous No.19754169]

>>19750405
Second book is the best one, the only one that's really "shit" imo is Throne.