Books like Under the Silver Lake?

[Anonymous No.19722982]

About conspiracies, paranoia, mysteries, corruption, dark side of the entertainment industry, occultism, sects, looking for the facts, etc.

[Anonymous No.19723109]

>>19722982
Literally everything written by the great Pyncher himself

[Anonymous No.19723153]

I really don't know why people liken this to Pynchon, it is just Hitchcock+dude weed. Lacks all the complexity and subtlety of Pynchon which is what defines his brand of paranoia/conspiracy and separates it from things like Hitchcock and Under the Silver Lake where the paranoia/conspiracy is essentially a way to create suspense, a plot device.

[Anonymous No.19723197]

>>19723153
I unironically got more Pynchon vibes from The Last Jedi where there is a side plot about characters going to a casino only to discover dark truths about the military industrial complex

[Anonymous No.19723214]

>>19723153
filtered

[Anonymous No.19723221]

>>19722982
Dean koontz duology
Fear nothing
And
Seize the night

[Anonymous No.19723274]

Don Delillo
read The Names and Running Dog

[Anonymous No.19723295]

>>19722982
Robert Anton Wilson. Start and don't stop until you've run out of things he's written. Illuminatus is a good place to start if you want stuff like UTSL.

[Anonymous No.19723448]

>>19723214
That does not even make sense in this context.
>>19723295
This is actually pretty good, same disregard for reality with little care about being believable, just let the conspiracy carry it. But it lacks the suspense aspects.

[Anonymous No.19723482]

>>19723448
>But it lacks the suspense aspects.
If you want something exactly like it with exactly the same things... just watch the movie again.

[Anonymous No.19723497]

>>19723482
I don't, follow the thread, I am not OP.

[Anonymous No.19723523]

[Anonymous No.19723530]

>>19723109
The Crying of Lot 49 is a great, short conspiracy novel. Inherent Vice is a pretty mediocre conspiracy novel. Mason & Dixon isn't in this genre. Those are the only pynchons I've read.

[Anonymous No.19723634]

>>19723153
I got Pynchon vibes from it. Just because it isn't as dense doesn't mean the influence and similarities aren't there.
>>19722982
Noir genre/tropes (Raymond Carver is a good place to start...check out The Big Sleep if you liked The Big Lebowski). If you want them treated the same way read Pynchon (as other people have said).

[Anonymous No.19723646]

>>19722982
Eggplant, unironically

[Anonymous No.19724577]

>>19723153
>Hitchcock
It REALLY isn’t.

[Anonymous No.19724582]

American Tabloid

[Anonymous No.19724626]

>>19724577
It really is, the movie is filled with little references to Hitchcock, the most obvious being his grave and follows the general structure of his suspense/thrillers.

[Anonymous No.19724670]

>>19723295
>>19723448
Don't read RAW. He's an inbred retard. His books suck major ass. I would rather read YA than a RAW novel.

[Anonymous No.19724692]

>>19723523
Based

[Anonymous No.19724704]

unironically this. i still haven't read my copy though.

[Anonymous No.19724757]

>>19723530
read GR.
can't recommend any other books, though.
if you want other movies, eyes wide shut, long goodbye, the nice guys, big lebowski, chinatown

[Anonymous No.19724851]

>>19722982

[Anonymous No.19724861]

>>19723153
It wears it Pynchon influence on its sleeve. You can say it's a weak adaptation or a bad movie, but it's hard not to mention Pynchon. I don't see Hitchcock much at all.

[Anonymous No.19724863]

>>19723646
>>19724704

[Anonymous No.19724867]

>>19724851
>>19724838
Stop shilling nigger

[Anonymous No.19724914]

>>19722982
I can't remember the exact title But it's something like Charles Manson, The CIA, and the secret history of Hippy culture.

[Anonymous No.19724921]

I'm just about to read "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" and I suspect it's going to be pretty close to Under the Silver Lake.

[Anonymous No.19724929]

The Pyramids of Montuak is also quite interesting. Maybe some Phillip K. Dick, like Valis.

[Anonymous No.19724947]

Foucault's Pendulum

[Anonymous No.19724959]

>>19724914
chaos?

[Anonymous No.19724969]

>>19723646
I actually dropped in to say this, too. Its confusing and there's no really no simple resolution presented in the text. But very little of the confusion really has any greater meaner.

[Anonymous No.19724970]

>>19724959
oh yeah, that's right "Chaos, Charles Manson...etc"

[Anonymous No.19725011]

>>19723646
>>19724704
>>19724863
>>19724969
where the fuck do I get a copy? google gives me nothing

[Anonymous No.19725016]

>>19725011
goodreads.com/book/show/59794391-eggplant

[Anonymous No.19725047]

>>19723530
>mason and dixon isn't in this genre
You didn't read the book if you think that the book about sealing away the energy of the Earth for nefarious ends at the behest of several different shadowy groups of which the two main protagonists may or may not be members of (knowingly or unknowingly) isn't conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.19725079]

>>19723153
>a plot device.
The fact that this was almost buried entirely shows that there is more to it. It’s not just the violence against the old spider man guy.

[Anonymous No.19725141]

>>19723523
Thanks

[Anonymous No.19725364]

>>19723109
Is Vineland as bad as they say?

[Anonymous No.19725391]

>>19725364
NTA but yea actually it is pretty fucking lame :(

[Anonymous No.19725414]

>>19725391
Shitt I just bought all 3 of his California books to start with, oh well.

[Anonymous No.19725442]

>>19725011
search the author's name in the amazon search bar

this MFer aint got no SEO

[Anonymous No.19725649]

>>19724861
the director has said he's never read a Pynchon novel

[Anonymous No.19725865]

>>19722982
Kem Nunn: Tapping the Source
Newton Thornburg: Cutter and Bone, Dreamland

Also the movie adaptation of The Long Goodbye - the main character's apartment in Silver Lake looks like a direct homage to Marlowe's apartment in Long Goodbye.

[Anonymous No.19725898]

>>19722982
Subarashiki Hibi

[Anonymous No.19725920]

>>19724861
>I don't see Hitchcock much at all.
Classic Hitchcock-like music plays at various times and there are scenes are similar to a Hitchcock thriller. When he first meets the main girl, the shot resembles classic Hollywood, and when the MC is following those girls, the whole thing plays out like in a Hitchcock thriller. Just from the top of my mind.

[Anonymous No.19726521]

>>19724861
Hitchcock
>something traumatic/inexplicable/tragic happens
>mc gets obsessed and myopic
>things get worse and more complicated than originally thought
>mc gets more determined
>excitement insues
>everything more or less resolves
>happy ending
Pynchon
>something kind of curious but essentially routine happens
>mc gets curious
>things get more complicated but sort of makes sense
>mc realizes nothing is as it seems
>everything changes
>fuck fuck fuck
>things get more complicated
>mc sees face of god
>fuck it, lets just see what happens
>some things sort of resolve but not really
>nothing really ends
>mc accepts what ever the fuck is going on or something but if they keep thinking about it they will explode so just going to live life and cope
You
>I like eggs
>I like beans
>eggs give me gas
>beans give me gas
>BEANS AND EGGS ARE THE SAME THING!
>HOLY FUCK!

Under the Silver Lake is almost straight Hitchcock, you just have about three different Hitchcock movies all rolled into one. Almost every single character (if not all) are fulfilling standard roles from Hitchcock just updated and some pushed towards an extreme. The only likeness between it and Pynchon is superficial.

[Anonymous No.19726645]

>>19725047
I just realized I got completely filtered. Fuck...

[Anonymous No.19726704]

>>19723153
>subtlety

[Anonymous No.19726717]

>>19726704
>t. plotfag

[Anonymous No.19727159]

>>19723153
>it is just Hitchcock+dude weed.

that's literally Pynchon, my dude

[Anonymous No.19727318]

flicker by theodore roszak
Night Film by Marisha Pessl

[Anonymous No.19727783]

>>19723523
Epic

[Anonymous No.19729634]

>>19724670
You’re just too stupid to get it that’s fine

[Anonymous No.19729660]

You didn't hear it from me

[Anonymous No.19729671]

>>19726521
NTA, but interesting comparison I didn't notice the Hitchcock similarities, although Psycho is alluded to at one point iirc.

It's similar to his more conspiratorial movies like Strangers on a Train, but it's closer to de Palma imo (who aped Hitchcock a lot himself). I actually enjoyed the film a lot, and saw very few American films in the 2010s I'd rate higher. I liked the director's other two movies too, but yeah it's easy to see why someone would dislike it.

Never read Pynchon though, saw close to 25 Hitchcock's and about 10 de Palmas.

>>19722982
The Purple Cloud and other MP Shiel novels.

[Anonymous No.19730077]

>>19729671
I would agree that it is more like de Palma over all, but I think that is just because they are both elaborating on Hitchcock, I can not recall a single reference to de Palma in it, at least not one which could be untangled from his own Hitchcock influence. Would not surprise me if they are there. Visually it is nothing like Hitchcock, it is primarily the endless uses of Hitchcock tropes and the structure I was referring too since this is what has bearing on it's relation to literature/OPs question.

I found it to be an ok movie but its heavy use of homage made it feel lacking in anything of its own and the directing and cinematography were nothing special. Entertaining but i doubt I will ever watch it again.

[Anonymous No.19730323]

>>19724947
How is this novel compared to Eco's other works? I plan to read this one later this year after finishing Baudolino

[Anonymous No.19730535]

>>19722982
Bleeding Edge

[Anonymous No.19730541]

>>19730077
The scene where he's following the girls plays out quite literally like Hitchcock. Same kind of music, same shots, same vibe.