Bible Thread V

[Anonymous No.19717840]

St. Paul VI edition

previous thread >>19711376

[Anonymous No.19717855]

>>19717840
>The imposer of Vatican II is a "catholic" "saint".
The absolute state of tradcaths.

[Anonymous No.19717861]

>>19717840
Do you think the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church will reconcile at some point?

[Anonymous No.19717863]

>>19717772
Okay, so expanding from that, what would be the best type of leather Bible to consider assuming you still want to place it vertically? No yapp and paper liner? A different type of leather?

[Anonymous No.19717867]

>>19717861
Probably, but the tradcaths and orthobros will still be in schism with the result.

[Anonymous No.19717873]

>>19717861
No. Catholics believe in invented dogmas and their spirituality is corrupted and not in accord with ours.

[Anonymous No.19717881]

>>19717863
There's absolutely nothing wrong with buying a hardback Bible. I don't know if you're looking for a specific version but as an example, Holman makes a KJV bound in faux leather over board. That's probably rigid like a hardback and you can store it vertically. Faux leather is fantastic and bound over board is going to be very durable. You don't need your Bible to be le epic goatskin leather with art gilt edges and all that jazz.

[Anonymous No.19717882]

>>19717873
>what are aerial toll booths

[Anonymous No.19717889]

>>19717882
Tollhouses are not dogma and are very unpopular at that
Fr. Seraphim Rose was very heavily criticized for his writings on them, for example

[Anonymous No.19717898]

>>19717889
You don't have to believe it but it is an ancient teaching in the church.

[Anonymous No.19717910]

>>19717882
>We are the monks who are contemplatives but are slightly different from other contemplatives so we have our own order
>We are the monks who are like the contemplatives before but we only wear sandals so we are different
>We are specifically devoted to Jesus' heart
>We are specifically devoted to baby Jesus
>We liken ourselves to Jesus and develop stigmata on our body
Corrupt

[Anonymous No.19717914]

>>19717881
Mate, I'm just trying to rebind my Bible that I've had for 25 years so I can keep using it with all my notes and everything and I can continue to store it the same way I have for 25 years. There's no need to veer off-topic instead of just saying you can't answer my question.

[Anonymous No.19717917]

>>19717898
So what

[Anonymous No.19717918]

>>19717910
of all the things in the Church to criticize, you're picking different charisms of monastic orders?

[Anonymous No.19717924]

>>19717914
I didn't mean to veer off-topic, I was just thinking of a solution. If you're rebinding it, get it bound in leather over board! It's going to be rigid that way and even more durable than just leather since there's going to be a wooden backing. The only problem is that it's going to cost you more.

[Anonymous No.19717927]

>>19717918
Yes. We do not have that, it is a western corruption. Things like stigmata are also a very serious matter. It is the physical psychosomatic manifestation of prelest
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/francis_sarov.aspx

[Anonymous No.19717936]

>>19717927
>what are gifts of the holy spirit
>what are miracles
you're not a cessitionist right? oh wait, you'll probably a prot., so you are. my bad.

[Anonymous No.19717937]

As an example, lectern Bibles made for church use are bound that way. See this one from Cambridge.

[Anonymous No.19717944]

>>19717861
Catholics won't give up their thousand years of innovation and 'evolving' of the church. They belong to the world and Orthodox do not. Catholics are the architects of the modern world.
>>19717882
>what is purgatory?
Do you even know what toll houses are? Are you imagining some sort of like, actual, physical toll house? You're having a problem with toll house when they're so much more tame than purgatory?
Unlike purgatory toll houses are a belief which is in line with the teachings of the Church Fathers. The mystical/metaphysical idea that the soul undergoes an attack by demons after it dies with God on the other side is consistent with the Church Fathers.
The idea of purgatory, some sort of weird dimension between heaven and hell where people are literally physically punished, is not consistent with the original church or the church fathers. Rather, it is very consistent with the typical Catholic innovationism and the evolving doctrine view the have.

[Anonymous No.19717960]

>>19717840
>trying to turn the Bible threads into Catholic general
Cringe. The OPs should be neutral

[Anonymous No.19717967]

>>19717936
That is not a gift of the holy spirit that we recognize. Read the article I linked.

[Anonymous No.19717973]

>>19717882
Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2)

[Anonymous No.19717977]

>>19717960
It's fine as long as everyone gets a turn and they aren't all Catholic imo

[Anonymous No.19717988]

>>19717977
You know that's not how it works, subversiveanon

[Anonymous No.19718013]

>>19717960
The image they posted is the pope that ratified Vatican II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Paul_VI?
>>19717977
>I'm going to pwn all them Orthodox by posting le epic Vatican II pope!!!!!

First millenium saints would be fine, it's something that they would never do though, since they don't care about original Christianity. Funny how you can tell which Church is true by which one actually pays attention to the first millenium.

[Anonymous No.19718017]

>>19717988
The last thread's OP was literally a Japanese Bible. That didn't make the thread a Japanese thread. I say the Orthodox get the next OP.

[Anonymous No.19718031]

just make the OP image a picture of a random chapter from the bible each time instead of trying to make it a denominational thing

[Anonymous No.19718032]

>>19718017
Because a Japanese bible is literally just a japanese bible. The bible is universal and it's not like Japanese bibles belong to any particular group. An image of the Vatican II pope is very much not universal.

[Anonymous No.19718035]

Is this an appropriate OP image

[Anonymous No.19718048]

>>19717967
>we recognize
sounds like a personal problem
>>19717960
>>19717988
>>19718013
>>19718031
>>19718035
this is some serious seething

[Anonymous No.19718052]

>>19718048
>sounds like a personal problem
It is not. I am telling you to read the article. It goes into detail on what the problem is with this "gift" on a fundamental level.

[Anonymous No.19718055]

>>19717873
>Ishtar worshiper says other Ishtar worshipers believe in invented dogmas
Rich

[Anonymous No.19718056]

>>19718048
Sounds like a personal problem that you aren't Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.19718059]

>>19718055
shut the fuck up
don't shit up another thread retard

[Anonymous No.19718062]

Repent

[Anonymous No.19718067]

>>19718062
>St Mark standing on the Pope who is in hellfire, while holding the Keys™ and impaling the Bible on a sword
Looks like Francis too lol

[Anonymous No.19718094]

>>19718035
I don't want to participate to this discussion but all jokes aside this anon >>19718032 is right. If we're granted a general Bible/Christian thread by the jannies there should be something ecumenical in the OP.

[Anonymous No.19718108]

>tfw no cute nun notgf

[Anonymous No.19718119]

>>19718094
if we have a Bible/Christian thread then anything relevant to the bible and Christianity is ok to be used in the OP, including denominations/people you don't like
As long as Caths or Orthobros or Pr*ts don't monopolize the general its fine as ultimately it's all relevant and all have contributed to the history of the Christianity and Christian thought in some way

[Anonymous No.19718129]

>>19718059
>shits up Christian threads with self righteous utterly retarded hypocritical Satanic Babylonian pagan heresies
>says others shit up threads
Come out of her and begome Christian before His return, goat.

[Anonymous No.19718168]

>>19717840
Why does this guy have actual butt cheeks on his forehead lmao

[Anonymous No.19718174]

>>19718119
I guess this is another way to see it, and I agree with the idea, but this kind of start fosters infighting from the get go. Entering a thread that's just Cath vs. Prot vs. Ortho console wars is going to drive away new people and fencesitters who have questions to ask. It really saddens me to see Christians bickering so viciously. As far as I'm concerned I have no issue with putting something from the main confessions in the OP, as long as it's tasteful e.g. no Pachamama or those horrifying TikTok videos. I'm not one of the people acting catty like that Ishtar obsessed guy.

[Anonymous No.19718176]

>>19717840
Catholics think this is okay

[Anonymous No.19718190]

>>19718176
What are you referring to? The crucifix?

[Anonymous No.19718193]

>>19718190
The impious depiction of Jesus on the crucifix

[Anonymous No.19718216]

>>19718190
proper icon of the crucifixion

[Anonymous No.19718218]

>>19718174
>trying to have serious and healthy discussion on 4chan
Imagine it.

[Anonymous No.19718227]

>>19718031
Do you mean picture of text or art depicting scenes from the Bible?

[Anonymous No.19718228]

>>19718216
another proper example

[Anonymous No.19718265]

>>19718216
>>19718193
Oh, yeah. I never cared for that representation. I have read that the S shape is also more realistic as it's a position that people who are put on a cross tend to end up in, because they're trying to prop themselves up with their feet so they don't asphyxiate.

[Anonymous No.19718273]

>>19718218
With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

[Anonymous No.19718286]

Opinions on the expanded Ethiopian canon of scripture?

[Anonymous No.19718291]

I'm reading the NJKV. Should I stop?

[Anonymous No.19718306]

>>19717873
>>19717944
pic-related
seethe more, cucktoid

[Anonymous No.19718318]

>>19718291
No, it's fine.

[Anonymous No.19718321]

>tfw no Puritan Christian gf

[Anonymous No.19718322]

>>19718265
>>19718216
>n-no you can't show Jesus in true agony! he was a heckin based and redpilled alpha like me!

[Anonymous No.19718323]

>>19718306
Why are internet Catholics like this?

[Anonymous No.19718343]

>>19718129
ya seethe?
shouldn't you be worshipping the KJV?

[Anonymous No.19718347]

>>19718322
This needs to be done in balance. Christ's crucifixion was not a defeat but a victory over death. The icon is meant to show the spiritual reality, not simply the physical occurrence. It's not just a painting but a window to the spiritual truth. It is not proper to show him like a shriveled up grey corpse.

[Anonymous No.19718352]

>>19718323
>implying he actually goes to mass instead of posting on /pol/ all day on Sunday
>implying he won't drop Christianity for something more "based" and "redpilled" in 6 months

[Anonymous No.19718365]

>>19718343
Why would I do that when my ESV study bible is open right in front of me?

[Anonymous No.19718374]

>>19718347
>what is the suffering servant
>what is the empty vessel
>what is the seven last words
>what is the agony in the garden

you sound like your headcanon jesus is a "based trad" weighlifter.

[Anonymous No.19718382]

>>19718365
why are you relying on "tradition" for a translation? that's anti biblical. you should be excavating the manuscripts yourself, heretic

[Anonymous No.19718395]

>>19718374
No, this is the traditional way that he should be depicted. Orthodox icons do not depict Jesus like Catholics do which is focused on the flesh.

[Anonymous No.19718413]

>>19718395
>you can't emphasize the humanity of jesus! fully God and fully man? n-nononono! he has to be inaccessible and far beyond us!

no wonder orthodoxy in the east led to islam.

[Anonymous No.19718425]

>>19718413
How can you honestly look at this >>19718176 and think that this is a pious depiction of Christ? I have nothing more to say to you if you conscience is so burned that you can accept such a blasphemous image.

[Anonymous No.19718449]

>>19718425
Jesus suffered on the cross. he was in agony. he experienced the abandonment of God. why is so hard for you to understand? it seems you're very uncomfortable with the humanity of christ. monophysitism is heretical.

Catholicism is an EMBODIED religion. Orthodox have never really been comfortable with the incarnation, that's why the Corporal works of mercy aren't emphasized in the east (same reason we see emphasis on hesychasm). If portraying the agony of Christ makes you uncomfortable, im not sure what to say to you.

[Anonymous No.19718463]

>>19718382
Is this supposed to make sense? Translation is a work of scholarship not tradition.

[Anonymous No.19718470]

>>19718052
>n-no! God can only manifest gifts of the spirit the way WE think he can! he has to work according to our framework! nonono you can't have eucharistic miracles! you can't have things like the miracle of the sun even though it is attested to and witnessed by 10,000 people! nononon!

[Anonymous No.19718477]

>>19718463
>uhhh the canon of the bible ackshully came out of midair! wait, what do you mean it was assembled by the early church? uhhhh but that's not Sacred Tradition because....

cope. the thing with prots is that their own "beliefs" are self-contradictory.

[Anonymous No.19718478]

>>19718449
>Jesus suffered on the cross. he was in agony. he experienced the abandonment of God. why is so hard for you to understand?
That is not the totality of the situation. We depict the totality of the situation, the spiritual reality, not simply what a person would see if they observed it in the world, but what is occurring in truth. You emphasize one particular aspect of it and lose balance. The claim you are making about the East is false as we preserve the fullness of the truth rather than erring to one side.
>>19718470
Why can't you speak properly and not in memes? This is supposedly a thread for Christians is it not? Speak clearly.

[Anonymous No.19718495]

>>19717944
purgatory is the place for remission of temporal consequences of sin. sin can be forgiven but still have temporal consequences (that's the logic at least, see that God is all just). this is also where the very misunderstood idea of "indulgences" comes in. as the Church is the store of grace on earth it has the authority to remit temporal punishment for sins.

if anything, the orthodox view is much more bizarre and out there. the idea of purgatory is simply a consequence of understanding the nature of sin.

[Anonymous No.19718509]

How do the Churches view those who are not called to be members of the clergy or monastics but who have difficulty in finding a spouse - "incels," for lack of a better term?

[Anonymous No.19718519]

>>19718478
what makes you think the Catholics only depict "one side"? you're taking 1 crucifix for an example. look at Dali's crucifix, look at other artistic interpretations. no wonder the orthodox has the icon controversy, they have this weird puritan streak about art.

you're unable to address any of the points that I'm saying, you're highly dogmatic. for all the whining about Catholics the orthodox have a "cult of the icon" which is unable to see diversity in depictions of God. this is why the West has passion plays, oratorios, films, christian operas, etc. while the east neglects evangelization and engagement with the culture. "be in the world but not of the world" - the orthodox aren't in the world, they shun it. they see creation and society as irredeemable. very sick stuff.

[Anonymous No.19718586]

>>19718519
We call ourselves Orthodox because we follow correct belief and practice. That is the core and the thing that you have abandoned. Frankly Roman manners of spirituality, the things that have developed after the schism, they are repulsive and sickening, like a spiritual disease. It is hard to recognize as Christian. But yes talk up your artworks which will turn to ash. You have your reward.

[Anonymous No.19718613]

>>19718478
Jesus abandoned himself? Wew lad. Fucking Pauline heretics.

[Anonymous No.19718619]

>>19718586
you sound like an evangelical prot who "converted" to le based orthodoxy. everything is black and white for you. look up apocatastasis, read Sergius Bulgakov and Isaac the Syrian and Gregory of Nyssa. ever heard of divinization? or theoria? your "based orthodox" sect has had 100 schisms. which orthodox church is the real one? the one that sucks of Russia? ROCOR? the nestorian ones? the ones which schism each other even to this day? western rite orthodoxy? or the "updated" liturgies? what about orthodox churches which reconciled with Rome? how do you square that circle?

orthodoxy is a joke. "before the schism" - you have fucking state churches, lmao.

[Anonymous No.19718627]

>>19718613
>Eli, Eli, Lema Sabachthani
try reading the bible big boy.

[Anonymous No.19718690]

>>19718449
>he experienced the abandonment of God
That's your heresy. He was always Godw always purely joyfull and in the bliss of the Father. His divine nature didn't suffer, because the divine, by definition, can't suffer.
You only see his human nature and confuse it with his divinity.

>>19717840
Ugly icon. Cathocucks are poor imitators

[Anonymous No.19718703]

>>19718322
NTAYRT; I'm sure that Jesus represented like that is dead. When you slump over with your legs bent like that, given the mehanics of crucifixion, you die very quickly. The pain of crucifixion comes from having to sustain your entire body with your legs in an extremely painful position because when you stop you start to asphxiate. Imagine drowning in water that is barely shallow enough to let you catch a breath, for hours. And on top of that, Christ was not just tied but nailed, so every attempt to push himself up must've been excruciating. This is why the Roman soldiers are told to break everyone's legs. When you bend your legs or cannot push yourself up because they're broken, you die.

[Anonymous No.19718724]

>>19718690
>he was experiencing pure joy when he was suffering!
human AND divine. why can't ortholarpers grasp this?

[Anonymous No.19718751]

>>19718619
Not him but you only seek confusion.
Orthodoxy is not a bureaucracy like papism, orthodoxy is the faith. Everyone with the right faith and practice is orthodox.
And faith says the divinity didn't suffer in itself, it united with the suffering human nature, but the divine, by nature cannot suffer. Christ brings the human to the beatitude of the divine, not the opposite. The purpose of Christ is to bring the weak nature to the perfect one, not the perfect divine one, to weakness.
Hence the purpose of crucifixion is glory and not shame, suffering, lacking...
The orthodox perspective, that shows diginity of the divine through human forms, is the opposite of the papist one, that shows only humanity, because it thinks the humanity brought the divine to suffering with it (the orthodox thinking in the contrary that the divine brought the human to bliss with it).

[Anonymous No.19718752]

>>19718690
>His divine nature didn't suffer, because the divine, by definition, can't suffer.
You are making a small theological error here. Natures cannot suffer at all, because they are not actors. Persons are what acts, and it is persons that suffer. So Christ is who suffered, the one person of Christ who is God. So it is proper to say that God suffered. However he suffered in respect to his human nature, not in respect to his divine nature. That is the better way to word this.

[Anonymous No.19718773]

>>19718752
The reason I say this is because if you start treating the natures as if they are persons and saying that they do things, then you end up with a de facto Nestorianism, even if it isn't intended.

[Anonymous No.19718780]

>>19718724
If he was divine, God didn't left him. If we speak of his human nature, God couldn't leave him, because by definition his human nature : was not divine and was in perfect union with the divinity in the Person of Christ. Either way, God's glory never left, unlike in your ugly icons.

[Anonymous No.19718818]

>>19718751
>Orthodox believes right things
>The purpose of Christ is to bring the weak nature to the perfect one, not the perfect divine one, to weakness.
You're preaching the Tower of Babel model.

[Anonymous No.19718838]

>>19718752
>Persons are what acts, and it is persons that suffer.
If persons are what acts, then there is only one power of act, or will in Christ. You thus fall into monothelism (condemned heresy).
The true faith is that there is two will in Christ, because there is two natures. So the two natures are actors, by the fact of the two wills.
To add suffering is a passive affect and not an act. It is an affect proper to humans and it cannot be said about the divine. The divine precisely saved humans, through Christ, of any suffering. God didn't came to suffer (he can't), but to being us glory.

[Anonymous No.19718847]

>>19718751
>>19718780
tzimtzum.
Jesus, in becoming man, experienced the fullness of abandonment from God. he experienced the effects of sin without sinning himself. this is how the new creation happened, same as the old creation. this is why we say sacrament, mysterium fidei. orthodox try to get god to fit in neat little boxes. doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous No.19718891]

>>19718773
>if you start treating the natures as if they are persons and saying that they do things
Monothelitism has been condemned in the sixth oeucumenical council (third of Constantinople).
I don't want to use this against you but your christological errors proves my point, that there is a big confusion about this in papism

>>19718818
You say that because orthodoxy is spiritual unity by faith while diverse wordly ?... If there is one babel model it is papism, that made it faith to believe in it's bureaucratic state

[Anonymous No.19718900]

pls stop fite
fren

[Anonymous No.19718924]

>>19718228
His abs kind of look like a giant penis here

[Anonymous No.19718937]

>>19718900
Relax, bantz between the two churches are a centuries-old tradition.

[Anonymous No.19718944]

>>19718924
stop watching porn
imagine having such an over sexualized mind that you look at an image of Christ and think of genitalia

[Anonymous No.19718954]

>>19718944
>stop watching porn
No.

[Anonymous No.19718968]

>>19718847
>(((late jewish cabbalistic doctrine)))
If it is simply a new creation, and if it operates the same way as the old, how does it corrects it ? How does it brings deification, if it's just a creation ?
Sure you prefer confusion to clear dogmatic concision
One Person, two natures, two wills, one divine (immutable absolute perfection), one human, with all human attributes (including passibility)

[Anonymous No.19719122]

>>19717881
No, you should make your physical Bible as beautiful as possible, and not act like Judas saying Christ shouldn't be anointed with the most expensive oils.

[Anonymous No.19719158]

Do I need to buy a new bible ? I have a very old and fucked up bible, but it seems everyone nowadays need to do some research to find who translated what and buy the newest bible on amazon to check if his or her faith is following correct scriptures.
Is this necessary ? do i really need to buy some expensive bible commentary with some initials ?

[Anonymous No.19719170]

>>19719122
a shitty paperback or hardcover Bible with wide margins that you can annotate and write in for study and a premium quality Bible for devotional use is the way to go

[Anonymous No.19719173]

>>19719158
Easiest foolproof buy is a KJV

[Anonymous No.19719452]

>>19717882
>The Immaculate Conception is an unbiblical novelty
>Anway why yes after you die your soul is going to fly through the air and you will have to beat demons in a game of Mario Party

[Anonymous No.19719470]

>>19719452
the Orthodox rejection of immaculate conception stems from the Orthodox having a fundamentally different understanding of original sin than Catholics rather than a rejection of the sinlessness of the Theotokos
Also as pointed out earlier tollhouses are misunderstood by most non Orthodox (and even a large amount of Orthodox themselves) but regardless they aren't a dogmatic teaching

[Anonymous No.19719474]

>>19718937
it easily turns into shit-flinging, which derails the thread and doesn't make for productive conversation
>>19719452
>Anway why yes after you die your soul is going to fly through the air and you will have to beat demons in a game of Mario Party
ok, this made me kek

[Anonymous No.19719495]

>>19719158
it depends on what you are looking for. the bible with the most up to date scholarship is the oxford annotated NRSV (which also has an oxford commentary book, together they will run you ~$150 I think? I forgot what mine cost but the situation looks similar on amazon now) but conservatives do not like changes this bible has made, so they stick with king james which I assume is what your bible likely is. the KJV has several issues, one of which is the greek they used to translate it way back then, but it's the most popular bible in history and has a lot of sovl. plus many say it is uniquely divinely inspired.

so it really depends on your various inclinations.

[Anonymous No.19719505]

>>19718751
>Orthodoxy is not a bureaucracy like papism, orthodoxy is the faith. Everyone with the right faith and practice is orthodox.
Unless you're a Greek person who wants to take communion at a Russian person's church, which you cannot do, because the Russian Church is in schism with the Greek Church. Your illusion of "unity" and similarity in beliefs in completely laughable to anybody who is aware of the sad state of the "orthodox" national churches.

The true church, as always, is the one which is marked by its communion with the seat of Peter. "Orthodox" national churches are sadly divorced from the true church.

[Anonymous No.19719546]

>>19719452
Imagine denying aerial demoms. All of the church fathers acknowledged this fact, as did Paul. Even in an age when UFOs (which are demonic) fly through the skies, people still make fun of toll-houses. Lol.

St. Basil on various sorts of spirits:
> Thus too in the case of the heavenly powers; their substance is, perhaps, an aerial spirit, or an immaterial fire
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3203.htm

St. Augustine on the nature of demons:
>The nature of demons is such that by virtue of the sense-perception of an aerial body they easily surpass the sense-perception of earthly bodies. In swiftness also, on account of the superior mobility of the same aerial body they prevail without compare not just over the running of any men or beasts you might happen to name, but even the flying of birds. Endowed with these two things (that is, sharpness of sense-perception and swiftness of movement), so far as pertains to an aerial body, they may foretell (or rather, report) things perceived long before, which men marvel at in proportion to the slowness of their earthly sense-perception. The demons have also gained, through the long span through which their life is extended, a far greater experience of events than humans can attain, since their lives are brief.
https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Augustine-De-divinatione-daemonum-translation-Gassman-2020.pdf

cont.

[Anonymous No.19719559]

>>19719452
>>19719546
St. John Cassian on atmospheric spirits
>But the atmosphere which extends between heaven and earth is ever filled with a thick crowd of spirits, which do not fly about in it quietly or idly, so that most fortunately the divine providence has withdrawn them from human sight. For through fear of their attacks, or horror at the forms, into which they transform and turn themselves at will, men would either be driven out of their wits by an insufferable dread, and faint away, from inability to look on such things with bodily eyes, or else would daily grow worse and worse, and be corrupted by their constant example and by imitating them, and thus there would arise a sort of dangerous familiarity and deadly intercourse between men and the unclean powers of the air, whereas those crimes which are now committed among men, are concealed either by walls and enclosures or by distance and space, or by some shame and confusion: but if they could always look on them with open face, they would be stimulated to a greater pitch of insanity, as there would not be a single moment in which they would see them desist from their wickedness, since no bodily weariness, or occupation in business or care for their daily food (as in our case) forces them sometimes even against their will to desist from the purposes they have begun to carry out.

>But when it [the seed of Seth] had been mingled with the evil generation, it drew aside at the suggestion of devils to profane and harmful uses what it had innocently learned, and audaciously taught by it the curious arts of wizards and enchantments and magical superstitions, teaching its posterity to forsake the holy worship of the Divinity and to honour and worship either the elements or fire or the demons of the air.

> thus there would arise a sort of dangerous familiarity and deadly intercourse between men and the unclean powers of the air
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/350808.htm

St. Anthony the Great on spiritual warfare and aerial demons
>For we have terrible and crafty foes — the evil spirits— and against them we wrestle, as the Apostle said, "Not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places Ephesians 6:12 ." Great is their number in the air around us , and they are not far from us. Now there are great distinctions among them; and concerning their nature and distinctions much could be said, but such a description is for others of greater powers than we possess. But at this time it is pressing and necessary for us only to know their wiles against ourselves.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2811.htm

Not to mention that St. Anthony is a good source for toll-houses as well. They’re real. Spiritual warfare continues at death.

[Anonymous No.19719570]

>>19719546
>>19719559
>spiritual warfare continues after death. but purgatory? nonono that can't exist! because...it just can't!

[Anonymous No.19719571]

What's the best Bible for a non-Christian's in-depth study? I've been recommended "The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha" but I hear even this one has multiple versions.

[Anonymous No.19719578]

>>19717889
>Fr. Seraphim Rose was very heavily criticized for his writings on them, for example
The only people who criticize Fr. Seraphim are the real life version of basedjak memes

[Anonymous No.19719594]

any good youtube channels you guys like

[Anonymous No.19719605]

>>19719571
see
>>19719495

it's this one, the one they assign at university.

[Anonymous No.19719609]

>>19719570
Toll-houses are different from purgatory. Toll-house and the associated demons are associated specifically with the parting of the soul from the body. This can be seen in the account of Abba Theophilus, one of the Desert Fathers:

>The same Abba Theophilus said, 'What fear, what trembling, what uneasiness will there be for us when our soul is separated from the body. Then indeed the force and strength of the adverse powers come against us, the rulers of darkness, those who command the world of evil, the principalities, the powers, the spirits of evil. They accuse our souls as in a lawsuit, bringing before it all the sins it has committed, whether deliberately or through ignorance, from its youth until the time when it has been taken away. So they stand accusing it of all it has done. Furthermore, what anxiety do you suppose the soul will have at that hour, until sentence is pronounced and it gains its liberty. That is its hour of affliction, until it sees what will happen to it. On the other hand, the divine powers stand on the opposite side, and they present the good deeds of the soul. Consider the fear and trembling of the soul standing between them until in judgement it receives the sentence of the righteous judge. If it is judged worthy, the demons will receive their punishment, and it will be carried away by the angels. Then thereafter you will be without disquiet, or rather you will live according to that which is written: "Even as the habitation of those who rejoice is in you." (Ps. 87.7) Then will the Scripture be fulfilled: "Sorrow and sighing shall flee away." (Isaiah 35.10

[Anonymous No.19719613]

>>19719495
>>19719605
Mine is a portuguese-brazilian bible. I dont even know who translated this because the bible is so old and damaged.

[Anonymous No.19719621]

>>19719594
Bible Project, Orthodox Teaching of the Elders

[Anonymous No.19719625]

>>19719613
ah, idk anything about PT bibles m8

[Anonymous No.19719650]

Yeah, guess I will do my own research. I don't post regularly, I just lurk sometimes on bible threads. Also, it is a sin to be here on 4chan ? Should one repent and try to get out ?
Any advice for a still somewhat young christian lurking this place for a year ?

[Anonymous No.19719659]

>>19719650
going to a website in and of itself is not a sin, it depends on what you do here
for example if you seek out and consume pornography you have to stop and repent

[Anonymous No.19719680]

Jesus Christ is found wherever truly believing Christians are. He is not found in dogmas formulated by scholars. He is not found in the Bishop's staff, in his omophorion or miter. Union with God is achieved thorough repentance, baptism, partaking of the body and blood of Jesus Christ, and prayer. The first and the last are the most important for spiritual progress and continued communion with God. Jesus Christ is so much more than the collection of rules and regulations put together by the rulers of men. He is a real person. He can be felt. You know him when you see him--you don't have to cover your eyes and pretend that he is not not there, or what is worse: pretend that he is there when it is obvious he is not.
>>19719650
>Also, it is a sin to be here on 4chan
It can easily lead to sin. It can also lead to greater knowledge and a curiosity that you can't get many other places. The site is on its way downhill. Most of the boards will rot your mind. /lit/, however, is a decent board.
Advice for a young Christian? Get a good group of Christian friends and read the Bible. Those two have been most helpful in my journey. Learn to bring God into your life in various ways. See how the trees give glory to God, see what a beautiful mind created the sunset. But having a good Christian community is the most important. There is an ancient saying: unus Christianus est nullus Christianus (one Christian is no Christian).

[Anonymous No.19719691]

>>19719594
orthodox shahada
word on fire

[Anonymous No.19719709]

>>19718509
There are tons of Christian events that bring young adults together. I was a counselor at a summer camp and met my ex-gf that way.

[Anonymous No.19719734]

>>19718321
what movie

[Anonymous No.19719740]

Brothers, I am so happy to read the Bible and pray again. I spent the last week in unremitting sin, and I feel like it carved out a slice of my soul. I want to feel the joy of Jesus Christ again. I am smiling now because I know that he always accepts us back. What a good feeling it is to have a God who loves you so so much and always takes you back with open arms.

[Anonymous No.19719742]

are there any catholic/orthodox bibles that are separated into individual books?
I really had the thin paper

[Anonymous No.19719752]

I genuinely want to become a Monk. I'm not afraid of hard work as I've worked on a building site and used to work on gardens (a lot of shoveling). I feel the call.

[Anonymous No.19719764]

>>19719691
I love Barron as a speaker. Folksy without being patronising.

[Anonymous No.19719766]

>>19719752
Talk to your local Elder, anon. Spend some time as a novice. If it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Praying for you!

[Anonymous No.19719769]

>>19719742
https://www.ignatius.cc/publications.html
Just New Testament but its what you're looking for

[Anonymous No.19719772]

>>19719766
Thank you, my brother. God bless.

[Anonymous No.19719777]

>>19717910
you are dumbing down western monasticism and you should be ashamed of it. reducing to wearing sandals? absurd. go back to watching your jay dyer

[Anonymous No.19719794]

Ok anons, what's your favorite parable?

[Anonymous No.19719797]

>>19719752
read the conferences of st. john cassian. it is about being a monk and the fact being a monk is about seeking purity of heart

[Anonymous No.19719798]

>>19719794
the wheat and the tares

the tares are outer space aliens btw

[Anonymous No.19719803]

>>19719594
reason & theology, primarily
the meaning of catholic

[Anonymous No.19719804]

>>19719777
checking your trips, sorry for how le ebin Orthodox behave on the internet. I think it's cool how there are all sorts of specialized orders in Western monasticism.

[Anonymous No.19719822]

>>19719797
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.19719829]

Hey, does anyone here live in either the UP of Michigan or North Idaho/Western Montana? Doing a roadtrip to scout out where I want to move to and would like church recommendations if you know any :)

[Anonymous No.19719841]

>>19719594
I do like the occasional Pints with Aquinas interview, but I find the host a little sleazy.

[Anonymous No.19719844]

>>19719752

[Anonymous No.19719921]

>>19719594
R. Grant Jones

[Anonymous No.19719927]

>>19719769
I got these for a friend raised Greek Orthodox but was never super serious about it. Both Holy Gospel and Holy Apostle. He appreciated it, especially since, with me being a Catholic, he was surprised I didn't push a Catholic Bible on him.

[Anonymous No.19720093]

>>19718323
>>19718352
>stealing my lines from weeks ago
I'm not surprised desu. My experience with Online Ortolarpers is always the same. First you will introduce yourselves as higher and mightier than others. Then, the moment when your arrogance comes under assault, you retreat into your cave and bite your thumb at the "woooooooorld.' This is why it's very hard to take your kind seriously. It's like, you aren't even real, or rather, the larper's mask you all wear is so unwieldy on your stupid, asymmetric, bearded mutagenic faces that just a little push from others is enough to make it slip enough that you feel fear at this, cower, and hide in your cave all while COPING by repeating to yourselves "inumbations bad, inumbations bad, inumbations bad." You are all low-status men who cope by lying to yourselves about why you hate the "woooooorld" so much. admit it, you are ugly, deformed creatures that can hardly admit, when hammered about it, that you are of God, for indeed from your ugliness alone it seems more that you are from satan instead. if this makes you angry to read, I'm really sorry for I only say what I am convinced the truth is. dwell on my words. repent. humble yourselves, and begone,.

[Anonymous No.19720138]

Hey look, it's the Sedevacantist troll who admitted weeks ago that he doesn't actually to church. For the record, I don't engage in le epic internet war between Catholics and Orthodox. I think people should go to whatever parish they like the most in their area. To those ITT, please do not give this pathetic man any (You)s; he exists only to spread vitriol.

[Anonymous No.19720153]

>>19720138
>who admitted weeks ago that he doesn't actually to church
this is a lie, but ortholarpers can't help but lie. anyone who believes this person is being deceived.

[Anonymous No.19720173]

[Anonymous No.19720175]

Jay Dyer ortholarpers, cringe Taylor Marshall sedevacantist traddies, hyper Calvinist zealots, and smallbrained neo-puritans: are you all cringe, LARP, and unironically, need to touch grass.

[Anonymous No.19720182]

>>19720175
>Taylor Marshall sedevacantist
kek, that dude is not a sede, imbecile.

[Anonymous No.19720187]

anyways, I'm outta here. I've gotta get looooots of rest as I am increasing my cardio by an order of magnitude. don't want any surprises down the road!

[Anonymous No.19720450]

>>19720175
>neo-puritans
I've been found out..

[Anonymous No.19720458]

>>19720450
just curious, what drew you to that style of theology? also, what is neo-puritanism?

[Anonymous No.19720585]

>>19720458
Somewhat of a long story. I wasn't even really Christian when I began.
>be me
>reading about colonial American history
>learn the Great Awakening and about George Whitefield
>decide to read one of Whitefield's sermons to see what all the fuss was about
>had never heard anything like it in my life
>begin reading the Bible about this same time
>learn that Whitefield was something called a Calvinist
>decide to learn about Calvinism
>start with the basic documents like the Westminster Confession of Faith and find them very compelling with all the scripture proofs provided
>these documents were drawn up by Puritan ministers
>decide to start reading Puritan books. found a recommended reading list and began with Thomas Watson. Later I read the complete works of Brooks, and Bunyan, a lot of Burroughs and Baxter. Now Goodwin.

>also, what is neo-puritanism?
I guess just a name for people who like the Puritans. Joel Beeke comes to mind when I hear neo-Puritan.

[Anonymous No.19720641]

>>19719841
>Pints with Aquinas
Matt Fradd still has a bit of the Protestant-convert-zealotry in him but I think he's good intentioned
>>19719921
R. Grant Jones is the man. Wish he did more reviews of "out there" translations.

[Anonymous No.19720979]

>>19720641
>Wish he did more reviews of "out there" translations.
Same. He's reached out and done Nicholas King and David Bentley Hart's translations, but he's started to trend back toward just normal translations but in interesting formats (the recent chronological NKJV video comes to mind). He's also started having fun with YouTube polls to gauge his audience on both serious and silly questions. That all said, I can thank RGJ for helping me choose both a Study Bible and a GNT with his videos.

[Anonymous No.19721000]

Galatians 2:11

[Anonymous No.19721005]

>>19720641
>Matt Fradd still has a bit of the Protestant-convert-zealotry in him
Always happens. You can always, always tell which Catholics and Orthodox used to be Protestant.

[Anonymous No.19721068]

>>19721005
actually I will take that back. I used to listen to a lot of Matt Fradd and he's not as radical as he comes off, actually he's pretty reasonable and has lots of interesting, relevant guests on. He also puts his money where is mouth is and he's recently moved to Steubenville and is doing some great thing with Franciscan, from what I understand (there's a lot of good stuff going on there these days)

[Anonymous No.19721072]

>>19719546
>>19719559
>>19719609
If anything this idea is proof that the church fathers are not people who should be trusted simply because they were closer to the time of Christ.

[Anonymous No.19721073]

bros whats christian major denominations stance towards something like hunter schafer like i want have relationship wirh some femboy and going to church together

[Anonymous No.19721092]

>>19721073
I'm sure you can find some faggot church that mocks Christ to attend, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.19721096]

>>19721073
1 Cor. 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Homosexuality is an abominable sin and those who practice it and do not repent are not saved. Any place you find that accepts homosexuality is not a church. If you want that anyway, then it means you are not there for having faith in Christ, but for some carnal reason, so I would urge you to repent and turn to Christ so that you may be forgiven.

[Anonymous No.19721112]

>>19721068
I mainly find Pints with Aquinas hard to watch in more than small, spread-out doses because it can sometimes become too doomer for me if they get a doomer guest.

[Anonymous No.19721139]

YOU ARE ALL HERETICAL DUMB FUCKING NIGGERS, ORTHODOXY IS THE ONLY REAL AND TRUE CHURCH, PEOTESTANTS ARE MEGA FAGGOTS WHO ALLOW LITTERAL FAGGOTS IN THE CHURCH, YOU CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT DEMONS SHOULD GO FUCK YOURSELVES WITH YOUR ROCK CONCERTS. CATHOLICS ARE DOGMATIC RETARDS WHO FUCK CHILDREN. ORTHOCHADS ARE THE ONLY TRUE AND BASED ONES IN HERE. REPENT FOR SIN, MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU ALL AND BLESS YOU AND ANSWER YOUR PRAYERS.


FUCK PROTESTANTS

FUCK MARTIN LUTHER

FUCK THE POPE

FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

FUCK EVANGELICALS

FUCK LDS

FUCK JEWS

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.19721157]

>>19721092
>>19721096
ok i knew you people might think its some sort of shitposting or something and not taking previous post seriously but i really like this "girl" ive met in some convention before the pandemic weve chatting alot on discord and play vidya together, we really had same chemistry frequency like i never been loved like this before in my whole life and the church part are because of i need some spiritual needs you know sort of coping mechanism to this ugly world then most people ive talked always have some kind of respond "why dont you just convert to religion who more friendly towards lgbt or just become atheist" like i said before probably im not going to become atheist beacuse the spiritual needs and converting to other religion who accept lgbt like buddhism or hinduism feels like larping imo idk just feels weird seeing white guy chanting mantra

[Anonymous No.19721168]

>>19721157
The church is not a place to provide you with feel-good therapy. It is a place where those who believe in Christ go to worship God together. "Churches" like what you want exist, but I will not help you condemn yourself.

[Anonymous No.19721176]

>>19721139
Why are western converts like this?

[Anonymous No.19721186]

>>19721176
"Western converts" true Christianity has no boundaries or limits as to who and where they are required to come from. Fuck off you LITTERAL KIKE

[Anonymous No.19721189]

Why did God need to choose circumcision as part of the covenant with Abraham?

[Anonymous No.19721193]

>>19721186
You probably attend a Western Rite Church you LARPer.

[Anonymous No.19721201]

>>19721186
Orthodox in the old country laugh at you because you are not actually Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.19721240]

>>19719505
The fact it's not bureaucracy at it's core doesn't mean it can't become (like the bishop of Rome did). The seal of Peter is the faith in the divinity of Christ, the revelation, the faith, not some human bishop, not some human construction. You worship your church while having the worst church (and it's precisely because you worship it that it goes that much downhill, like women in the west). And then you call orthodox larpers when only what matters for them is the faith, and didn't dogmatized their structures like you , attached to superficialities.

>>19721139
Papists only have the word "ortholarper" in their mouth, while upholding a completely retarded christology, refuted in this thread. Because they are the ones who larp, and do not have any deep understanding of dogmatics (after all they think Christ was left by God and naturally only see his human nature

[Anonymous No.19721246]

>>19721139
for me the ones who heretic are mormon and jehova witness

[Anonymous No.19721248]

>>19721139
btw, the sacred heart is papist thing. The human nature should not be worshipped in separation to the divine nature according to councils. So neither a bodily part should be, because it's the whole persona of Christ that is divine, there isn't a siege of the divinity in Him

[Anonymous No.19721252]

>>19721072
This. The only trustworthy source that we possess is Scripture, which is breathed out by God. Nothing else has this authority. If someone or something is in contradiction to Scripture, it is wrong. It doesn't matter how early it was written. The Apostles tell us that false teachers and false teachings were already spreading even in the very earliest days.

[Anonymous No.19721300]

the speck of love in my heart is what leads me to Christ

[Anonymous No.19721305]

Orthodox believe this

[Anonymous No.19721306]

>>19721300
curious. the speck of love in my heart is what leads me to secular humanism.

[Anonymous No.19721321]

>>19721305

[Anonymous No.19721327]

>>19721306
Humanism is not justifiable from a secular perspective.

[Anonymous No.19721336]

>>19721321

[Anonymous No.19721340]

>>19719122
The Bible is a book, it's not Christ. This sounds like convoluted cope to consooom.

[Anonymous No.19721348]

>>19721321
>>19721336
>He doesn't have based werewolf Christopher
There's no need to be jealous anon

[Anonymous No.19721351]

>>19721340
I agree that the anon's concerns are misplaced, but the Bible is not simply a book. It is in a different ontological category from every other writing that exists in this world, as it is θεόπνευστος, breathed out by God himself (2 Tim. 3:16).

[Anonymous No.19721354]

>>19721348
He's not a werewolf, he just has a dog head, and perhaps came from among the dog-headed people (>>19721305)

[Anonymous No.19721373]

>>19721351
The content of the Bible is not the physical object of the Bible. I'm not against getting a good Bible but the idea that you "should" get the fanciest possible edition is just consumerist crap.

[Anonymous No.19721381]

>>19721373
I already said that I thought the anon was incorrect. I am only objecting to your characterization that it is just a book.

[Anonymous No.19721523]

>>19718847
>new creation

Terminally pagan Catholic fabrication.

[Anonymous No.19721564]

>>19717861
Yeah Bart and Frank are best buds, and successors will only intensify things, Moscow will stay seething but who cares about dumbo caesaro-papists anyway?

[Anonymous No.19721569]

>>19721564
>Francis and Bartholomew
Imagine actually supporting either of these people.

[Anonymous No.19721573]

>>19721523
> glorified bodies won't be embodied

lole

[Anonymous No.19721584]

>>19721569
> thread about the bible
> doesn't care about the enjoinders to communion therein

Please go >>>/out/ and/or to church.

[Anonymous No.19721589]

>>19721584
I care about communion in truth, not in falsehood.

[Anonymous No.19721608]

>>19721573

The Catholic is the only one guilty of everything that he accuses the Gnostic of: the alleged "mind-body dualism" of the latter is pure ascription to depurate the former's Creation-Evil Dualism whereby Creation is said to totally survive the destruction of Evil. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.19721845]

>>19721305
Yeah I believe in Jesus

[Anonymous No.19721853]

>>19721845
It is a terrible thing that despite his ministry to the dogmen they went extinct before the modern era.

[Anonymous No.19721866]

>>19721853
>they went extinct before the modern era
no... they just forsake Christ...

[Anonymous No.19721867]

>>19721866
lol

[Anonymous No.19721871]

Orthodox believe this

[Anonymous No.19721876]

>>19721871

[Anonymous No.19722194]

>>19721876
Is this supposed to be part of a triptych or something where the third hand would have a source? Or did the painter just fuck up?

[Anonymous No.19722216]

>>19722194
its supposed to be like that

[Anonymous No.19722239]

>>19722194
There is a legend in which John of Damascus lost a hand and it was healed by Mary, so he created a silver replica of his hand and attached it to an icon of Mary. This legend went around and people started to replicate the icon, but instead of the silver hand that is John's they began to draw Mary with three hands and people in the past believed that Mary had three hands. It's similar to this >>19721305 >>19721321 >>19721336 where St Christopher's name was mistranslated from Latin to something like a dog, so Orthodox depicted him with a dog head and believed he came from the dog-headed people.

[Anonymous No.19722265]

Orthodox Saint Stefan Milutin, king of Serbia (feast day October 30) who divorced four previous wives and married a five year old girl that he deflowered at age eight, injuring her such that she became infertile.

[Anonymous No.19722273]

>>19722265

[Anonymous No.19722275]

Can someone provide me with some good commentary on Corinthians 15:29?
I come from a Mormon background and I've come to reject the LDS faith on philosophical grounds due to their conception of God being a dependent, non-omnipotent being, but while discussing the matter with my father he brought up this verse, which seems to imply that part of the early Church practiced baptism for the dead in some form. The argument he made is that, since this practice is mentioned in the Bible and not explicitly condemned, it is evidence that a "Great Apostasy" occured and a Restoration became necessary to restore practices such as baptism for the dead, which had been lost.
I don't accept the idea of a Great Apostasy anymore either, but I haven't seen a good explanation of this verse anywhere yet and it's bothering me.

[Anonymous No.19722278]

>>19722273

[Anonymous No.19722304]

>>19721305
>>19721321
>>19721336
And there are people who claim Christianity isn't a garbled rip-off of Egyptian religion!

[Anonymous No.19722391]

>>19722275
There are numerous interpretations of what this means. But you can get an idea of Paul's point by paying attention to the context. It's connected to this argument here, verses 12-19, refuting those who say there is no resurrection from the dead.

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

So then he says

29 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?

So he could be making a reductio ab absurdum argument in reference to a false practice, he could be referring to people who are baptized at the point of death, he could be referring to our being baptized into Christ's death (Rom. 6:3), etc.

[Anonymous No.19722409]

>>19722304
Yes, because it isn't.

[Anonymous No.19722412]

What do you Catholics think of cum genius? He is very strange.

[Anonymous No.19722426]

>>19722275
>>19722391
Anyway, I think it is likely the first interpretation. Paul is referring to a practice engaged in by some in which they underwent baptism in place of someone dead. And he is saying to those who would deny the resurrection, "What is the point of that if there is no resurrection?" There's not any basis to assume that he is speaking to affirm this practice, or that this was some sort of normative practice approved by the Apostles. There is also no instruction in regard to such a practice nor does it accord with anything else that is said about baptism in the NT.

[Anonymous No.19722435]

>>19722412
He's suspiciously similar to another trip from a few years ago who also posted in all caps and with the same pretend-intellectual style, but who was a Gnostic instead of a tradcath.

[Anonymous No.19722498]

>>19722435
Oh, I think I remember. He used to post the exact same image of the one girl, with a kind of purple filter?

[Anonymous No.19722502]

>>19722409
Start with the Assmann, egyptologist Jan Assmann.

[Anonymous No.19722519]

>>19722502
He no longer holds to his original belief, I suppose because LE JEWZ got to him, ay? Leave, you aren't a serious person.

[Anonymous No.19722585]

>>19722498
It's been a while, I don't really remember.
What was his name? Raesqundus or something like that?

[Anonymous No.19722830]

>>19722239
This is hysterical.

[Anonymous No.19722838]

>>19721072
that's not the model orthodoxy follows, that's the catholic model
orthodox fathers are saints who are very important in the establishment of our dogma
people like Symeon NT and Palamas are both fathers despite living hundreds if not thousands of years after Christ
the actual view of the fathers really varies though
Trenham flings around the notion of patristic consensus but that's not actually a thing
our stance on most things can be summed up as
fear, trembling, love, prayer oh and theosis goes back to Genesis, fuck you
stuff like tollhouses for instance are silly but they do hold a tinge of truth to them
of all the churches, Orthodoxy is the least monotheistic
observe based modern icon of the disinheritance of nations
that spiritual warfare is very much a thing in EO is true, it is also more in the sense of
>all gods are real but they are actually demons
than in the separate set of entities known as demons sense
that it takes the form of toll houses imply, I'm not entirely sure
Look, star based divine language is omnipresent in the Bible and in second temple judaism (Shimon BAR KOKHBA)
which might lead to reading thigns certain ways

[Anonymous No.19722847]

>>19722830
wait till you hear about the wandering jew though I'm pretty sure that's a western christian one
I wouldn't be surprised if we believed in that too at some point though

[Anonymous No.19722864]

>>19722838
""""""""""saints""""""""""
>>19722265
>>19722273
>>19722278

[Anonymous No.19722872]

>>19722412
>>19722435
>>19722498
Its the exact same faggot, nobody likes him. Not Catholics, not atheists, not protestants, not orthodox.

[Anonymous No.19722877]

>>19722864
yeah
for most of history most saints emerged from folk popularity which allowed for quite a few whoopsies
imperial cocksucking also played into this
BUT
pretending that the notion of saint is not scriptural is fucking retarded
should we be way more careful with the concept though
yes, we really should be
I brought up the concept of saint because it's important for figuring out who counts as a church father
because fathers are all people who have left us a written record, we can precise them more easily than trying to figure out whether there ever was a Saint George or not

[Anonymous No.19722905]

>>19722877
>pretending that the notion of saint is not scriptural is fucking retarded
It is completely unscriptural. The term "saint" in the New Testament simply means a Christian.

Acts 9:32 Now as Peter went here and there among them all, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda.

Rom. 15:25-26 At present, however, I am going to Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints. For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make some contribution for the poor among the saints at Jerusalem.

Rom. 16:15 Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them.

Eph. 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Eph. 4:11-12 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the
evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ

Phil. 1:1 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the overseers and deacons:

Many other examples.

[Anonymous No.19722915]

>>19722905
> The term "saint" in the New Testament simply means a Christian
It does. But the thing is we don't actually know who belongs to the heavenly kingdom when they die, except for a certain few holy men and women who are certainly in heaven, martyrs, wonder-workers, great missionaries, etc...

[Anonymous No.19722923]

>>19722915
By the same token you know St. Seraphim of Sarov is in heaven you know that St. Stefan Milutin the pedophile is in heaven, because your church said so.

[Anonymous No.19722944]

>>19722877
Also don't act like this is in the past. People pray to this man today. You can go buy icons of him right now. He is venerated currently.

[Anonymous No.19722949]

>>19722944
are u gonna cry about it lmao

[Anonymous No.19722952]

>>19722949
It is not my problem that you venerate child molesters, it is yours.

[Anonymous No.19722954]

>>19722952
wahh wahh

[Anonymous No.19722960]

>>19722944
In Serbia... Serbia is like that

[Anonymous No.19722962]

>>19722923
Presumably he repented? He also did many good things. Catholics have so many stupid saints like that, like a nun who thought she had intercourse with an angel or something.
Saints in the Orthodox Church are made saints not because the church says so, though I think it sometimes does, but usually because of local veneration of a holy man. Coincidentally, this lines up with the practices of the Early Church as well.

[Anonymous No.19722965]

>>19722905
the concept of sainthood goes back to torah?!
heavenly patronage is a very common theme throughout the Bible
it's not just the new testament
if you wanted a passage from the nt that we'd take to be about sainthood, it'd revelation chapter 4
the bit in the divine council where many of the fallen angels have been replaced by men
it's this notion of the heavenly patron which is just a basic extension of the divine council
unless of course you want to deny the divine council in which you'd have to explain all sorts of things in the ot
>>19722923
on a fundamental level, the church's canonisation doesn't actually matter but then we have no idea who counts as saint besides tradition which has problems because traditions change
>>19722944
I'm not saying it's in the past, I'm saying it's correctable
we also have a really bad relic problem
we also used to bar women from taking communion if they were on their periods
we did and do all sorts of things that are wrong

[Anonymous No.19722977]

>>19722962
It's the same thing with Catholicism, plenty of frauds and criminals are made saints because of public demand or politics. I just made peace with the fact that all institutions are corrupt, whether it's a Protestant institution, Orthodox, Catholic, doesn't matter. Everything touched by man is going to be inherently corrupt.

[Anonymous No.19722996]

>>19722954
>>19722962
>>19722977
>>19722965
It is my observation that people who are part of these institutions (Catholicism, Orthodoxy) will defend virtually anything that they do.

[Anonymous No.19722999]

>>19722977
>plenty of frauds and criminals are made saints because of public demand or politics.
what are some examples?

[Anonymous No.19723002]

>>19722965
>if you wanted a passage from the nt that we'd take to be about sainthood, it'd revelation chapter 4
Nothing in that that bears any mark of the doctrine about saints.

[Anonymous No.19723006]

>>19722996
can you show me a single sentence in my post where I defended the church making saints of people to satisfy nationalist masturbation or many other things?

[Anonymous No.19723024]

>>19723002
did you just ignore everything else I said
divine council has been connected with patronage since torah
if men are in the divine council then men give heavenly patronage
it's not a exactly a clean cut syllogism but it fits in with the divine council from ot and the like

[Anonymous No.19723036]

>>19723024
>It doesn't actually say anything about the doctrine but it "fits"
Argument that can be used to prove anything.

[Anonymous No.19723037]

>>19723024
>did you just ignore everything else I said
He's a prot so yeah
They tend to ignore scripture they don't agree with

[Anonymous No.19723040]

>>19722847
Oh God, I love the wander jew, the concept fascinates me and I love when hes thrown into different works of fiction like in A Canticle For Leibowitz, its so much fun.

[Anonymous No.19723041]

>>19723037
Laughable.

[Anonymous No.19723042]

>>19723041
cope

[Anonymous No.19723047]

>>19723042
It isn't a cope. There's nothing there that states that the elders are people that you can contact via prayer, that you can know who they are specifically, that you should venerate them, that they are advocates for you personally, etc. What they are stated as doing is worshiping God. So you tell me that it "fits", which means that you take something from somewhere else and read it into this because you are capable of forcing it in right there.

[Anonymous No.19723051]

>>19723042
Also they deliver the "prayers of the saints" (again saint just means Christian) to God. God does not deliver prayers to them. You actually invert it.

[Anonymous No.19723056]

>>19722977
Anon, you need to understand that the apostles established an actual Church organization. They didn't disappear after their time with jesus, write a book later, and then do nothing.

You're rejecting the bible if you're rejecting the principle of that organization. The Bible was written written by the men who founded that organization. If you reject the organization you reject those who founded it as well. Their organization later decided what scripture actually was in a Council, so if you reject them you’re rejecting the idea of their being a biblical canon at all, you might as well go full no values subjectivism and read the ‘gospel’ of Judas.

Orthodoxy is the most faithful to that early Christianity, it is the actual Early Church. It hasn’t degenerated even when the Soviets tried something like the ‘Living Church’. Meanwhile, Catholicism has degenerated, and traditional Protestantism has degenerated so much that it doesn’t even matter anymore. Protestant churches degenerated into constant schisming, Universalism, and appeasing people and providing worldly comforts instead of worshiping God. Protestant institutions like Harvard have unilaterally thrown it off and become the beacons of modernism and liberalism.

What you’re doing is forcing in something that wasn’t even in the oral tradition of the Church, which does exist, though it is subverted and weakened in Catholicism and obliterated in Protestantism. Nobody before like 1600 or so attacked the veneration of saints (except for Iconoclasts, but that was more of an icon issue than a saint issue).

[Anonymous No.19723057]

>>19723041
I mean its true, prots use scripture as a weapon, not because they love it and stand in line with it, but because they actually hate the Church more than they love God, and so they corrupt his words in order to attack his institution.

[Anonymous No.19723059]

>>19723057
Yawn.

[Anonymous No.19723063]

>>19723056
>Their organization later decided what scripture actually was in a Council,
There is no ecumenical council in Orthodoxy that determined the canon. In Catholicism there was no ecumenical council to determine the canon until Trent in the 1500s. This argument is nonsense.

[Anonymous No.19723064]

>>19723059
Typical response from a heretic, I will pray for your soul.

[Anonymous No.19723069]

>>19723064
There should come a point when you realize that putting on this act does not actually accomplish anything for anyone, for me or for you. Hopefully you'll understand that at some point.

[Anonymous No.19723070]

>>19722999
St. Pio was a man who established a massive personality cult in Italy and Spain IIRC. The medical commissions sent by the Vatican insisted that he was burning his hands with acid to fake his stigmata. There's plenty of commentary about him of people saying that he wasn't behaving like a proper friar, let alone a saint, but by that point he already had a massive following. I think he's worshipped harder in the south of Italy than Jesus Christ himself, and I say worshipped because Italians have no concept of intercession whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.19723074]

>>19723069
And there should come a point for you to realize what the truth is, and to come to that truth. I actually expect that you will come to that truth sooner rather than later. Anyone who is earnest in their Christian views comes to Catholicism eventually. So its only a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.19723080]

>>19723074
You acted hard online so you get two days off of purgatory, good job.

[Anonymous No.19723083]

>>19723080
Once again, im praying for you, and I know you will come to the truth soon. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.19723084]

>>19718062
Rumski Papa BTFO eternally

[Anonymous No.19723093]

>>19723056
>You're rejecting the bible if you're rejecting the principle of that organization
I didn't say I refuse the institutional aspect of Christianity. On the contrary I accept it despite it being corrupt. It doesn't matter where you go, a criminal is made a saint, or a pastor may be using church money for his own interests, or the head of your church supports a corrupt government, it doesn't matter, there will always be corruption as with all things that involve people as well as any sum of money.

[Anonymous No.19723094]

>>19718306
LARPagans are unironically your betters

[Anonymous No.19723122]

>>19720093
You're trying too hard to be condescending, like a neckbeard.

>religion is just coping for psychological problems

Ok fedora.

[Anonymous No.19723136]

>>19721201
I'd ask how you know that, but you don't you worthless neckbearded troon

[Anonymous No.19723137]

>>19723070
All veneration of saints is idolatry. For example here
>1 Thess. 1:9 For they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God
Catholics draw the distinction between latria (worship) and dulia (veneration), but in Thessalonians here the term used for "serve" is δουλεύω, a verbal form of δουλεία, "dulia." So the idolators gave up their idols to give dulia to God. If dulia is a distinct thing from latria, and is only veneration, then it means they were not idolators, as that would require latria.

[Anonymous No.19723142]

>>19721193
Just kys already. Your existential despair isn't any less pathetic to people who aren't you.

[Anonymous No.19723154]

>>19721876
Imagine believing in the "resurrection of the dead" and finding having three hands implausible. You people are pathetic

[Anonymous No.19723155]

>>19723137
Are you the Ishtar person? Please stop.

[Anonymous No.19723156]

>>19723137
weak bait

[Anonymous No.19723157]

>>19723155
No. Also not an argument.

[Anonymous No.19723162]

>>19723157
you are though
your posting style and arguments are identical

[Anonymous No.19723165]

It seems like stupid protestant posting unites Catholic and Orthodox for a brief moment.

[Anonymous No.19723167]

>>19723156
You too, not an argument.
>>19723162
Has he made that argument? I have not seen it if so. What is your response to it, since you have seen it before?

[Anonymous No.19723168]

>>19722519
He doesn't think monotheism began with Akenaten anymore? I know there were other claims he had to qualify a bit more since those were largely value judgments on the intolerance of mosaic religion.

[Anonymous No.19723171]

I know onion paper bibles are traditional but I'm looking for nice wide margin bible that can survive extensive note taking.

Preferably in ESV, NIV, NLT or NRSV.

[Anonymous No.19723183]

>>19723137
You can probably get one here, they specialize in high quality bibles
https://evangelicalbible.com/

[Anonymous No.19723186]

>>19723171
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1433531917?psc=1

[Anonymous No.19723189]

>>19723183
Meant for >>19723171

[Anonymous No.19723202]

>don't believe Protestants' claims about there being an "apostasy" or sacraments being unnecessary
>don't accept Protestants' doctrines of sola scriptura or faith-alone salvation
>don't believe Catholics' claims about papal supremacy (not primacy) in the early church
>don't accept Catholics' attitudes towards mysticism and scholasticism or the overly legalistic way they function
>don't fully accept Orthodox claims of unity due to the tangled web of patriarchates being partially in communion with each other rather than all being fully in communion with all
>suspicious of the way both Caths and Orths are involved in politics, especially in Italian history and currently in Russia and Ukraine
>think either Caths or Orths are the genuine Church but can't fully take the plunge for either one yet
What should I do?

[Anonymous No.19723204]

>>19723171
I assume that journaling Bibles have thicker paper?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtBp-y0B_QE&t=164
This is a Crossway.

[Anonymous No.19723209]

>>19723202
go to irl cath and ortho churches and talk with the priests

[Anonymous No.19723238]

>>19723202
No institution will be pure, in fact they will all be corrupt to a degree even just for the sake of compromise with secular power. Just accept this fact then go to a Catholic or Orthodox Church. You may find an institution that is unbearably corrupt or one that is marginally corrupt. I would say that a small parish has a chance to be only marginally corrupt. Just participate to the Liturgy. It's not your mission to fix the earthly institutions of Christianity. You go there to receive sacraments and be in communion with other Christians, and hopefully to bring some of that back home.

[Anonymous No.19723246]

>>19723237
Which books?

[Anonymous No.19723247]

Does anyone have one of these books? If so, I have some questions:
Sewn or glued binding?
Printed in which country?
Heightxlegnth dimensions?

[Anonymous No.19723252]

>>19723202
I speak as a Reformed Christian.
>>don't believe Protestants' claims about there being an "apostasy" or sacraments being unnecessary
1. We do not hold that there was a mass apostasy, but that error gradually accumulated over the centuries. We do not reject all previous tradition, it should be kept, but measured against scripture to see what is true and what is false (see below for why).
2. The sacraments are outward signs by which God truly confers grace upon us. There is not much space to get into this here, but we do not hold that they are mere symbols that do nothing. In a strict sense it is not essential (even Catholics acknowledge exceptions), but it is the duty of every Christian to be baptized and partake in the Eucharist once they come of age.
>>don't accept Protestants' doctrines of sola scriptura or faith-alone salvation
1. Sola scriptura means that the Bible is the sole infallible rule of faith, not that it is the only rule. Scripture tells us that scripture is "breathed out by God" (2 Tim. 3:16). This places it in a different ontological category that any other writing in the world. There is nothing else that is breathed out by God. There is no other source where we have the words of Christ or the words of the Apostles. Is is the only sure thing by which we may make the determination of what God has truly revealed and commanded.
2. Salvation by faith alone is a technical distinction. It means that we are made right with God by faith. Faith is the instrument by which we are justified and our sins are wiped away. But this is only one part of salvation. Salvation broadly conceived is a process that continues after justification with sanctification, in which God brings us into greater harmony and obedience with himself. Our faith does not give us license to do as we please, but rather gives us the freedom to obey God in truth. And it is our duty to obey him and to persevere in the faith, lest our profession be proven false. The importance of this distinction is that we never trust in our own works, but fully rely upon Christ alone for our salvation.
Hopefully that is helpful in some way.

[Anonymous No.19723254]

>>19723252
Also I do not have the time to debate about this for hours. If the anon I responded to needs clarification I can try to give it, but if I get dogpiled by arguments I am not going to respond as I have work soon.

[Anonymous No.19723256]

>As of 2009, 49 Gutenberg Bibles are known to exist, but of these only 21 are complete.

[Anonymous No.19723264]

>>19723238
>It's not your mission to fix the earthly institutions of Christianity
If not yours, whose? Is this really the attitude you all have, and then you seethe endlessly about degeneracy, modernity, materialism, atheism, secular culture, etc.? If you are more bothered by that than the religious institutions themselves are, how would the situation ever improve in these institutions? No pressure from above, none from below. It's not even larping, because you're just taking all your pre-existing beliefs, labelling them Christianity based on what you've looked up, and representing that inaction to others as Christianity. The larper would at least maintain the pretense of "doing something."

[Anonymous No.19723292]

>>19723247
>Sewn or glued binding?
I can answer this by looking this up on YT, it's a sewn binding because when the book is opened, the book block does not stick to the spine. But generally speaking you can expect all books above a certain price to be sewn.

[Anonymous No.19723298]

>>19723252
begone calvinist

[Anonymous No.19723338]

>>19723292
Hmm, okay. The only comparison I can make is to IVP's other books, and their Bible Background Commentary is glued, so I thought perhaps these were as well.

[Anonymous No.19723370]

>>19723264
I'll try to explain this better. That anon is in a fence-sitting situation between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. He sees a problem everywehere and doesn't know what to do. He's definitely not in the position of starting a new Church of his own, which is pretty much what you imply he should do, because let's be honest, between someone who's asking on a Botswanian carpet brushing forum which church he should choose and the Pope of Rome or the Patriarch of Moscow there's such a ridiculous abyss of opportunity it's not even worth talking about.
There are bound to be plenty of corrupt parishes and it's guaranteed that the heads of churches will be corrupt or will have to engage in corrupt practices. I didn't really say that he should do nothing about this reality, ever, but for the time being he should just join a Church that is as marginally corrupt as possible.
It's like you're moving into a new house with roommates, and every roommate will have something unpleasant about him or her. Do you just not move into that city? No, you move in the house that isn't too unpleasant. For the time being you do that. Then from within, perhaps, after you are in contact with your rommates, you try to point you the problems they have and perhaps help them to fix them. Step one is getting into a house, step two is perhaps finding a way to help your house, your community, to live together in harmony and overcome its problems, then after that you move on to bigger problems, like helping your neighborhood? Then yeah one day you might run for Mayor but it's a bit hard to do without even knowing what the city is like.

[Anonymous No.19723384]

>>19723298
lol

[Anonymous No.19723402]

>>19723247\
>>19723338
Printed in the USA.

[Anonymous No.19723407]

>>19718477
>canonization has anything to do with translation
This is definitely the levels of intellect required for Satan to fool people into praying to Ishtar and demons instead of God.

[Anonymous No.19723412]

>>19723247
>>19723338
USA

[Anonymous No.19723413]

>>19717840
Slave morality. Read The Will to Power, this version:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52914/52914-h/52914-h.htm
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52915/52915-h/52915-h.htm

If not this, then Kaufman's.

[Anonymous No.19723417]

>>19723412
>>19723292
And it looks glued from this picture I found.

[Anonymous No.19723422]

>>19723338
Mind you, all books are glued regardless if they're sewn. It's really difficult to find a hardback that isn't sewn. If you have the other book that is glued check if it does this, or if the book block is glued to the spine, which is usually what is done to glued binding since if you have the book block bending that loosely it's guaranteed that the glue will come off.

[Anonymous No.19723444]

>>19723413

[Anonymous No.19723457]

>>19723417
Looks sewn to me. If you open in the middle of a signature (stack of bent sheets) do you see thread? If yes it's sewn.

[Anonymous No.19723464]

>>19723370
>you must pick one of these declining moribund institutions
It's a poor message and it's why churches are deteriorating as these static hieratic organizations that no one feels invested in. I have to wonder if you took a Christian from 100 AD if he could tell these churches were descended from him or if he'd think they were pagan and start assembling a mob to torch them

[Anonymous No.19723468]

>>19723064
Pray for yourself, you sanctimonious, holier-than-thou twat

[Anonymous No.19723492]

>>19723468
No.. I am going to pray for you, anon. Lol you seem angry and lost, and you keep attacking. I wil be praying for you most specifically this evening and probably a bit more throughout the week.

[Anonymous No.19723501]

>>19723464
I understand where you come from, but in my book it's much better to join a not quite so perfect parish, with its flaws and all, and actually commune with other Christians, with their flaws and all, than, what exactly? To become one of the many e-Protestants who never walked into a Church and who live their Christianity on social media where of course, everyone is a flawless saint who prays incessantly and never even thinks of anything sinful.

[Anonymous No.19723545]

>>19723464
Fence-sitting anon here. I should have mentioned it earlier, but I'm also this poster >>19722275.
I don't agree with you. If I eschew the existing institutions because they're run by fallible humans and suffer from corruption, then I might as well make up whatever doctrine I like and found my own church. In addition, if all the institutional churches are irreparably corrupt, then I would be inclined to believe that the verses about the gates of Hell not prevailing against the Church were not true.
I'm specifically seeking to join one of those institutions in the first place because I have numerous doctrinal and philosophical issues with the LDS church I was raised in, among them the claims of a Great Apostasy necessitating a Restoration, claims that God was created/is contingent on something else/did not create the world ex nihilo, near-Gnostic ideas like Christ and Satan being something like brothers or of the same species, claims of God having a female spouse, Arian ideas of the Trinity, and the idea that God has a physical body.
I would rather join a church which teaches correct doctrine, even if its membership is small or it is unpopular in society, or if its human organization suffers from the fallible nature of its members, than a popular one which teaches things that are not true.

[Anonymous No.19723563]

>>19723501
>it's much better to join a not quite so perfect parish, with its flaws and all, and actually commune with other Christians
One could largely do this without the theoretical concerns that seem to take place in these threads about different denominations if the only benefit is community engagement. It is unlikely most of the other people there care about filioque or which icon is the coolest, and you could be a scholastic on your own time

[Anonymous No.19723643]

>>19723545
>In addition, if all the institutional churches are irreparably corrupt, then I would be inclined to believe that the verses about the gates of Hell not prevailing against the Church were not true.
Gates a defensive structure not an offensive structure.

[Anonymous No.19723648]

>>19723643
Gates are* a defensive structure
hurr

[Anonymous No.19723649]

>>19723643
theres no way you're using that as an argument

[Anonymous No.19723650]

>>19723563
I don't understand this idea where communing with other Christians in your parish is like throwing parties that have nothing to do with Christian life. The first thing they did for me when I went to my parish was to give me a booklet that explained a bunch of points, including a few points of contention with other confessions such as the filioque. There are probably people in the parish who care absolutely nothing for theology or whose faith is flawed or who leave everything Christian at the Church's doors. That doesn't mean that participating to a parish's life is somehow separated or opposite to fleshing out one's theology.

[Anonymous No.19723669]

>>19723649
>I will attack you with my gate
Okay

[Anonymous No.19723674]

>>19723669
your IQ is like 12

[Anonymous No.19723677]

>>19723669
It's got pokey tips

[Anonymous No.19723682]

>>19723545
The gates of death, of the grave, cannot overcome anyone who is a member of the ekklesia.

[Anonymous No.19723683]

>>19723674
>Catholics keep saying it means Hell conquering the church so that must be what it means despite that being contrary to the clear meaning of the analogy
Okay

[Anonymous No.19723691]

>>19723683
I refuse to believe you aren't trolling

[Anonymous No.19723706]

>>19723650
There's atleast a handful of other atleast interested in thrology folks around, and atleast your parishioner would be a good talk. Not the worst, all in all.

Can you quickly go over the filioque issue? A skim didn't help much.
Also parish is such a nice word.

[Anonymous No.19723710]

>>19723155
Rent free in the heathen mind. Repent and pray only to God.

[Anonymous No.19723711]

>>19723691
You are free to think what you will. But this is an example of tradition overriding your common sense. You don't even think about what a gate actually is, but simply read the "traditional" meaning into the text uncritically. A gate is a fortification not a weapon. The meaning is that death will not prevail, that the church, the body of Christ, defeats it and will have life everlasting. That's all I want to say, you can call me dumb again if you want, I am not shamed by such things.

[Anonymous No.19723715]

New thread

>>19723714
>>19723714
>>19723714

[Anonymous No.19723723]

>>19723711
yeah you're trolling

[Anonymous No.19723728]

>>19723545
Wow, the LDS folks really went wild with the apostasy.
Didn't think they were that off.

[Anonymous No.19723744]

>>19723710
Hello Ishtar guy

[Anonymous No.19723756]

>>19723728
I was doing some reading as well. Some pretty creative theology happened in America.

[Anonymous No.19723771]

>>19723744
Hello Satanic Babylonian pagan who sees my reflection in the posts of others like a house of mirrors at the carnival. FYI, I am not the only person who mentions Ishtar here, and I just happened to see a /pol/ thread earlier on "Mary for Protestants" that had no less than 3 post IDs saying the same.

[Anonymous No.19723774]

>>19723771
meds

[Anonymous No.19723782]

>>19723771
Oh, and I didn't post in said /pol/ thread. I rarely visit /pol/ at all and even rarer participate.

[Anonymous No.19723812]

>>19723706
>Can you quickly go over the filioque issue?
I premise that I'm not very fixated on theology, but it's a Catholic idea that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son (lit. filioque). That the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (like the "breath" of God) is Scriptural of course, but this new introduction has as a consequence that the Holy Spirit is effectively subordinate to Father and Son. The way I saw it put around here was that "it creates a dyad in the Trinity".
Why did the Catholics develop this though? I don't know.

[Anonymous No.19723824]

>>19723771
>unironically visits /pol/
was that before or after your daily round on /d/?

[Anonymous No.19723830]

>>19723824
>>19723782

[Anonymous No.19723852]

>>19723812
Helpful. I disagree with that aswell.

[Anonymous No.19723896]

Would an anon please post an Orthodox reading chart I found in one of the past Orthodox threads? It included "From Glory to Glory" and "The Cosmic Mystery of Jesus Christ".

[Anonymous No.19723967]

>>19723896
Check the wiki

[Anonymous No.19724201]

>>19717840
Jamie open up the /christian/ meme folder and complain about the mods

[Anonymous No.19724245]

>>19724201