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I want to read something like Nietzsche with regards to independence, but in the context of the outdoors. Maybe something about mountaineering or homesteading or something like that. Already read Emerson he seemed too tame

>> No.19713707

>>19713664
nice painting never seen that one before

Was Zappfe an environmentalist of sorts? there's also a friend of his, uhhh, Arne Naess?

>> No.19713853

>>19713707
those authors look great thanks anon

>> No.19713865

>>19713664
Is this artistic style called gouache?

>> No.19714088

>>19713865
Style is impressionism, medium is oil on canvas.

>> No.19714109

>>19713707
Zapffe isn't a great example of an environmentalism.

>> No.19714118

>>19713664
You will have trouble synthesizing these ideas, as environmentalism concerns 'the environment,' i.e. the philosophy and science concerning the series of dependent relationships that exist within nature.

>> No.19714129

>>19713664
Pippi

>> No.19714147

>>19713853
sure thing. fair warning, kinda just throwing shit out there as>>19714118
>>19714109
these anons say it’s kinda hard to put these two things together. depending on how you look at the whole Nietszche/environment thing, you could read Kaczinski :) in fact, let me research some of his ilk to see if anyone fits what you’re looking for better

>> No.19714160

>>19713664
Probably not what you’re looking for but Paul Kingsnorth might be worth a read.
If you’re looking for more instructional texts (which I do not think you are) you could check out the Foxfire books.

>> No.19714167

>>19713664
>like Nietzsche with regards to independence, but in the context of the outdoors. Maybe something about mountaineering
.... So like Nietzsche?

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>>19714147
see attached. might not be “Nietzsche” enough for what you’re looking for, but some other avenues to investigate. good luck anon

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I would recommend Robinson Jeffers. Misanthropic nature poet who was influenced by Nietzsche. If you are averse to poetry I would still recommend him. His stuff tends to be very straightforward, and a lot of them are narrative poems.

pdf of his selected poetry (600+ pages)
https://archive.org/details/selectedpoetryof009002mbp

Here is a couple of his poems:

Rock and Hawk

Here is a symbol in which
Many high tragic thoughts
Watch their own eyes.

This gray rock, standing tall
On the headland, where the seawind
Lets no tree grow,

Earthquake-proved, and signatured
By ages of storms: on its peak
A falcon has perched.

I think, here is your emblem
To hang in the future sky;
Not the cross, not the hive,

But this; bright power, dark peace;
Fierce consciousness joined with final
Disinterestedness;

Life with calm death; the falcon's
Realist eyes and act
Married to the massive

Mysticism of stone,
Which failure cannot cast down
Nor success make proud.

return

A little too abstract, a little too wise,
It is time for us to kiss the earth again,
It is time to let the leaves rain from the skies,
Let the rich life run to the roots again.
I will go to the lovely Sur Rivers
And dip my arms in them up to the shoulders.
I will find my accounting where the alder leaf quivers
In the ocean wind over the river boulders.
I will touch things and things and no more thoughts,
That breed like mouthless May-flies darkening the sky,
The insect clouds that blind our passionate hawks
So that they cannot strike, hardly can fly.
Things are the hawk's food and noble is the mountain, Oh noble
Pico Blanco, steep sea-wave of marble.

sign-post

Civilized, crying: how to be human again; this will tell you how.
Turn outward, love things, not men, turn right away from humanity,
Let that doll lie. Consider if you like how the lilies grow,
Lean on the silent rock until you feel its divinity
Make your veins cold; look at the silent stars, let your eyes
Climb the great ladder out of the pit of yourself and man.
Things are so beautiful, your love will follow your eyes;
Things are the God; you will love God and not in vain,
For what we love, we grow to it, we share its nature. At length
You will look back along the star's rays and see that even
The poor doll humanity has a place under heaven.
Its qualities repair their mosaic around you, the chips of strength
And sickness; but now you are free, even to be human,
But born of the rock and the air, not of a woman.

>> No.19715491

>>19713664
You need to grow out of Nietzsche anon

>> No.19715511

https://www.fordhampress.com/9780823262878/nietzsche-and-the-becoming-of-life/
https://www.fordhampress.com/9780823230280/nietzsches-animal-philosophy/

>> No.19715525

Jean Giono
Saint-Loup

>> No.19715683

>>19713664
Meditations on the Peaks by Evola

>> No.19715992

>>19713664
as others have said, I think it is best to leave nietzsche behind. the combination you are talking about seems like you are asking for examples of man exerting his own values onto nature and bending it to his will, mastering it. most environmentalism is pretty much the complete opposite of this, nature is greater than any of man's ambitions so we need to cool it a bit and stay in our lane so to speak.

maybe you would be interested in reading about ideas of the sublime, there's burke, kant, schopenhauer, etc.

>> No.19716010

>the painting is titled "The Magpie"
>the magpie actually takes only a small fraction of the canvas' surface, the rest is some comfy house and winter forest
What did he mean by this?