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Buddhism Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:47:05 2011 No.1971360 [Reply] [Original]

I want to get into Buddhism /lit/.

Not as a hurr durr my God is glorious religion, but as a spiritual way to improve self control, understanding of myself and the world and attain happiness. Learning to meditate and deal with emotions, etc.

I understand Buddhism doesn't really have dogma or the equivalent of a Bible/Q'ran/Torah, etc.

I don't want to join temple or a cult . either. TBH it's not really a thing I want to talk about with other people. In case you're thinking I'm some kind of hipster joining the Buddhism bandwagon because it's cool.

Where should I get started?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:49:05 2011 No.1971365 You typed that on a mac didn't you? Fucking hipster

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:51:05 2011 No.1971370 >>1971365 Why so much hate? I love you man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:55:05 2011 No.1971375 >>1971360 Not a buddhist scripture, but I think you might be able to gain something from reading some Rumi poetry

JamesBond !!JAU/DZkp95n Sat Jul 30 09:56:05 2011 No.1971377

>>1971360
>I understand Buddhism doesn't really have dogma or the equivalent of a Bible/Q'ran/Torah, etc.

That's because its not a religion in its roots. Its a cult of personality at its base.

That makes it as good as Following Erich Von Däniken.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:56:05 2011 No.1971378

>>1971360
>it's not really a thing I want to talk about with other people
You will never get anywhere in Buddhism if you do not discuss it with other people.

If you want to deal with your emotions, understand yourself, and be happy, just start smoking weed. It's a lot easier than spending 8 hours every day staring at your belly button.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:57:05 2011 No.1971379 OP, wait until you're not 14 anymore and see if you still want to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 09:59:05 2011 No.1971381 >>1971360 All right, here is you first koan: Why did the hipster burn his mouth on the pizza? He wanted to eat it before it was cool.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:00:05 2011 No.1971383

posted this on /g/ aswell, in case you didn't read it:

i'd recommend you "The Empty Mirror: Experiences in a Japanese Zen Monastery" by janwillem van de wetering
i very much enjoyed reading it, also gives a humourous and easy to read introduction to buddhism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:00:05 2011 No.1971384 >>1971377 >That makes it as good as Following Erich Von Däniken. except buddhism is about understanding eternal truths in human nature and not aliens. idiot.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:02:05 2011 No.1971387

The modern new-age cult called "Buddhism" has nothing to do with the Traditional Indic religion. It's just another quest by adherers of the modern Western atheistic world-view to fill the gap within, same as Wicca or Scientology.

The last you want to do, OP, is adopting a world-view because it's 'cool'.

I'm not Christian myself, but what's wrong with Christianity anyway. I understand the lack of appeal if you live in a Protestant environment, but you can try Catholicism or Orthodoxy if there are nearby communities.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:03:05 2011 No.1971389 >>1971387 >Orthodoxy christianity+orthodoxy=catholicism anyways. gtfo. i despise all forms of religious orthodoxy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:04:05 2011 No.1971392 >>1971383 I'll look into that. Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:05:05 2011 No.1971395 >>1971360 >I understand Buddhism doesn't really have dogma or the equivalent of a Bible/Q'ran/Torah, etc. You do not understand quite so correctly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:07:05 2011 No.1971396 >>1971389 The last heresy is orthodoxy. And Orthodoxy != Catholicism, you moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:08:05 2011 No.1971398 >It's just another quest by adherers of the modern Western atheistic world-view to fill the gap within[.] I don't see this as a bad thing. By searching for anything implies there must be a gap present beforehand.

>>	lazy Sat Jul 30 10:10:05 2011 No.1971401 Hey OP you may not see this in the /g/ thread but >>19104009 >>19104043

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:11:05 2011 No.1971404 Go read Gateless Gate. Next idiot question pretending this is /new/ please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:11:05 2011 No.1971405 >>1971389 Christianity + Orthodoxy = Orthodox Christianity.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:14:05 2011 No.1971415

>>1971389
Why is that, and if that's so, why are you asking about Buddhism? Just make up your own religion, if you hate orthodoxy and leave this thousands years old tradition alone. Hippies have already done enough damage. So much damage that their neo-spiritual version of the religion has overshadowed the original. For example, I'm certain that you come here asking about the modern 'cool' Buddhism, not the original thing.

When I say Orthodoxy (with a capital O) in relation to Christianity, I'm referring to the collective tradition of the closely related Eastern Churches.

You don't seem to know the least thing about your ancestral religion, yet here you are asking about Buddhism.

I tell you, brother, just wait until you're a bit older and things will seem much clearer. We've all been through the phase you're going trough right now.

Anyway, if you insist, check out Julius Evola's The Doctrine of Awakening: The Attainment of Self-Mastery According to the Earliest Buddhist Texts. Though it would probably teach you that Buddhism is a Traditional religion like all others and it will kill the interest you have in the cool hollywood cult.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:16:05 2011 No.1971420 >>1971398 Absolutely nothing wrong. But the wrong begins when these people stop seeking to learn from other traditions and start appropriating them to their own doctrines and dogmas.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:17:05 2011 No.1971423

OP, I can understand you're problem with Western Religion, I really can. But you have to understand that when a white guy adopts an Asiatic religion he always looks ridiculous.

If you really have to join a religion outside the Christian tradition than start worshiping the gods of Greece and Rome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:18:05 2011 No.1971428 >>1971396 catholocism ALWAYS has orthodox rites. with christians in general not necessarily so. not complicated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:20:05 2011 No.1971432 >>1971415 i'm not the OP you dumb faggot! i don't need orthodoxy because my own relation to God is my OWN relation to God.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:21:05 2011 No.1971434

>>1971423
The thing is, I don't plan to put "I'm a Buddhist hurr" in my Facebook p^ profile for all my other friends to see and go to a Buddhist temple twice a week to get hipster cred.

I just want to learn how to meditate and to become a badass master of my own emotions and happiness. I want to meditate when I'm alone, most people I know will never know about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:22:05 2011 No.1971436 >>1971428 Are you noticing that we're writing Orthodox with a capital O? Also, you seem to use the word 'Christian' to refer to an other group that Catholics and the Orthodox. Could you please elaborate on that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:25:05 2011 No.1971444 File: 133 KB, 400x307, 1266222767274.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I just want to learn how to meditate and to become a badass master of my own emotions and happiness

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:26:05 2011 No.1971445

>>1971432
You do need Orthodoxy, as does anyone else, because man is prone to error, and he tends to give in to the base and carnal tendencies within him, in disregard to the intellectual side that God bestowed upon him. Hence the need for learned and pious men to play a bigger role in the establishment of the law and interpreting the scriptures than the commons.

For example, have you been following a world-view with any kind of orthodoxy, you would've known that that is no way to speak to people.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:26:05 2011 No.1971447

>>1971436
catholocism is a specific denomination of christianity. christianity has non denominational for instance. orthodoxy is just dogma for how one ought to worship. i don't believe in that. if by capital "O" you're talking about a differect sect than there is miscommunication.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:28:05 2011 No.1971449 i hope the irony is not lost on you guys when theists talk about disregarding "the intellectual side"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:29:05 2011 No.1971451 >>1971445 it's how i always speak to retards. you know, slow people. not that i think you are mentally incapable. you went off on a rant assuming i was op and you assumed all this crap then went on about nothing. also, welcome to 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:30:05 2011 No.1971455 >>1971444 Problem? That's what Buddhism is actually all about. Deal with it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:31:05 2011 No.1971459

>>1971447
I don't think you're aware of the existence of the Orthodox Churches. What type of Christianity do you think they practice in Greece, Russia, and Palestine?

Anyway, I don't exactly get what you'er trying to say, but I'm tempted to say that you're one of those Protestants who consider Protestantism to be alone worthy of the title 'Christianity', but then you don't seem to be a native English speaker which makes that rather unlikely (this kind of people being most English speakers).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:32:05 2011 No.1971461 >>1971370 But you DID write it on a macbook didnt you

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:33:05 2011 No.1971463 >>1971451 You talk to retarded people like that, you say? I don't think I'd like to associate with you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:34:05 2011 No.1971465 >>1971434 >I just want to learn how to meditate Step 1: Sit down. Step 2: Do nothing. There, are you fucking happy yet?

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:35:05 2011 No.1971468

You don't need Buddhism to learn self-control and all of that other stuff. There are plenty of Western philosophical works that cover those things. Plus, this whole thing with Westerners adopting Buddhism and shit leaves a bad taste in my mouth, mostly because the kind of Buddhism they latch onto has been corrupted as fuck over time.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:35:05 2011 No.1971470

>>1971445
you are onto something. at least some small amount of orthodoxy has to exist to i get your point.

>>1971459
>Protestants who consider Protestantism to be alone worthy of the title 'Christianity'

that's not me at all. i believe people ought to worship however way they want as long as they aren't physically harming anyone else. it's not my business if people like to chant and wear robes, or if others like to be around it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:37:05 2011 No.1971472 File: 1.53 MB, 2592x1936, IMG_1171.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1971461 Yes I did, how did you know?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:37:05 2011 No.1971473 >>1971470 I think I've given a satisfactory, albeit brief, explanation of the necessity of orthodoxy. Anyway, may I ask where you're from?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:38:05 2011 No.1971474 >>1971465 >Sit down. >Do nothing. >Are you fucking happy yet? This is the most succinct and most accurate summation of meditation you will ever read. You literally need nothing fucking else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:39:05 2011 No.1971475 >>1971472 Not that guy, but you have European ancestry and you want to be 'Buddhist', that pretty much means you use apple products almost exclusively.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:40:05 2011 No.1971476 >>1971474 I tried this and I usually just get bored and my ass becomes numb after 15 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:40:05 2011 No.1971477 >>1971472 The appeal of Buddhism is the same as that of apple products.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:41:05 2011 No.1971478 >>1971475 >you have European ancestry and you want to be 'Buddhist', that pretty much means you use apple products almost exclusively Anglo Buddhist here, and I laughed hearitly. I hate Apple, btw. >>1971476 Then go do something else instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:42:05 2011 No.1971479 >>1971476 >my ass becomes numb after 15 minutes Are you using a proper zabuton? It helps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:42:05 2011 No.1971480 >>1971478 >Then go do something else instead. But I really want to be enlightened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:43:05 2011 No.1971483 >>1971480 Then go do something else instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:44:05 2011 No.1971484 >>1971423 But every religion came from asia. There is no western religion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:46:05 2011 No.1971487 >>1971484 What about Norse paganism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:48:05 2011 No.1971490 >>1971479 Does a Zafu + Zabuton provide a good back posture etc? I could really see myself reading, playing vidya and watching TV like that if it's actually good for my back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:48:05 2011 No.1971491 >>1971487 Hmm... then i suppose it would be wise to say that all of the most widespread religions in the world are from asia.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:49:05 2011 No.1971493

>>1971484
He means East Asian Religions, I think.

>>1971487
That's just a corruption of some proto-Indo-European people, which is Asian, rather than European. In that sense, Christianity is equally European as Greco-Roman, Celtic, and Norse paganism, they all being corruption of Asian religions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:51:05 2011 No.1971497 >>1971490 Use Apple's Cool Buddha Meditation Zabutons(tm). Word they are fabulous!

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:58:05 2011 No.1971508

>>1971490
If you do it properly, it is good for the chakras.

And by "good for the chakras" I mean "It should theoretically align your internal organs in a manner so as to provide minimal stress on them, allowing your body's muscles to relax and your lungs to achieve a high volume of air intake, which leads to a lower number of breaths per second, decreased heartrate, and an overall increase in relaxation."

Good posture is not necessarily always comfortable, and requires self-discipline more than anything else. It is a good setup for meditation, but for an involved activity like vidya or reading, I'm not sure I can necessarily recommend it.

If you spend time achieving proper back posture while only meditating, you are more likely to end up subconsciously sitting in a manner that enforces good posture while you do other things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:59:05 2011 No.1971509 >>1971508 >lower number of breaths per minute sorry, fixed that for me

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:04:05 2011 No.1971516 File: 236 KB, 1600x1071, 5759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I find it strange people here believe in spirituality

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:04:05 2011 No.1971517 I take it Alan Watts has been mentioned? I love listening to his lectures.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:08:05 2011 No.1971520

>>1971517
Nope, as expected of /lit/ the thread was just overrun by people who want to bitch about religion. Only two people in the thread actually know anything about Buddhism, the rest is just people fighting about Christianity, and one guy who continues to liken Buddhism to Apple because he thinks he's too good to just use the word "weeaboo" like most people on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:10:05 2011 No.1971524 >>1971516 Why? Everyone is spiritual to an extent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:12:05 2011 No.1971525 >>1971520 That's a shame. I thought /lit/ was above the whole hurr durr religion thing. Oh well...

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:14:05 2011 No.1971527

>>1971524
Many people who think that they are intelligent, and who dislike religion, assume that their dislike of religion stems from their own intelligence.

>>1971525
Well to be fair, OP is obviously a fucking moron. You can't expect to get a good thread from when it starts with such a terrible premise. It's not like we're /tg/ or anything.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:14:05 2011 No.1971528

>>1971516
I wish i had a religious affiliation. Nothing fun about being an atheist/agnostic. At least Buddhist and "serious" Christians are happy. I would love to be able to say oh well it's "gods will" whenever i have a shit day and be able to mentally brush everything off. That would be fucking awesome, i want that. Nothing about religions seems logical, but i envy those who truly believe above and beyond all else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:16:05 2011 No.1971531 >>1971528 >I would love to be able to say oh well it's "gods will" whenever i have a shit day and be able to mentally brush everything off. I've yet to meet one Christian who can do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:19:05 2011 No.1971536 >>1971531 Far and few in between nowadays but they're out there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:21:05 2011 No.1971539 >>1971528 >I would love to be able to say oh well it's "gods will" whenever i have a shit day and be able to mentally brush everything off No one does that, brother. You need to step out of the bubble.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:21:05 2011 No.1971540

>>1971528
Not everybody who holds a religious belief is happy.

Happiness is something that a person creates for herself, regardless of what what underlying philosophy she uses as a guide to achieve it.

No offense, but you sound 14. Why would you bring up logic as if it is a barrier to adopting a religious belief? If what you want is to be happy, but you intentionally let a thing like logic hold you back from doing so, well that can hardly be called logical, can it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:25:05 2011 No.1971543 >>1971539 Ned Stark did it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:28:05 2011 No.1971551

>Nothing about religions seems logical,

That's why I think it's so great. I used to despise it for that very reason, but at some point I just switched and decided that anything that ridiculous is absolutely awesome. Of course, this isn't taking into account the damage that does happen when religion is involved...Christianity really is an awful religion, but the ceremony is beautiful, and the hope, however misguided, that is attacthed to it is also very special.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:31:05 2011 No.1971552 >>1971528 >Nothing about religions seems logical, I doubt you'd be able to stand 20 minutes in debate with any Islamic logician, say Imam Ghazali for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:31:05 2011 No.1971553 >>1971540 No way. There's a difference between pretending you believe and actually believing. There is such a thing as blind faith and you can't just wish it upon yourself.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:33:05 2011 No.1971555

Guys, the first rule of Buddhism and the eastern philosophies is that logic doesn't exist. Come off it, don't waste your time applying logic when you should apply soul.

Now, you probably laughed at that: we have been told logic rules, and soul is lame. If you don't get over yourself, you will never understand the east.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:38:05 2011 No.1971560

>>1971555

Alan Watts uses a lot of logic in his lectures. I particularly enjoy it when he disects language and gets to the root of it. He was a very clever man.

One thing I took from him that I consider important is his explanation of faith versus belief. Belief is really hope, it's wishful thinking. The Christian and the atheist both secretly hope they are right, they are gambling. Someone with faith has no hope because they know, everything is as it should be, the universe works things out.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:41:05 2011 No.1971562

>>1971551
>ridiculous is absolutely awesome

I hate surrealist scum.

>>1971555
>the first rule of Buddhism and the eastern philosophies is that logic doesn't exist

Then how are we supposed to interpret that sentence? Apply arbitrary meaning to each of the words? Logic precedes the existence of rules.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:46:05 2011 No.1971571 >>1971562 >I hate surrealist scum And I think people that aim to categorize the universe are ridiculous. Feel free to enjoy the irony in that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:46:05 2011 No.1971572 >>1971562 That's not surrealism at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:52:05 2011 No.1971580 >Sit at the pew next to a quiet & reserved girl whilst praying. Perfect harmony. Religion,fuck yeah. >Forced to repent in the confessional the next day Consequences, fuck yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:00:05 2011 No.1971590 OP, read "Island" by Aldous Huxley

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:07:05 2011 No.1971596 >>1971562 >Logic precedes the existence of rules. What rules? It's the difference between seeking the truth, and seeking the good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:10:05 2011 No.1971602 >>1971596 >the first rule of Buddhism this thread is full of derp.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:12:05 2011 No.1971603 >>1971602 Well, there are actually precepts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:13:05 2011 No.1971605 >>1971602 you can't assume anything is constant and non-contradictory.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:14:05 2011 No.1971606

>>1971602
Isn't is, brother? Yeah, it is. These idiots don't understand that, in Buddhism, there are no rules. What, do they think Buddhism is a religion or something? Pfff! IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU BE TO BE COOL, DUMMIES! Let's not just talk to them, shall we?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:15:05 2011 No.1971608 >>1971605 Anything literally contradictory is, by definition, wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:16:05 2011 No.1971614 >>1971606 Are you implying I'm a buddhist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:18:05 2011 No.1971616 >>1971608 You're placing too much weight on words, it's warping your mind.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:18:05 2011 No.1971617

>Not as a hurr durr my God is glorious religion, but as a spiritual way to improve self control, understanding of myself and the world and attain happiness. Learning to meditate and deal with emotions, etc.

You can do this with Christianity. Just be a Christian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:18:05 2011 No.1971618 >>1971608 The Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao, man. Contradiction is not wrong, it's the nature of things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:20:05 2011 No.1971621 >>1971614 You're not? Why, you don't wanna be cool?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:22:05 2011 No.1971624 >>1971360 OP: Search "Buddhism" on Amazon and read the reviews. >going to 4chan for help with religion...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:24:05 2011 No.1971626 >>1971616 >You're placing too much weight on words, it's warping your mind. Yes, how silly of me to expect that the tools we use to communicate have any actual communicating power. >>1971618 >Contradiction is not wrong 3 < 1 - Buddhism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:26:05 2011 No.1971628 >>1971626 why are you so determined to be right? We're just trying to explain it to you, and you're being so resistant to alternate truths.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:26:06 2011 No.1971630
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>>1971360
>"understanding the world" with buddhism
>mfw

>>1971377
Full retard. You could say the same for Christianity.
This religion is the same shit as the others.
It's just lies and mumbo jumbo, for people to "attain happiness".
They have monks, they have temples, they have dogma, they ask for people to give stuff.
Tss.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:29:05 2011 No.1971633

>>1971630
there is a difference between reading the texts and following the religion. If you read Jesus' sermon on the mount, it teaches a kindness that does not exist in the religion it inspired. If you're prejudice against the source of a religion and the dogmas they inspire, you won't get out of Plato's cave.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:32:05 2011 No.1971638 File: 225 KB, 258x312, laughter9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >religion >understanding the world

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:34:05 2011 No.1971640 >>1971628 If you can't explain it to me within the confines of logic or words, then just say that. It's illogical. It can't be put into words.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:34:05 2011 No.1971641 >>1971384 >except buddhism is about understanding eternal truths in human nature and not aliens. What are humans but aliens from across the street?

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:37:05 2011 No.1971645

>>1971638
The kind of knowledge you get from studies of the metaphysical, political, social and other similar types is highly superior to the kind you get from empirical physical study.

You might realize this once you're not 14 anymore ans stop venerating Dawkins or whomever is your favorite 'popular science' author.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:38:05 2011 No.1971646 File: 9 KB, 250x250, laughter24.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1971645 >metaphysical >highly superior

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:39:05 2011 No.1971648 >>1971640 within your logic and words no, I can't. You need to be open to others' logic and words before you can learn other points of view.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:40:05 2011 No.1971649 >>1971646 Science is beneficial because it gives us fact, but facts alone are meaningless. Humanities gives meaning to those facts, so you shouldn't be laughing at one side of the same coin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:40:05 2011 No.1971650 >>1971645 >The kind of knowledge you get from studies of the metaphysical, political, social and other similar types is highly superior to the kind you get from empirical physical study. Liberal arts major with an inferiority complex detected.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:41:05 2011 No.1971651 >>1971645 >You might realize this once you stop venerating your favorite 'popular science' author. Well of course. Disregard the wise and the morons suddenly seem much brighter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:41:05 2011 No.1971652 >>1971633 Okay, point well taken. I'd have to read the texts to judge if it's a genuine gathering of thoughts or if they're just trying to ensnare people into dogma with a few nuggets of "holy" wisdom; like our good old monotheist religions do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:42:05 2011 No.1971655 File: 93 KB, 410x361, laughter25.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1971649 >thinks humanities is something more than just a fun hobby >like soccer

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:44:05 2011 No.1971657

>>1971648
There isn't more than one kind of logic. There isn't my logic or your logic. Logic is logic is logic. This, thus that. Not this, thus not that. It's not hard. It doesn't come in different flavours.

>>1971649
Why do facts need meaning to matter? They're true, that's all that matters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:44:05 2011 No.1971658 >>1971655 everything boils down to fun, Mr President. Even the sciences, which are for understanding and human survival, are useful to us only in that they allow us to be alive and enjoy life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:45:05 2011 No.1971662 >>1971658 That's quite Zen, not that I could really tell you why, of course.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:45:05 2011 No.1971663 >>1971658 >Science: actually be alive AND happy >Humanities: be happy 2-1 for science, bitches.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:46:05 2011 No.1971664

>>1971650
>>1971646
Modern physical sciences are purely utilitarian in nature. So it'd only make sense to be interested in them if you're willing to make or maintain stuff. Traditional mathematics and physical sciences, on the other hand, are what a man might want to study if he aims for a general understanding of life and the universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:46:05 2011 No.1971665 >>1971657 >There isn't more than one kind of logic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_(philosophy) Yeah, there are.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:47:05 2011 No.1971668
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There's a good book published by Penguin Classics entitled Buddhist Scriptures. Get that.

Also, get The Story of Tibet by Thomas Laird. It's a history of Tibet written based on tons of interviews with the Dalai Lama. It provides great deal of insight into the Tibetan way of Buddhism, and it's an interesting read in general.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:48:05 2011 No.1971671 File: 30 KB, 297x200, laughter32.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1971665 >thinks those are logic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:49:05 2011 No.1971673 >>1971671 Why aren't they?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:51:05 2011 No.1971678 >>1971668 One more thing: I also recommend the Penguin Classics edition of The Dhammapada.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:52:05 2011 No.1971679

>>1971651
If I understand you correctly, I don't think we disagree there. I might differ strongly on most things with such atheists and humanists out there as Rousseau, Montesquieu and Schopenhauer, but I recognize that their ideas were well presented and their arguments strong. These 'popular science' writers, however, are just defecating on their keyboards, and they'll keep doing it as long as 14 years olds keep eating that shit up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:54:05 2011 No.1971683 >>1971665 None of those have anything to do with logic. Actual related articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-valued_logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraconsistent_logic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:55:05 2011 No.1971685 >>1971673 Because they aren't. Why isn't a rock a tree? Because, simply, a rock isn't a tree.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:56:05 2011 No.1971687 >>1971679 Are you sure that you don't dislike modern and mainstream stuff just because they are modern and mainstream? Had Dawkins lived 500 years ago you would probably shit happy classical music out your ass as you read him, am I right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:57:05 2011 No.1971692 File: 6 KB, 363x360, smok.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1971663 >Science + Humanities: be alive and twice as happy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:59:05 2011 No.1971696 >>1971683 thank you for the correction

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 12:59:05 2011 No.1971697 >>1971692 Yay, someone thinks my double-dipping double major isn't a insane.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:00:05 2011 No.1971702 File: 10 KB, 250x360, Goethe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1971692 This is I'm okay with.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:01:05 2011 No.1971703

>>1971687
Not who you're talking to, but:

I don't hate dawkins, but I don't like his tendency to advocate Atheism as a "way of life", or his habit of using "atheism" as a synonym for "good". It's a dogmatizing that's too close to religious for me to be comfortable with. He has some good points, but he sometimes overreacts and runs the risk of the pendulum swinging too far in the opposite direction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:02:05 2011 No.1971705 >>1971692 Confession time. I've been shitting these people here. But I really like humanities too. Science is just more interesting, but I'm happy to enjoy both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:03:05 2011 No.1971706 >>1971703 Now, see kids, that is a respectable disagreement. Make notes.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:03:05 2011 No.1971707
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I found this book helpful, OP. It attempts to tell a story of the progression of eastern philosophy.

http://www.amazon.com/Perennial-Way-Versions-Dhammapada-Ashtavakra/dp/0979963044

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:06:05 2011 No.1971712

>>1971687
Absolutely and completely not. No, nein, non, nahi, la. I really can't see how you would think that. Have you ever compared the guy's writings to any one the names I've mentioned or others similar. His level of reasoning is basically schoolyard, with all the non-witty anecdotes and the the non-funny jokes and the No-U's. For God sake, he state in his God Delusion that he refuse to read theology and then goes ahead and tries to refute a very complex and complicated theological principle (the Kalam cosmological argument). Of course, he ends up making an ass of himself by even failing to understand the argument.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:09:05 2011 No.1971717

>>1971712
Did he try to refute that argument? If I remember correctly, he just basically said "Well, if you think that whatever started the Big Bang was God and that God hasn't affected the world in any other way since then, then off you go. This isn't a book for you and I'm not even trying to have a conversation with you. I have nothing to say to that. It is your opinion and I don't need to refute that, since you didn't make any claims about the natural world."

OUTRAGEOUS Sat Jul 30 13:19:05 2011 No.1971733

My first suggestion would be to read up on the various sects of Buddhist belief and philosophy and see which one works for you. For example, Zen is more contemporary and easy-to-follow and Shingon is more esoteric and ritual-based.

Just realize one of the main things with most types of Buddhism is that "life is suffering." It's not about finding happiness, those monks look at peace because they want to escape the cycle of reincarnation, not because they're content.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:20:05 2011 No.1971738 >>1971712 >nahi, la What languages are these?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:23:05 2011 No.1971745 >>1971738 I believe nahi is Hindi, or so I gathered from the Bollywood crap I'd seen as a kid because of there being one TV in the house. La is Arabic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:31:05 2011 No.1971763 >>1971712 >No, nein, non, nahi, la Spanish/english, german, french, hindu, arabic, that's an interesting progression, was it intentional?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:33:05 2011 No.1971768 >>1971763 What progress are referring to?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:37:05 2011 No.1971773 >>1971763 >non That's Latin as well. I didn't know it was French. >nahi Now if I get into all the other Indian languages that use this word, I could be here all day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:39:05 2011 No.1971776 Following Buddhist principles is a waste of the immense sentience a human has. Buddhism, in its ethics and principles, reduces a human being to a worm (in almost every way).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:43:05 2011 No.1971782 File: 411 KB, 1324x1101, maturity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/devdutt_pattanaik.html This lecture will give you an understanding of where the East is coming from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:56:05 2011 No.1971801 >>1971776 >Buddhism, in its ethics and principles, reduces a human being to a worm What makes you say this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:56:05 2011 No.1971802 >>1971776 Buddhism is about coming to terms with your wormness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:57:05 2011 No.1971804 >>1971802 The West is about denying your wormness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:00:05 2011 No.1971811 >>1971802 Read Prometheus Unbound by Percy Shelley and then tell me about your fucking wormness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:01:05 2011 No.1971812 >>1971804 Stop generalizing. Your desires are about denying your wormness. Greed, self-indulgence, and vanity all contribute to false pleasure that Buddhism denies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:04:05 2011 No.1971820 >>1971377 >cult of personality at its base And who exactly is at it's base? Don't tell me it's Siddhartha, because there are over 100 in legend who have achieved buddhahood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:06:05 2011 No.1971824 Buddhism is about realising your relationship with the universe. Using language to describe it is hard because language is nothing but a symbol. Things have no meaning other than their own existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:09:05 2011 No.1971831 Hi. http://www.budaedu.org/en/ They have FREE books on buddhism. Just find a distributor and tell them you're interested in learning about Buddhism but don't want to go to a temple. Nam Mô A Di Đà Phật.

JamesBond !!JAU/DZkp95n Sat Jul 30 14:10:05 2011 No.1971832
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>>1971820
>there are over 100 in legend who have achieved buddhahood
>buddhahood
>buddha
>You mean the name taken by Gautama? You mean that he actually understood how the world works?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:12:05 2011 No.1971838 >>1971832 Of course not. He understood how human suffering manifested itself and taught that to others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:12:05 2011 No.1971840 OP firstly wait for your balls to drop secondly take some form of Mescalin Lots of it, don't be a pussy You now understand "how the world works" congrats OP now get back to filling out forms and sucking dicks because Capitalism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:15:05 2011 No.1971845 >>1971624 THIS. DO THIS AND DROP THE WHOLE FUCKING SUBJECT.

>>	JamesBond !!JAU/DZkp95n Sat Jul 30 14:16:05 2011 No.1971847 >>1971838 He was full retard. His solution was go give everything up including the joy of life. Nirvana essentially means leaving some retarded cycle of life (wtf) so that soul (gay) can be at 'peace'. Read it up sometime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:18:05 2011 No.1971849 >>1971847 I have read on this and from what I can interpret from the Sutras, he believes that suffering comes from desires that an never be fulfilled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:18:05 2011 No.1971850 >>1971847 I have never seen somebody not understand Buddhism as much as you don't understand Buddhism

>>	JamesBond !!JAU/DZkp95n Sat Jul 30 14:22:05 2011 No.1971862 >>1971850 Whatever dude. Siddhartha was the prototypic hippie. Son of rich parents (prince in fact) who thinks that he has understood all the problems of the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:23:05 2011 No.1971866 >>1971831 Just downloaded a bunch of .pdf files. Hopefully I can read them without killing my eyes. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:24:05 2011 No.1971868 >>1971862 You are right. If Siddhartha was here, he would agree with your criticism on him and use it to better himself.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:29:05 2011 No.1971885
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>>1971360

Get this book, and practice the exercises in it.

This is what monks do on their journey to buddhahood.

Doing these exercises will make you a Buddhist before any books and philosophical reflection.

check out this site, it has a lot of good books.

http://www.shambhala.com/

Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was the only Buddhist author i ever read. He's pretty alright. The Way of The Warrior is what i read, its autobiographical, and it's alright.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QKcyCbFB74&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:33:05 2011 No.1971896 >White hipster pseudo-Buddhist turning to other white hipster pseudo-Buddhists for white hipster pseudo-Buddhist reading recommendations Be sure to read this shit in public so everyone at Starbucks can see how cosmopolitan and 'enlightened' you are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:33:05 2011 No.1971899 >>1971360 Islam is more like Buddhism than the other two, because Islam says that every person can know god on his own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:34:05 2011 No.1971901 >>1971360 >Where should I get started? Not here. Never here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:35:05 2011 No.1971902 >>1971896 did that put down comment make you feel like a big man?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:37:05 2011 No.1971905 >>1971896 You forgot to mention Apple this time, bro.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:37:05 2011 No.1971907
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>>1971801
Well, here we go.
All desire leads to suffering (according to Buddhist doctrine). Their solution to this is to deny themselves as much earthly pleasure as possible, eat shitty food like rotted yak butter, spend long periods of time relaxing and thinking about nothing, and become pacifists and amiable with all living things (due to their believe in reincarnation).
Masochistic much?
Natural selection will stomp out these dumb fucks in no time (it's cruel but it is true), unless a different society that lives by different principles protects them.

Another interesting observation about Buddhism is enlightenment/nirvana. Apparently some scientists did a study and found that monks who reach this stage have an abnormal ability to increase or decrease levels of dopamine in their brain.

That's a brain hack through meditation and programming. By desiring nothing, simply living on minimal subsistence is enough to make them happy.

If that doesn't sound like a worm, I don't know what does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:39:05 2011 No.1971912 >>1971885 >Chi-Gung >Not Qi-Gong wtfareyoudoing.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:40:05 2011 No.1971914 >>1971907 You don't really get Buddhism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:41:05 2011 No.1971916 >>1971914 I totally appreciate how you didn't quote me to prove your statement.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:42:05 2011 No.1971918

>>1971907

>Their solution to this is to deny themselves as much earthly pleasure as possible

That's asceticism. Buddhists do do this, but for very different reasons. They make students do this so that they can come to realise it's impossible to stop desiring. That's it. They could just tell them, but Buddhism is big on experience, unlike you, because you obviously have none.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:43:05 2011 No.1971921 >>1971899 Generally not without the guidance of a legitimate murshid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:43:05 2011 No.1971922 Nagarjuna, just Nagarjuna

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:46:05 2011 No.1971926 >>1971918 Wow, that totally made sense and didn't have a single conveyance of adolescent immaturity.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:48:05 2011 No.1971931

>>1971916
You want me to pick apart your poorly formed arguments? Fine.

>Their solution to this is to deny themselves as much earthly pleasure as possible
Buddhists actually have lots of fun. Most of the priests I have met drink...

>eat shitty food like rotted yak butter
...and most of them don't eat rotted yak butter. Especially the ones who don't live near yaks.

>spend long periods of time relaxing and thinking about nothing
Worms spend a lot of time relaxing?

>become pacifists and amiable with all living things (due to their believe in reincarnation)
I don't think worms are capable of making the choice to be pacifists; also, many Buddhists do not believe in literal reincarnation.

>Natural selection will stomp out these dumb fucks in no time
That's not how natural selection works.

>an abnormal ability to increase or decrease levels of dopamine in their brain
Is this an ability that is commonly found in annelids? I've never read any scientific research discussing it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:50:05 2011 No.1971936
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1) Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

2) One who knows doesn't speak, one who speaks doesn't know.

don't waster you time, get this. Practice it religiously and you'll notice a change within a couple honest sessions of calisthenics; by Bodhidharma himself.

http://zenmirror.blogspot.com/2010/04/bodhi-dharma-action-figure.html

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1570625433/webdetoxcom-20

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:53:05 2011 No.1971938 >>1971907 This guy going to be reborn a worm, calling it now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:53:05 2011 No.1971940 >>1971907 you're an expert theologists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:53:05 2011 No.1971941 >>1971938 I laughed. Thank you.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:54:05 2011 No.1971945

>>1971931
>Buddhist "priests" drinking

Using intoxicants (even if you're a layperson) is explicitly forbidden according to the fifth precept. Claiming to follow a religion and then ignoring its proscriptions or attempting to downplay them with silly modernist interpretations is a hallmark of New Age pseudo-religious crap.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:57:05 2011 No.1971949
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>>1971945

On September 28, 1986, Trungpa, in failing health due to the auto accident in his youth and to years of heavy alcohol use, suffered cardiac arrest,[21] subsequent to which his condition deteriorated further, requiring intensive care at the hospital, then at his home, and finally back at the hospital in mid-March 1987, where he died on April 4 from the effects of cirrhosis of the liver. His wife Diana Mukpo asserted in 2006 that: "Although he had many of the classic health problems that develop from heavy drinking, it was in fact more likely the diabetes and high blood pressure that led to abnormal blood sugar levels and then the cardiac arrest".[22] However, when asked in a November 2008 interview, "What was he ill with? What did he die of?," his doctor Mitchell Levy replied, "He had chronic liver disease related to his alcohol intake over many years."[23] One of his nursing attendants reports that in his last months, he suffered from the classic symptoms of terminal alcoholism and cirrhosis, yet continued drinking heavily. She adds, "At the same time there was a power about him and an equanimity to his presence that was phenomenal, that I don't know how to explain."[24]

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:57:05 2011 No.1971953

>>1971945
>New Age pseudo-religious crap
One of the most famous figures in the history of Zen is well known for his love of drinking and prostitutes, and he lived during the 15th century. That is not what I would consider "new age."

The fact that you think Buddhists don't drink just shows how radically disconnected your ideas of Buddhism are from reality.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:59:05 2011 No.1971960

>>1971931
>Buddhists actually have lots of fun. Most of the priests I have met drink...
A lot of muslims drink (but they aren't supposed to). Some buddhists (probably most), don't adhere to the principles, we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the fundamentalists.

>...and most of them don't eat rotted yak butter. Especially the ones who don't live near yaks.
Again, we are talking about the hardcore monks in Tibet

>Worms spend a lot of time relaxing?
They shuffle around eating crappy food (like buddhist monks), and spend a lot of time being dormant

>I don't think worms are capable of making the choice to be pacifists; also, many Buddhists do not believe in literal reincarnation.
My worm analogy went over your head. Worms are pacifists in that they have no means of seriously defending themselves (like modern day Buddhist monks). (Don't talk about kung-fu monks, a fist cannot beat a bullet)

>That's not how natural selection works.
Seems like you forgot how china annexed Tibet, and who systematically tries to destroy their way of life.

>Is this an ability that is commonly found in annelids? I've never read any scientific research discussing it.
Once again you are taking my analogy too literally. Worms are happy eating shit and doing nothing, just like Buddhist monks.

Buddhist are dogmatic and have "little desire" to progress technologically and intellectually.

They are graceful savages, and I say let them be.
They are an anomaly of our species and interesting to gawk at.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:00:05 2011 No.1971966

>>1971953

花間一壺酒。 A pot of wine, under the flowering trees;
獨酌無相親。 I drink alone, for no friend is near.
舉杯邀明月。 Raising my cup I beckon the bright moon,
對影成三人。 For her, with my shadow, will make three people.

月既不解飲。 The moon, alas, is no drinker of wine;
影徒隨我身。 Listless, my shadow creeps about at my side.
暫伴月將影。 Yet with the moon as friend and the shadow as slave
行樂須及春。 I must make merry before the Spring is spent.

我歌月徘徊。 To the songs I sing the moon flickers her beams;
我舞影零亂。 In the dance I weave my shadow tangles and breaks.
醒時同交歡。 While we were sober, three shared the fun;
醉後各分散。 Now we are drunk, each goes their way.
永結無情遊。 May we long share our eternal friendship,
相期邈雲漢。 And meet at last on the paradise.

[edit]

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:03:05 2011 No.1971970

>>1971960
>Again, we are talking about the hardcore monks in Tibet
No, YOU are talking about them. They are a niche group of practitioners of a huge religion.

If you want to argue about what Tibetan Buddhists do, then you should explicitly say that. They are not the only group of Buddhists in the world.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:04:05 2011 No.1971973

>>1971949

Huh. A guy who rose to prominence in the 20th century, ignored the doctrines of the religion he claimed to follow, smoked, was known to be an alcoholic, taught drunk, renounced his vow of celibacy and fucked (or tried to fuck) a number of female students, was accused by former followers of using massive amounts of cocaine...

Yes, thank you, this is precisely the sort of pseudo-religious bullshit I was talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:04:05 2011 No.1971974 >>1971966 My fucking hero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:04:05 2011 No.1971975 >>1971970 We are talking about Buddhism, it's principles, and those who practice them most devoutly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:09:05 2011 No.1971983 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ5FjM1Ibyo i want to watch this movie now

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:10:05 2011 No.1971988

>>1971975
Stop using the word "we." These are things that you are talking about, and you alone.

The following are all posts in this thread that are talking about non-Tibetan Buddhism.
>>1971966
>>1971953
>>1971936
>>1971885
>>1971868
>>1971862
>>1971838
>>1971832
>>1971820
>>1971733
>>1971560
>>1971517
>>1971474
>>1971465
>>1971404

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:11:05 2011 No.1971991

>>1971966

Is this supposed to be proof of the permissibility of alcohol in Buddhism? This reminds me of pseudo-Sufis who drink and invoke the wine/intoxication poetry of Jalal ud-Din Rumi and Ibn ul-Farid as if those poems are referring to the literal consumption of alcohol...

Refer to this quote of Shaykh ul-Akbar. I'm sure it's just as applicable to Buddhist esotericism.

"We are a group whose works are unlawful to peruse, since the Sufis, one and all, use terms in technical senses by which they intend other than what is customarily meant by their usage among scholars, and those who interpret them according to their usual significance commit unbelief."

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:13:05 2011 No.1971997

>>1971991
No, it's just a great poem from a Zen master.

It's also a reminder that the idiot who is trying to argue against Buddhism using only his superficial knowledge of the prescribed practices doesn't have any real experience with Buddhism; he's trying to claim that "Buddhists are this, and Buddhists are that," but in reality, he's only talking about the hypothetical construction of a Buddhist he has in his head.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:16:05 2011 No.1972005 >>1971988 The damage has been done. Buddhism is not as romantic as some people would like it to be. People who have a fascination with buddhism who weren't born buddhist are just fan boys charmed by the media/society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:17:05 2011 No.1972006 >>1971997 those who know zen will be many, those who practice zen will be few. posting on 4chan boards is the least zen thing you could do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:18:05 2011 No.1972009 >>1972006 But I'm sitting down while I do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:18:05 2011 No.1972011 >>1971988 >Tibetan Buddhism that sounds so dogmatic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:19:05 2011 No.1972013 >>1971988 Tibetan buddhism? The little knowledge I have is on Zen. Care to give a little info on it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:19:05 2011 No.1972016 >>1972009 and through your chakras out of alignment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:22:05 2011 No.1972024 >>1972016 It's true, my chakras are shit right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:22:05 2011 No.1972026 This is the age of the degenerate dharma, the only true path to enlightnement is through the grace of Amita Buddha.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:25:05 2011 No.1972030 >>1971360 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juZxrvc8-A4&NR=1 this is also great, apparently.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:29:05 2011 No.1972040 >>1972026 >the only true path that's so cute.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:32:05 2011 No.1972046 >>1972026 Nope, this is Kali Yuga, baby. We're all fucked.

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