/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19711777]

Have cannabis users made any worthwhile contributions to literature? Do you use? What do you think of those who do?

[Anonymous No.19711789]

>>19711777
No, no, idiots who go stupider by using it.

[Anonymous No.19711797]

Might be easier to just kill myself than quit at this point LMAO

[Anonymous No.19711806]

>>19711797
not funny

[Anonymous No.19711813]

>>19711777
Dudeweed lmao is absolutely detrimental to writing, it turns you into lazy retard fascinated with the most superficial observations. Booze makes you stupider as well, but alcoholism also causes misery, which is essential to high quality fiction.

[Anonymous No.19711816]

>>19711803
Tobacco and coffee are the writer's drugs. One calms you down and causes misery, the other is a stimulant.

[Anonymous No.19711820]

>>19711806
If only I was trying to be

[Anonymous No.19711822]

>>19711816
I deleted the original post because it contained an embarrassing typo, kek

[Anonymous No.19711847]

>>19711777
I don't know, weed's kind of gay. Better to be straight IMO. But, you do you, whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWTuvdL-LQ&list=PL9dk_xtWpAkKs1-EKcvq-nKwdaaS-3czd&index=5

[Anonymous No.19711872]

>>19711797
wtf... quitting weed is ezpz. almost no withdrawal except a few days of less sleep. you need self discipline.

[Anonymous No.19711878]

>>19711789
>>19711813
>>19711847
based

[Anonymous No.19711888]

>>19711813
Fuck, bruh, exactly. Drugs are bad. If you take acid it stays in your spine forever!

You fucking children didn't get these conversations out in middle school?

[Anonymous No.19711893]

>>19711820
well, you typed "LMAO", so yes you were trying. And not funny. btw. You worse than a jew nigger

[Anonymous No.19711909]

>>19711777
>Have cannabis users made any worthwhile contributions to literature?
Not that I'm aware of. I can think of alcoholics, cokeheads, and opiate junkies that have contributed to literature, but I can't think of any stoners.
>Do you use?
No. Schizophrenia runs in my family and drug abuse increases the chance of developing schizophrenia in those that are potentially genetically predisposed to it.
>What do you think of those who do?
I don't think highly of them. Most people who use it are addicted and need it to numb themselves to make it through their monotonous life instead of trying to fix it. Worse yet, they almost always deny being addicted to it despite it being obvious.

[Anonymous No.19711914]

>>19711888
> slays in your spine forever!
LOL it seems that you got lots of "conversations" as a kid,

[Anonymous No.19711916]

[Anonymous No.19711932]

Like anything, it's good in moderation. I tend to use cannabis twice a month during intense editing sessions because it actually helps me concentrate and pay attention to minute details. At the same time though, if I smoked it/ingested it every day I'd be a lazy motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.19711944]

>>19711777

[Anonymous No.19711958]

>>19711909
Thomas Pynchon, Hunter S Thompson, Jack Kerouac, Charles Baudelaire, Allen Ginsberg, and a bunch of others all used cannabis. There is also a lot of speculation that Victorian writers used hashish, but there isn't much concrete evidence

[Anonymous No.19711965]

>>19711958
As I said, I can't think of any cannabis users that have made any worthwhile contributions to literature

[Anonymous No.19711970]

[Anonymous No.19711972]

But when did Pynchon STOP using weed? Did he get what he needed from it to write GR, IV, maybe M&D? Point is: when do you stop?

[Anonymous No.19711975]

>>19711965
Right. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they didn't make any worthwhile contributions to literature. Thompson literally created his own form of journalism, Pynchon spawned all of post-modern American fiction, Kerouac and Ginsberg were the proto-counter culture. But I am sure you know all of that and just wanted to bait me.

[Anonymous No.19711985]

>>19711777
It's already been said, but allegedly Pynchon wrote Gravity's Rainbow entirely on hash which is now accepted in the western canon

[Anonymous No.19711986]

>>19711893
You've never laughed in despair?
Ya, I know. idk what to do about it though

[Anonymous No.19711987]

I stopped smoking weed when it started preventing me from having dreams at night. Fuck that.
Now I dreammaxx instead with cheese, mugwort and supplements

[Anonymous No.19712000]

>>19711777
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_des_Hashischins
Bruh moment

[Anonymous No.19712015]

>>19711970
fuck yeah

[Anonymous No.19712071]

>>19711987
Post supp stack

[Anonymous No.19712082]

>>19712071
From an /x/ post:

1. Iodine tinctures. Nascent, Lugol's, or SSKI. These are for vividity/lucidity.
2. Melatonin. Also for lucidity. However, it comes with a warning. Search for exogenous in the archives. At the same Time, I ran into a guy here who's been using melatonin for 15 years straight with zero ill effects. So maybe it's a 50/50 for now.
3. ZMA. This one is for increasing the vividity of your dreams. Be careful though. Whatever it is that you have on your mind at the moment of falling asleep is what you'll end up dreaming about. So you may wanna avoid any disturbing content around bedtime.
4. Choline bitartrate and magnesium. Same as above, except with zero warnings. Well, save for the magnesium. Magnesium citrate will help make you regular. It'll literally clean out your colon.
5. Calea zacatechichi. This one is for slowing down the passage of Time while you're dreaming. So that way you'll be able to lengthen the duration of your dreams. There might be at least 2 other herbs out there that do the same. However, I'm unable to recall their names.
6. Benadryl. Same as 3 and 4. Except this one comes with a huge warning. It has the capability to plunge your Astral body all the way down to one of the Hell realms. Just like with number 5, it too will induce Time dilation. However, I'm unaware as to the whether the exact mechanism behind it works the same way for both.
7. Galantamine and Huperzine A. 2 examples of lucid dreaming supplements. There's actually a plethora of them out there. Look for the book Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements.
8. Nicotine patches. It's been ages since I learned about this one, but it might be for lucidity. The same goes for LSD.
9. Chantix. For increasing vividity.
10. Meditation. For lucidity. Specifically, zazen, vipassana, and samatha.
11. Dream yoga. Again, for lucidity. Look for the following 2 books. The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep. And the other one is Dream Yoga and the Practice of Natural Light.

I'll also add:
Certain cheeses seem to induce vivid dreams, probably because of tryptophan. Try stilton (or anything blue) and munster.
Mugwort can be either smoked (in a water pipe is nice, good way to taper off weed too since it gives a very slight buzz) or taken in caps.

[Anonymous No.19712089]

microdosing to overcome certain personality traits and chronotypes works well and you deal with the opposite of >>19711987 It's like anti-ritalin that also does the thing it's supposed to.

>>19712082
Nigga just some aged cheddar and a multivitamin and get clean sleep. Seriously stop with the spiderverse diphenhydramine.

[Anonymous No.19712095]

>>19712089
>the opposite of
You mean you get better dreams with weed, or did I misread?
>spiderverse
I'm too pussy to take DPH, this isn't my list. I don't take all of these supplements.

[Anonymous No.19712140]

>>19712082
Jesus dude I'll stick to pot instead of fucking chantix

[Anonymous No.19712141]

>>19712140
It's just a list you don't have to take everything on it
Just cheese and mugwort alone do wonders

[Anonymous No.19712146]

>>19712095
Yeah stay away from that shit. I have allergies and have to twice a year and fuck that. Small dose weed a number of hours before bed and it creates the weed withdrawal effect and you have extra dreams while still sleeping the whole night. Not that nREM is bad but the less afflicted can't stay asleep through REM. You get better dreams you sleep through.

>>19712141
It's a shit list and chamomile isn't nearly as bad for you as those doses of mugwort.

[Anonymous No.19712150]

>>19711777
Baudelaire had an Hashish club. That's the only one I know of for sure, but I suppose most post-modern authors had some relationship with Marijuana at some point.

> bro quitting weed is easy no withdrawal bro it's just discipline
It's never easy when life is shit. The more something ease your pain, the harder it is to quit, and weed is a very big cope for a lot of people

[Anonymous No.19712151]

>>19712146
Mugwort is bad for you?

[Anonymous No.19712163]

>>19712150
cool pic

[Anonymous No.19712166]

>>19712151
Lavender is bad for you.

[Anonymous No.19712171]

>>19712166
I'm talking exclusively Artemisia vulgaris, not lavender

[Anonymous No.19712180]

>have any writers been substance abusers
jeez I dunno OP

[Anonymous No.19712181]

>>19712171
Thujone building up for one. It's something you drink short term.

[Anonymous No.19712190]

>>19712150
>It's never easy when life is shit.
this, physically easy to get off of, but who would want to? Especially if you live in CO or somewhere where you can get it wicked cheap

[Anonymous No.19712193]

>>19712181
I don't make tea with it, I take caps. How frequently should I take it to avoid buildup?

[Anonymous No.19712200]

We wuz drug addicts

[Anonymous No.19712202]

>>19712181
>>19712193
250mg per cap by the way

[Anonymous No.19712209]

>>19712193
>>19712202
A week or two at most. It's like fucking with melatonin and poison at the same time. Dreammaxxing isn't about quantity.

[Anonymous No.19712220]

>>19712209
I just want something that'll reliably make my dreams more vivid and easier to remember. Chamomile is pretty ineffective isn't it? As far as I know chamomile tea just makes falling asleep easier.
What's your opinion on supplements like ZMA, huperzine A, choline and glycine?
>Dreammaxxing isn't about quantity
I know the aim is to be able to get good dreams without substances but I have a long way to go.

[Anonymous No.19712278]

>>19712220
In order:
>regular sleep
>journaling
>a good meal
>living a fulfilling life straddling chaos
>taco bell
>travel
>limited caffeine
>dreamroot aka coleus
>weed, hours before you go to bed
>occult shit
>other
There's a list. Dreams are fed by something and I'd plan a trip somewhere you haven't been if you want the good ones before I'd do anything else.

[Anonymous No.19712296]

>>19712278
Thanks
Frankly the weed thing is weird to me, I used to smoke hours before sleep (usually I'd smoke a bowl at around 6PM and go to sleep at midnight) and it killed my dreams.

[Anonymous No.19712301]

>>19711958
>Charles Baudelaire
Damn..I didn't know europeans even smoked weed back then

[Anonymous No.19712318]

>>19712301
They did a lot it's just that it was considered rather mundane to talk about. Cannabis is rather mundane when it's legal.

[Anonymous No.19712336]

>>19712296
Some benefit from it, some do not. It's a brilliantly shit drug. More often, it is better than an available alternative. In small doses.

[Anonymous No.19712345]

Yes. Call of F. Gardner is basically “Dude weed lmao: the novel”

[Anonymous No.19712352]

>>19712345

[Anonymous No.19712362]

>>19712345
Based

[Anonymous No.19712378]

>>19711777
Infinite Jest is such an obvious stoner novel

[Anonymous No.19712411]

>>19712296
Weed has lots of contradictory effects. When I started taking it again I got incredibly vivid dreams for a few days. After I built a tolerance it stopped them

[Anonymous No.19712456]

>>19711893
"LMAO" LMAO

[Anonymous No.19712457]

>>19712318
I would accept mundaneity :D

[Anonymous No.19712821]

>>19712352
I just read based in a novel. I think I'm gonna finally do it, bros.

[Anonymous No.19712866]

>>19711987
>>19712082
Mugwort is absolutely disgusting. I harvested some local mugwort growing on my uni campus and made it into tea and I wanted to gag. Early sailors in North America used it as a substitute for hops, so it's a very common invasive species. I also despise hops, so it didn't taste any better.

Hardly even dreamt that night, so I drank that shit for nothing.

[Anonymous No.19712929]

>>19711777
no infact we could kill all potheads right now and the world would be improved

[Anonymous No.19712933]

>>19712220
Peppermint tea is a godsend to me. Both relaxing and dream enhancing, go figure. I've always wanted to try sleep deprivation (24-48h) then down a cup of coffee before sleeping, really wonder how caffeine could affect a sleeping brain.

[Anonymous No.19713047]

>>19711847
Nice taste, that's favorite DOOM song and hip-hop album.

[Anonymous No.19713061]

>>19712929
sorry anon =(

[Anonymous No.19713076]

>>19711958
There's a difference between using cannabis and being a dude weed lmao
A toke on a weekend is different from the dude who needs a bong hit to enjoy a meal.

[Anonymous No.19713084]

I've been smoking daily, especially since lockdowns first began. I struggle to find proper incentive to quit, as I have a nice gf, friends, good job lined up after this semester, and am confidently healthy. I frequently study and take exams high, and get good grades. I can't deny I use it to numb occasional feelings of loneliness and depression, but just about every post or article I have read comes from stories like
"I was 300lb fast food worker high school dropout because I smoked weed everyday, I stopped and now have wife and house", which just isn't the case for me.

The main thing is that it might put a cap on some sort of potential I haven't realized. Is there anyone else out there that "does well" with a cannabis addiction that has stopped using, and how did your life change? It may affect me less than others, but I don't want this addiction to persist into my late twenties. I also don't consistently take any other substances, including alcohol and T.

[Anonymous No.19713203]

>>19711777
Pot makes you infertile and unironically gay.

[Anonymous No.19713317]

>>19713203
Thank fuck i were before god got around to either.

[Anonymous No.19713343]

>>19711777
No, no, they are cringe.

[Anonymous No.19713355]

>>19712089
Microdosing weed? How do you mean?

[Anonymous No.19713581]

>>19711970
mira dont miss

[Anonymous No.19714024]

>>19713084
I only started smoking 24/7 during lockdowns when I had fuck all to do. I would binge smoke, quit for a month, then go on a binge again. Now that I'm on a vacation with my mom and my life is not longer shit I don't feel any incentive to smoke. I will smoke some after our vacation just for fun. 99% of the time people get (psychologically) addicted to weed because they have nothing else to do. You can thank the kikes for my (((health))) and (((safety))) when I had to resort to drugs to feel sane.

[Anonymous No.19714034]

>>19713317
Lol have fun being double gay, weedtard

[Anonymous No.19714092]

>>19711777
Nice trips.

I have a beautiful wife (with a science degree + steady job), a solid job, own a home + a cute puppy and have become nearly conversational in a new language over the past year, hope to have our first child thi year. We both smoke every other day for a couple years (gonna stop once we're legit trying).

It's about self-discipline and your shitty stoner friends are weak-minded. It's like the Apostle Paul not recommending marriage but if unable to control some urges. Don't do it if you can't lead a normal life otherwise but it's fucking rules if you can do it and be normal.

[Anonymous No.19714207]

>>19712821
It’s the same book that apparently has Waldun Butterfly and Hiro in it. What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.19714697]

>>19712352
where is this from LMAO

[Anonymous No.19715507]

>>19711909
>can’t drive a fast car
>all fast car drivers are lowlifes
Seething is not a good cope desu.

[Anonymous No.19715528]

I've smoked a fair bit of weed. It's fun but pointless. I probably would've achieved more without it. However if you come off weed after fairly heavy use, you will get the most unreal dreams. Really mindblowing crazy shit. I would wake up every day for a week thinking "god fucking damn"

[Anonymous No.19715535]

>>19711972
I’d say if it’s good for you, keep on. If it’s bad for you, do it less or stop. Like why stop exercising unless there are adverse effects.

[Anonymous No.19716276]

>>19711777
>Have cannabis users made any worthwhile contributions to literature?
Lee Child makes some pretty entertaining genre literature and he is known weed connoisseur.
>Do you use?
Oh boy, yes of course. I vape’em when i got’em. Not yet legal where i come from tho.
>What do you think of those who do?
They are enligtened world citizens.

[Anonymous No.19716297]

>>19713355
Not him but .05 to .075 gram vaped depending on the quality of stuff sends me to super-focused zen-like state for 2-3 hours. Little bit more and the focused state collapses into a stupor. But with a little bit of weed and some coffee i can get a feel of flow like no other 90% of the time. I don’t know if it makes any of what i produce any better but with it i’m in working mood right away instead of hours of preparing and procrastinating and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.19716391]

>>19712345
>>19712352
Wow

[Anonymous No.19716407]

>>19711777
>Hugo, Dumas, Baudelaire, Balzac, Flaubert, Nerval etc...
What is le club des hachichins?

[Anonymous No.19716439]

>>19711970
tf fr fr

[Anonymous No.19716463]

The Bard supposedly smoked hash. Take from that what you will.

[Anonymous No.19716533]

It is as if the words came to you phonetically. There is a self-annexation at issue here. Things find expression in words without first asking permission. This attains to very high spheres. There is a mute password with which certain things now pass through the gates.
But the mood of depression is deepened also. Fear of losing it is simultaneous with its deepening. I am capable of retaining only the emotional atmosphere of the depression, not its contents.
Strong feeling, once again, of being on the sea. The sequence of phases = ocean voyage, life in the cabin. It's quite clear, after all - it is the world seen through glass. A web is being spun now; everything joins together with the black background, as in bad engravings. The whole room is woven in hashish.
[...] Objects thus participate in my depression = annulment of their matter. They become mannequins. Unclothed dress-up dolls, waiting to do my bidding, they stand around in their nakedness, and everything about them teaches a lesson, as with an anatomical model. No, it's like this: they stand there without aura. By virtue of my smile. By virtue of my smile, all things are under glass.

[Anonymous No.19716680]

>>19712345
>Luke says reluctant.
Stopped at first sentence. Unreadable.

[Anonymous No.19716908]

>>19715528
Back when I quit weed (the first time) I was having the craziest dreams I've ever had in my life. It lasted for about a month. Granted I was also taking antidepressants at the time which also really fucked with my psyche.

[Anonymous No.19717017]

>>19711816
You forgot alcohol.

[Anonymous No.19717075]

>>19711777
Shit bait pic

Smoking cannabjs makes you retarded through carbon poisoning. Eat it or vaporize it.

[Anonymous No.19717091]

>>19713047
Cheers.

[Anonymous No.19717203]

>>19711777

[Anonymous No.19717711]

>>19711872
i don't see any point to life if I can't get high.

[Anonymous No.19717808]

I stopped smoking weed 4 months ago and it ruined 4 fucking years of my life. I was literally spending 400 bucks per month on weed. I was mixing weed with tobacoo btw, i got addicted to the mix. I had to stop because weed got me so paranoid that i thought i would become a schizo. I couldn't even handle a social situation once i was smoking, and i was smoking all the time. Not to mention how lazy i became. I was literally unemployed and completely delusional. I stopped listening to music, i stopped reading, going to the gym. Weed became all my fucking life. Fuck weed to be honest.

[Anonymous No.19717829]

>>19717808
Sounds like you might be a retard, many such cases!

[Anonymous No.19717980]

>>19717808
When i start to suspect hidden cameras everywhere, i know to wind down or to take a t-break. It’s too much weed. Or maybe that’s what ”they” would like me to think. . .

[Anonymous No.19717990]

>>19717808
>I was literally spending 400 bucks per month on weed
$400/month is chump change. That said, glad you got healthy.

[Anonymous No.19717999]

>>19717980
>Suspecting hidden cameras everywhere
Lots of that unfortunately being justified in today's day and age.

[Anonymous No.19718008]

>>19711965
Absolutely Based

[Anonymous No.19718049]

>>19717808
>>19717990
Real potheads know how to spend a few hundred bucks on lights and equipment and get it for free.

[Anonymous No.19718148]

>>19716297
That's exactly what I meant. There have been some interesting monographs on the effects of microdosing, Crowley wrote some of the first ones for alcohol and hash. As long as you do it like you said, you avoid a lot of the side effects and gain crazy focus. It's also beneficial to meditation if you find that the body protests and the mind wanders more than usual.

[Anonymous No.19718172]

>>19717808
>mfw i bought a dab cart in july for $35 and it got me stoned until December
really sounds like you're just making up problems, bc i smoked that shit daily and never worried about running out

[Anonymous No.19718742]

I don't remember anything from the past 5 years. Maybe because nothing memorable can happen when you're high 24/7. Also makes you feminine, depressed, delusional. It's great when used in moderation, but I highly suggest anyone who's abusing it to think twice.