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19709564 No.19709564 [Reply] [Original]

>Whatever exists without my knowledge, exists without my consent.

Do you agree with the Judge? Or would disagreeing with his sentiment make you an anti-intellectual?

>> No.19709572

>>19709564
The judge is God. So of course you would be an anti intellectual if you disagreed with the all knowing all present eternal creator of the universe which could never be wrong not ever.
I prefer the interpretation that the Judge is the personification of violence however.

>> No.19709589

>>19709564
Why do McCarthy antagonists always feel like Batman villains but with more euridition?

>> No.19709593

>>19709564
This is called juvenile philosophy

>> No.19709604

give me a context here OP
hard to judge out of it

>> No.19709645

>>19709593
How juvenile? It's a statement that actually bothers me.

>> No.19709673

>>19709564
The statement isn't wrong. In that without knowing a thing, the thing eludes the consequence of your knowledge of it, including your consent to its continued existence. But for me it's more antagonistic. Whatever exists without my knowledge, is possibly playing a cruel trick on me. But that's another idea all together.

I'm not familiar with the character but I don't really think anything needs consent of anything else to exist. A person with that philosophy I would suspect of being anti-intelectual themselves.

>> No.19710255

>>19709673
Well, while the Judge is destructive, he is also very intellectual. I interpreted the quote as the Judge's robotic pursuit of knowledge and mapping the world. So any disagreement with the Judge would be a disagreement with intellectualism.

>> No.19710276

>>19709673
to know, to have a cognisance of; is to conquer.
It simply means u've strive to get the clearest picture so that everything and anything can be predicted.

>> No.19710321
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>And the answer, said the judge. If God meant to interfere in the degeneracy of mankind would he not have done so by now?
This book is the best I've ever read. Nothing competes with the spectacle of horror. I read it on a long train journey and I felt totally immersed in the bleak and murderous life of the Kid. I think it's a very profound book for McCarthy's diligence to history, detailing the savagery of the American expansion westward with the romanticization of criminals that often joins it [even if it is more criticised today]. At times it's more like reading a biography than it is a fictional book, because the Glanton gang really did exist - as did Judge Holden.
Ramble over, yeah, Judge seems to represent some sort of God figure - probably a God of War - possessing supernatural knowledge, seeming all powerful, obsessed with taking notes on his creations [or more accurately his bestowment of consent for their existence]. But as Judge is a real person, he only symbolises this. I read him more as someone who internalized the idea of the Nietzschean Superman - total control of his body and the world around him. There's a line at the end of the book, when the bear is dying on the dance floor, where he compares himself to a beast dominating the world of war and violence. The Judge picked his domain and dominates it. He never sleeps, the Judge. He says he will never die.

>> No.19711791

>>19709564

in terms of Judge, sure, why not. he is obviously a supernatural being or whatever.

in terms of reality, fucking no. why the fuck would anything require your consent to exist? do tell.

>> No.19711798

>>19711791
Your offspring?

>> No.19711830

>>19711798

so you get a chick preggo by accident. you don't want the child. she decides to keep it and does so. gives birth.

now you have an offspring that exists without your consent.

this, of course, wouldn't apply if you are a chick and decide to get an abortion, but let's be real; we are on /lit/ discussing a McCarthy book. you are not a chick.

>> No.19711837

>>19709564
Quantum Thermodynamics exists without my consent.

>> No.19712035
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>> No.19712048

>>19709589
He reminds me of Fisk, but with an undergrad degree in philosophy

>> No.19712079

>>19709564
You can't agree or disagree with the Judge, these quotes are supposed to make you realize he's not a normal person, but in fact some sort of entity, most likely God or civilization

>> No.19712098

>>19709593
This.

>> No.19713002

>>19709564
It's true in a technical sense. You can't consent to something without knowledge of it.

>> No.19713011

>>19711830
>now you have an offspring that exists without your consent.
Having sex is consent to conception.

>> No.19713155

>>19713002
Yes and how do you respond to that fact?

>> No.19713159

>>19713155
Respond to what? You're not special. Things don't need your consent to exist. The existence of other things does not depend upon your consent. What's the big issue here?

>> No.19713165

>>19713159
Respond to the fact that there are things you do not know. Do you act like the Judge in a relentless destructive pursuit of knowledge?

>> No.19713179

>>19713165
I don't run around killing people and little puppies for no reason like the Judge did. I search for knowledge in things that interest me. I don't need to know the action of every single atom at every single moment in order not to sperg out.

>> No.19713186

>>19713179
>I don't need to know the action of every single atom at every single moment in order not to sperg out.

And my concern is that this is an anti-intellectual stance.

>> No.19713225

>>19713186
Only God is omniscient. We are limited in what we can know. It's not anti-intellectual to live by these limitations.

>> No.19713254

>>19709564
The Judge is the personification of evil.

>> No.19713563

>>19713179
>>19713186
shut up SHut up SHUT up SHUT UP!! Pseuds! Fucking pseuds! PSEUDS!

>> No.19714267
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>>19709572
the judge is Milton's Satan

>> No.19714378

>>19709564
>Things exist but me. Boo hoo!

>> No.19714388

>>19714267
He is very much not Milton's Satan.

>> No.19714391

>>19709589
Damn. They should make him write the next Batflex movie. Snyder directing of course. McCarthy would write the best Joker ever. He would be so fucking crazy.

>> No.19714393

>>19709589
I find comic book supervillains to be more interesting and nuanced than their hero counterparts. The villains tend to have well thought out reasons to oppose the status quo, while the heroes are are super zogbots who fight for their elite and Israeli masters because muh america.

>> No.19714402

>>19714388
nah bro he is

>> No.19714403

>>19714267
Who’s Milton

>> No.19714407

>>19714393
Says a lot about society horn dogging capeshit as much as they do hein

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>Whatever exists without my knowledge, exists without my consent.

>> No.19714445

These anonymous creatures, he said, may seem little or nothing in the world.

>> No.19714461

>>19714267
Yes they even have a similar speech when addressing their underlings
https://openmedia.yale.edu/projects/iphone/departments/engl/engl291/transcript17.html

>> No.19714476

>>19714407
I look at these superheroes as symbols of globohomo and western imperialism now than as actual heroes from my childhood. I know these sorts of comic books had roots as propaganda during the Cold War, but it's interesting that they are still imperialist despite all the wokeism being pumped into capeshit.

>> No.19714479

>>19709564
>twitter buzzwords

>> No.19714489

>>19714476
Wokeism is imperialism, retard. America has always been shit at military imperialism. How many wars have you won after WWII? How many colonies have you had? America's real power is its soft power. Through media you tell your colonies what is good and what is evil. And the genius of it is that everyone think they are somehow resisting America's imperialism by being a more cucked version of the democrat party.

>> No.19714560

>>19714461
>>19714402
The canon/gun powder scene is an allusion to Satan, but it does not account for the fact that they diverge in pretty radical ways.
Milton's Satan is an interesting rendition of The Devil because Milton puts effort into humanizing him. His portrayal of the Devil is weirdly sympathetic. McCarthy on the other hand stresses on the inhumanity of The Judge. There is another similarity in their inclination to speeches, until you focus on the context of their speeches. It feels as if The Judge is consciously satirizing Satan. How to reconcile these strands? They don't. This is what the female professor calls revision, but it is not revision (I have watched the lectures on youtube. It's surprising how little of it is anything concrete). This is something McCarthy does a lot, populating his books with allusions and symbolism that leads nowhere definite. The book study on his influences: 'Books are made out of books', by Lynn Crews asserts similarly, that figuring out the references in McCarthy's novels is already a task, but it is further complicated by the fact that he is almost never thematically interested in these allusions.

TL;DR The Judge is not Satan. He is an enigma, as he was meant to be, and not much of anything else.

>> No.19714571

>>19711791
This
The quote makes perfect sense in context and absolutely none out of it, I’m not sure why op made this thread

>> No.19714584

>>19714560
ok

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>>19714584
Mention not.

>> No.19714623

Is he God?
Or is he mad that he isn't God?

>> No.19714699
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>>19714560
Well another clue that the Judge is Satan is that Judge always makes offers of money to the kid and others, like the 500 dollars for the gun and with Toad vine and the hallucination of coin maker was with the Judge on pg 323. The Bible says money is the root of all evil, so it would makes sense that Satan would be beside the moneyer. That and the with the allusion to paradise lost. Also the ending where he says he will never die. Satan believes he can defeat God and he will never die.

>> No.19714705

>>19714699
*the love of money is the root of all evil*

>> No.19714716

>>19714699
Bible's Satan is different from Milton's Satan.

>> No.19714719
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>>19709564
>>Whatever exists without my knowledge, exists without my consent.

Said every woman, ever.

>> No.19714723

>>19709564
Yeah, basically the Judge symbolizes the American security state (controlled by capitalist oligarchs) avant la lettre.

>> No.19714794

>>19714699
The problem is that it is The Kid's dream unlike the narration in the rest of the novel (I am aware of the ambiguity of BM's narrator, but still). Can it really be taken as a sure symbol of his identity?

>> No.19714818

>>19714794
Not for sure maybe, but Judge is a genius who has a great amount of knowledge and cunning who can play music expertly (Satan is a master musician) and rapes and murders children (what's more Satanic than that?). I think in one of his speeches he tries to convince the gang that God doesn't exist, something Satan would do. And he doesn't even age at all. For me at least there's a lot signals that point to him being Satan.

>> No.19716048

>>19709564
is he really supposed to be YHVH?

>> No.19716165

>>19709589
I absolutely loathe capeshit, but they wouldn't ever let McCarthy do Batmeme because
1. if he did it would be like TDK all over again and any attempt to milk the franchise after it would make the studios look bad
2. Capeshitters are mentally handicapped and if Batmeme did anything remotely above or below avg moral conscience they would erupt

>> No.19716406

>>19714699
I think you are reading too much into that connection. I said nothing there (this book requires reading too much) so let me elaborate: Judge's connection with the coin forger can't imply his Devilry by the way of Bible in the same way not every greedy merchant from every story does. The connection is too loose. Let me quote the entire passage.
>In that sleep and in sleeps to follow the judge did visit. Who would come other? A great shambling mutant, silent and serene. Whatever his antecedents he was something wholly other than their sum, nor was there system by which to divide him back into his origins for he would not go. Whoever would seek out his history through what unraveling of loins and ledgerbooks must stand at last darkened and dumb at the shore of a void without terminus or origin and whatever science he might bring to bear upon the dusty primal matter blowing down out of the millennia will discover no trace of any ultimate atavistic egg by which to reckon his commencing. In the white and empty room he stood in his bespoken suit with his hat in his hand and he peered down with his small and lashless pig’s eyes wherein this child just sixteen years on earth could read whole bodies of decisions not accountable to the courts of men and he saw his own name which nowhere else could he have ciphered out at all logged into the records as a thing already accomplished, a traveler known in jurisdictions existing only in the claims of certain pensioners or on old dated maps.

>In his delirium he ransacked the linens of his pallet for arms but there were none. The judge smiled. The fool was no longer there but another man and this other man he could never see in his entirety but he seemed an artisan and a worker in metal. The judge enshadowed him where he crouched at his trade but he was a coldforger who worked with hammer and die, perhaps under some indictment and an exile from men’s fires, hammering out like his own conjectural destiny all through the night of his becoming some coinage for a dawn that would not be. It is this false moneyer with his gravers and burins who seeks favor with the judge and he is at contriving from cold slag brute in the crucible a face that will pass, an image that will render this residual specie current in the markets where men barter. Of this is the judge judge and the night does not end.
There are many issues here. First of all, coining needs the metal to be annealed for the metal to soften so that it can be cold forged. The narrator seems to imply that the cold forger has no access to fire and must be working crudely with his instruments. Another issue, the term false moneyer and "making a face that passes" seem to suggest that the forger is a counterfeiter and not a true coiner. If we follow from what you say of money, the cold forger is not the source of World's evil.
(1/2)

>> No.19716412

>>19714699
(2/2)

He is only counterfeiting the true money whose desire is the biblical root of evil. The subsequent conclusion would be that The Judge...is a counterfeit of Satan? A fraud who is only acting the part? It's an interesting premise ngl. The biggest problem is that it is a dream and its credibility is questionable; a task made still harder by the objective but curiously compromised narrator of the book.

>> No.19716520

>>19714393
>I find comic book supervillains to be more interesting and nuanced than their hero counterparts.
Most Spider-Man villains are "guy with an animal or matter gimmick that robs banks"

Electricity-Man!
Sand-Man!
Scorpion-Man!
Octopus-Man!
Water-Man!
Electric-Shock-Man!
Goblin-Man!
Spiderman-but-black!

>> No.19716522

>>19709564
I exist due to the consent of all else, without reversing the chain of command I cannot consent to the existence of all else as all else pre-eminenates me.

>> No.19716529

>>19709564
>disagreeing with *opinion* make you an anti-intellectual?
What??

>> No.19716532

>>19709564
Damn this boy needs a salvia concentrate stat. Imagine thinking you have to consent to anything. You can be mind raped at any moment and you gotta relax your asshole when it happens or it'll tear.

>> No.19717542

>>19714560
Well said

>> No.19717857

>>19716412
As well as the other anon pointing out, Mccarthy’s allusions essentially trailing off.
Perhaps when literature is taken too literally, what are basically allegories are inferred.

>> No.19717864

>>19709572

>> No.19718242

>>19710321
nice pic.
Who's the artist?

>> No.19718468

>>19710321
This doesn’t capture the horror of the final scene. The whores hiking the fiddlers grinning hideously all the degenerates together in their covenant with evil whether they know it, know it not or even care.

>> No.19718510

>>19709593
SHOTS FIRED!

>> No.19718637

Everyone talks about the kid ending but not about the real ending , the epilogue. What is the epilogue supposed to mean?

>> No.19718934

>>19709572
The Judge is Prometheus, first found on top of a rock in the desert, as he brings the knowledge of fire (gunpowder) to mankind

>> No.19718945

>>19718934
But wasn't Prometheus supposed to be a good guy? The Judge is evil as fuck. He kills children and puppies.

>> No.19719032

>>19716529
Disagreeing with the relentless pursuit of knowledge.

>> No.19719236

>>19718945
Did the Greeks even consider Prometheus a good guy? He rebelled against Zeus after all.

The Judge could be a metaphor for man's rebellion of God by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

>> No.19719259

>>19714560
Are you that Anon who recommended me to examine those Goya pictures to help understand McCarthy better? If so, I've thought a lot about what you've said and thank you for the insight.
I was reading Jung recently, and this also sort of smacks of that saying he finds himself repeating in examining his patients dream's, something like: "let's focus on the dream." something about Jung trying his best to avoid free association, or having the patient make his own interpretation of the dream. The example used involves a man seeing a drunken woman in the dream who resembles his wife, but he dismisses the dream as a farse because it is clearly not how his wife is - his associating the dream with his wife inhibits him from gaining a deeper understanding. Could it be said that McCarthy's work is the same, only applied to fiction? Rather than focus on say, the association of things with war, he focuses instead on rendering details, feelings, and sensations that come with war, focuses on the raw images and emotions rather than any man's perception of war as a thing - perhaps man's perception is another kind of dream altogether.

>> No.19719549

>>19718637
I'd like to know too. I took the holes as fence posts about to be placed between the US/Mex border. But the fires confused me. Might be some esoteric reference only some will get.

>> No.19719881

>>19714623
>Or is he mad that he isn't God?
yes thats why he's Milton's Satan

>> No.19719954

>>19719259
>Could it be said that McCarthy's work is the same, only applied to fiction? Rather than focus on say, the association of things with war, he focuses instead on rendering details, feelings, and sensations that come with war, focuses on the raw images and emotions rather than any man's perception of war as a thing - perhaps man's perception is another kind of dream altogether.
I think you have it right. McCarthy is pretty radically against metaphysical interpretations of phenomena. In Blood Meridian, Border trilogy etc. He is deconstructing man's most deeply ingrained beliefs. I would recommend the book: Cormac McCarthy and the ethics of reading, the book gives great insight into how McCarthy uses figuees of speech to achieve what he does. It gets to things that are so obvious but still invisible to the reader while reading his works.
It is said about Blood Meridian that it is designed to elude interpretation, and I think some of that is because Mccarthy is emptying out the symbols from their meanings, or asserting suggestions on the texts that become highly contradictory and disjointed as the book unravels. It is very much like dreams where multiple symbols cascade together but not one of them makes definitive sense. Cmac is an artist however and it is more interesting to see how he achieves the effect in different ways; for example Outer Dark is much more Jungian in its imagery with less/almost none of the narratological tricks. Blood Meridian on the other hand thrives on it.

>> No.19719956

>>19709564
the judge is ebil

>> No.19720459

>>19714420
Kek

>> No.19720579

>>19720459
It's even funnier the third time.

>> No.19721285

Prometheus

>> No.19721290

>>19709564
A lot of things that exist within my knowledge exist without my consent already so why would I care about what isn't on my mind yet.

>> No.19721298

>>19714403
Guy who work's at the local Wendy's. When he gets high off corn syrup he envisions Satan as a large bald grinning man who speaks Dutch

>> No.19721313

>>19714420
this is the correct image

>> No.19721325

>>19709564
>>Whatever exists without my knowledge, exists without my consent.
everything in your knowledge also "exists" without your consent.

>> No.19721467

>>19709564
If we are to assume that the "thing" in question has been there since time immemorial then it doesn't need your consent. It's your task to learn about it.
I mean, who are even you to demand consent? That's just some edgy pseudo-philodophical crap.

>> No.19721505

>>19721325
If we both were in the middle of the desert trust me that you would only be left alive if I allowed it.

>> No.19721940

>>19721467
>It's your task to learn about it.
Yes, that is the end conclusion from the line of thought. Why else would you want to discover the unknown unless you wanted to remove it of its unknown status?

>> No.19722057

>>19709564
Knowledge to the Judge is just a tool for domination (The freedom of birds is an insult to me). On p.154 (I have the ugly edition):
>For whoever makes a shelter of reeds... will subside back into the primal mud with scarcely a cry. But who builds in stone seeks to alter the structure of the Universe.
And on the same page as the consent quote:
>that man who sets himself the task of singling out the thread of order from the tapestry... will effect a way to dictate the terms of his own fate.
The Judge doesn't care for intellectual pursuits themselves. He's concerned with imposing his will on the world and having it last. On p.263:
>The argument is indeed trivial, but not so the separate wills thereby made manifest.
The side that's in the wrong may well triumph, because History doesn't deal in right and wrong, only in the objectivity of life/death, winners/losers.
So the quote shouldn't be taken out of context. It's part of an argument that men can only live on their own terms after they've made all else on the face on the world submit to their will.
>Do I agree with him, tho
I'm happy to go back to the primal mud. Vanity of vanities etc.

>> No.19722128

>>19722057
Thank you for your in-depth response. I really appreciate it.

>The Judge doesn't care for intellectual pursuits themselves. He's concerned with imposing his will on the world
The point I took away from it is that any form of intellectual pursuit is an imposition of the will on the world. As represented through the Judge's non-consent of the unknown, the two ideas cannot be separated. The Judge's pursuit of knowledge is a form of knowledge as violence.

>I'm happy to go back to the primal mud. Vanity of vanities etc.
I feel the same even if it is an anti-civilizational and anti-intellectual stance.

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>>19709564
>Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.

>The freedom of birds is an insult to me. I'd have them all in zoos

> War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

>War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.

>> No.19722834

>>19719236
That would make him Milton's Satan which he has aspects of but is less mopey and more pure evil

>> No.19723949

>>19722834
Might be true, Milton poster.

>> No.19724560

>>19722209
I can simultaneously see how cringe and how based these quotes are but I tend towards seeing them as based

>> No.19724579

>>19709564
that's true by definition. You have to know about something first in order to consent to that thing. So obviously everything that he does not know about, he has not consented to.

what's the point in even asking a question so obvious?

and what's wrong with the fucking retards in this thread acting like the quote is incorrect?

>> No.19724606

>>19713011
Lmao

>> No.19724708

>>19724579
You know you can consent to not knowing things, right?

A missing subtext that wasn't put in the OP is that the Judge will take the necessary actions to make the unknown into the known. His non-consent of the unknown leads to him taking action (acquiring knowledge of the world). However, I think that this is implied in the quote even without knowing the Judge's character.

The point of the thread is whether or not resignation to the unknown instead of a pursuit of knowledge is anti-intellectual. (I.e. do you agree with the Judge's statement or not?)

>> No.19724993

>>19709564
He's not speaking from a human perspective so it's a pointless question and a meaningless answer.

>> No.19725888

>>19714420
Judgebros...

>> No.19725978

>>19719954
So, the novel's just a Rorschach test, and we're ascribing our own meanings to it?

>> No.19726123

>>19725978
I think the narrator is consciously fucking with our manner of interpretation. Repeatedly ladening imagery with suggestions that are scattered and often contradictory in the way of a narrative. McCarthy uses analogical similes in this book more than any other of his (ex: 'like some' then something crazy), he unprecedentedly shifts register to bring attention to something. That's how he maintains the discourse. You can't simply keep describing the desert and keep the book interesting. This manner of narration keeps the reader uncertain and a well-read reader's mind will be bursting with ideas called upon by various descriptions (and it evidently does, judging by the mountain pile of critical analysis given to it). But the book doesn't yield to a perfectly defined shape.

I don't know what McCarthy's intent with all this is, but I can guess he might be bringing attention to the fact that the world even at its most primal is far too complex and rich to fit into a neat definable narrative, Borges also felt that way and he is one of CM's favorites; see 'the yellow rose'. By consciously making the task of interpretation impossible he is demonstrating that view, afterall what other book aggrandizes the natural world more than BM does? Finally, it could also mean that what we see in it is what we have put there ourselves. Judge's discourse on science is the most important one imo. The book seems to be arguing against the unverifiable and theoretical by its manner of storytelling. It would certainly explain the level of autistic detail CM goes into describing the action of the characters (instead of the mind because that'd be speculative on the writer's part) and into even more autistic detail to keep the facts of history of the gang and their trail accurate.

That's what I think. Rorschach test is a good metaphor. But the test is dishonest in that the examiner has tinkered with it.

>> No.19726505

>>19721505
if you kill me and burn my corpse i would still exist in some form, most importantly in your memory

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pic related, it's apparently John Glanton [according to some article]

>>19718468
Yeah this is a good way to capture it, the people in the bar truly are reprehensible. Reminds me of Carl Schmitt saying something like authority is the sole determinant of law. In BM's case, power determining moral right. The land they live in really has no law and even those inclining towards morality like the Kid does remain carnal murderers, like when the Kid murders that boy who confronts him towards the end of the book. These people aren't desperate for violence, most of them are just drunk or psychotic. But there's very little in them, and no good whatsoever. Life and death are a joke to them because they've lived hard lives and life has been hard to them. I like that. Feels compelling. Most of all, it feels realistic. People in the past truly were hard, violent, and unreasonable - because they lived in times that were hard, violent, and unreasonable. All of these men are terrible because their world is terrible, it just happens to be that there's something more terrible in the Judge. Which is all the more horrifying because the Judge has no history. Even sparingly, we learn about most of the gang member's backstories: ex-military (Glanton), ex-priest (the priest), convicted criminal (Toadvine's branding, HT meaning horse thief and F meaning felon), pretty sure there's an ex-slave in there somewhere too.
>>19718242
honestly no idea just found it on google

>> No.19726722

The Judge is an Archon and the figure in the epilogue is the Kristos/True God. Change my mind. You can't.

>> No.19726728 [DELETED] 

>>19709564
Isn't that the Judge basically the spirit of 4chan:

"4chan is all about mind control, the embryonic marginals of society become entrapped there, pupate and ultimately emerge as "soldiers of 4chan," i.e. mind controlled psychotics; it works by the principle of reflexive (or mirror) mind control, whereby the subject subconsciously learns to brainwash himself (yes, it's almost always a "he"), by repetitive, ritualized interactions with images (usually shock pornography or graphic violence) coupled with absurdist/fascistic slogans resulting in acute adreno-dopaminergic arousal and addiction, followed by tolerance, to same; the ultimate consequence of which can be fruition and externalization of mind-controlled rage fantasies, which are themselves purely real-life replays of the selfsame encoded violence they had unguardedly and unawarely been surrendering themselves to over a period of months, in some cases even years, through the mechanism of 4chan's mind control image-centered gestational framework. In short, 4chan is a forge for violently active insanity."

>> No.19726731

>>19709564
Isn't that the Judge basically the spirit of 4chan:

>4chan is all about mind control, the embryonic marginals of society become entrapped there, pupate and ultimately emerge as "soldiers of 4chan," i.e. mind controlled psychotics; it works by the principle of reflexive (or mirror) mind control, whereby the subject subconsciously learns to brainwash himself (yes, it's almost always a "he"), by repetitive, ritualized interactions with images (usually shock pornography or graphic violence) coupled with absurdist/fascistic slogans resulting in acute adreno-dopaminergic arousal and addiction, followed by tolerance, to same; the ultimate consequence of which can be fruition and externalization of mind-controlled rage fantasies, which are themselves purely real-life replays of the selfsame encoded violence they had unguardedly and unawarely been surrendering themselves to over a period of months, in some cases even years, through the mechanism of 4chan's mind control image-centered gestational framework. In short, 4chan is a forge for violently active insanity.

>> No.19727292

>>19726731
where did you find that quote.

>> No.19727428

>>19709564

>this is a deep thought

whoever farts without my knowledge, does so without my consent

>> No.19727562

>>19726123
What do you think of the scene where Glanton's inner world is described? If you agree that it is his inner world described. I can't find it, but I mean the scene towards the end where it mentions him living to his fullest every hour.

>> No.19727565

>>19726712
He's awfully handsome I do declare o///o

>> No.19727583

>>19727428
apparently my glorious member is having nonconsensual relations with him as we speak.

>> No.19727647

>>19711798
>>19711830
Not a single thing is birthed into wretched existence with its consent. We are all forcibly bestowed with the most egregious injustice before taking our first breath. Humans are born into the most deepest resentment imaginable, and so we are doomed to always live through horrors both collective and personal while we have to ride along the material plane. No true happiness could ever blossom in a life birthed from betrayal.