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19709338 No.19709338 [Reply] [Original]

Reminder that philosophy is a middle eastern Semitic invention, not a Greek or an European one.

> The historian Herodotos of Halikarnassos (lived c. 484 – c.425 BCE) describes Thales of Miletos (lived c. 625 – c. 545 BCE), who is traditionally said to have been the first Greek philosopher, in his book The Histories 1.170.3, saying that he was “τὸ ἀνέκαθεν γένος … Φοίνικος,” which means “by descent, the nation of the Phoenician.”

>> No.19709362

Christianity is philosophy for the masses. And philosophy is Christianity for the academic elite.

>> No.19709372

>>19709338
Phoenicians aren't semites you retard they're med. And they shared the same sphere at this point anyway. You are trying to associate it with Abrahamic religions but they did not yet exist and they did not become intellectually legitimate/meaningful until absorbing the Greeks and others hundreds of years after their retard deathcult fanatics phase and in the case of Islam their opportunistic warlords phase.

>> No.19709380

>>19709362
I don’t see what Christianity has to do with the founder of philosophy being a Phoenician

>> No.19709422

>>19709372
They were literally Semites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_language

>> No.19709441

>>19709362
>And philosophy is Christianity for the academic elite.
pseud. ywnbaa

>> No.19709467

>>19709338
everybody knows that... the argument that philosophy started in the "west" rests on the concept that (systematic) philosophy started with socrates/plato

>> No.19709476

>>19709467
>the concept that (systematic) philosophy started with socrates/plato
Which is false.

>> No.19709478

>>19709338
Herodotus, writing in the fifth century BC, described Thales as "a Phoenician by remote descent". However, the probability is that he was as Greek as most Milesians since his ancestors were Cadmeians from Boeotia and not Semites

Facts: Checked
Record: Corrected

>> No.19709925

>>19709338
Ανέκαθεν γένος. Remote descent. Are you gonna say Agamemnon and Menelaus were Anatolian?

>> No.19709957

>>19709338
This is why you're an amateur and you will stay as an amateur. You selectively chose reports that suit your narrative, took them to be true without reasoning about the probability of them, and then ignored reports that state the contrary.

>> No.19710347

>>19709478
>>19709925

One drop rule. He was Semitic.

>> No.19710352

>not a greek invention
>"the first greek philosopher"

>> No.19710376

>>19709372
1. Med isn't an ethnicity you pol fag
2. Christianity didn't absorb the Greeks, the Greeks absorbed Christianity and made it palatale for the Romans
3. Jews are Semites but not all Semites are Jews; your antisemitism is literally making you retarded.
4. I'm not a Christian, but Christianity is not a death cult; Nietzsche was larping when he wrote that.
5. Abrahamic religions are not as monolithic as you "think" (as you read somewhere)

>> No.19710596

>>19709338
philosophy isn't invented, it's discovered

>> No.19710666

>>19709338
thales wasn't a philosopher

>> No.19711829

>>19709467
systematic philosophy can be said to have started with some of the presocratics and the sramana
>>19709957
you're gonna have a great time here, friend
>>19710352
he was contemporary with the indian schools that reacted to the dominance of brahmanism
>>19710596
splitting hairs, the same can be said for scientific methods, then
>>19710666
i'd say that his reasoning was sufficiently detached from myth and sufficiently systematic (this is sort of a difficult point as the phenotype of the work is determined by survivorship and indirect quotes) to be considered philosophic

>> No.19711859

Well philosophy started with Plato so what are you saying?