/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19688032]

Any books that might help in investigating the causes of autogynophilia?

These don't have to be necessarily focusd on AGP itself; other books on fetishes and sexuality will likely be useful. For example, I imagine some of Lacan's theory of desire might be useful for explaining the origins of erotic target location error.

[Anonymous No.19688042]

Self-hate combined with extreme sexual-desire that manifests as wanting to both be something you admire and wish to fuck.

[Anonymous No.19688044]

>>19688042
this + autistic spectrum disorder

[Anonymous No.19688065]

[Anonymous No.19688160]

>>19688032
A bit more on the /sci/ side, but IIRC Blanchard's the one that started the whole talk on AGP and theorized that there are two types of transsexuals, homosexual as opposed to AGP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology

I can say that if someone's ever showed a hint of wanting to cross dress in a leftist town or otherwise leftist gathering place, a bunch of people will come out of the woodwork demanding that "they have a woman inside" and that they need to "treat their 'dysphoria'" using hormones and surgery, and if they don't buy that story about their own identity then they're simply lying to themselves, because obviously these people know better about their own identities than they do. It's more of a social capital, manipulative, kool-aid type of thing than it is an identity thing. Many therapists and counselors are to blame, despite their empty claims to objective neutrality.

Oh, and also a case study has shown that around the age of puberty, if a young man doesn't have luck with the ladies, avoids homosexual encounters, and has an autoerotic experience with clothing from the opposite sex, that's generally how that whole thing gets started. Can't find it right now, sorry.

[Anonymous No.19688318]

>>19688160
>if a young man doesn't have luck with the ladies, avoids homosexual encounters, and has an autoerotic experience with clothing from the opposite sex, that's generally how that whole thing gets started
phew... good thing I started with the Greeks and had homosexual encounters. that way I became "just" a bisexual misogynist instead of a tranny

[Anonymous No.19688343]

>>19688318
I don't know what the point of this post is. You just like fucking dudes or something?

[Anonymous No.19688367]

>>19688343
>You just like fucking dudes or something?
When I have no access to human female pussy, yes.

[Anonymous No.19688381]

>>19688367
Alright, well you have fun with that.

[Anonymous No.19688391]

>>19688032
Apparently women (excluding trans women) are way less likely to develop paraphilias than men. There’s also a significant association between having autism and being trans

[Anonymous No.19688411]

>>19688032
>coming up with all these schizo terms and theories instead of following the money
Trannies exist because the US medical industry has a surplus of cosmetic surgeons and an insatiable hunger for profit, it's that simple.

[Anonymous No.19689574]

>>19688411
That term refers to the fetish a man can have for imagining himself as a woman. Many non trannies have it, it’s one of the most common fetishes in straight men.

The Man who would be Queen comes to mind, OP

[Anonymous No.19689578]

>>19688391
Testosterone vectors fetishism, which is why many bodybuilders or guys who go on steroids only increase their autogynephilia seemingly paradoxically.

Can’t remember what book that can be sourced in… I’ll have to dig for OP because I know there are a few AGP texts

[Anonymous No.19689591]

>>19688032
Porn addiction, they've turned themselves into coomer Turing Machines unawares.

[Anonymous No.19689608]

>>19688367
Based

[Anonymous No.19689616]

coding turns people into trannies

[Anonymous No.19689655]

IIRC brain scan studies have shown that AGP's have brains that differ from all other groups in ways that aren't associated with sex differences
Personally I think it's caused by some kind of prenatal hormone exposure but not in the same way that homosexuals/bisexuals and true transexuals have it
I've been AGP since I was 7 years old and it certainly seems natural to me, Ray Blanchard the person who formulated the typology we talk about today doesn't believe that autogynephilia can be caused by porn addiction
For the AGP their awareness of their AGP typically forms from watching kids cartoons involving crossdressing or gender swapping, the AGP was already there but seeing it on screen is basically what activates it

[Anonymous No.19689671]

>>19688032
Autogynephilia is just female sexuality. Even "cis" women are AGP.
Male sexuality is very externalised and focused on the other partner. I think this is what Blanchard means by targeting or w/e but the source of arousal for males doesn't require them to consider their part in a sexual interaction as long as their dick's getting wet. Practically all the cues to their sexual arousal come from the other.
But with women, almost all women, except maybe for high T dykes, the woman herself cannot be detached from the source of her sexual arousal. She's situationally aroused by how her sexual partner relates to her. She likes to feel the attention on her, the desire for her. She wants to feel wanted. She gets a kick out of seeing how her sexuality "brings out the beast" in her partner, makes him go feral. To the woman it's a power trip to see the spell her sexual allure can cast on another person. So the woman cannot be removed from the equation when it comes to her sexual arousal.
The man loses himself, loses conscious of himself during sexual arousal. Consider how much truth lies behind jokes about how men can only think with their brain or their balls, never both simultaneously. The woman is receptive, and what the man loses, the woman gains, ergo semen demons, which is why you should practice semen retention, nofap, even abstinence, because when women turn you into a hornt nigga they are literally stealing your soul.

[Anonymous No.19689676]

>>19689655
Andrea Long Chu does for what it's worth. I would argue porn often unlocks the active mechanism, is not the cause per se

[Anonymous No.19689686]

>>19689655
Yeah, so imagine this "the AGP was already there but seeing it on screen is basically what activates it," but exponentially worse and brainwashingly intense in case of porn.

[Anonymous No.19689689]

>>19688318
are you me?

[Anonymous No.19689691]

>>19689671
Except that heretomales can be brought to this phenomenological state via certain prolonged forms of porn exposure, thereby becoming Tiresian: "She's situationally aroused by how her sexual partner relates to her. She likes to feel the attention on her, the desire for her. She wants to feel wanted. She gets a kick out of seeing how her sexuality "brings out the beast" in her partner."

[Anonymous No.19689696]

[Anonymous No.19689699]

Yeah, it's pic related.

[Anonymous No.19689703]

>>19689691
Yes, if you've spent many years getting hornt and blueballed and had your soul stolen by women (both through porn or otherwise), transsexuality is like a recuperating strategy, trying to become that which will allow you to steal back some of what you lost.

[Anonymous No.19689706]

[Anonymous No.19689709]

>>19688044
Personally I find the idea that AGP is caused by autism be extremely dubious
Now you could point to the number of trans identifying or transitioned AGPs who are also likely going to be autistic and say that there's a correlation, autism must cause AGP!
I don't believe this personally because of the way autism plays in an AGPs transition.
For the autistic AGP there are two factors caused by their AGP, the first is that they don't feel the pressures for conformity as much as a non autistic person therefore the autistic AGP and the non autistic AGP may experience the same desire to transition but only the autistic AGP will be able to transition, furthermore there is the way autism affects a persons sense of identity and the way they view gender and how they fit in with other people and this can lead autistic people to see transitioning as a solution or explanation of their problems causing them to transition
Focusing on these types of people just misses the forest for the trees, the forest being the millions of perfectly ordinary, non autistic autogynephilic straight men
>>19689686
Well for all AGPs the first experience with gender bending is extremely intense, watching an episode of ranma 1/2 on tv at the age of 9 was easily the most fascinating and exciting revelations I've ever experienced
I don't think you'd understand what it's like without being AGP yourself
>>19689676
What does Andrea Long Chu say?
The only thing of hers that I've seen in relation to this is that sissy porn made her transition which is different from AGP being caused by porn

[Anonymous No.19689711]

>>19689655
While you're on the subject it's insane how many children's cartoons have crossdressing in them

[Anonymous No.19689713]

friend from college is AGP now and the best I can say is it's exactly the kind of shit he'd pull

there's such a clear type
>high IQ
>hypermasculinized
premature balding, autistic traits, aggression
>egoistic
>narcissistic
it's just an extreme case of loving the smell of your own farts

[Anonymous No.19689718]

>>19689709
>Personally I find the idea that AGP is caused by autism be extremely dubious
autism doesn't cause AGP. Autism causes people to misinterpret their AGP fetish as Transgenderism

[Anonymous No.19689720]

>>19689696
huh, didn't realise Serano was a neanderthal linebacker but hey you learn something new every day.

[Anonymous No.19689723]

>>19689711
the latency period = innocence, that's actually good. they really are just humans before the sexual dimorphism hits

when cross-dressing is pitched to high schoolers and college students beginning to consciously form a value system, that's the problem

[Anonymous No.19689728]

>>19689718
>misinterpret
okayyy...but there are no false positives in transgenderism because there are no true positives??

[Anonymous No.19689729]

>>19689713
Yeah, this combined with >>19689699 leads me to believe that this whole
>ackthyually they have a woman's soul trapped in a man's body
bullshit is just that: bullshit. Trying to argue that they actually have "woman's brains" or whatever is just trying to justify the above via a materialist solution.

Fundamentally, there's certain types of people who are dissatisfied with their lives, and wealthy actors force this upon them. If the funding weren't there to force this upon them, they wouldn't do it.

[Anonymous No.19689731]

>>19689713
They were always AGP if they're an AGP they probably just didn't tell you about their sexual fantasies
For me growing up as a 13 year old boy going through puberty I was terrified being around my friends while they talked about girls, how they wanted to have sex, how much they liked 'tits and pussy', I knew that the fantasies I had about being a girl and having sex with men was wrong, I felt deeply ashamed about it because it made me feel like I was a homosexual and so hid it from even my closest friend

[Anonymous No.19689732]

>>19688032
This is a wonderful topic that gives the CIA a lot to think about: sexuality is the easiest means of mind control

[Anonymous No.19689735]

>>19689729
I mean the claim that you could have a woman's soul trapped in a man's body is fallacious to begin with because there's no such thing as a "woman's soul", they're soulless, ergo why they have to use their sexuality to steal mens' souls.

[Anonymous No.19689739]

>>19689711
Trannies been around since ancient Greece

[Anonymous No.19689742]

go sleepy nick

[Anonymous No.19689743]

>>19688032
It doesn't exist. Blanchards reasoning is based in what we now (and after he wrote it) understand to be the differences in prenatal hormone exposure wrt stature, attitude, psychological profile etc. You can have masculine gay men, effeminate heterosexuals and bisexual people that exist. All of these groups may suffer from GID.
People who say they suffer from AGP who feel dysphoria are suffering from GID, people who don't and get a sexual thrill are suffering from a transvestic paraphilia exacerbated by porn use and likely have some unresolved trauma and self esteem issues.

[Anonymous No.19689747]

>>19689735
Even more absurd, it would presume that whatever system was capable of putting souls into bodies was designed so well that it could not only put souls into bodies, but put a WOMAN'S soul into a body, but that it was also shoddy enough to somehow fuck it up and put these theoretical woman souls into male bodies.

[Anonymous No.19689748]

>>19689729
>Trying to argue that they actually have "woman's brains" or whatever is just trying to justify the above via a materialist solution.
This is only really true for HSTSs, and then again, their brains resemble other effeminate homosexuals more than biological women's

[Anonymous No.19689751]

>>19689747
Gnosticism is popular with trans women

[Anonymous No.19689752]

>>19688032
It's safe to say basically everything written on paraphilias are wrong. Anyone who claims they understand or can cure someone who likes to dip GI Joes into marmalade and proceed to stick them up their own ass is a fraud

>>19688411
I guess we have a serious ethnological expert here... are you sure transsexuality out of all places historically and geographically is most prevalent in contemporary North America?

[Anonymous No.19689754]

>>19689739
No they haven't.

>>19689743
>exacerbated by porn use
The massive medical complex pushing this onto people probably doesn't help either.

[Anonymous No.19689756]

>>19689751
Gnosticism is also heretical as fuck lol, go figure.

[Anonymous No.19689763]

>>19689748
Right, that's the point at a macro level. It requires there to be some kind of Platonic Form of a "woman's brain" to make this comparison. I think that the copes (as >>19689751 brought up) are a second-order thing. They're intentionally coping because it doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.19689775]

>>19689756
God creates bodies with horrible illnesses and deformities all the time
>>19689763
It's not a cope, it's an explanation for what we experience
As a materialist I know it's wrong but there are times when I feel that it's true, the intensity of that feeling makes me cry every time

[Anonymous No.19689779]

>>19689718
Blanchard doesn't see it that way, he doesn't see it as a fetish and he thinks that AGP can lead to genuine gender dysphoria that requires transitioning in order to treat

[Anonymous No.19689784]

>>19689775
>God creates bodies with horrible illnesses and deformities all the time
Yes.

[Anonymous No.19689785]

>>19689747
Is believing in the concept of gendered souls really any more schizo than believing in the existence of a soul in the first place?

[Anonymous No.19689794]

>>19689785
yeah, it is

[Anonymous No.19689795]

>>19689709
"Well for all AGPs the first experience with gender bending is extremely intense, watching an episode of ranma 1/2 on tv at the age of 9 was easily the most fascinating and exciting revelations I've ever experienced"

Subconscious fetishisms being prematurely brought to light, because juveniles have a sexualized unconscious, the mistake is to make that big of deal out of it, either because of shame or fetishism or a combination of the two. It's the mind playing tricks on the person, telling them that such fetishisms are identitarian destiny. No, the philosophically aware mind can shortcircuit that fetishistic automatism that can metamorphose into an otherwise fully formed identitarianism. The point is to keep your own unconscious on its toes by constantly exposing oneself to knew challenging intellectual experiences and understanding that sexual attraction is one vast Platonic cave illusion that need not be subscribed to if it causes more problems than it's rationally worth. There need be no shame in the fetish, which can manifest at any age, the trick is to not be gaslight by something as biologically preposterous on the face of it as gender transformative autogynophilia.

[Anonymous No.19689797]

>>19689754
>massive medical complex
American noise. Drugs are cheap in countries with real health care.

[Anonymous No.19689799]

the fuck you mean, "two kids in a trenchcoat," did you SERIOUSLY just misnumber that guy?

[Anonymous No.19689801]

>>19689775
>it's an explanation for what we experience
You are deluding yourself or lying. If there was not a massive financial-medical complex to make a profit off of human suffering telling you that you feel these things, you would not feel them. If you aren't lying and do in fact feel these things, then it just is a further indictment of the financial-medical complex that inflicts this upon people for how far it is willing to go to inflict suffering upon people.

[Anonymous No.19689802]

>>19689763
>Platonic Form of a "woman's brain" to make this comparison
huh? Brains can be categorized in different ways without anything like platonic forms. You have a human brain and a dog brain and they're different genetically and developmentally. Perhaps you could somehow connect a dog to a human body and give it some control, would the dog brain be a human brain now?

>>19689785
"soul" is just an explanatory device for low witted individuals to explain feelings they don't understand

[Anonymous No.19689807]

>>19689785
Or of telepathy for that matter, from the position of the critic of transpirituality?

[Anonymous No.19689808]

>>19689801
>fat people can't exist because beauty standards make people feel bad about themselves :(

[Anonymous No.19689813]

>>19689785
Believing that some kind of transcendent creator can make a gendered soul but then somehow fuck up which body the soul goes into is absolutely absurd, yes. The problem isn't gendered souls, it's that this entire industry is justified on the grounds of a divine fuckup.

>>19689802
Correct, you either are a man, or a woman. Anything else is cope to justify a cruel and inhuman medical industry.

[Anonymous No.19689818]

>>19689808
No, more like
>the people putting corn syrup in everything to make people fat so that they suffer all of the problems associated with being fat are immoral and being fat is harmful

[Anonymous No.19689823]

>>19689813
You're putting a lot of words into God's mouth there - why would it be an accident and not an intention?

[Anonymous No.19689827]

>>19689813
>Correct, you either are a man, or a woman. Anything else is cope to justify a cruel and inhuman medical industry.
I'm a woman, not sure what posts like this are meant to do exactly

[Anonymous No.19689840]

On an unrelated note, has anyone else here imagined what it would be like if every nut you've ever busted while wanking, spontaneously creampied the women (or men) you were thinking of when you bust it?

[Anonymous No.19689844]

>>19689813
>Correct, you either are a man, or a woman. Anything else is cope to justify a cruel and inhuman medical industry.
You just completely ignored my point. You were talking about categorizing brains. It's possible for a brain to control a foreign body and "inhuman" Soviet experiments went a way on that, transspecies may even be possible so transgender is quite conservative. Developmentally weird things happen.

>>19689818
The food and beauty industry are two different things, the degree of any interlocking directorates is up to you to find out

[Anonymous No.19689856]

>>19689655
>awareness of their AGP typically forms from watching kids cartoons involving crossdressing or gender swapping, the AGP was already there but seeing it on screen is basically what activates it
FUCK YOU MARTIN MORNINGS

[Anonymous No.19689859]

>>19689844
>The food and beauty industry are two different things
Not really, they're both owned by the same people.

[Anonymous No.19689860]

hey weirdos

there is neither a god nor women in men's bodies

just males and females evolvin' and mutatin' and gettin' psy-opped by Levantines

[Anonymous No.19689863]

I'm dating a tranny at the moment, thoughts?

[Anonymous No.19689864]

>>19688032
The theory is u falsiable so any investigation into the roots will just be psuedo waffle or mad ramblings.

[Anonymous No.19689867]

>>19689859
>I own 0.001% shares in dunkin donuts and 0.002% in l'oreal therefor ownership overlaps

[Anonymous No.19689873]

>>19689827
If you require castration, surgical implantation of factory produced products, a never ending stream of pharmaceutical products to keep your immune system from shutting all of this down, a constant stream of pharmaceuticals to keep your body from doing what it does naturally, AND a constant financial and media apparatus to keep this entire thing going because it's absurd, you are by definition not a woman.

[Anonymous No.19689875]

>>19689860
Yeah, but you're just a pseud if you can't provide the empirical proof of this claim. For example, what if any connection is there between the "linguistic turn" in Oxbridge philosophical circles and the flowering of the trans movement under government auspices in the Anglosphere in subsequent decades?

[Anonymous No.19689878]

>>19689754
>No they haven't.
Sleeping Hermaphroditus. An ancient Greek marble sculpture unearthed in Rome in 1608. "The subject reflects the taste for languid nudes, surprise effects, and theatricality, all of which were prized in the late Hellenistic period, ~300 BC."

[Anonymous No.19689879]

>>19689873
Then what is a woman?

[Anonymous No.19689880]

>>19689867
?

[Anonymous No.19689886]

>>19689878
I don't see what this has to do what the pharmaceutical industry or 1940s psychology.

[Anonymous No.19689893]

>>19689886
You're putting the cart before the horse. Prove that isn't a BiG pHaRmA conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.19689896]

>>19689873
Well I got my testicles removed because it's safer than constantly taking antiandrogen drugs, not sure what you're talking about the surgical implantation or immune system drugs
Yeah I need a constant stream of bioidentical estradiol so that my body doesn't do what it naturally does i.e let my bones become brittle from a lack of sex hormones but that's no big deal, it costs me about $100 a year for the estradiol, far less than if I was on SSRI's which I'm not and never have been on

[Anonymous No.19689899]

>>19689880
That's just interlocking food ownership, you're implying they profit off making people become landwhales and then further profit off making them feel fat to sell further options to offset the initial gains like you implied transexuality is purely an interlocking conspiracy of different actors. You don't need any interlocking conspiracy to explain the psychological dynamics.

[Anonymous No.19689909]

>>19689873
Nor a revolutionary, nor any sort of radical, if you're so extraordinarily engrafted onto the privatized institutions of capitalism: you're an extreme case/living emanation and projection of Wall Street biopolitico-economic supremacism. They won. You're declaring that you have no autonomy, because no sanity, without their power over you, but countless previouy queer generations coped as they didn't see themselves as defectives awaiting a Mengleian eugenicist solution.

[Anonymous No.19689912]

>>19689893
I'm not sure what you mean. An ancient statue of a chick with a dick has nothing to do with the massive financial-medical complex designed to sell pharmaceuticals to lonely incels who got tricked into cutting their dicks off.

I mean, come the fuck on, look at this guy, he explains it right here: >>19689896 he has to pay hundreds of dollars per month to pharmaceutical companies. Insurance covers a chunk, which really means that it comes out of mortgages and taxpayer funding, so he's really just a node in a scheme meant to move money from taxpayers to hedgefunds. He just openly admits this.

An anon upthread already posted The Transgender Industrial Complex, which shows the open and available connections between the financial system and the medical complex, and details the people who run these things saying exactly what anon did her.

Given that you can, by the trannies own admission, be "a tranny" without actually having cut your dick off and started up a pharmaceutical addiction, all "Being a tranny" really means is supporting and defending this system. As far as I can see it, that statue has nothing to do with defending or supporting the financial-medical system.

[Anonymous No.19689915]

just install tinder

[Anonymous No.19689918]

>>19689899
>you're implying they profit off making people become landwhales and then further profit off making them feel fat to sell further options to offset the initial gains
but they literally do

[Anonymous No.19689923]

>>19689912
You have to admit it's a well done statue tho

[Anonymous No.19689924]

>>19689578
>testosterone makes you trans
Kek nah man go on /fit/ for like three days and you'll get it. The main goal these guys have is to generate automatic sexual attraction from women. And pic related is how they think they need to do it. Combine that with the pressures required for a man, or any self-sufficient adult, to get through life and provide for themselves, and the idea that you can turn a woman on by dressing up in silky lace and taking turns doing each other's hair starts to look really appealing.

[Anonymous No.19689926]

>>19689918
Like I said if that were your central socio-psychological explanation for everything on weight and self-image it'd be extremely weak same as claiming the same on gender, any degree of truth is marginal

[Anonymous No.19689929]

>>19689912
Anon estradiol is actually pretty cheap, even if it's not covered by insurance
The scale of production they have in order to treat menopausal is huge so they can cut down manufacturing prices, it's certainly not hundreds of dollars per month
Furthermore I don't get it covered by insurance, I import mine from eastern europe

[Anonymous No.19689932]

>>19689926
but the food industry does intentionally promote bad behavior and the medical industry does intentionally promote bad treatments.

you would agree with this if it wasnt framed in this manner. if this was sticking it to drumpf youd be talking about how revolutionary not eating chips is.

[Anonymous No.19689934]

>>19689912
>the massive financial-medical complex designed to sell pharmaceuticals to lonely incels who got tricked into cutting their dicks off
Paranoid rambling. Prove it.

[Anonymous No.19689940]

>>19689934
read the thread >>19689699

[Anonymous No.19689947]

>>19689875
lol talk about pseuds

[Anonymous No.19689955]

>>19689929
Actually I should be more honest, the drugs I take were all paid for by me but the orchiectomy surgery I got was partially covered by my governments health care insurance
Cost me about $3000 and I got $600 back from insurance

[Anonymous No.19689968]

>>19689932
The problem is you're inflating a very weak theory into a general explanation way beyond what you're seeing. Any "bad behavior" food corporations can encourage can be way out done by individuals and their own drives, Nikocado Avocado isn't the creation of any marketing campaign by Frito Lays.

[Anonymous No.19689978]

[Anonymous No.19689984]

>>19689940
>rabidly antisemitic moral panic schizo dribble
That's your proof? Examine how you're living your life and talk to a therapist

[Anonymous No.19690025]

>>19689984
Dude is a seriously deranged lunatic, have a look at some of his interviews.

[Anonymous No.19690035]

>>19689978
I'm searching up the publisher and the author and i'm not getting much it seems to be some bizarre conspiracy theory about jews and less some expose like janice raymonds transsexual empire

[Anonymous No.19690055]

It's the simulation of decadence, as Nietzsche put it. Jewish strategy. Frankfurt School and all that.

Refuting transgenderism is pretty fuckin easy: transracialism, transheightism, transspecisism, transnumberism. No less real. Race/zender distinction, height/krender, species/yender, number/dender. It's a silly verbal shell game that should only work on morons. Then they "identify" as male anyway, or belong to the female "gender." Bait and switch.

This is not psychology, genetics, biology, or medicine. It's not a serious topic at all. That's why the definitions are always shifting--you can never say *what* exactly transgenderism is.

Because it's a religion and a psy-op. Have half a brain and read the NT and you see that Christianity is just Jews trying to stir up anti-Roman sentiment after the conquest. Yet a billion people think it's the meaning of life. Look at the religious turn of Trumpism via QAnon. These things are "not even wrong," there's no there there. The cult leaders hooked them emotionally; the ideas can come and go.

[Anonymous No.19690057]

>>19690035
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CPTvxnkQmN8r/
>problem?

[Anonymous No.19690131]

>>19689711
crossdressing is peak comedy

[Anonymous No.19690148]

Hi anons

Don't have much to add besides that I'm autistic, and I transitioned and I'm sad about it. I'm going to detransition but also that's expensive and hard too. I'm glad I never got an orchi, but I have to figure out what to do with my boobs :/

[Anonymous No.19690152]

>>19689813
>it's that this entire industry is justified on the grounds of a divine fuckup.
wich one?

[Anonymous No.19690168]

>>19690055
upvoted

[Anonymous No.19690169]

>>19689984
>>19690035
So it's not that he's wrong, it's that it's immoral to oppose an industry based on increasing human suffering.

[Anonymous No.19690174]

>>19690055
Sounds convincing, but I wanna see the textual and epistemological genealogy of the strategy: from, let's say Wittgenstein, to subsequent doctoral thesis to closed door UK psychology conference at MI5 headquarters, etc.

[Anonymous No.19690180]

>>19690148
Luck to you anon, your insights would be much appreciated at any time.

[Anonymous No.19690209]

>>19690148
You are off the goop now, I wish you luck in re-sculpting your body into being as acceptable as possible. Do your best to live with dignity. I had an autistic friend who also fell for this shit, I 100% trust it wasn't your fault and someone convinced you it was a good idea.

[Anonymous No.19690222]

>>19690148
btfo

[Anonymous No.19690229]

>>19690174
Wittgenstein isn't involved and is in fact directly counter to this. But then, Wittgenstein wasn't part of the Frankfurt School.

Anyways, that's literally what >>19689978 does.

[Anonymous No.19690242]

>>19690148
You're making the right choice. Go hug your parents and tell them that you love them.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.19690243]

its literally just porn addiction. historically the agp tranny phenomenon HAS existed, just exclusively among the aristocracy who could fuck and suck all day and engage in all manner of perversions. internet and porn just democratized libertine excess so you have a widespread phenomenon among all classes

the problem cannot be solved until porn producers and their enablers are liquidated

[Anonymous No.19690249]

>>19688032
I'm not completely sure on it, but I suspect the masochistic/submission stuff to be partially related to trauma or adverse upbringing. Freud wrote about masochism and self harm, I don't think he found a method of treatment for those patients though.

[Anonymous No.19690254]

>>19690148
goodluck with it fren

[Anonymous No.19690263]

>>19690229
You've been filtered, but that's precisely the point:
"Hale (1996) examines Monique Wittig's (1992) contentious claim that lesbians are not women. (Wittig's point was to turn on its head the heterosexist view that lesbians fail to count as women by arguing that lesbians step outside the oppressive category of woman which requires heterosexual relations with men). Hale is one of the first to defend the view (now adopted by many feminist philosophers) that the category woman is what Wittgenstein called a family-resemblance concept. The concept woman, in Hale's view, has thirteen, differently weighted characteristics none of which are necessary or sufficient for category membership (1996, 107–12). This position enables Hale to then argue, pace Wittig, that some lesbians are women, others are not, and for some there is no fact of the matter (1996, 115)...x

[Anonymous No.19690267]

>>19690148
I don't mean to be rude, but could you post a picture of your tits? I'm curious what they look like.
Anyway, good luck anon and know that everyone here is rooting for you.

[Anonymous No.19690269]

>>19690243
This!

[Anonymous No.19690277]

>sex is bad
this position will never be cool

[Anonymous No.19690280]

>>19690243
I am anti-porn but the fact that you are anti-porn makes me pro-porn now.

[Anonymous No.19690289]

>>19690263
The Frankfurt School lasted between 1918 and 1939. Wittgenstein was born in 1929, so he was 10 when the Nazis ended it. Sounds like you, unironically, got filtered.

[Anonymous No.19690294]

The Man Who Would be Queen - Bailey

[Anonymous No.19690296]

>>19690289
The Frankfurt has nothing to do with it, get it?

[Anonymous No.19690301]

>>19690296
With what? Wittgenstein? Yes, that is what I said. With the transgender industrial complex? No, the idea literally comes from the thinkers who were part of the Frankfurt School. It sounds like you're getting filtered by a book that you haven't read. Maybe if you read the book, it would clear things up.

[Anonymous No.19690302]

>>19690289
>the Nazis ended it
lmao ignoramus

they moved to America and wrote The Authoritarian Personality under the aegis of the American Jewish Committee

Marcuse's '60s stuff is still considered Frankfurt School

they left Frankfurt

[Anonymous No.19690307]

>>19690174
this is cringe and you're acting all weird. you strike me as the kind of Christian retard who claims Hegelian dialectics is Satan's favorite thing

[Anonymous No.19690312]

>>19688032
Pornography and children’s television.

[Anonymous No.19690321]

>>19690301
Wrong, it's a product of social engineering via those trained in Oxbridge analytic philosophy. It's a product of highly formalized linguistic theorizing and its application in mass behavioral psychology, thereby justifying itself and its founding.

[Anonymous No.19690324]

>>19690302
Then it's no longer the Frankfurt School. The entire point of the Frankfurt School was a meeting of the minds to come up with new theology to explain Marxism's failed eschatology, and then fix up Communism where it failed to act as a tool of Jewish power. That is literally the stated goal of it. Yeah, no shit the Nazis sadly failed in catching all of the rats, but that's neither here nor there. They successfully broke up the project.

[Anonymous No.19690326]

>>19690307
But this literally how it comes about: you know, Arab Spring, etc.

[Anonymous No.19690340]

>>19690209
I think it's just like, there's a lot of autistic people who are unhappy and lonely. Trans community is really, really welcoming, but also kind of grooming and good at telling you that whatever thoughts you're having mean you're trans. My *therapist* told me I'm trans.

Autists hyperfixate and are intensely introspective. I think these are mostly positive things. But also, it can be easy to confuse a "my new special interest is thinking about trans shit all the time" with heightened insight and self- knowledge.

You ever feel sexually undesirable or frustrated? Trans community is horny on main, literally all the time. That can feel kind of liberatory and revolutionary. I had an epiphany at some point and just kind of saw with fresh eyes how weird and creepy it all is.

Trans community is obviously tied up with leftism. I don't remember if I saw it here or somewhere else, but I saw someone observe recently that leftist energy thrives at the ascent of a bell curve, on all the explosively released energy of breaking apart all the bonds in society.

That's kind of it-- leftist milieus are heavily trans (leftist milieus also exhibit parallel grooming behaviors), and they control terms of all debate to where nobody can question or doubt anything about trans stuff.

But horny, grotesque, communist cat girls(I wasn't this much of a caricature, thank God) don't actually become happy. Polyamorous people aren't actually happy.

The left is correct in saying we're atomized consumers by design and then in the same breath they attack family formation, monogamy, sobriety, etc.

[Anonymous No.19690347]

>>19690340
now somebody please explain to me how my sister turned from straight normie into a vegan lesbian

[Anonymous No.19690361]

>>19689863
She cute?

[Anonymous No.19690362]

>>19689863
is she agp?

[Anonymous No.19690367]

>>19690347
Veganism is disordered eating and constant moral outrage

Lesbianism has a real codependency angle, that's the dark side of the U-Haul lesbian joke (that and lesbian DV statistics. )

Both are sustained by insular cultures that punish you for doing anything to leave or doubt

[Anonymous No.19690368]

>>19690324
Not even close retard

[Anonymous No.19690371]

>>19690340
>I think it's just like, there's a lot of autistic people who are unhappy and lonely
Understatement of the century
>I had an epiphany at some point and just kind of saw with fresh eyes how weird and creepy it all is.
Good
>The left is correct in saying we're atomized consumers by design and then in the same breath they attack family formation, monogamy, sobriety, etc.
By God they're going to pay for it, everywhere people are waking up and turning on to this shit, there will be consequences to their actions.

[Anonymous No.19690384]

>>19689879
Anon, this is trango standard gender pilpul

But consider

Playing word games that lean heavily on some grey areas with intersex people and sterile women doesn't actually mean trans women are women

Just because random people on the street can't give you a logically consistent exact point where the ship of theseus ends doesn't mean the cart in town watching sissy hypno is also a ship

[Anonymous No.19690388]

>>19690254
Thanks, genuinely

[Anonymous No.19690801]

>>19689671
>Autogynephilia is just female sexuality. Even "cis" women are AGP.
Pathetic cope. Women don't get off on imagining themselves as women, as they actually are women.

[Anonymous No.19690905]

>>19688032
Porn.

[Anonymous No.19690921]

>>19690267
That one wasn’t butterfly.
She wouldn’t fulfill that request either.

>>19690280
I don’t think she’s anti-porn. (Posts plenty of babes.) Anti-excess in porn. (Hates pedos and other sick fetishes)

[Anonymous No.19690969]

>>19688160
what if someone shows a hint of wanting to cross dress in a rightist town

[Anonymous No.19691080]

Does sexual degeneracy really correlate with or accompany societal decline? If so, why?

[Anonymous No.19691115]

>>19690969
only agp if you derive any sexual gratification from it

[Anonymous No.19691123]

>>19691080
Time preference

[Anonymous No.19691126]

>>19691080
I don't see why not

[Anonymous No.19691762]

>>19690055
>the Bible
>anti-Roman
lol

[Anonymous No.19691901]

>>19690169
>it's da jooooos
It's also that he's wrong.

[Anonymous No.19692125]

>>19689731
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.19692139]

>>19692125
:(

[Anonymous No.19692158]

>>19692125
Don't you mean 'discusting, yee hah!"

[Anonymous No.19692189]

>>19690289
>Wittgenstein was born in 1929
>Ludwig Josef Johann Wittgenstein, April 26, 1889

[Anonymous No.19692242]

>>19688032
I don't know of any books, but my own experience can be summed up like this - you find women's bodies so attractive that you want to take one for a test drive. and then add on a layer of light humiliation/degradation and loss of control (which probably has similar origin to women having rape fantasies, an element of force allows you to experience the pleasure it isn't socially acceptable for you to choose, and then you get humiliated for enjoying it).

that being said, this is just a fetish for me. I think transgenderism is, quite frankly, ridiculous. although people are free to live in whatever way they want.

[Anonymous No.19692257]

>>19688032
What if I have autoandrophilia

[Anonymous No.19692308]

>>19691115
i do
i've even taken hormones for a few years just to see it's mild feminizing effects not to actually transition i think transitioning is ridiculous but legit being born in a female body is hot

[Anonymous No.19692341]

>>19692308
>i've even taken hormones for a few years just to see it's mild feminizing effects
explain your reasoning here. I would love to take an X-change pill and get to try out being an actual woman, but what is the point of half measures like this? I live my life as a normal cis straight man. Cross dressing, hormones, feminine behavior, sissy junk - that stuff all disgusts me in men, and I would never try any of this. I'm attracted to the idea of being a woman, not a man pretending to be a woman. we may just be different, obviously, but your agp seems to be a completely different thing than mine.

[Anonymous No.19692405]

>>19692341
>explain your reasoning here
you don't look like a complete boor while crossdressing
subtle changes like veins in your forearms etc dissapearing and some subcutaneous fat appears making you look soft
yeah it sucks looking like a soft beta male when thinking about your everyday male side but i justified it by reasoning that it's more of a physiognomy thing
anyway it was temporary and that's what i was thinking at the time

[Anonymous No.19692423]

>>19692242
Well women, as a rule, do achieve far more pleasurable and totalizing orgasms than men, so there's that.

[Anonymous No.19692427]

>>19689655
Cartoons are interesting because they seem to be a common trigger for fetishes in general. I’m surprised no one has done a study into the link between exposure to cartoons and fetishism.

[Anonymous No.19692444]

>>19692405
see, the softness and subtle change in features sounds really hot to me, but only in the context of somehow magically transforming into an actual woman. if, at the end of the day, you're still just a dude pretending to be a chick, it ruins it for me.

so I understand why that would appeal to you, but personally, knowing that the actual experience I want isn't possible, I find it much better to just embrace what I am and become an exemplary man, that just happens to have a fetish for gender transformation.

maybe someday there will be ultra realistic VR that will let me live out my most degenerate fantasies, so there's that to look forward to I suppose.

[Anonymous No.19692447]

>>19692427
They really seem to support Freud's theories of childhood libidinality.

[Anonymous No.19692448]

>>19688318
Lmfao

[Anonymous No.19692502]

>>19689655
>awareness of their AGP typically forms from watching kids cartoons involving crossdressing or gender swapping
for me, it was a children's book where everyone transformed into different animals against their will. When I was a kid I was obsessed with the idea of growing a tail (maybe jumanji did this to me). When I finally hit puberty, all my transformation and body horror interests shifted on to the idea of transforming into a woman, which sort of makes sense, because I find women attractive, but not animals lol. i'm just thankful i didn't turn out to be a furry or something.

[Anonymous No.19692556]

>>19688391
my gut feeling says women are more likely to conform, both in how they act and think

[Anonymous No.19692603]

>>19692556
Women are kinky as fuck and surprisingly open minded to a lot of fetishes, they just know how to hide it better.

[Anonymous No.19692608]

>>19692603
Andre provides no examples or proof

[Anonymous No.19692612]

>>19692608
Does personal experience count?

If you’re not a creep about it, most women are happy to indulge your fetishes.

[Anonymous No.19692617]

>>19692612
*your fetishes*

[Anonymous No.19692632]

>>19692444
you're even more of a dude pretending to be a chick in VR

[Anonymous No.19692659]

>>19692632
the point is, if it is convincing enough, it allows for suspension of disbelief. putting on a dress and getting fucked in the butt doesn't, imo. both are ways of simulating an unachievable fantasy, but one of them is designed to be a self-contained simulation, and the other is an absurd delusion permeating all aspects of your life.

[Anonymous No.19692675]

>>19692603
>>19692612
>open minden to a lot of fetishes
>indulge your fetisches

This just sounds like the woman going along with whatever the man in her life wants, which does not disprove the gut feeling I have.

I do believe women can be just as kinky if not moreso than men, but I think social pressure places a much bigger part in it than for men.

[Anonymous No.19692695]

>>19692675
Exactly

[Anonymous No.19692772]

>>19690148
post 'em

[Anonymous No.19692781]

does any of you have the study where they made men aroused by a cup of coins? I found it here once, but even in the archives I can't find it.
What they did is switch erotic images with a cup of coins and they found that veins in the penis expanded due to arousal when they only showed the cup of coins later in the experiment.

[Anonymous No.19692782]

>>19692772
Gives new meaning to "growing a pair"

[Anonymous No.19692822]

>>19688391
>>19692556
I'm a woman (biological) and I have very acute paraphilias even fetishes (fetish as opposed to kink meaning you can't get off without it)

[Anonymous No.19692826]

>>19692822
What are they?

[Anonymous No.19692844]

>>19692826
>Fetish
Autoandrophilia
Fujo shit
Feminizing the man
Fucking the man in the ass

>Paraphilia
Extreme physical violence
Certain ultra-specific physical traits
Shoes

[Anonymous No.19692849]

>>19692844
did anything notable happen in your life that made you that way? just curious.

[Anonymous No.19692851]

>>19692849
Autism

[Anonymous No.19692855]

>>19692844
Not judging, but these are so tame!

[Anonymous No.19692883]

>>19692822
Statistically speaking, women are more likely to fall "in the baseline" of pretty much everything; intelligence, attractiveness, personality, etc. This doesn't mean all women are the same, but it shows in statistics. So there are a lot less female retards then male retards, but there are also less female geniuses then male geniuses. There's no reason to assume this wouldn't also apply to sexual behavior and paraphernalias.

>>19692844
Hot.

[Anonymous No.19692974]

>>19692556
Woman here. You're sort of right. Women are more acutely aware of social consequence and more likely to enforce it, but men are better at empathy. This actually means men conform better, and more easily, with less consequence. Most women I meet are way more incensed other bitches aren't on trend and validating the trend or, incensed other bitches are on trend and validating it too well. The kind of bro conformity men can manage is incredibly rare in women. It's more common for women to conform out of fear than empathy.

[Anonymous No.19693019]

>>19692974
>men are better at empathy
Why would someone just lie on the internet?

[Anonymous No.19693029]

>>19692974
Internalized misogyny sister weighs in

[Anonymous No.19693082]

>>19693019
>That not the women thing
Men are better at empathy. Google it. It's caused some trouble for the hypermale brain the unfunny Baron Cohen had as his pet theory.
Most of the evidence for women feeling more empathy is in relation to physical pain in others, which is why I said they felt social consequence and fear more often. It's complex but basically, women can tell men are angry more often than men can tell other men are angry, but men can tell women are happy more often than women can tell other women are happy. What female empathy looks out for is anger and pain, but men are able to empathize without anyone needing to be dying or hurt.
Women also empathize better if they're motivated. That is, if they can see a personal gain for themselves they start to empathize more like men, but without a personal gain, they're the same or worse than men.

[Anonymous No.19693099]

>>19693019
>hyper-rational sperglord shocked that men and women are different
Like fucking clockwork.

[Anonymous No.19693110]

>>19693082
Woah that's a load of text! Too bad it's fucking bullshit.
>Google it.
I googled it and am not getting an undisputed consensus. There is hormonal evidence of women producing more oxytocin, which facilitates empathy, as opposed to testosterone, which makes it more difficult to be empathetic.
Now shut the fuck up since you are a woman and hate your own gender so much. What are you doing here? Go clean the kitchen or something.

[Anonymous No.19693128]

>>19693110
You will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.19693130]

>>19693110
>science is hatred and unevolving
I'm assuming you're a woman because we're responsible for more of the typical misogynistic comments the internet throws up. You can Google that one too, Jan.

[Anonymous No.19693140]

>>19693082
A fellow Baron-Cohen detractor! I spit on Frith, Happé, Baron-Cohen and Attwood for their trifling bullshit.
Of course since Baron-Cohen came up with his quotients at the turn of the century, he had to concede a difference between cognitive and affective empathy in order to keep his work clinically relevant (which it has remained so solely because of massive inertia in the field).

>>19693110
>muh neurochemicals map exactly onto high-level cognitive functions
yeah nah you're a fucking retard. Yes, endogenous oxytocin ties into the neurochemical reward system that motivates interpersonal emotional bonding, but that has little to do with Theory of Mind, for example.
Being pumped full of endogenous drugs does not equate to being able to understand things from perspectives other than your own, it simply aids you in understanding things from the perspective of yourself while being pumped full of endogenous drugs that make you, personally, act a certain way.

[Anonymous No.19693141]

>>19693128
>>19693130
>You will never be a woman.
>I'm assuming you're a woman
Now fight

[Anonymous No.19693150]

Guys, and potential women, if you claim to be a woman, you have to prove it. Simple as. Post your tits or stfu.

[Anonymous No.19693156]

>>19693150
You have to post bussy first :3

[Anonymous No.19693176]

>>19693156
Keep your degeneracy to yourself.

[Anonymous No.19693177]

>>19693140
>A fellow Baron-Cohen detractor
His cousin is far better. Big up the Staines massive.

[Anonymous No.19693187]

>>19693176
>no fujoshi tits
Not her, but you're making a mistake, man.

[Anonymous No.19693195]

>>19689878
hermaphrodites =/= trannies

[Anonymous No.19693199]

>>19693187
Listen buddy, I don't claim shit, I can be a man or a woman, and you are the one calling me a man, so you better post a picture of my tits to prove it, you hear?

[Anonymous No.19693221]

>>19693199
>dudesis wants me to post herm kleinfelters for xer
sorry brosefina, I'm just here for the books and neuroscience on autism, not live action autism

[Anonymous No.19693231]

>>19693221
So am I broski, don't sweat it.

[Anonymous No.19693395]

>>19689731
I don't know how you roll anon, but your 'born this way' bullshit is clearly not some universal. I never had any erotic fantasies about being a woman until my twenties.

[Anonymous No.19693451]

>>19691762
>he doesn't knows

[Anonymous No.19693488]

>>19690969
Depends widely. Lots of people won't care or care to know. For some that's grounds for an immediate asskicking. Says a lot that it could even be a question as to which type of place is safer though, despite the left preaching tolerance and openness all they seem to do is tell someone they can't be themselves.

[Anonymous No.19695000]

>>19693395
Perhaps you aren't actually AGP, based on research the average onset is like 11 years old or something