/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19686610]

>Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin--because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!
lmao people actually take this dude seriously

[Anonymous No.19686620]

This thread is what happens when a /pol/ reddit refugee christcuck reads a book for the first time in his life

[Anonymous No.19686623]

>>19686610
Occasionally Nietzsche's aim to be radical, when normally quite enlightening about our beliefs, becomes a lil tryhard and silly.

[Anonymous No.19686626]

>>19686620
kek

[Anonymous No.19686628]

>>19686620
>t. degenerate
He's literally just harping on about how the degeneracy of Moorish Spain appeals to him and other enlightenment midwits

[Anonymous No.19686636]

>>19686628

[Anonymous No.19686637]

>>19686628
If I got a dollar for every christian crypost, I would be a millionaire by now

[Anonymous No.19686639]

>>19686620
fpbp

[Anonymous No.19686644]

>>19686636
>because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!
why don't you read?

[Anonymous No.19687216]

[Anonymous No.19687225]

>>19686610
unbelievably based, mashallah

[Anonymous No.19688099]

>>19686620
kek seethe more

[Anonymous No.19688177]

>>19686610
Although this won't be obvious to someone who only reads quotes, Nietzsche is so committed to trolling christers that he finds elements to praise in its rival religions e.g. Judaism, Islam, Buddhism. Though if you read more, you'd have the complete picture, which is that all of these are a form of nihilism since "God" is not a valid means of valuation and so all those religions, including Buddhism, are according to Nietzsche denying the real lived world in favor of an imaginary concept which is opposed to nature.

[Anonymous No.19688393]

>>19686620
Neechud was literally an incel.

[Anonymous No.19688478]

>>19688393
He died of whore overdose

[Anonymous No.19688509]

>>19686620
/thread

[Anonymous No.19688985]

>>19686610
nietzsche was just wrong. look at our world now. it would be better with christianity. even if it was hollow christianity. its better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.19689052]

>>19688985
I do not believe so, the living hell the world's become is quite the blessing, perhaps the greatest we've ever received. Without such an absurd state of affairs how else you you tell apart wheat from chaff, worthy people from oxygen thieves? This is a test, plain and simple, for what comes next. The Kali Yuga's has a point and it's just begun.

[Anonymous No.19689125]

>>19688393
even if he was, that doesnt invalidate his ideas and you're retarded and simp-brained if you think otherwise

[Anonymous No.19689189]

>>19689125
Umm, yes it does lol
Youre an incel with shitty opinions too thay you don't want to be ignored
cope

[Anonymous No.19689206]

>>19688985
rainbowpastors.webm

[Anonymous No.19689213]

>>19688985
>it would be better with christianity.
But that would be like treating a dismemberment with painkillers. The world without Christianity is indeed pretty bad but that is precisely why we should strive for alternatives to Christianity. If we attempt to turn back the clock we will 1) most likely fail or 2) in case of success repeat the entire process with Luther 2.0, Enlightenment 2.0 and Socialism 2.0.

[Anonymous No.19689356]

>>19689052
youre very christian in your thinking

[Anonymous No.19689544]

>>19689356
Not at all my dude, you say that because my post can be reduced to
>we suffer now
>suffering is a test
>later we'll get a reward
However I have absolutely no intention or illusion that I'll ever be able to enjoy the golden age that'll follow the end of the Kali Yuga, if I'm really fortunate that'll be something for my great-great-...-grandchildren. Besides, I do not resent this evil, it has a purpose and enables spiritual development unachievable to those who enjoy a good existence, so I wouldn't opt out of my spot in the ages even if I had the chance to.

[Anonymous No.19689566]

>>19686620
fpbp

[Anonymous No.19689582]

>>19689544
i respect you and your plan, anon, but drop the kali yuga thing. its cringe and takes away from what youre really saying

[Anonymous No.19689588]

>>19689125
ironically nietzsche was the definition of simp brained

[Anonymous No.19689597]

>>19688478
...but thats just a theory...a-

[Anonymous No.19689604]

>>19686620
Destroyed. You know OP is some /pol/-tard who picked up Nietzsche off a "based reading list", only to discover Nietzsche wasn't an ethnonationalist. You love to see it.

OP, kys.

[Anonymous No.19689613]

>>19686610
He's right, the Christian destruction of the ancients was of an extraordinary magnitude

[Anonymous No.19689628]

>>19686610
Even the old timers didn't frown upon a bit of baitin'. A tradition as old as time!

[Anonymous No.19689643]

>>19689582
I like Hindu linguo anon, there's a lot to be gained from studying it and many of its terms have specific meanings not easily (or briefly, since I'm lazy) described, making them useful. Besides, on this point specifically they are quite right, the world has recently initiated a period that's quite coherent to what their traditions describe as the KY, or at least that's what I'm seeing looking back and forwards.

[Anonymous No.19689665]

>>19689643
>the world has recently initiated a period that's quite coherent to what their traditions describe as the KY,
So the entirety of recorded history is the decline of humanity? That's the point you're making, which is extremely histrionic and nihilistic. It's just christerism in a new skin, the fall from Eden.

[Anonymous No.19689690]

>>19689665
The entirety? Not quite, and not universally, overall the last few centuries to millennia have been a general decline in human quality. Some places endured better or longer than others, but none survived. Will likely still get worse, much worse, for a pretty long while, although I couldn't begin to speculate for how long.

The Christian spirit is admittedly similar, but it differs in some key areas: evil is there from the beginning of man, and it remained largely the same (irredeemably bad) the same until J-man, after which it initiate a slow ascension, with things looking better and better as their faith spreads. With the gift of salvation offering an alternative to the original sin their worldview is in a way optimist, even if in a twisted way.

[Anonymous No.19689726]

>>19689690
Yes, the entirety. KY has been going on for thousands of years according to Hindu cosmology. So before the Pyramids even. The fact that you don't like the current morēs of the society you live in is not an intensification of Hindu metaphysical consequences, unless of course you're using the KY in a christer/slave moralist sense of it being this terrible harm to you that only priestly religion can rescue you from, when it's really just a statement of earthly existence being one of decline. This too, presupposes a superior divine existence somewhere else, though in the sense of the future or past rather than in heaven, so it is not as nihilistic as pining for heaven because it either has existed or will exist, in the world, and not outside of it.

[Anonymous No.19689768]

>>19686610
I guess you decided to skip the part where you use logic, reasoning and persuasive argument to refute him.

Also, Nietzsche predicted people like you and preemptively pwn'd you from beyond the grave.

[Anonymous No.19689798]

>>19686610
>Be nihilist
>Be gay
>Go insane
He tells us a lot about modernity desu.

[Anonymous No.19689815]

>>19689726
As I said anon, I like Hindu linguo because it contains unique concepts you cannot otherwise convey quickly, I do not subscribe to a particular textbook application of those terms. To me the KY is a general term to describe a trend of overall decline in the quality of the world, at least when viewed through the lenses of spiritual development. I do not know why you'd propose it could be moralist term for something I wish to be saved from, as not only that couldn't be further from the truth but the advent of what Nietzsche called slave morality, while not the cause of the degeneration of the human spirit I see, is one of its first and most defining consequences. If you say this is reference to some ideological stance I'm ignorant of it.

[Anonymous No.19689831]

>>19689798
But can you prove that any of those things are bad?

[Anonymous No.19689839]

>>19689815
It's very simple. If the last few centuries are a marked decline because of KY that is a different claim than saying all centuries we have on record are the KY. The election tourists who meander around this board bleating about KY are generally doing the former, in a very millennarian and christer fashion, where KY is inflicting some pain upon them because they are too weak to handle the condition of all human history. If you can't handle the KY now without seething, as they can't, how much more impossible would it be to do so tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.19689858]

>>19689839
>The election tourists
It's 2016+6 anon, those guys are all permanent residents by now

[Anonymous No.19689865]

>>19689858
I'm not granting citizenship to anyone from before 2010, as per the /lit/ Immigration Act of 2018

[Anonymous No.19689869]

>>19689858
I'm not granting citizenship to anyone from after 2010, as per the /lit/ Immigration Act of 2018

[Anonymous No.19689871]

>>19688985
>it would be better with christianity
And yet the internet went to major shit just as the Christian majority started using it regularly. Interesting...

[Anonymous No.19689894]

>>19686620
jej op btfo

[Anonymous No.19689936]

>NO MUH CHRISTIANS DESTROYED MUH HEDONIST FANTASIES

[Anonymous No.19689942]

>>19689936
Read more

[Anonymous No.19689948]

>>19689942
the monastic tradition refutes that statement

[Anonymous No.19689957]

>>19689948
The monastic tradition is what that statement is referring to.

[Anonymous No.19689971]

>>19689957
Wow I didn't realized Monks controlling their desires, living simple lives, and devoting themselves to religious worship and dutifully preserving manuscripts even your precious Greeks and Romans is hedonism

[Anonymous No.19689981]

>>19689971
They do it so they can pillage and rape other cultures and feel not just guiltless, but ordered by God Almighty Himself to do so.

[Anonymous No.19689995]

>>19689981
Yeah you're just retarded

[Anonymous No.19690000]

>>19689971
Living a life dedicated to spiritual gratification for its own sake is a form of hedonism.

[Anonymous No.19690001]

>>19689995
And you're historically ignorant like every other Christian I've met.

[Anonymous No.19690009]

>>19690000
by that logic you can construe everything as hedonism making the term meaningless

[Anonymous No.19690031]

>>19690009
Not him, but Christians believe in a heavenly reward, so what they do here is all a kind of hedonism. And the further back in history you go, the better the religion's believers understood this and even used this to their political advantage.

[Anonymous No.19690082]

>>19690009
>you can construe everything as hedonism
Everything that's done for its own sake, yes, things that are done for an external purpose, not so much.

[Anonymous No.19690120]

>>19689871
The internet is and was always a frivolous waste of time. Nietzsche's whole philosophy is just a silly LARP btw.

[Anonymous No.19690227]

>>19689971
> I didn't realized Monks controlling their desires, living simple lives, and devoting themselves to religious worship

Let me stop you right there pedo enabler.

[Anonymous No.19691016]

>>19686620
Trannies seething about /pol/ again.

[Anonymous No.19691208]

>>19690120
>The internet is and was always a frivolous waste of time.
Granted, but it still took a nosedive in quality in the early 2000s. Or, I should say, quality went from being the norm to being rather difficult to find in the vast sea of mediocrity and ugliness that came online then, which coincided with an increase in Abrahamicist users.

[Anonymous No.19691340]

>>19689871
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, faggot.

[Anonymous No.19691396]

>>19689768
>I guess you decided to skip the part where you use logic, reasoning and persuasive argument to refute him.
Nietzsche never once used those things, and Nietzscheans will only dodge the question and claim you don't understand Nietzsche if presented with such a thing.
Nietzscheans will claim all else is slave morality and coping. They will claim that and that Nietzsche destroyed metaphysics, when Nietzsche came up with the biggest metaphysical cope ever: Eternal Recurrence™, a denial of the reality of death.
To be Nietzschean is to be coping.

[Anonymous No.19691542]

>>19686610
I still don't get the praise some European thinkers heap upon Islam. Like jihad is a cool concept, okay, but you can't more or less the same thing from philosophy? What did the Moors do exactly that was so fucking amazing you'd be a Islamaboo? I dunno I think Islam could be cool and then I see Arab people and it's like, yikes.

[Anonymous No.19691582]

>>19691542
They're very ignorant of Islamic philosophy and legal disputes. Or that many Islamic empires were cosmopolitan and essentially globalhomo.

[Anonymous No.19691597]

>>19691542
>>19691582
Islamic Middle Ages were very based. There is a secret reason Nietzsche liked them. See if you can figure it out…

[Anonymous No.19691636]

>>19689052
>muh poojeet-sorcery cycles
I have more respect for people who genuinely believe in the Ragnarok.

[Anonymous No.19691794]

>>19691597
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.19691910]

>>19686620
Pretty sure all on /pol/ know about the pro-Muslim Hitler quotes, you chapo cuck.

[Anonymous No.19691944]

Why did the "wonderful" moorish """""culture""""" only happen in Spain and not in the rest of north africa?

[Anonymous No.19691971]

>>19686610
I dunno man. I feel like I have more in common with the Romans and the Greeks than I have with muzzies and demi-niggs.

[Anonymous No.19691998]

>>19686610
>You must either totally agree or disagree with a philosopher

[Anonymous No.19692093]

>>19686610
19th century Europeans had no idea what Islam was like. Orientalism gave them the impression that the east was full of riches, opulence and sexual pleasures. They had no idea that muslims are mostly sexually repressed browncels who are not even allowed to drink alcohol or listen to music. They're much worse than christcucks when it comes to slave morality.

[Anonymous No.19692102]

>>19692093
>not drinking alcohol and being sexually moderate means you're repressed incel
so this is how low the modern man has sunk.

[Anonymous No.19692104]

>>19692102
I'm judging them on Neech's own terms. Since he hates Christianity for being "life denying" it's clear that he would have hated Islam if he wasn't ignorant of it, since it's an even more repressive, life denying religion.

[Anonymous No.19692287]

>>19692093
>>19692104
>it's an even more repressive, life denying religion.
That's not what the poetry of Sa'di and Abu Nuwas suggests!

[Anonymous No.19692313]

>>19691340
>believes in God without evidence
>demands evidence when it suits him though

[Anonymous No.19692515]

>>19689544
Isn't this just an excuse for your own impotence and inaction? Otherwise, yeah, totally on board.

[Anonymous No.19692546]

>>19686610
He was kinda quirky tho

[Anonymous No.19692564]

>>19689869
okay Chud, so you feel threatened by immigrants? have sex

[Anonymous No.19692605]

>>19691208
>more niggers use the Internet now than ever, therefore why Internet sucks now

See, we can do that too

[Anonymous No.19692621]

>>19692605
Both can be and are undoubtedly true

[Anonymous No.19692687]

Pastorshawn.webm

[Anonymous No.19692777]

>>19689942
Explain how the drive of the Übermensch isn't basically hedonism.

[Anonymous No.19692784]

>>19692287
You're better off looking at the people it produces rather than the poets.

[Anonymous No.19692897]

>>19692777
The overman contains in himself the most diverse set of conflicting drives, by definition of the concept. What makes the overman who he is is precisely the amount of internal conflict he has endured and overcome. His existence by definition is that of the one who has endured the most pain. If we define "hedonist" to mean "the pursuit of pleasure over pain" then everyone is a hedonist to some degree, but out of everyone, the overman (who has endured the most pain, and therefore acknowledges perspectivism, the necessity of conflict and pain, in the deepest sense) would be the least hedonistic of all.

[Anonymous No.19692946]

>>19692897
The same could be said about the ascetic monk.

[Anonymous No.19692968]

>>19692946
Living in a remote location meditating all day is hardly an embrace of pain.

[Anonymous No.19692975]

>>19692968
What is pain in this context?

[Anonymous No.19692992]

>>19692975
Existential stress. Note that I'm not denying that an ascetic monk embraces pain to some extent by regulating his appetites, but compared to an overman? The monk is just a coward hiding away in the mountains then, far from any real danger.

[Anonymous No.19693032]

>>19692992
>Existential stress
You're still saying nothing.

[Anonymous No.19693058]

>>19693032
I'm talking about psychological suffering, or in more archaic terms, spiritual suffering. What suffering does the ascetic monk endure? What is there to endure when you're hiding away in the mountains like that?

[Anonymous No.19693090]

>>19693058
Sin. Trying to purify yourself is no easy task because sin always comes back. Besides, letting go of the pleasures of this world is already painful by itself.

[Anonymous No.19693127]

>>19689981
wow what a retard

[Anonymous No.19693138]

>>19693090
Okay, now try enduring what the overman has had to endure. Try traveling the world and learning how to sit at all kinds of tables (learning as in through earning the right to do so at an individual level and experiencing it for yourself, not merely by reading or observing). Moreover, try overcoming the faults of all kinds of peoples, first by making them your own and then by overcoming them in yourself (and by faults I do not mean "sins," but psychological insecurities and philosophical, scientific, and aesthetic hypocrisies and inadequacies). The monk's lifestyle doesn't compare. He's sheltered in comparison.

[Anonymous No.19693151]

>>19691636
>people who genuinely believe in the Ragnarok.
You don't? Ragnarok is just the cutaway point between one cycle and the next, it literally happens every single year.

>>19692515
Only and exclusively if you do not seek improvement waiting for someone else to save your lazy ass.

[Anonymous No.19693201]

>>19693138
The struggle of the monk is simpler because it has a theological basis. But it is its simplicity that makes it so difficult. His battlefield is his own heart.
I don't deny the struggle of the overman, but trying to diminish the monk's one is not very bright. There's no thermometer to measure this kind of things, anyway.

[Anonymous No.19693273]

>>19693201
>His battlefield is his own heart.
So is the overman's, and he goes to much greater lengths to conquer it, and even has more of it to conquer, being the overman (the one with the most diverse set of conflicting drives within) and all.

[Anonymous No.19694348]

>>19686610
Christianity and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[Anonymous No.19695520]

>>19691542
Germans are snowarabs

[Anonymous No.19695529]

>>19695520
(soon to be real Arabs)

[Anonymous No.19696698]

>Why yes I believe in Eternal Recurrence™

[Anonymous No.19696710]

>>19686610
>because it said yes to life
literally just outwardly and inwardly destructive hedonism wrapped in "noble" sounding platitudes

[Anonymous No.19696718]

>>19686610
My nigga just wanted some black woman sized booty twerking and TURN UP