>>yfw liturature as an artform is a product of bourgeoisie culture and is rendered totally antiquated in postindustrial societies Soon glorious socialist utopia shall sweep all trace of literature from the people's earth.

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Anonymous Fri Jul 29 04:54:32 2011 No.1968510 [Reply] [Original]

>>yfw liturature as an artform is a product of bourgeoisie culture and is rendered totally antiquated in postindustrial societies

Soon glorious socialist utopia shall sweep all trace of literature from the people's earth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 04:55:32 2011 No.1968512 Socialists rape and destroy everything else. Why not literature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 04:56:32 2011 No.1968513 There will never be any socialism or communism. Sorry Marx. It's not going to happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:00:32 2011 No.1968518 >>1968513 I'm genuinely intrigued as to how you would define the former USSR. Sure, as a state it failed eventually, but you state that neither socialism nor communism can exist? Really?

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:03:32 2011 No.1968521

>>1968518
That has to be the oldest and most refuted criticism of Marxian theory socialism.
>>1968512
His view on socialism was that it was the antidote to capitalism which would reduce men to the most primal and primitive of beings and removed the human spirit from them.
>>1968510
Marx only took that view because he hated all things bourgeois and sided extremist with the proletariat who mostly had never picked up a book.

He didn't see the age where authors were commies left and right and all men learned to read following his death.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:04:32 2011 No.1968522

>>1968513

>>uninformed post is uninformed

Increasing world population alone is going to make mutualism the only viable economic option eventually. It doesn't help that the competition, capitalism, is both morally indefensible and its ruling class has ended up brutally conquering and exploiting the majority of the world.

>A universal democratic consensus favors socialism over capitalism

>Universal democracy is universal socialism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:07:32 2011 No.1968529 >>1968522 >Morally indefensible Do you realize that libertarians and corporations have no sense of this peoples or christian moral?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:08:32 2011 No.1968531 >>1968522 ... You do know that the majority of the world has either stagnant or regressive birthrates. It's only the Negroids keeping the averages up, and the Negroids will always be the underclass for genetic reasons.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:10:32 2011 No.1968536 >>1968531 cool delusional commitment to eugenics, bro.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:11:32 2011 No.1968537
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>People on /lit/ seriously Socialists or Communists

National Socialism is the only half way decent form of Socialism. The rest deteriorate the social fabric of society by promoting expropriating wealth democratically with the justification of "need. Distorting markets and constraining society to the shittiest members.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:12:32 2011 No.1968538 Hey look, it is one of those threads again. Just go to xvideos and remind yourself we live in hedonist times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:13:32 2011 No.1968540 >>1968536 ...Not once did I advocate putting the State or some other force in charge of reproductive rights.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Fri Jul 29 05:13:32 2011 No.1968541 File: 199 KB, 756x599, Screen shot 2011-07-29 at 10.10.15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1968522 >universal consensus is socialism Not in Europe, apparently we're bored with socialist utopias.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:15:32 2011 No.1968542 >>1968538 I nearly did this too but stopped when I realized my computers had speakers blasted to full and was the only one awake in my house with five people in it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:23:32 2011 No.1968548

>>1968541

Right, you're on /lit/ and therefore hardly man enough to overtly take a stance on a social issue. But the inescapable logical conclusion to such a way of thinking (racism, though I'll give you that it's not even logical to start with), is advocated eugenics. So you are advocating eugenics. So fuck off.

>>>1968541

yeah lol, just the majority of Eurasia, the ACTUAL continent.

>>1968537

>doesn't realize that a society being structured for individuals to work for individual gain invariably leads to the tyranny of man over man

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:24:32 2011 No.1968550 >>1968548 *>>1968540

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:27:32 2011 No.1968552 >>1968551 Let me answer for him; he doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:27:32 2011 No.1968551 >>1968537 >national socialism Do you know what that even means, bro?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:29:32 2011 No.1968553 >>1968551 High technological advancement and increased production? Because that is what happened in Germany circa 1930's.

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Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Fri Jul 29 05:32:32 2011 No.1968561
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>>1968553

>he thinks that shit was anything more than an unsustainable, irresponsible economic preperation for war.

where did you hear about that shit? /new/?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:32:32 2011 No.1968562 >>1968553 Short-term wealth at the cost of any sort of feasible long-term economic stability? That's what Germany did in the thirties, too. And before you say stuff about war being good for production and progress, 1984.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:33:32 2011 No.1968563

>>1968548
>doesn't realize that all systems eventually lead to tyranny regardless.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.

>But the inescapable logical conclusion to such a way of thinking (racism, though I'll give you that it's not even logical to start with), is advocated eugenics.

I'm not a racist, I just understand and acknowledge the genetic and cultural differences between races. I would let the inferiors die on the street, that would control their numbers adequately. You don't need to forfeit reproductive rights, just forfeit the entitlement of a prolonged life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:34:32 2011 No.1968565 >>1968562 1984 showed us the dangers of such philosophies.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Fri Jul 29 05:34:32 2011 No.1968566 >>1968563 wow guys this dude's hardcore

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:35:32 2011 No.1968568

>>1968553
Weimar Germany was superior though in science and culture. The only real advancements of the Nazis was better war machines.

Weimar had Born and Heisenberg and Planck and other great physicists who left due to the Nazis.

They had Kafka and Hesse and Remarque. who openly opposed and left Germany as well.

Bauhaus movement also originated during this time, and guess what, Nazis ended that shit too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:35:32 2011 No.1968569 >>1968512 This. Also, OP, the sooner you learn to think for yourself and not repeat catchphrases, the sooner you will come to appear as a person capable of thinking freely and undogmatically rather than a coded machine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:36:32 2011 No.1968571 >>1968568 Shit I agree. it was the zenith of German and Western culture much like Britain circa late 1800s and America circa post war and beyond.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:37:32 2011 No.1968572

>>1968561
They started off with a deep depression, stagflated shithole and quickly strove to be one of the leaders in technological progress and military might.

Even if they faced the most extreme of the boom and bust cycles, the infrastructure and technological progress made in that short amount of time easily makes up for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:37:32 2011 No.1968573 >>1968522 >series of conclusions without any arguments

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:38:32 2011 No.1968578 >>1968563 >systems >>Communism is stateless so is democracy >>"the Negroids will always be the underclass for genetic reasons" >>"I'm not a racist" actually you are.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:39:32 2011 No.1968579

>>1968568
Volkswagen
KdF
computer, invented by Konrad Zuse 1941.
Jet plane in 1939 by Heinkel Flugzeugwerke.
The first manned rocket flight in 1945 (unfortunately it lasted only some seconds and pilot Lothar Sieber died)
Nazi doctors, in line with their campaign for public health were the first to write a major scientific paper linking smoking with lung cancer, I believe smoking was even banned, for a brief time in the Luftwaffee.
Nazis invented Nerve gasses Sarin and Tabun.
Invented first effective automatic rifle, single person anti-tank weapons (precursors to RPGs).
You can see some magnificant architecture by Speer that was planned in nearly any documentary on the man.
Autobahns
Stealth technolgy was invented by the Horten brothers during the Reich.
Audio technology using magnetic tape was a Third Reich invention. Copying German tape recorders was how the famous American corporation Ampex got its start. Magnetic tape was also essential later for the video tape recorder. Allies hadn't a clue how the Axis was transmitting speeches and programs hours apart to different locations and having them sound "live." It was top of the list of technologies to capture as the war concluded.
Management systems for keeping massive and complex development programs on track was another "invention" transferred to the US, along with its scientists and project managers. These systems allowed the Germans to have developments underway in numerous categories and perform them remarkably well.
The Wankel engine, which is now referred to as the "rotary engine" was invented during the Third Reich. Mazda uses this engine extensively.

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Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:40:32 2011 No.1968581

>>1968579
Someone mentioned the Autobahnen as really an idea thought up during the Weimar Republic. Yes, but that brings to light another achievement, and that is simply the will and energy to put unemployed workers to work doing things that needed to be done, something the Weimar government was totally inept at doing. "Parliamentary chaos" combined with acquiescence to WWI reparations were the problems.

Missile technology: Ground-to-ground, air-to-air, air-to-ground, ground-to-air, ship-to-ship, etc., using wire guidance, TV guidance, IR guidance (everything but laser quidance). Most of these missiles were not at the highest form of development, but their work launched and made a bundle of money later on for corporations like Boeing, Raytheon, Hughes Aircraft, North American Aviation (Rocketdyne Div.), etc. All of these companies had their German "Chief Scientist" heading up research and development operations.

The promising IR technologies were mostly all developed during the Third Reich. They had "night vision" devices while the Allies were still wondering if such things were possible.

Modern sewer treatment facilities are all derived from Third Reich technology. You've probably seen them with their settling ponds and huge skimmers.

While the Englishman, Farnsworth, gets credit for the invention of a very rudimentary television, it was the Third Reich that perfected television and conducted the first broadcasting.

Application of geophones for seismic wave detection was used for locating artillary.

The "wishbone cannon" was invented and installed at Calais, France. It was destroyed before it was operable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:41:32 2011 No.1968585 >>1968580 >implying posting any random work of political science can be considered "argument" after this work has been debunked both theoretically and practically

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:41:32 2011 No.1968587 >>1968569 the day won't come, yankee. Individualism itself is bourgeoisie affectation.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:41:32 2011 No.1968588

>>1968581
The "rail gun" was another significant invention, which the US and SU copied. This weapon employes a series of ring magnets to propell a rail mounted projectile. The significant feature of this "gun" is that it can accelerate the projectile at a speed nearing infinity -- at least in theory. Conventional explosives are limited by their individual, finite rates of expansion and hence constrained in how fast they can make a projectile move.

The intial "invention" of the Third Reich that made everything possible was the breaking away from the international banking system, which made its money on debt finance; i.e., usury. This act was probably the most important event which caused WWII to later occur. In the Thirties the German economy was booming and all sorts of new humane benefits were granted to workers. Elsewhere, deep economic depression was underway, and Roosevelt, for instance, really couldn't get things to moving until we went into a war economy mode.

In all, 300,000 patents and copyrights were expropriated from Germany by the Allies after 1945.

The Fischer-Tropsch process to produce synthetic fuels from coal, which fueled Germany's armed forces throughout the war.

The dicovery of the ingesting of faecal bacteria to cure gut problems
http://www.rense.com/general4/bac.htm

Dr Morell used his Mutaflor to treat Hitler's foul smelling stools. And used today as Symbioflor http://www.biosym.dk..._symbioflor.htm

The chemical enhancing of soldiers' ability to fight
http://www.rense.com...l34/enhance.htm

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:42:32 2011 No.1968590

>>1968588
During the Nazi era, German scientists and engineers either developed or greatly improved television, jet-propelled aircraft (including the ejection seat), guided missiles, electronic computers, the electron microscope, atomic fission, data-processing technologies, pesticides, and, of course, the world's first industrial murder complexes. The first magnetic tape recording was of a speech by Hitler, and the nerve gases Sarin and Tabun were Nazi inventions.

Third Reich scientists also performed extensive work in the area of occupational carcinogenesis. Physicians documented the health hazards of asbestos, and in 1943 Germany became the first nation to recognize lung cancer and mesothelioma caused by asbestos inhalation as compensable occupational illnesses.
Nazi Germany also pioneered what we now call experimental epidemiology: two striking papers -- a 1939 article by Franz H. Müller of Cologne, and a 1943 paper by Eberhard Schairer and Erich Schöniger of Jena -- presented the most convincing demonstrations up to that time that cigarettes were a major cause of lung cancer.

Inflatable sex doll - Dr. Rudolf Chargeheimer, a psychiatrist appointed by Himmler to help develop the prototype, wrote that "the purpose and goal of the dolls is to relieve our soldiers. They have to fight and not to mingle with 'foreign women.'"

The opiate drugs methadone (the heroin substitute) and pethidine (a powerful pain killer) were Nazi inventions.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:42:32 2011 No.1968591

>>1968590
Our society, in fact Western society in general, absorbed as much of the Nazi technology and social control mechanisms as we could lay our grubby hands on. Turbine engines (the kind on airplanes and in powerplants), modern aircraft designs, rockets, superhighways, propaganda techniques, political manipulation, modern insecticides, nerve gas and audiotape are all Nazi inventions. We didn't invent them, and we weren't working on them at the same time. We took them from the Nazis wholesale (and we were entirely right to do so). Oddly, I'm not hearing anyone getting bent out of shape about the existence of freeways. http://billrushing.org/id169.html

Much of what we know about hypothermia (re-warming techniques and cold-water suits) comes, chillingly, from Nazi medical experiments.
http://www.jlaw.com/.../NaziMedEx.html

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:43:32 2011 No.1968592

>>1968591
Custom-designed, IBM-produced punch cards, sorted by IBM machines leased to the Nazis, helped organize and manage the initial identification and social expulsion of Jews and others, the confiscation of their property, their ghettoization, their deportation, and, ultimately, even their extermination.
IBM's German subsidiary was Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, known by the acronym Dehomag.
For example, one series of punch cards was designed to record religion, national origin, and mother tongue, but by creating special columns and rows for Jew, Polish language, Polish nationality, the fur trade as an occupation, and then Berlin, Nazis could quickly cross-tabulate, at the rate of 25,000 cards per hour, exactly how many Berlin furriers were Jews of Polish extraction. Railroad cars, which could take two weeks to locate and route, could be swiftly dispatched in just 48 hours by means of a vast network of punch-card machines. Indeed, IBM services coursed through the entire German infrastructure in Europe.

Microwave cooking (necessary for troops in Russia)

Face it faggots. NATIONAL SOCIALISM IS BEST SOCIALISM

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:43:32 2011 No.1968593 >>1968579 >computer Depends on how you define it, but most agree that the first was built by a Canadian named Babbage.

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>>1968585

lol, between this theoretical masterwork and the general consensus of all the masses on the planet, who cares about the opinions of your nationalist bourgeois scholars.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:45:32 2011 No.1968598 >>1968592 >>Randism is the best libertarianism hur dur

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:46:32 2011 No.1968599

>>1968579
Wankel engine was invented in America later on, and those other inventions are primarily again, used for military purposes.

The 1920s was one of the greatest era in theory for physics with uncertainty principles and incompleteness theorems. Nazi Germany had no real theoretical breakthrough.

Culture-wise, German culture had amazing advances in film and archicture and etc. that wasn't a rehash of "traditional forms". It was actually new and genuine advances.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:46:32 2011 No.1968600 >>1968599 >implying theoretical ideas are better than practical ones

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Fri Jul 29 05:47:32 2011 No.1968601 >>1968593 Charles Babbage was british, he lived his whole life in London. Also I think i'm right in saying the first concept of a modern computer was developed by Turing.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:47:32 2011 No.1968602

>>1968592
This wasn't because of National Socialism, this is because Germany had the highest concentration of Neanderthal genes. The Neanderthals were smarter, stronger, faster, and tougher than humans, the only reason they died (but not before infiltrating our gene pool) was because their 6000 calorie-a-day requirement was unsustainable during the rapid climate change of that era.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:49:32 2011 No.1968604 >>1968601 Derp. I guess I just assumed he was Canadian because I first heard of him on "Hark! a Vagrant".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:49:32 2011 No.1968605 >>1968602 Its pretty commonly accepted among anthropologists that neanderthals had pretty archaic tools compared to the cro magnon. And the fact that all genetic studies reveal no admixture when the cro magnon met the neanderthals in europe.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:50:32 2011 No.1968607
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>>1968602
Yes, and National Socialism is the system devoted best at preserving the local culture and the local gene pool.

Pic related, what the typical German will look like in 50 years if liberal democracy is allowed to continue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:51:32 2011 No.1968608 >>1968605 Actually, a paper displaying evidence enough for this idea to be at least a theory (rather than a hypothesis or a conjecture) was released just this month.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:53:32 2011 No.1968611 >>1968608 I frequently browse human genetics blogs and sites. I'd like to see it since it would have made headlines.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:53:32 2011 No.1968612 >>1968605 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-d na-gene/ Same dude here, that stuff about genetic superiority was just trolling, but yeah.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 05:55:32 2011 No.1968617

>>1968612
According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them—at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup.

The study uncovered the first solid genetic evidence that "modern" humans—or Homo sapiens—interbred with their Neanderthal neighbors, who mysteriously died out about 30,000 years ago.

What's more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, shortly after modern humans had left Africa, not in Europe—as has long been suspected.

This shows non-Africans have neanderthal genes, not Europeans. I know all too well of this.

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Fri Jul 29 06:09:32 2011 No.1968631

>>1968617

I don't think you understand how DNA works if you think 4% is a negligible amount.

In fact scientists were surprised by how high the percentage actually was, they identified more than 70 genes which influence the development of your brain, skin, bone and physiology.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 06:12:32 2011 No.1968637 File: 15 KB, 336x336, gtfo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GTFO STORMFAGS /lit/ is not /new/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 06:13:32 2011 No.1968639 >>1968631 Does this explain why whites and Asians are superior to blacks? Inb4 shitstorm, you all know it's true anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 06:18:32 2011 No.1968651 >>1968639 inb4 shade in the desert and windows facing the winter sun

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 06:19:32 2011 No.1968654 >>1968639 >superior jeez

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 06:22:32 2011 No.1968658 >defending socialism and/or national socialism Fucking idorts.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Fri Jul 29 06:28:32 2011 No.1968667 >>1968639 It's what we would expect to find due to the IQ discrepancies between ethnic Africans and europeans / asians.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 12:43:32 2011 No.1969125

>>1968617
If you read that study in NatGeo

Fact is that Chinese and Melanesians are as closely related to Neanderthals" as Europeans, said Reich, a population geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University.
and
all modern ethnic groups, other than Africans, carry traces of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes, the study says—which at first puzzled the scientists.

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