/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19677272]

>match with a girl on tinder
>her profile says "I love philosophy"
>go on a date
>bring up Spinoza and talk about the ethics until she forcefully changes topic to something completely different
>she never texted me back

What did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.19677279]

[Anonymous No.19677299]

Did you start off with something like "so you like philosophy?" or something similar to gauge whether she wanted to talk about it, or even knew anything about the subject?

[Anonymous No.19677307]

Should probably have brought up the Greeks instead

[Anonymous No.19677333]

>>19677272
Maybe she thought you and spinoza were of the same tribe. you didn't do your research. better luck next time.

[Anonymous No.19677367]

>>19677272
She was probably Jewish and respecting the active Cherem on Spin*za

[Anonymous No.19677389]

>>19677367
This
My father caught me with tractatus politicus once and he threatened to disown me

[Anonymous No.19677402]

>go on a date with a girl
>tell her i'm really into philosophy
>she asks what
>jordan peterson
>she likes him too
>we have the greatest sex

this literally happened somewhere on planet earth, you jelly?

[Anonymous No.19677404]

>>19677272
you should have just asked her who her favorites are and just talked about them. the woman never cares what you think they just want to talk about themselves

[Anonymous No.19677445]

>>19677272
>tinder
anon you need to stop letting your behavior get modified, tinder is one of the worst apps that harvest your behavioral surplus

love will find you only if you are willing

[Anonymous No.19677450]

>>19677272
Spinoza?
She was expecting you to start with the greeks.

[Anonymous No.19677457]

>>19677367
DOWN WITH THIS REACTIONARY

[Anonymous No.19677481]

talk to people AT THEIR OWN LEVEL

[Anonymous No.19677487]

>>19677367
Does that mean Spin*za was /ourpneumatic/ ?

[Anonymous No.19677585]

>>19677445
It found me but it didn't find her.

[Anonymous No.19677595]

>>19677367
Based

[Anonymous No.19677628]

>>19677272
Women don’t look mansplaining, anon…

[Anonymous No.19677634]

>>19677585
have you found you?

[Anonymous No.19677954]

>>19677272

She correctly understands that his proofs are unrigorous and fallacious, resting on convenient definitions and tricks of natural language.

[Anonymous No.19677962]

truth be told she just got a better match

[Anonymous No.19677965]

>>19677272
No woman loves philosophy, it’s a lie.

[Anonymous No.19677993]

>>19677595

Should have ended the letter with "I award you no points, and may G-d have mercy on your soul."

[Anonymous No.19678036]

>>19677333
Checked and KEKED, kikes btfo

[Anonymous No.19678271]

>>19677954
Is there a good book which discusses this ?

[Anonymous No.19678370]

>>19677272
hope it's not bait but I'll bite:
I don't think I've ever met a girl that actually has said that she likes philosophy and has liked it. Just let them do the talking. The average woman is so banal and dry, it's just insufferable. To them, getting "deep" or talking about philosophy equates to talking about basic astrology or the question of "do you like think that like, there's a god or something like that haha" so for the most part, no, no woman will ever actually enjoy philosophy outside of PhD students or masters students or something like that. And those girls aren't even *actually* into philosophy, they're more into generic '-isms' like racism, feminism, etc. (you know the drill). To them, talking about something deep or complex is a toni morrison novel or something like that. The average woman spends her day scrolling through tik tok and worrying about empty nothingness, the above-average (in intellect) woman is producing the tik toks at a slightly above average male level of intelligence with a follower-twist.

Understand that women are born-followers, that statement has been uncontroversial for the past 10,000 years prior to 1900 or somewhere around then. Institutional manipulation doesn't make it untrue and the fact that you can fire people for saying that also doesn't stop it from being true. Use this to your advantage and influence them. The easiest women to sleep with are those with low self esteems in high competition cities like NYC or London, etc. use your influence to your advantage.

Also, no woman will ever be impressed by knowledge or philosophy or anything like that (outside of extremes and exceptions). It's akin to the luxury vocation money paradox: i.e. lawyers, doctors, bankers, etc. think that women are impressed by their vocation rather than the salary the vocation produces. The average woman cannot develop interest when she lacks agency.

[Anonymous No.19678780]

>>19677272
She’s a woman, so she’s by definition a materialist. If she had ever heard of Spinoza before she’d hate him, and if she hadn’t heard of him, as is likely the case, she’d become bored and overwhelmed if anyone mentioned his name as you did because she’d be forced to come to terms with the fact that she doesn’t know shit about philosophy and only says she’s interested in it to try to seem interesting to friends or a possible mate, and accepting such a truth is completely unthinkable to a woman.

>>19678370
Based

[Anonymous No.19678793]

>>19678271
No, because all language is flawed.

[Anonymous No.19678806]

>>19677272
Don't just shoehorn very specific philosophy discussions into a conversation to appear smart. It doesn't make for the most lively conversation on a first date and makes it seem like you're showing off how smart you are.

[Anonymous No.19678815]

>>19678370
They're very very rare but actually intelligent women do exist

[Anonymous No.19678822]

>>19677272
probably should have discussed a real philosopher

[Anonymous No.19678829]

>>19678370
I want to meet an extremely high IQ woman who has researched literally every avenue (historical and astronomical) of astrology, still believes in it and can cross-reference it with the philosophical strains which grew up alongside (namely Plotinus, Iamblichus). Do they exist? I knew a woman with a PhD in medicine who took astrology somewhat seriously, but it was still generally surface level and there was no knowledge of any history.

[Anonymous No.19678832]

>>19677402
its like imagining two people having sex because of their shared interest in Nascar, who cares?

[Anonymous No.19678846]

>>19677965
If a woman says she loves philosophy, it's only because she wants to seem more intellectual, and therefore superior to other women and more desirable to men, which is ultimately the desire of all women.

[Anonymous No.19678850]

>>19678832
>its like imagining two people having sex because of their shared interest in Nascar, who cares?
If their interest is strong enough and there's physical attraction I can see it happening.

[Anonymous No.19678857]

>>19678829
Imagine actually believing in astrology

[Anonymous No.19678938]

>>19678780
Spinoza was a materialist though

[Anonymous No.19678953]

>>19677333
>>19677367
the duality of goy

[Anonymous No.19678964]

idk talking about astrology is a pretty good ice breaker. especially with younger women. then mention you're a psych major and you're home free.

[Anonymous No.19678980]

>>19677307
Underrated

[Anonymous No.19679102]

>>19678815
Where bro? I move in "elitist" (normie elitist) or like baby elitist yuppie circles, I'm an investment banker in NYC, and I have found none outside of the PhD superficiality meme.

[Anonymous No.19679113]

>>19679102
You kill yourself basically.

[Anonymous No.19679141]

>>19679113
based

[Anonymous No.19679153]

>>19678271
To >>19678793's point, read Wittgenstein. Tractatus Logic-Philosophicus is his early attempt at logical metaphysics a la Spinoza (title is a play on a Spinoza work), then read his later Philosophical Investigations to get his later realization that all language is relative and a logical cosmogony described in natural language is unrealizable. Also check out the Oxford school if you're interested in this idea.

[Anonymous No.19679162]

>>19679153
Wittgenstein's book is shit. It's all just language games with no real meaning.

[Anonymous No.19679164]

>>19678846
Same reason every girl on tinder uses the 'spiritual' tag. I have yet to meet a spiritual woman -- actually, that's not true. There was one. But she grew up in a commune and was sweeter than the sunshine. Shanti

[Anonymous No.19679166]

>>19679162
ever (tried to) read Hegel? You tell me if anything legitimately makes sense outside of really, really abstract subjectivism.

[Anonymous No.19679175]

>>19679162
>It's all just language games
Lmao did you really just criticize him by using a notion he invented?

[Anonymous No.19679177]

>>19679166
Yes, Hegel is trash. All philosophy is trash, including Wittgenstein, therefore it is all equally justifiable in its own way. If there is no truth, then anything is truth. It's your decision as to what is or isn't true.

[Anonymous No.19679184]

>>19679175
thats the joke

[Anonymous No.19679185]

>>19679177
>If there is no truth, then anything is truth. It's your decision as to what is or isn't true.
Nailed it. Protagoras would be proud

[Anonymous No.19679192]

>>19679184
Damn roasted

[Anonymous No.19679200]

>>19679153
>a logical cosmogony described in natural language is unrealizable.
Isn't foreshadowed in a marvelous Schop dialogue?

[Anonymous No.19679204]

>>19679177
>If there is no truth, then anything is truth. It's your decision as to what is or isn't true.

This is the same argument used against post-modernism, and while I'm inclined to believe it, how come all these impossible to understand writers were so influential?

[Anonymous No.19679205]

>>19679102
I've only met two before, one was oddly a history teacher I had in highschool and the other was some girl I knew in college (I don't think she was a tranny but she was a god at math and computer science so idk)

[Anonymous No.19679222]

>>19679175
His notion goes both ways.

[Anonymous No.19679236]

>>19679204
I'm not necessarily arguing against post-modernism. If anything is truth, all it means is that you have to pick axioms based on their strength, but despite the strength of an axiom there is still a subjective choice. Axiomatic strength still exists, it's just a matter of growing a spine and finally coming full circle back to Aristotelian realism. "When given a choice between a strong and a weak horse, a man will naturally choose the strong horse" - Osama bin Laden.

[Anonymous No.19679248]

>>19678370
I went on dozens and dozens of dates with PhD students in Philosophy and Philosophy adjacent fields, and not one of them was "liked" philosophy or been genuinely into it

If I ever have to go back on the dating market again I think I'm going to voluntarily choose a life of celibacy. I'm 3 years into a relationship and when I try to remember my last period of being on the open market, it's like remembering a drug-fueled haze. None of my behavior makes sense in hindsight. Why did I put up with so much shit? Why did I pursue such awful people? Why did I tolerate complete flat-line, dead-end people? The only answer I can give is the one I gave at the time, "because the alternative is to abstain altogether, the alternative is to accept being single more or less indefinitely." But from where I am now, I would take that "alternative" gladly, because interacting with those women was on the same level as eating a big piece of shit every day. Why? Why did I choose to eat the doody? The sex wasn't good, nothing about it was good. The successes were worse than the failures, because at least the failures ended with me back at my apartment, secretly relieved to have my evening to myself.

I just can't put myself back in my younger self's shoes. It's like looking back on a whole period of my life where I was friends with abusive, horrible, shallow people. All I can think is "uhhh then why were you friends with them then?" The answer "because I had nobody else" isn't credible, so why was it credible then? What EVER made me tolerate young professional women?

Now I see screenshots of Bumble and Tinder and it gives me PTSD. Imagine, imagine talking to this 5/10 you're barely attracted to, who thinks she's an 8/10, who thinks her extensive mileage doesn't matter, who thinks her jaded faded personality and outlook on life aren't noticeable, who is getting older and sadder with every passing year but is so arrogant that she never feels the need to add anything to her life, even strategically in service of attracting a partner. Imagine not only wanting to spend time with a 27 year old woman (who says she's 26) who feels entitled to high-quality companionship on the basis of a profile that says "Love being outside! She/her You can always catch me on an adventure <3," not just wanting to spend time with this, but having to EARN the PRIVILEGE of spending time with her, LETTING her put you to work to earn that privilege, letting her talk to you in a way that obviously signals "you'd better impress me, a chubby 28 year old with an MA in Public Health!"

I just can't do it. It's literally like imagining eating dirt. I will NEVER eat dirt. Yet I ate dirt for years? What was I thinking? It must be even worse out there now. Are today's dirt-eaters even lower and more degraded than I was? Is that even possible?

[Anonymous No.19679256]

>>19679236
No, I meant that that line came familiar to me, mainly because it is the same line of reason used against postmodernism (unrelated to this discussion, specifically).

But all of these abstract philosophical concepts, let me ask you this: is it not more beneficial to just learn from Hegel and his friends since they've already absorbed the Greeks? Are the basics really just that important?

[Anonymous No.19679258]

>>19679204
>how come all these impossible to understand writers were so influential?
Prestigious deniers of objective truth are very useful to those for whom the truth is an obstacle to realizing their personal ambitions and desires.

[Anonymous No.19679259]

>>19679236
The only way to decide the strength of an axiom is through other axioms.

[Anonymous No.19679268]

>>19679248
I understand this fren, I'm happy people like you exist and that your testament is how it is, because it assures me that it is the right choice. How do you feel in your current relationship?

[Anonymous No.19679292]

>>19679248
Very similar experiences except I never chose to tolerate those people in the first place. The truth is I've always found complete bimbo whores more pleasant to be around than this sort of average cackling delusionalist; at least if she's upfront about filling the vacuum in her head by sucking dick, the sex would be good if you get it, and she won't bother you with ridiculous false fronts if she's self-aware enough to know she has no personality outside fucking and prosecco. Sure, it ends up being transactional in a pretty bleak way, but the horrible truth is that's *less* shallow and empty than dealing with the normie type you describe.

[Anonymous No.19679316]

>>19679248
>Modern Man in Search of Pussy
That hits too close, man.
I can kinda relate.

[Anonymous No.19679330]

>>19679248
Ah posts like these make me smile. I’ve had one girlfriend ever which lasted 3 months and I broke up with her.

[Anonymous No.19679339]

What do you call it when one young false nigga causes a bunch of established false niggas to seethe, when none are in the truth?

[Anonymous No.19679349]

>>19679339
An Iliad boy

[Anonymous No.19679356]

I think therefore i am is about as muxh as white girls know.

[Anonymous No.19679362]

>>19679248

Now imagine actually having damned a kid into existence with such a foid, or an STD off that shit (the poster never said he didn't). >>19679330 Similar sentiment but it was a bf who lasted for a summer before I dumped him. The struggle of the above poster seems to be that he is an extrovert born into a family which expects relationships (the majority).

[Anonymous No.19679376]

>>19679362
>but it was a bf who lasted for a summer before I dumped him
Woman or faggot?
>>19679362
>extrovert
*introvert, you mean?

[Anonymous No.19679400]

>>19679248
>I just can't put myself back in my younger self's shoes. It's like looking back on a whole period of my life where I was friends with abusive, horrible, shallow people. All I can think is "uhhh then why were you friends with them then?" The answer "because I had nobody else" isn't credible, so why was it credible then?
I'd like to offer a possibility: you may not have realized there even was any alternative, such as "just not hanging out with anybody". Kids tend to accept the world for what it is and not consider the possibility of things ever being different. In hindsight it seems astonishing to me that I suffered through attending twelve years of primary and secondary school without simply fleeing, or refusing. Such a waste of time and life, such worthless company, yet I sat there day in and day out. Not because I liked it or thought I would get something out of it, I just literally couldn't imagine not doing it. This was what life was.

[Anonymous No.19679416]

>>19677272
A general tip for life if you ever wish to be liked by someone, for whatever reason. When someone says they like something, entertain that topic by asking them if they would like to talk about it but never ask inquisitive questions that invalidate their knowledge on the topic, they'll feel inadequate and hate you for it.

[Anonymous No.19679470]

>>19679416

In other words, never actually discuss the topic. To hell with the nature of human beings themselves, to hell with friendship, and to hell with conventional romantic love which tells pretty lies in order to sustain itself.

On the contrary, it regularly happens that people (usually men) compete with those more skilled than themselves, and recognize improvement thereby. To hell with your feminine ethic of go-along-to-get-along mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.19679476]

someone sum "the greeks" up for me in a sentence please
if it sounds interesting enough, ill buy all the books

[Anonymous No.19679504]

>>19679476
>ITT: butthurt Foucault-anon with wild claims but WITHOUT wild proofs.
Sad

[Anonymous No.19679539]

>>19677272
Women don't exist to be intellectuals, there's nothing that will dry up a girl's pussy faster than you sperging about something she doesn't care about. How about you comment on her hair instead?

[Anonymous No.19679552]

>>19679539

[Anonymous No.19679577]

>>19679504
never read foucalt either

[Anonymous No.19679585]

[Anonymous No.19680210]

Had to check if im not on /r9k/

[Anonymous No.19680245]

>>19679585
whoever wrote that is a midwit incel

[Anonymous No.19680258]

>>19677272
>she forcefully changes topic to
Ok from what I'm reading here it's you who forcefully changed topic to Spinoza to begin with, then you went on a spergy monologue and since you didn't understand the situation you had to be told to stfu. Clumsy retard
>>19677299
>>19677962
>>19678806
this, it's all so simple
>>19677404
bullshit, but if all your thoughts are as lame as your post then I'm unironically not surprised that this is your actual experience
>>19678370
this incel needs some fresh air
>>19678780
>she’d be forced to come to terms with the fact that she doesn’t
get a grip virgin boy, it's crystal clear that it's OP who is still struggling to come to terms with how crap he is at dating while the girl never wasted more thoughts on faggot OP than necessary

[Anonymous No.19680270]

>>19677272
Being a Spinozafag for one

[Anonymous No.19680279]

>>19680245
Stfu virgin

[Anonymous No.19680316]

>>19677272
>bring up Spinoza
Why not do more basic instead? Start with Greeks than feel her level, maybe she just got into Philosophy and you flash your knowledge like a prick.

[Anonymous No.19680431]

>>19677272
FEMINIST philosophy you fucking MORON

[Anonymous No.19680628]

>>19677272
>talking to women
Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.19680649]

>>19677272
The idea that men and women are "basically the same" is the biggest meme of our age. The simps (probably just women defending their interests) itt trying to shame op are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.19680687]

>>19677272
>What did I do wrong?

You installed Tinder. You thought people from Tinder had content. You went on a date with a stranger.

[Anonymous No.19680884]

>>19677634
No.

[Anonymous No.19681237]

>match with a girl on tinder
>her profile says "I love cinéma"
>go on a date
>bring up Straub/Huillet and ask her what she thinks of 'Die Antigone des Sophokles nach der Hölderlinschen Übertragung für die Bühne bearbeitet von Brecht 1948 (Suhrkamp Verlag) (Antigone)' (1991) until she forcefully changes topic to something completely different
>she never texted me back

What did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.19681290]

>match with a girl on tinder
>her profile says "I love literature"
>go on a date
>bring up Shatner and talk about Tekwar until she forcefully changes topic to something completely different
>she never texted me back

What did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.19681296]

>>19677272
start with the greeks next time

[Anonymous No.19681774]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.19681836]

>>19680884
anon find the time in between your awake-state and sleep-state, like when your just about to wake up

[Anonymous No.19681844]

>>19677333
>t.astroturfing jew
>>19677367
They still can't stop seething about spinoza 350 years later

[Anonymous No.19681845]

>>19681290
>>bring up Shatner and talk about Tekwar

[Anonymous No.19681853]

>>19679539
>there are no bad dogs, only bad dog owners
>t. female shitbullmommy

[Anonymous No.19681855]

>>19681844
>can't stop seething about spinoza
behold the mystical powers of the theological reactionary

[Anonymous No.19681929]

>>19679248
>>19679470
Nice prose, theres nothing quite like eloquent outrage :)

I've met a few intelligent women. And there are some with good perspective. Same goes for men. I wish it was easier to find people that I want to be around.

[Anonymous No.19682000]

>>19679153
Start with the Jeets instead: Nagarjuna, Aryadeva, Chandrakirti, Shantaraksita

[Anonymous No.19682014]

>>19679248
>a chubby 28 year old
Don't settle for chubby. There's more work to be done

[Anonymous No.19682340]

>>19679205
Back in college I had a girl friend who was super high IQ in math. Her brain actually processed faster than mine, it was crazy how apparent it was, because we did a lot of classes and work together, and I could FEEL the difference as she would finish everything seconds faster than me. But in everything else she seemed retarded. Her general knowledge, cutlure, tastes and opinions were very shallow, even normie tier. She came off as someone who could perform any task, but would never utter or have a profound thought in her life, and not even be self-conscious about it. Maybe it's not about intelligence but men and women are wired differently?

[Anonymous No.19682663]

>>19679248
It's alright, anon. Just be attractive and it will all be much easier for you. Looksmaxxing is a valid option, and you seem to be in your late-20's which is a great time to looksmaxx. With a love of knowledge, you are probably already interested in aesthetics, and peering into your desires like a clock to see what makes them tick. Looksmaxxing, like anything practical, is partially theoretic, and partially application based. Since application is the work of other people primarily, who are paid for their services, it is merely your job to account for and research the theoretic end. I already did it, and you sound sufficiently intelligent to improve your looks as well. The only possible roadblock would be if you were some sort of ascetic who despised beauty and pleasure because of some arbitrary higher principles.

[Anonymous No.19682714]

>>19682340
No, she had a high reasoning ability, but a high reasoning ability doesn't imply necessarily good judgment, for good judgment requires good premises, but proper selection of premises requires experience from which to induce the proper premises. Someone like that can't say much about aesthetics and art if they haven't already had a wide range of experience engaging in art, but if she had then she would produce good judgments regarding art. You remarked that her general knowledge was really low, so this confirms what I am saying above. General knowledge is distinct from the processing ability which she had in superfluidity.

[Anonymous No.19682745]

>>19682340
>>19682714
>i was outsmarted but I'm still better
cope

[Anonymous No.19682760]

>>19679177
>If there is no truth, then anything is truth. It's your decision as to what is or isn't true.
If it was my decision to what was and wasn't true, then it would be my decision to what was and wasn't real, which is absurd because it would make me omnipotent , and I am not omnipotent. Not only that, but you are confusing truth with knowledge in your first propositon when you say if there is no truth, then anything is truth. For if there was actually no truth, then that there was no truth would imply that the porposition "there is no truth" would be true, generating a contradiction. Not only that, but saying that there is no truth implies anything is true is absurd, for that would imply then that there are no propositions (since if there is no truth, then anything is true, if it was true, could only be so if "anything" referred to an empty set, since if the set was full with one item, then the truth of that item would imply that there isn't no truths, which would contradict the initial implication), which is absurd (because the proposition "if there is no truth, then anything is truth" is a proposition). I suggest you look over your own thinking, specifically in instances where you utilize the word truth, for there you will discover incorrect equivalencies with knowledge, which is a quite common error.

[Anonymous No.19682774]

>>19682745
I never implied generall knowledge was better than processing ability, for processing ability without knowledge is as useless as knowledge without processing ability. The former gives you mathematical knowledge that is inapplicaple, the latter gives you empirical knowledge that is ungeneralizable in their extremes.

[Anonymous No.19682799]

>>19682340
That’s just the fact that people who are smart in some areas often tend to be retarded in others.

Using myself as an example, I’m qualified to talk about history, the arts, culture, politics etc., but I’m actually retarded when it comes to STEM related stuff.

[Anonymous No.19682803]

>>19678815
It’s probably more that there are just as many intelligent women as men but they simply don’t care enough about anything besides interpersonal relationships to actually follow their interests beyond the surface level in the autistic way men do

[Anonymous No.19682811]

>>19682799
This is because you have a poor reasoning ability, but have aquired the relevant knowledge in the fields of history, art, and politics (lol, I doubt this one, no offence), to be able to talk with some sense.

[Anonymous No.19682861]

>>19682000
>Start with the Jeets instead
I'm actually reading the Upanishads right now. I'll check them out

[Anonymous No.19682910]

>>19677272
It doesn't mean she's obsessed with everything. I like Philosophy and I don't know Spinoza. It just means she likes being deep sometimes.

[Anonymous No.19682916]

>>19677402
Pleb

[Anonymous No.19682920]

>>19677628
This. Unironically

[Anonymous No.19682972]

>>19677272
does anyone have pics of that woman reading ethics in a lawn chair during summer in like spain one summer before masturbating? i forget who shot it
also, OP, spinoza is a deeply unsexy philosopher. you should have brought up Nietzsche or Deleuze or even fucking Marx instead. you might as well have brought up fucking Hume dude. you fucked up

[Anonymous No.19682986]

>>19677272
You took a woman at face value

[Anonymous No.19682996]

>>19682861
Even if you stick with the theistic jeets, those I mentioned all come between the Upanishads and the Vedanta theologians chronologically in the history of Indian philosophical thought

[Anonymous No.19683000]

>>19682972
>Deleuze and Hume are sexier than Spinoza
Spinoza has mystique and inherent big dick energy due to being in between the greeks and romans and before the enlightenment and rennaisance while also being a dogmatist with the power to undermine philosophers from both eras.

[Anonymous No.19683009]

>>19683000
>in between the greeks and romans and before the enlightenment and rennaisance
I mean after classical and before enlightenment/rennaisance

[Anonymous No.19683035]

>>19683000
checked, but
>mathematical rationalism is somehow sexy
i remember lending my copy of ethics to a girlfriend that didn't turn me on anymore

[Anonymous No.19683064]

>>19683000
>Spinoza
>not even the greatest rationalist (pic rel)
>often described as a Cartesian philosopher (lmao)

[Anonymous No.19683118]

>>19683064
>je pense, donc je merde

[Anonymous No.19683127]

>>19683064
>Descartes
>Greatest rationalist
Descartes is just disappointing and ends up being total weak sauce

[Anonymous No.19683155]

>>19683118
>>19683127
Forever cucked by Gargantuan(and Pantagruelian)-dicked René

[Anonymous No.19683166]

>>19683155
anon it's just for the keks
>Gargantuan(and Pantagruelian)
good /lit/ on this?
i think rene gets very misunderstood honestly so i want to be uncucked fren

[Anonymous No.19683218]

>>19683166
>just for the keks
I’m just bantering myself
>good /lit/ on this?
The Life of Gargantua and of Pantagruel by Rabelais
>misunderstood
He certainly seems to get a bad rep these days. Cartesian is almost used as an insult by some people.

[Anonymous No.19683278]

>>19683218
>Cartesian is almost used as an insult by some people
yea it's been used on /lit/ for mentioning 'after finitude' to other anons. I think it's because of descartes' overarching influence on rationalism leading into the enlightenment. but it's possible rene was more mystical then meets the rationale.

[Anonymous No.19683402]

>>19678370
LONDON
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[Anonymous No.19683549]

>>19683278
descartes sucks ass. only low IQ programmers take him seriously

[Anonymous No.19683638]

>>19683278
>>19683549
He was prompted to geometrize the world by a series of dreams that he interpreted as divine intervention correcting his path.
>fruit
>storms/lightning
>silence

[Anonymous No.19683656]

>>19679153
Read Clarel. Melville calls Spinoza a Jew.

>>19679362
>but it was a bf who lasted for a summer before I dumped him
I had a summer romance once. I told her I got into a car accident and had to recover in Massachusetts so I didn't have to see her again. Now, I have no problems ending it directly.

>>19679102
>Where bro?
There's some freshman at some of the better colleges that haven't been tainted yet. Try NYU or Columbia Freshman and sophomores.

[Anonymous No.19684430]

>>19679476
>western philosophy is a footnote of Plato

[Anonymous No.19684531]

>>19679248
I refuse to degrade myself. If I were to go on tinder I would have these women that are so far below me that it isn't even funny swiping reject on me (i don't if it's left or right). That don't deserve to even have to chance to reject me. They are cattle.

[Anonymous No.19684654]

>>19683549
*low level

[Anonymous No.19684704]

>>19679476
classical civs are the cornerstones of all western knowledge so once you learn a lot about them you will start knowing the genealogies of all our modern day institutions (aside from a few rare exceptions like the university being medieval), studying classics gives you a self-contained tour of all sciences (greeks founded natural science) philosophies (greeks invented all philosophical positions and systems) and social sciences (philology history sociology anthropology and even legal philosophy are necessary for understanding classical civs so you can branch off into any and at least experience all of them), it's a fun hobby you can add to and share with others across your whole life, and it's a good litmus test for whether you can take something seriously enough to transform yourself since you can't bullshit your way through it, unlike learning japanese for ten years with nothing to show for it or having encyclopedic knowledge of some video game lore nobody gives a fuck about

[Anonymous No.19684881]

>>19677272
she has anti continental predjuices, you should have talked about russell instead

[Anonymous No.19684962]

>>19684704
>it's a good litmus test for whether you can take something seriously enough to transform yourself
youve convinced me, thanks

[Anonymous No.19685132]

>>19678832
Nascar is one of the few philosophically enriching mediums still extant in popular culture

[Anonymous No.19685226]

>>19684881
Kek, best take
"Fuck! She was an analytical, I blew it!"

[Anonymous No.19685233]

>>19682799
Checked, but if you can't do STEM (math in particular), you're retarded. I'm sorry anon.
>t. math degree

[Anonymous No.19685240]

>>19681237
Might give that a watch, actually

[Anonymous No.19685504]

I created a tinder profile but got no matches. Using the app makes me physically cringe, I can't bring myself to write a bio or upload pictures that aren't basic selfies. It's so disingenuous and artificial and I don't mean this in a pretentious way at all, it just gives me the same impression as linkedin or writing resumes: trying to sell some image of myself and pretending it's natural and spontaneous.
Reading this thread gives me a little hope because I see I'm not alone in my alienation. Fucking prostitutes does nothing for me and I don't think I'll ever go out of my way to talk to real women, I'm just going to delete tinder and accept a solitary life. I think it's better than the alternative. My mistake was to assume reality would match my imagination.

[Anonymous No.19685594]

>>19680258
>bullshit, but if all your thoughts are as lame as your post then I'm unironically not surprised that this is your actual experience
really? do you have anything else to answer instead of being offended because it's not what you want to hear?

[Anonymous No.19685662]

>>19677272
I have a feeling that many here would not be happy if they actually found someone as or more intelligent than themself, because then they would not be able to mantain the sense of superiority ... Learn to enjoy people in more than one way. None of us are complete. Others do not have to be like myself. As Ive grown up I find myself more and more taking enjoyment and amusement in other's distinctiveness, rather than letting differences get to me its more fun to just quietly observe.

[Anonymous No.19685760]

Since this is somewhat of a Spinoza thread and I need help, any french anons able to assist me? I'm reading Brunschvicg's ""La logique de Spinoza" and I'm not quite sure what he means when he writes l'esprit? My first instinct is spirit, yet my dictionary says it could be "reason". Why not use "la raison" instead? Is there a reason why l'esprit is put instead of la raison? Thanks

[Anonymous No.19685787]

>>19684430
I'd go one step further and say Western philosophy is a bastardization of Plato

[Anonymous No.19685834]

You need to seek the divine feminine instead of seeking women

[Anonymous No.19685959]

>Go on bumble date with girl who says “I live hot chocolate”
>Go to Café
>She doesn’t order a hot chocolate
>I never text her back

[Anonymous No.19686014]

>>19685959
Why would she order hot chocolate when she lives it?

[Anonymous No.19686192]

>>19679248
The ultimate blackpill is that highly-intelligent, attractive women with autotelic interests in wide-ranging discussions do exist, they're just taken. My girlfriend doesn't suspect a thing, I have made sure to work a healthy bit of dread into our relationship to keep her here. I apply redpill tactics fairly well and she hasn't changed one iota since we met a year ago. Why do I do this? Because on the inside, I am absolutely terrified of losing her. If she leaves, all there's left for me is void. Anyway, back to "amused mastery" or whatever those Patrick Batemans call it.

[Anonymous No.19686203]

>>19686192
I should mention that she has ADHD and likely mild aspergers. Both her brothers do, both also scored 140 on their IQ tests. She solves logic puzzles on her ipad when she gets bored. Fucking logic puzzles, bros. I'm 20 years old and I've found my future wife. She was a kissless virgin when she met me too. By all measures she should be built like a shithouse, but she's gorgeous. If my past experiences are any tell, she's been put here as a sort of carrot on a stick by the devil. She's literally the best girl I could ever ask for. I just wish I didn't feel the absolute need to "discipline" her, but I know how women are. Let your guard down and you've lost her clit and eventually her heart (source of all college-educated divorce)

[Anonymous No.19686224]

>>19686203
I'm biting the bait, but you're living the dream anon

[Anonymous No.19686283]

>>19686203
>tfw not college educated
>tfw will never stumble upon a cute sperg genius gf

[Anonymous No.19686316]

>>19686224
Ha. There's a catch; long-distance. Her parents don't like me. I'm a med student, which is the only reason I was allowed in the house in the first place. She's my best mate's pseudo-cousin (mom's best friend's daughter) and that gossiping housebound iranian cunt told her all about my little escapades the first moment she knew about her and me. I'm looking at about 5 years of long distance. I have options, albeit none as remotely appealing as her. I'm basically abstaining from ever fucking another woman again and I'm twenty. There's a catch to everything, anon. I'm not very happy.

[Anonymous No.19686323]

>>19686283
Find worthwhile male friends. You realize that looking for both a best friend and a fuckbuddy in the same woman is a recipe to disaster, right? You'll never find her, first of all. Secondly, if you do, you'll be walking the thin line between lover and provider, alpha and beta, for the rest of your adult life. Get it out of your head. Watch less cartoons.

[Anonymous No.19686342]

>>19686323
Eh I'll just give up then, doesn't matter, I knew it was impossible anyway. Reality is shit.

[Anonymous No.19686378]

>>19686342
>Reality is shit
and let that shit fester, i want to see what these flowers have to offer

[Anonymous No.19686413]

>>19686342
Be upset, but not depressed or defeatist. Be angry, very fucking angry. Anger and jealousy are noble, purposeful moods men have evolved to feel intensely. Why? To drive us to what the species wants, which is what makes us happy, powerful. The incel attitude is a woman's attitude. The world OUGHT to want to fulfill my needs. Sounds like a tubby on twitter.

[Anonymous No.19686445]

>>19686342
No, you'll never reach an "ideal" by the very fact of it being... ideal. And if you actually do, you'll have moved beyond it already. Ideals are a modern construct, they're horseshit. People much more "aware" and much harder done by than you have found fulfillment. Success is relative, find friends. Friends are more important than any romantic love. Part of the reason I got into this mess (fell in love with her) is that she scratched my itch for philosophical bloviating that no-one else at the time could.

[Anonymous No.19686446]

>>19686413
I don't have an angry temperament. If something doesn't go my way I don't get mad, I just detach and become bitter

[Anonymous No.19686450]

>>19686445
The main issue is that I don't like being around people, I don't want friends and every time I had friends it would cause me stress and anguish so I ended up burning all my bridges. However I know that getting a woman without having friends is impossible so there you have it.

[Anonymous No.19686458]

>>19686446
If that's truly the case, you need to get your testosterone checked. No, I'm not being snarcky. Lift, run, take zinc, magnesium, vitamin D, sleep 11pm latest, reserve one day a week to waste on 4chan and no more, keep wanking to twice a week without porn.

[Anonymous No.19686468]

>>19686458
And of this all sounds like empty, futile cope, that's because it is. Everything is. The key is to find a cope that makes you feel like a crisp gust of morning wind. Right now, you probably feel more like someone's been fucking your brain for the last 5 years.

[Anonymous No.19686470]

>>19686458
I have a healthy lifestyle, highly doubt my T levels are low. And why would I care anyway? This guy is right >>19686468

[Anonymous No.19686476]

>>19677272
>match with girl
>she's in my area
>"i'm lookin for someone to meet this evening"
>i reply: i see oh well good luck though!
i didn't know that she meant me

[Anonymous No.19686490]

>>19686470
I wrote both of those. You seem to misunderstand; no, by any rational measure, life is not worth living. But you don't have "life", you have your own personal, subjective experience of it. Your attitude to life is a physiological response, nothing more. Your brain does nothing of it's own merit. Your every thought, sentiment, value is bodily.

The decision to abscond life is as unjustifiable as the decision to live it actively, to take risks. The difference is, one concludes in early death, the other is preceded by more joy than you're currently able to conceive of.

[Anonymous No.19686501]

>>19686490
>one concludes in early death
I'd like that.
The other possibility doesn't seem like it would work for me. I think I might be fucked up somewhat even if it doesn't come from testosterone

[Anonymous No.19686514]

>>19677272
>I have a feeling that many here would not be happy if they actually found someone as or more intelligent than themself

We're all retards anon. Nobody smart would lose their valuable time posting on an online anime imageboard.

We're used to it.

[Anonymous No.19686825]

>>19686514
>tfw used to be smart and was doing a PhD after getting a Cum Laude Master
>Had mental breakdown and havent been able to complete anything for almost a decade now

[Anonymous No.19687207]

>>19679248
i only swipe right on thin sexy girls

[Anonymous No.19687241]

>>19686316
>There's a catch; long-distance.
someone tell him

[Anonymous No.19688079]

>>19686316
> I'm a med student, which is the only reason I was allowed in the house in the first place
With that kind of family what exactly what are you hoping for? Also why do you have to wait 5 years?

> I'm basically abstaining from ever fucking another woman again and I'm twenty
You will not be able to sustain that I'm afraid. Be open with her about it, because I'm sure she won't be able to do it either.

[Anonymous No.19688283]

>>19683656
>NYU

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.19688298]

>>19677595
lmao is this fucking real

[Anonymous No.19688342]

>>19685504
i can't tell you the physical cringe ever gets better, frankly i am still a little shocked in hindsight that i managed to overcome initially feeling how you feel about it now. the phoniness of uploading dishonest, douchey, effeminate pictures of myself posing like a JC Penny catalog homo was so foreign to all my values. also, it felt like a world i normally avoid as simply alien to myself, normalfag world, was suddenly enveloping me and ripping me apart at a constituent level, like i was falling into a black hole of normieness. the only feeling that comes close to this is when i watch "tiktok" videos and i think, are these people even the same species as me? this is like watching a race of cokehead space aliens who based their entire culture on how people move and act in mid-2000s pixar movies. that's how tinder made me feel too at first.

it's a little scary to me that i became numb to this. does that mean i was transformed into a normie? i'm not going to tell you "it gets better, you are just an incel now, you will learn to like being a normie" because i sure as hell never did. everything about their mannerisms and their whole way of life, as i think i brushed against it in having to adjust to dating apps, and having to blunt my own negative reactions to them, is still horrifying to me, and every foray into that world to get a date with some moron woman was a unique "fuck my life, here i go again," rolling up my sleeves and taking a deep breath sort of affair.

but i do want to tell you that somehow, and i literally don't know how, it's still possible to find a semi-normal woman in spite of all this. don't completely close yourself off. i know that sounds like the most useless advice ever, but i figure since the only other perspectives you're likely to hear are full MGTOW rejection of normies or full normalfag propaganda and shaming you for being an incel, it might still be useful to hear.

i don't even know what i'd advise at this point. i don't want people to lower their standards to accept whores who never had to adjust their own or be realistic themselves. i don't want "incels" to humiliate themselves by submitting to normalfaggotry. but somehow, losing all hope or closing off due to bitterness is still wrong.

i'm not sure if wading through the muck and learning to numb yourself and tolerate the dating app scene is the answer. maybe just remaining open and approaching decent women in person, while having low expectations, is the ideal? or maybe using the apps but having such a powerful center of gravity, sense of self, and a calm gentle form of unwavering self-respect, would make it tolerable. that would involve an iron will, since you'd have to get used to rejecting women of low character in a way that isn't spiteful or reactionary, but authentic. and that would require not craving or expecting anything from them, because that's how you make exceptions and concessions to your own will.

[Anonymous No.19688386]

>>19688342
i just want to add to this, that if your instinctive feeling when trying to get into dating apps or social media is "why is everyone but me a fake smiling, fake personality and fake hobby having, shallow, perpetually distracted, borderline psychotic tiktok using freak whose life revolves around conspicuous consumption, why does everyone want to look like a GAP commercial? why do these people go on seven vacations a year but know nothing about anything that isn't on netflix, why are they limited to shallow, monosyllabic expressions of emotion and desire, despite apparently going to a private college for 8 years?" etc. you are normal.

but if you live on 4chan, it's easy to develop the suspicion that they are normal, and you are weird. then when you look down at yourself and everything about you feels "incidental" in comparison to their glossy, gaudy, but integrated and dynamic lifestyles and joie de vivre, you feel like you're some kind of gray shabby underground man to their above-ground race of normal healthy shiny people. women, being naturally more social and bubbly, then seem like the natural dwellers of the natural realm of naturally happy healthy normal shiny people.

if you fall prey to this illusion, you will create a false dichotomy between being Accepted by the surface-dwellers or remaining underground. in reality though there is no such dichotomy, or rather this dichotomy is a collective illusion forced on our society and times because normies were never meant to function like this, they are schizophrenic and just trying to hold together as best they can, by imitating shit they saw in TV commercials, because TV commercials are the closest thing to a religion they still have.

you need to grow as a person until you're big enough that you can encompass all the contradictions and partial truths of both the shiny happy normie world and the incel PUA MGTOW world while being a citizen of neither. paradoxically, once you do this, you often begin to attract friends and women from both.

[Anonymous No.19688395]

>>19688342
>>19688386
Good posts
Personally I've entirely given up and want neither friends nor a girlfriend but for someone who wants companionship I'd wager that what you said is the best way of approaching the normalfag world with a good mindset while still retaining a modicum of integrity