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[Anonymous No.19674547]

Unending War edition

Previous Thread:>>19664025

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[Anonymous No.19674565]

>>19674547
How is Black Company after the first three books?

[Anonymous No.19674572]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19674574]

[Anonymous No.19674578]

>>19674572
The hero we need but don't deserve

[Anonymous No.19674601]

>>19674572
the hero we deserve but don't need

[Anonymous No.19674603]

I hate this book. Boring. I thought it would go into how the Overlords exerted power over the Earth, but it doesn't say a word about it. Instead it just says they exerted power, and it says this ALL THE FUCKING TIME, and yet you're just supposed to take the author's word for it.

[Anonymous No.19674607]

>>19674578
>>19674601
the duality of man

[Anonymous No.19674608]

>the hero we deserve but don't need

[Anonymous No.19674613]

>>19674517
You dumb fucking cretin, you fucking fool, absolute fucking buffoon, you bumbling idiot.

[Anonymous No.19674618]

>>19674572
The manchild nigger we don't need

[Anonymous No.19674643]

>>19674534
Mostly I just wanted to post something.

>>19674542
yikes

[Anonymous No.19674644]

Is this a good book?

[Anonymous No.19674647]

>>19674644
That's sick, he can't keep getting away with his book reivews...

[Anonymous No.19674659]

>>19672833
>>19673417
>>19673437

[Anonymous No.19674731]

There is only the 3 Prince of Nothing books translated to my native language. Should I bother if I won't read the rest?
Even though I could in theory read a book in English, I's been some time since I did that so I wouldn't enjoy it unless it was an easy read. Thus I am stuck with translations.

[Anonymous No.19674739]

I'm so goddamn tired of authors using rape as an emotional cudgel.

Is there a more obvious way an author can display the limits of their talent than trying to shock the reader into an emotional response?

[Anonymous No.19674741]

>>19674731
really good books imo not sure about the translation quality.

definitely not an easy read in english. The first 3 books form a trilogy that ends pretty satisfactorily imo.

[Anonymous No.19674748]

>>19674739
>I'm so goddamn tired of readers thinking that rape is an emotional cudgel.

Listen, if the narrative reaches a point where rape is logical, there's gonna be rape, alright?

[Anonymous No.19674749]

>>19674731
Bakker’s prose is challenging even for native English speakers. That’s one of the reasons he filters so many here. I think it might be worth the difficulty though. Maybe read the first three in your native tongue. Then see if you are up for reading the last four in English. Where are you from fren?

[Anonymous No.19674755]

>>19674739
Novels are a form of mind control if you haven't realized yet

[Anonymous No.19674756]

>>19674547
Just picked up the first law trilogy, I love it so far why did no one tell me about this before? The way he describes logen nine fingers barbaric rage killing sprees and the scenes where they sit at the war tables talking is kino. The main characters are pretty chad except for maybe Jezal Dan Luther but he seems to be getting to chad status.

[Anonymous No.19674761]

>>19674613
fixed

[Anonymous No.19674763]

>>19674756
>why did no one tell me about this before?
Because it's not 2007 anymore and every and their mother has already read those books.

[Anonymous No.19674764]

>>19674749
Yeah I know that would be pointless then. If I wanna one day get used to English books I should get used to something easier first.
Anyway, gotta finish my Dune first before Bakker
>Where are you from fren?
Czech republic

[Anonymous No.19674766]

>>19674748
But anon the author determines where the narrative goes.

I've seen rape portrayed in a way that wasn't a blunt instrument, doesn't mean I'm a fan, but I also didn't drop those books immediately as I have with some that were obviously shoehorned in by an emotional toddler.

[Anonymous No.19674768]

>>19674731
i would advise you to start reading as many english books as you can, maybe go for something easier to read first if what you ar elooking at now seems too complex, or just go for it and reread them 3 years from now.

the sooner you gain mastery of english, the sooner you will be able to read other books in its original language as they were intended (which is often english). at first i missed lots of things in the books i read, sometimes they were important and caused me to get called a faggot in these threads, but now i read english almost as fast as my own language and almost never find words that i don't know

[Anonymous No.19674774]

>>19674755
Equating words to things they aren't is the purview of trannies and Californians.
Slippery slope.

[Anonymous No.19674782]

>>19674739
>I'm so goddamn tired of authors using death, sex, war, hate, love, family, crime... as an emotional cudgel. just write about how many mana points it takes to cast a spell and what the swords look like

[Anonymous No.19674788]

>>19674768
>in its original language as they were intended
This is what always pains me, that I'm not getting it in its best raw form and some of the great writing may get lost. Thanks for the encouragement.
I always found it a hassle that I would have to look up a word mid sentence. Do you just go along and hope that eventually you will learn the new word from the context or should I better look it up? I know Kindle has something for fast look up, as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.19674793]

>>19674739
Ok Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.19674798]

>>19674782
That's a big strawman.

[Anonymous No.19674805]

>>19674774
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.19674807]

>>19674798
4U

[Anonymous No.19674816]

>>19674805
We aren't arguing anon.

[Anonymous No.19674821]

>>19674739
>Beheadings, torture, thousands drafted in into an army just to be smoked by some dragon it space laser. Ok.
>Raep.
>Nooooo! Not the heckin holerinos! It was cool when a main male character had a knife shoved into him ten pages ago but this is psychopathic. You can't just take the holes, it's worse than death! It's were all worth and soul comes from.

[Anonymous No.19674831]

>>19674788
at first it will be sometimes frustating but you'll need to do it sonner or later, so do it now. your only regret will be that you didn't do it sooner

personally i never looked up words unless they were necessary to understand the whole sentence or something like that, mostly i got away with understanding the context and feeling of what's happening. but idk your english level, maybe it's fine for you to look words up. i don't use kindle so can't say anything about that look up thing you mention, but if you are not sure just go for easier books first, or books that you aren't too invested in so as not to worry about missing things

[Anonymous No.19674832]

>>19674816
Yes we were

[Anonymous No.19674837]

>>19674821
refer to >>19674798

That said, I actually do think that rape is worse than murder for two reasons; it's generally portrayed happening to women, which I am predisposed to have protective feelings for, and it's a form of psychological torture.

[Anonymous No.19674838]

>>19674816
Yes we are, fuck off brainlet

[Anonymous No.19674842]

>>19674832
But I didn't disagree with you tho
you didn't disagree with me either

[Anonymous No.19674846]

2022 /sffg/ is off to a fine start, I see.

[Anonymous No.19674847]

>>19674838
see >>19674842

[Anonymous No.19674867]

>>19674837
>it's generally portrayed happening to women
I wonder why

[Anonymous No.19674871]

>>19674867
>women can fight bottom text
but how?

[Anonymous No.19674878]

>>19674837
bro get a sense of scale, i'd rather get psychologically tortured a bit than die. or what do you mean worse? like aesthetically?

[Anonymous No.19674882]

>>19673417
>>19673417

Kellhus doesn't fuck up from compassion at the end of TUC. If you reread the head on the pole scenes, it appears that he is planning for the plot that unrolled, but he at least seems sad about it.

It's both a cool twist, and a bad one. Many readers obviously glossed over all the hints about what the ending meant ( they are fairly direct but also spread out, I think the head on a pole scene that makes it most clear might even be in Book 3), and were unhappy with it.

Depending on how far Bakker takes the German Idealism influence, the "
defective" traits, loving another, i.e. recognizing the self in an absolute other, is actually essential for progress towards the Absolute. I think it's fitting the Dunyain turbo autism would end in the turbo autism of the Germs, and the Boehme influence would work with his magic system.

But who knows.

The ending is great, and also shit because it degrades most of what happens to just more of the world being shit and people not being aware of what was going on, because the real fight was always Outside, and/or against the darkness, not what the various armies fight.

[Anonymous No.19674885]

>>19674878
no, I bet it's one of those people who prefer dying to torture and having a chance at recover or at least a revenge

[Anonymous No.19674886]

>>19674871
women can't fight
you can't rape a man

[Anonymous No.19674889]

>>19674842
Yes we did disagree

[Anonymous No.19674890]

>>19674837
Spoken like a true white knight cuck faggot

[Anonymous No.19674901]

>>19674886
>you can't rape a man
Ok it's an extreme case but I bet you can. Imagine you wake up tied up to see a 200 kg filthy disease ridden niggress who drugged your or whatever and she is preparing to sit on you. That is a torture and rape.

[Anonymous No.19674914]

>>19674867
Because it's more shocking that way.

>>19674878
Worse in total negative effect. The aftermath of torture is worse for everyone involved than the aftermath of death.

>>19674889
Okay.

[Anonymous No.19674919]

>>19674901
and how is that gonna happen in a fantasy setting dumbass? Most fantasy settings are medieval based

[Anonymous No.19674920]

>>19674919
doesn't current fantasy now include niggers as a must?

[Anonymous No.19674922]

>>19674890
>spoken like a (string of buzzwords)
Breh, go touch some grass. Make sure to tell your dad and your uncles all about how you are fighting for men's rights by not becoming a cuck faggot that takes care of women lmao

[Anonymous No.19674927]

>>19674922
Still a faggot

[Anonymous No.19674928]

>>19674901
>>19674919
What I'm saying is having some magical snake rape a guy is believable, but having a woman rape his requires too many things to happen just right to be even possible. You have to justify it and build up to it
meanwhile a man can just jump some random woman and stuff a rag in her mouth. Job done

[Anonymous No.19674934]

>>19674928
I got ya. But men can also get raped by a man.

[Anonymous No.19674935]

>>19674886
You definetly can rape a man. Case in point: Beserk obviously has tons of gratuitous violence, that's kind of its MO, and the monsters are pretty damn raped, even when it doesn't really affect the plot (e.g. that first Apostle Guts beats before the Eclipse ripping Casca's clothes off).

Guts gets raped as a kid by some soldier. Then he also has Slaan paralyze him and try to rape him while being made of animated troll intestines. Either seems like rape, although in the second the demon is "female."

[Anonymous No.19674941]

>>19674935
>some soldier
Donovan. His name was Donovan and he paid for the right to do it fair and square.

[Anonymous No.19674946]

>>19674739
You need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.19674949]

>>19674934
oh yeah I'd like to see that in a book. Would be funny

[Anonymous No.19674956]

>>19674935
Berserk is manga/anime. It's nothing to do with /lit/

[Anonymous No.19674964]

>>19674882
I agree, it's fairly obvious that Kellhus was always in control.

But I don't understand on why people hate how the UC ended. The series is literally called "The Second Apocalypse" after all. It's not surprising.

[Anonymous No.19674976]

Lots of underage and retards here

[Anonymous No.19674981]

>>19674976
but enough about you, sir

[Anonymous No.19674995]

Why is Philip K Dick so hard to read? I actually managed to read A Scanner Darkly but didn't understand everything. Tried to read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep but gave up. Might try again, making notes and/ or reading chapter summaries alongside.

[Anonymous No.19675001]

>>19674995
>Why is Dick so hard
teehee

[Anonymous No.19675031]

>>19674995
his prose is pretty wack, I've always found his books hard to follow, you are not alone.

[Anonymous No.19675069]

>>19674995

[Anonymous No.19675074]

>>19674964
I sort of agree. Kellhus having achieved DBZ level sorcerery does make everyone else's actions at the end, and really across the series, kind of pointless.

[Anonymous No.19675082]

>>19675074
Kellhus has no compassion for anyone, that's another thing that people get wrong. It's a means to tap into Cishaurim sorcery.

[Anonymous No.19675297]

>>19674995
>Dick so hard

[Anonymous No.19675390]

>>19674764
>has already read those books.
That's never true regardless of the book.

[Anonymous No.19675395]

>>19674763
>has already read those books.
That's never true regardless of the book.

[Anonymous No.19675397]

>>19674565
I liked the fourth one. Ended on a pretty obnoxious cliffhanger and I haven't gotten around to number 5 yet.

[Anonymous No.19675438]

>>19674565
It gets sort of meta in the later ones but never stops being entertaining. I'll read almost anything Glen Cook puts out though.

[Anonymous No.19675464]

>>19675438
I actually find dread empire better than the black company. I like them both but Dread flowed better for me.

[Anonymous No.19675465]

>>19674565
I thought it got sort of hackneyed after book 2. More like the rest of the genre. Not bad if you're a fantasy fan, but a step down. The first two were exceptional, just great tone and atmosphere, even if the 80s tropes, Raven being so super cool, a powerful mage named Souleater, etc. do come across as dated and over the top, the first books are still exceptional.

I read through book four. Not sure about later ones.

[Anonymous No.19675467]

>>19673413
>brief, emotional negativity gets engagement like nothing else
and thus did the algorithms obey this dictum.

>what in particular did you like about Permutation City?
>Maybe it's simply that the book describes going through the process of an insane idea that has to be taken on faith step-by-step
>>/lit/thread/S17357377#p17357598
Simply that it's so interesting. It's possibly the best novel I've read that involves science in a intriguing way that doesn't go too far to where I'm entirely lost. It was just so much fun. I don't know specifically what else really to say. I'm more about the whole than specific scenes, though spectacularly disagreeable scenes can ruin a book for me, or at least make me less it much less overall.

[Anonymous No.19675528]

>>19675464
Yeah, Black Company is overrated in a lot of ways. I think it was in the right place at the right time to make a lot of prominent reading lists, but it isn't Cook's magnum opus or anything.

[Anonymous No.19675568]

Just starting the last Song of the Lioness books and they're cute. Completely mindless quick reads, but competent enough. Tidy little magic system.

[Anonymous No.19675742]

Yes, I read Cradle. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.19675814]

>>>/tv/161653320
/tv/ is making fun of us again.

[Anonymous No.19675818]

>>19675814
>bakkerfaggotry
As they should.

[Anonymous No.19675819]

>>19674603
It's The Exorcist of science fiction books. All built around some weird catholic fear gimmick that aged like dirt.

[Anonymous No.19675845]

>>19674603
(((Golden Age)))

[Anonymous No.19675903]

>I Have X

Literally low IQ.

[Anonymous No.19675951]

>>19675845
nwf, thats worst berserk arc

[Anonymous No.19676056]

>>19675845
The only good big name of those lot was Heinlein, and only barely.

[Anonymous No.19676108]

I finished Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight, and I have to say I'm unimpressed. 6/10 at best. It's what Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn would have been if Tad Williams could write himself out of a paper bag. I'm definitely not getting into his books of the Sun/Urth now.

[Anonymous No.19676109]

>>19676056
Heinlein never wrote a really good adult novel; his best work is YA and short stories.

Bester and Sturgeon were great writers if you consider them "big names". Fred Pohl was a good writer but only after the Golden Age was over.

[Anonymous No.19676120]

>>19676108
Fifth Head of Cerberus, BOTNS and Island of Doctor Death And Other Stories And Other Stories are all very much worth reading.

[Anonymous No.19676196]

>>19676120
The Death of Dr. Island is the only thing by Wolfe that I've really enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.19676241]

Hello.

[Anonymous No.19676291]

>>19676196
then you need to read more of wolfe

[Anonymous No.19676317]

>>19676241
is it worth reading the 12 History of Middle Earth books? I'm sort of interested in them after Silmarillion

[Anonymous No.19676325]

>>19676291
I don't think I will

[Anonymous No.19676327]

>>19676109
When I think of the "Golden Age" it just brings to mind Heinlein, Clarke and Asimov.

[Anonymous No.19676348]

>>19676317
They are about the writings of Tolkien and how they were adapted into The Silmarillion. If you want "behind the scenes" literature then it's pretty great.

It's not the history of middle earth in universe, but more in the sense of the history of how middle earth came to be written.

[Anonymous No.19676353]

>>19676241
Mae govannen, mellon nin.

[Anonymous No.19676371]

>>19676353
Anyone else got the feeling while watching the hobbit that it was scraped together from pre-production assets for a Silmarillion movie that never happened? The elf-cave lair was more Menegroth than Thranduil's domain imo.

[Anonymous No.19676409]

>>19676327
You only have two people on that pic.

[Anonymous No.19676418]

>>19676409
The rest of the pic isn't really relevent to the posts above.

[Anonymous No.19676426]

>>19676327
This is literally fake news, at least the parts about Asimov. IDK about the other guy.

[Anonymous No.19676431]

>>19676327
>>19676418
>"The question then is not whether or not a girl should be touched. The question is merely where, when, and how she should be touched."
>was asked to host a lecture on sexual harassment techniques titled The Positive Power of Posterior Pinching
living the dream

[Anonymous No.19676438]

>>19676431
>Edward L. Ferman, long-time editor of The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction who wrote "... instead of shaking my date's hand, he shook her left breast"
dude was a living greentext story

[Anonymous No.19676519]

>>19674949
Oh boy do I have a book series for you

[Anonymous No.19676535]

>>19676418
Based Pulpchads.

[Anonymous No.19676555]

>>19676535
PULPA

[Anonymous No.19676807]

If I just skip to the final 3 expanse books after watching the tv show how much realistically would I miss?

[Anonymous No.19676849]

Does anyone have a link to the mega sci fi collection? Yes I see the torrent, that's not what I'm looking for

[Anonymous No.19676862]

>>19676849
yea i got a bunch in my room

[Anonymous No.19676869]

Kek

[Anonymous No.19676879]

>>19676849
nvm im dumb, just check out the thread linked in OP

[Anonymous No.19676945]

>>19676879
Yeah you are dumb.

[Anonymous No.19676957]

>>19676879
lmao loook a this duude

[Anonymous No.19676973]

>>19676945
>>19676957
why are you guys being such jerks?

[Anonymous No.19676980]

Damn, posted at the very end of the last thread, guess I'll repost:

Something I kind of missed this in the second Darkness That Comes Before series the first time. So obviously the Gods are only taken so seriously in Erwa. Many ignore their commandments. Akka doubts the damnation of sorcerers and is more concerned with the Consult/No God. It's an exceptional thing when the cultists of Yatwer actually start doing things. However, the last Cishaurim is very clearly aware of the Gods. The priestess/avatar of the Mother of Birth talks to him about how the Cishaurim have gone to the Outside, the Afterlife, and seen that mankind's souls are the food of the Gods, the world is a granary to deliver them souls to torture. I am pretty sure he refers to her, a God, as a Ciphrang too. And the Cishaurim are all about the Solitary God behind and above the Gods, more of an actual omnipotent being, an ontological creator, not just a demon with power in the world like the Hundred.

But, I didn't think of this when, hundreds of pages later (the second series needed some editing) Kellhus is now going off to the Outside, and is talking to Proyas about the God of Gods (sounds like the Solitary God). Now how does he do this? Does he have the magic of the Cishaurim? Or does he go using a different route.

I think it is the former now. The similarities are too coincidental. He seems to be doing Cishaurim magic that even Gnostics can't do (or else Akka would know about the Gods). Second, at the end of TUC, Kellhus has an absolute hideous, Ciphrang mark when Akka sees him. His sorcery is so powerful it's overwhelming. But then when he starts floating, he does so without saying magic words and that time Akka sees no mark. The Cishaurim also leave no mark.

So, I think this is supposed to be a hint that Kellhus has mastered the Cishaurim magic, but his father couldn't do shit with it because he lacked passion. I think this is foreshadowing that something very radical has shifted in Kellhus from the other Dunyain.

Now it could be that Ajokli was using him then, and that's how it worked. I don't think so though. I think Ajolki could only manifest in the Golden Room because it was Hell on Earth, just like the Ciphrang could once they got there.

You get very few looks inside at Kellhus in the second series, but in the one you do, he seems to genuinely believe in this alien God of Gods, but he's also described as a spider, but he also genuinely seems sad that he's about to have to execute a plan that will kill his wife and children and all his people. But IDK how sad, because he rapes Proyas right after that reflection.

Mastery of the magic means Kellhus has changed fairly radically though, since he's a passionless robot in the first books, although he gets a bit crazy after the whole Circumfix thing.

[Anonymous No.19677076]

>>19676980
How can your post be that long without exceeding the letter limit?

[Anonymous No.19677126]

Any good WHF novels that aren't Gotrek & Felix? No elves please I hate them with a burning passion.

[Anonymous No.19677153]

>>19677126
You could go with Time of Legends and skip the elf books.

[Anonymous No.19677160]

>>19677126
I was about to suggest the Orion trilogy but you are clearly too gay for it.

[Anonymous No.19677264]

>>19676980
The person who mentions the granary is Kellhus. He walked the outside, not the Cishaurim. Meppa might be an exception because as far as I recall, he was literally Resurrected.

How Kellhus goes to the Outside is still a mystery, but it is more than a little evident and almost certainly the truth that he tapped into Cishaurim sorcery. Why would he show affection the Esmi and others if this wasn't the case?

Have you read the False sun at the end of the Unholy Consult? It should clarify some of your questions if you pay enough attention.

[Anonymous No.19677297]

>>19677126
>WHF novels
are these worth reading?

[Anonymous No.19677321]

>>19677297
Only once you are totally out of other fantasy novels to read.

[Anonymous No.19677322]

>>19674837
this is fucking stupid

the thing is there's a such thing as justified murder. Only a fool would say otherwise, if someone is going to murder you or your loved ones and you take them out it's not only justified but absolutely the thing to do. Rape, on the other hand(actual rape, not "i got too drunk to remember what i did" or "you didn't renew consent every 30 seconds") doesn't really have any such justification. There's no valid excuse for forcing yourself on someone

[Anonymous No.19677332]

>>19677322
the definition of rape is "having sex with someone's daughter outside of marriage"
and even then I disagree. Obviously raping some women during wartime is fine

[Anonymous No.19677366]

>>19677332
What if the Chinese invade america, and a bunch of China-men run a train on your mom, granny, aunt and sister.

You probably would be in the corner fapping.

[Anonymous No.19677373]

>>19677322
this is fucking stupid

the thing is there's a such thing as justified rape. Only a fool would say otherwise, if someone is going to not have sex with you or touch your penis and you butter their biscuit it's not only justified but absolutely the thing to do. Murder, on the other hand(actual murder, not "i got too drunk to remember what i did" or "you didn't dodge my axe every 30 seconds") doesn't really have any such justification. There's no valid excuse for forcing death on someone

[Anonymous No.19677385]

>>19677332
We get it, you're 14 and this is your precious hour or two you're allowed on the family computer to vent about your hormonal frustrations.

[Anonymous No.19677403]

>>19677366
>you're american lmao
no
>universalism brooo
You dumb fucking cretin, you fucking fool, absolute fucking buffoon, you bumbling idiot.
everybody fights for their own thing. If I go to war I rape other people's women. If someone invades your country you kill them. Yes my people are the only ones that matter. I will do what's good for my people and I'll rape your grandma and your sister

[Anonymous No.19677409]

>>19677366
>BCC
hello, Chang!

[Anonymous No.19677412]

>>19677385
we get it. You're a w*man

[Anonymous No.19677438]

>>19677403
based

[Anonymous No.19677464]

Daily reminder that you are all literally posting on the Science Fiction and Fantasy thread. Everything we discuss here is pure fiction.

If you get triggered by anything a writer says, you are a literal moron.

[Anonymous No.19677476]

>>19677464
retard

[Anonymous No.19677496]

>>19677464
Nice kat.

[Anonymous No.19677700]

Genre fiction has no merit. Might as well just watch paint dry, grass grow.

[Anonymous No.19677741]

>>19674572
Why are you retards so obsessed with another watered-down Tolkien clone? Can't be anywhere near that good.

[Anonymous No.19677791]

>>19677741
Don't care, I never read Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.19677824]

>>19677791
Faggot autist

[Anonymous No.19677828]

>>19677824
No, not really. I just don't read shit authors.

[Anonymous No.19677857]

>>19677828
You read Bakker sooo... yes, you DO read shit authors

[Anonymous No.19677858]

>>19677828
>>19677791
Based.

[Anonymous No.19677865]

>>19677824
>Says the guy who judges an author before even reading his books.

[Anonymous No.19677869]

>>19677857
Didn't ask.

[Anonymous No.19677870]

Just finished Terry Pratchett's Hogfather. Pretty nice, light and comfy read. I wish there had been less Invisible University shenanigans and more Susan and Teatime, though.

[Anonymous No.19677872]

>>19677865
>Hasn't read Tolkien
>Calls him a shit author

Pot calling the kettle black.

[Anonymous No.19677880]

>>19677872
Except I'm NTA.
Try again sweetie.

[Anonymous No.19677938]

Is good omens any good?

[Anonymous No.19677944]

>>19677938
If you like comedy, yes. And I mean that in a good way

[Anonymous No.19678061]

Any books about an intelligent life form on Earth before humans

[Anonymous No.19678102]

>>19678061
i guess you can read graham hancock as syfi

[Anonymous No.19678272]

hello /sffg/
how to manage bipolar disorder?
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.19678316]

i hate these parshendi faggots, whining endlessly about the consequences of their actions. fantasy version of belters. both series would be improved by their genocide.
>inb4 sandershit
yea yea i know i brought it on myself

[Anonymous No.19678326]

>non-sequitur question or request

[Anonymous No.19678402]

Cornwell's The Winter King has the divide between Druids and Christians, and the movie Excalibur has Merlin saying about how the magic of the land is going away and it's a time for men.
Are there any Arthur interpretations or reimaginings or whatever that go full "fuck Christians, pagan gang"?

[Anonymous No.19678417]

>>19678402
Cornwell basically takes every opportunity to shit on Christianity

[Anonymous No.19678485]

What do you think made Tolkien dislike Dune with "some intensity"? Other than the way it's written I guess.
I thought about it and my guess is how we know the close plans behind every event and how Paul isn't just Paul but a specific person with genetics related to Vladimir Harkonnen while raised in skill and self-control by the Atreides and in "magic" with his mom.
It's not really much of an adventure for Paul, in a way. He's forced into a situation and loosely programmed in hopes that he makes desired decisions.
Goes for many others, they come from manipulation and cognitive programming.

[Anonymous No.19678492]

>>19678485
The story just doesn't resonate

[Anonymous No.19678521]

>>19678485
I think the myth making in Dune is overtly cynical. Paul becomes Maud'Dib or whatever his other AKAs are as means to an end. Tolkien "just" wanted to make a myth of good triumphing over evil.

[Anonymous No.19678529]

>>19678485
Pretty sure he just didn't like the all the sex, drugs, and implied atheism.

[Anonymous No.19678572]

>>19678529
I never got implied atheism from Dune.
It is very "spiritual"/Jungian/zen, whatever.

[Anonymous No.19678614]

>>19678572
Atheism doesn't imply a lack of spirituality, it's a disbelief in gods specifically. Souls and afterlives and shit can still be believed in.

[Anonymous No.19678643]

>Before they are hanged
>Page 33
>”Harker on brown people”
>If a thing smells like shit, and is the color of shit, the chances are it is shit.
Kek this book is great.

[Anonymous No.19678679]

>>19678485
>>19678521
the mythmaking is cynical, and the story is overall a criticism of the structure of the heroic epic

[Anonymous No.19678701]

>>19678643
But anon, racism is bad and you shouldn't agree with him!
#cancelabercrombienow

[Anonymous No.19678711]

>>19678701
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.19679386]

>>19674565
You can stop after Books of the North + Silver Spike because they essentially complete the story. Tone changes in the following books because Company is now put in power and go more into discovering their own history.

[Anonymous No.19679415]

Here's my reading list
Mushoku Tensei
Dune
Song of Ice and fire
Hyperion
Percy Jackson
I'm reading the first two at the same time since I haven't read novels in a long time.
Since i was like 11 and could just binge read for hours.

[Anonymous No.19679553]

>>19679415
>Percy Jackson
Damn, I remember reading the first 2-3 books some nine years ago or so. Now I'm feeling the itch to read them again because of the musical

[Anonymous No.19679636]

>>19679415
>I'm reading the first two at the same time since I haven't read novels in a long time.
Not sure if that's a good idea in general, for me at least it helps to focus on one book, especially if I'm out of practice.
But since both books are distinct in themes and in tone (and in medium really, one being a LN and another a book) I think it's fine.

[Anonymous No.19679746]

>>19679386
she cute

[Anonymous No.19679923]

>>19678485
Tolkien was a shallow writer, who was extremely conservative and thus afraid of making risks. No amount of literary value or originality will account every fix those flaws.

[Anonymous No.19680118]

>>19678643
>racism is...LE BAD

[Anonymous No.19680130]

>>19678643
based. I have read it and somehow didnt even realise this part was le rayceest

[Anonymous No.19680257]

>>19677373
>there's a such thing as justified rape

Heeey, there's a Muslim in here!

[Anonymous No.19680264]

What do the Hydrogues look like?

[Anonymous No.19680265]

>>19680257
amerimutt spotted

[Anonymous No.19680268]

>>19680265
Seethe harder, shitskin

[Anonymous No.19680289]

>>19680268
limp-wristed faggot. You deserve to be conquered. Weak weakling.

[Anonymous No.19680369]

What were they talking about?

[Anonymous No.19680376]

>>19680289
*YAWN*

[Anonymous No.19680379]

when does it start differing much more from the show. I'm reading the first book and so far it's the exact same other than characters looking and acting a little different.

[Anonymous No.19680380]

>>19680369
Their favorite gay gloryhole stops of course

[Anonymous No.19680404]

>>19680379
second book is 50/50
third book shares nothing with the show except the general storyline

[Anonymous No.19680426]

Bros help I can't stop reading young adult fantasy novels.
Shits too comfy

[Anonymous No.19680438]

>>19680404
good to know. Sort of want to just skip the first and go to the second then but I'll continue.

[Anonymous No.19680451]

>>19680426
Too far gone. NGMI

[Anonymous No.19680456]

>>19677322
Wait, are you agreeing or disagreeing with the post you responded to

[Anonymous No.19680564]

>>19680369
Sonic's arms aren't blue

[Anonymous No.19680566]

>>19680118
>t. reddit brainlet

[Anonymous No.19680619]

>like 50 pages into the first Prince of Nothing book
>have probably spent 3 hours reading the wiki already
Probably shouldn't but it's just so good wtf, really well organised.

[Anonymous No.19680756]

>>19680619
You shouldn't touch the wiki. Might as well ask away here who and what something means.

[Anonymous No.19681005]

>>19680369
Heidegger's take on death

[Anonymous No.19681058]

>I wanted to like this book, I truly truly did! Trust me! I wish I loved it. But alas, I did not
why do goodreaders do this shit?

[Anonymous No.19681065]

>>19681058
they always feel the need to not offend anyone and they apologize for hurting somebody's feelers. Trash.

[Anonymous No.19681155]

>>19677741
A 'watered-down Tolkien clone' mogs literally everything being currently written in the fantasy space. That is why Bakker evokes so much seethe; not because anyone thinks he is better than Tolkien or Wolfe or whatever now-dead great you like, but because he shits on the current YA tier nonsense and exposes it for the written-for-gamers tripe that it is.

[Anonymous No.19681183]

>>19678643
>Our sociopathic crippled torturer WILL NOT STAND FOR A HECKING RACISM
Damn, how based and redpilled etc etc

[Anonymous No.19681197]

>>19676108
filtered

[Anonymous No.19681203]

>>19681155

[Anonymous No.19681220]

>china mogs western covers once more
They can't keep getting away with it!

[Anonymous No.19681228]

>>19676426
which parts are fake?

[Anonymous No.19681319]

>>19681220
holy fuck those are based book covers/designs. god willing if they ever re-publish the books in the US as hardcover I will buy them.

[Anonymous No.19681339]

>>19681220
Why are the book covers literally dwindling in size as the story progresses?

[Anonymous No.19681342]

>>19677741
I think these are for you.

[Anonymous No.19681397]

>>19680619
The wiki is full of inaccuracies and spoilers. If you have questions about Bakker just ask them here anon.

[Anonymous No.19681420]

>>19681397
I'm almost done reading what I intended, just gonna skim over the article about Gods. It's not like I'm taking a deep dive into characters and stuff. Just getting a general feel for the world.

[Anonymous No.19681471]

>>19679746
Glen Cook's waifucraft is pretty unreal. Especially since he writes everything else like he kind of doesn't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.19681528]

>>19681220
That's really strange, usually chinese book covers (for chinese books) are cheap and plain looking...

[Anonymous No.19681551]

>>19681342
Christ

[Anonymous No.19681603]

>>19674756
Another certified faggot who "liked" this overrated and retarded series. The absolute state of fantasy in 2022.

[Anonymous No.19681652]

>>19681603
Joe Abercrombie is the Quentin Tarantino of low-fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19681654]

>>19675742
Is Cradle the new Conan?

[Anonymous No.19681673]

>>19681603
High IQ post there bub

[Anonymous No.19681687]

>>19678643
>villain is le racist
wow what an incredible red pilled book. i must go post this on my reddit forum..

[Anonymous No.19681696]

>>19678485
No sandworm language

[Anonymous No.19681701]

>>19681220
anyone know the artist who drew these?

[Anonymous No.19681708]

>>19678614
no that's agnosticism.

[Anonymous No.19681711]

>>19681708
No, agnosticism is the philosophical position that it's impossible to know whether or not god/s exist.

[Anonymous No.19681715]

>>19678643
Abercrombie is such a garbage writer. People praise his character work, but every character aside from the main ones is a fucking cartoon.

[Anonymous No.19681746]

Feel like reading Malazan but I should prolly finish reading ASOIAF first

[Anonymous No.19681748]

>>19681528
their covers for western books are regularly/sometimes quite good. My guess is probably because it's more of a niche.

[Anonymous No.19681759]

>>19681746
you mean finish the 5 books and then watch the shows, though. But yeah, imo not great combining it with Malazan

[Anonymous No.19681763]

>>19681759
I'm due to start Crows soon.

[Anonymous No.19681764]

>>19681746
>finish
>ASOIAF
You're a funny guy, kid. I like that. But you say shit like that in my place again I'll have you balls chopped off, catfish?

[Anonymous No.19681766]

I feel like Gene Wolfe/BotNS may have ruined SFF for me. I worry nothing can match up with the quality, intricacy, and nuance of the series. After reading it generic SFF just seems unappealing and drab. Any tips on getting over this? I figure time is the best medicine but idk how long it's gonna take before this wears off

[Anonymous No.19681768]

>>19681766
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.19681788]

>>19681652
He is a great writer, but his First Law Series is boring drivel, and a terrible entry point into his work. His later series are vastly better.

[Anonymous No.19681794]

>>19681766
read bakker, nothing else comes close to those two. also read real literature like euripedes, wg sebald and shit.

[Anonymous No.19681815]

>>19681766
take a break from fantasy

[Anonymous No.19681849]

Tolkien owns you. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19681892]

>>19681766
Do what I did and start reading Fiction. You will realize it's just the name they give to quality fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19681921]

>>19681849
Never read him.

[Anonymous No.19681922]

>>19681921
same. I'm fine with that.

[Anonymous No.19681963]

>>19681921
That's cool. Still owns you.

[Anonymous No.19681965]

>>19681963
retard

[Anonymous No.19681988]

>>19681921
>>19681922
>>19681965
Pathetic. Tolkienlets should not be allowed to post in /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.19681992]

Fantasy a shit, I only read sci-fi now.

[Anonymous No.19681993]

>>19681988
Tolkien is shit, mate.

[Anonymous No.19681997]

>>19681963
untrue, tolkien was an avid abolitionist

[Anonymous No.19681999]

>>19681993
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.19682002]

>>19681999
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.19682017]

>>19682002
I recognize your capitulation.

[Anonymous No.19682021]

>>19682017
>NO U!
I unironically accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.19682025]

>19682002
Arguing with subhuman Tolkienlets is beneath me.

[Anonymous No.19682092]

>>19681992
Im not sure if based or non-unbased

[Anonymous No.19682104]

>>19682025
Didn't ask.

[Anonymous No.19682133]

>>19681992
fantasy and sci-fi is shit I only read SFFG

[Anonymous No.19682199]

>>19681342
>earthsea
how'd that get in there? I've only read wizard and tombs, but basically all the real wizards are men while women are largely tricksters, damsels, or batteries. not that I'm making such a critique, but does something change later on?

[Anonymous No.19682442]

>>19682199
There's a whole series about the witches overcoming the stigma.

[Anonymous No.19682483]

>>19682199
It's probably because all of the good characters are Mediterranean bronze to ebony black and all the bad guys are white.

[Anonymous No.19682528]

>/sffg/ – identity politics for white incels general

[Anonymous No.19682556]

>>19682528
you can always go back to your safe space if anything that criticizes your favorite faggot saga makes you think of sex and race, my friend

[Anonymous No.19682561]

>/sffg/ – safe space for white incels to complain about how the bad wahmen hurt them

[Anonymous No.19682582]

>>19682561
you're just proving how pathetic women are, vagina

[Anonymous No.19682592]

Guys, I recently got back to reading regularly and I started browsing /lit/, thinking there may be some good discussion going, but all I see is just retards bait fishing for (yous). I would say maybe 20% of posts actually talk seriously about books. Is this a current trend or has there always been this much faggotry?

[Anonymous No.19682618]

>>19682592
it was pretty bad but it's definitely gotten worse over the last few years, and the decline accelerates over time. this thread, despite ostensibly being a containment area for "people" who don't read books outside of genre fiction, is a microcosm of the shitcancer that infects the whole board.

[Anonymous No.19682636]

>>19681197
Do you say the same thing when someone says they don't like James Joyce, Honore Balzac, or Herman Melville?

[Anonymous No.19682730]

I have not enjoyed the first three witcher novels the way I did the short story collections. Instead of enjoying the journey and characters as it occurs, I feel like I'm being lead along by the nose via contrived plot twists much like reading GRRM. In my frustration I went ahead and read the summaries of the last two novels and didn't feel like I missed out on much at all.

[Anonymous No.19682765]

Say you transmigrated into the Reverend Insanity world, but you can pick which region you transmigrate into, and basic starting conditions.
What do you transmigrate as and what's your course of actions to ensure success and a decent life?
I actually think that the world of Reverend Insanity is extremely tough and there's so many random ass chances for you do simply die one day from things out of your control. And I'm not even talking like going to buy groceries in our world and a car hits you. Even that is, more or less, avoidable depending on awareness and societal rules. Earth is overall pretty safe.
But in the world of Reverend Insanity you can easily hit a rough spot from which you can never get out.

[Anonymous No.19682951]

>>19682765
Central continent is where it's at.

[Anonymous No.19683012]

>>19682483
I guess, it was sort of weird how so far no one else really has magic, are just massive pillaging assholes, or worshiped evil old gods
>>19682442
is that in the other tales from earthsea thing?

[Anonymous No.19683021]

>whale mothers
Like. How fat are we talking here?

[Anonymous No.19683074]

>>19683021
No idea. It's not overly descriptive. I would think of them as having a disproportionate bone structure and ridiculously large hips.

[Anonymous No.19683131]

Why were people so shocked with the Whale Mothers when we previously learned about what they did to the defective already?

[Anonymous No.19683137]

Whoever put the Trysmoon series on one of the recommendation charts thank you. I just started book 3 and loving these books.

[Anonymous No.19683146]

What if Bakker writes a prologue book about the Dunyain instead of the continuation of the story?

[Anonymous No.19683210]

>>19683012
I think so, Tales is her newer output so yeah. She does a whole thing about how the thing she showed was bad and wrong and I'm entirely misrepresenting it.

[Anonymous No.19683226]

What if Bakker ded

[Anonymous No.19683231]

>>19683226
He's walking the Outside as we speak then.

[Anonymous No.19683238]

>>19683226
obviously not
he's been shitposting relentlessly here for weeks

[Anonymous No.19683242]

>>19683238
>for weeks

[Anonymous No.19683338]

>>19681766
Your options are pretty much Bakker or start reading shit other than genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.19683442]

It's Tolkien's birthday

[Anonymous No.19683446]

>>19683442
Technically not, he's in England and in England it's january 4th. You missed it.

[Anonymous No.19683459]

>>19683446
I'm on middle Earth time

[Anonymous No.19683669]

>>19682561
>Incel

You're wrong though. I have bred with the enemy, it just makes you hate them more.

[Anonymous No.19683679]

GODDAMN IT, WHAT DO THE FUCKING HYDROGUES LOOK LIKE!?

[Anonymous No.19683682]

Make another thread Moogy shiter.

[Anonymous No.19683759]

>>19674739
i don't think i have read enough to notice this too often but it did bother me in Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower. it did feel as though she was trying to shock and felt a little lazy.

[Anonymous No.19683778]

finished reading this on a whim, was ok I suppose

[Anonymous No.19683819]

I finished this, I thought it was a pretty fun adventure.

[Anonymous No.19683869]

>>19683778
I'm about 200 pages in and enjoying it so far.

[Anonymous No.19684063]

Started reading the Curse of the Mistwraith by Janny Wurts the other day. Only about 70 pages in but I feel this might be a bit of a slog. Can someone convince me to keep going?

[Anonymous No.19684095]

>>19682442
Not really. The later stories go into women practicing magic and how it's more or less stigmatized at different moments in history, but women are generally not good at magic in Earthsea. Except Tehanu, who got fearsome wizard powers from being gang raped by meth addicts and receiving 80% 3rd degree burns as a toddler.

[Anonymous No.19684096]

>>19679386
>>19681471
would you two recommend any other waifu specialists?

[Anonymous No.19684481]

>>19681766
Embrace Vance

[Anonymous No.19684492]

Why write fantasy when the market is oversaturated with it?

[Anonymous No.19684503]

I thought it was a great series. Read it a year ago now but it's really stuck in my mind.

[Anonymous No.19684526]

>>19676807
I'd say yes, but I haven't watched the last season. The world's are subtly but significantly different in their world building and characters. You could probably do it but I recommend reading the first 6 books anyway they are different enough from the show and tell fundamentally different enough stories driven by the different ways characters exist on a page vs onscreen so it doesn't just feel like a retread.

[Anonymous No.19684546]

>>19684526
An example of the difference in world building is the earth Mars dynamic. In the show it leans very heavily on audiences expectations coloured by the cold war while in the book it is closer to if a coalition alliance like NATO.

[Anonymous No.19684572]

>>19684526
I always think about how Drummer is like 6 different characters in the book

[Anonymous No.19684601]

>>19684492
it's oversaturated with shit.
Not saying many on /lit/ can write better than that but just saying that's a reason to write for it.
Problem is a large portion of the readers like shit.

[Anonymous No.19684666]

>>19684492
because if you write something even of middling quality you'll overshadow everything from the past decade

[Anonymous No.19684690]

>>19684492
For the joy of writing. Creating something is rewarding and fun.

[Anonymous No.19685113]

>>19674574
Is it wort reading it if I'm not a fan of hidden sect power level autism?

[Anonymous No.19685139]

>>19685113
It's very intricate. I'm unironically reading for the plot, which at face value is about a guy getting stronger.

[Anonymous No.19685143]

>>19678485
Tolkien's disdain of Dune stems from the cynicism that pervades it. In a certain sense, it was the inverse of the grim yet ultimately hopeful and triumphant world of Tolkien's Arda.

[Anonymous No.19685375]

>>19678485
>What do you think made Tolkien dislike Dune with "some intensity"? Other than the way it's written I guess.
Tolkien was a shit writer.

[Anonymous No.19685379]

>>19685375
The guy was patient zero for worldbuilding autism.

[Anonymous No.19685389]

>>19685375
Tolkien would have committed sudoku if he ever read Bakker.
Also: >I dislike DUNE with some intensity
This literally tells you all you need to know about how unoriginal and uninspiring he truly was. People give him way too much credit. He was simply lucky that Peter Jackson was such a good director and made those movies in the right place and time.

[Anonymous No.19685407]

>>19685389
I never read Tolkien, the movies felt enough for me. Now I'm reading Dune and it's great. That Tolkien's statement sounds pretty faggy. So no desire to read him ever.

[Anonymous No.19685421]

Tolkien king

[Anonymous No.19685452]

>>19685389
>Tolkien would have committed sudoku if he ever read Bakker.
Yeah, Bakker is a shit writer. Tolkien would be disheartened to know how far Fantasy has degenerated after his passing.

[Anonymous No.19685453]

>>19685421
Not too loud you'll scare the bakkerbabbies

[Anonymous No.19685460]

>Yeah, Bakker is a shit writer. Tolkien would be disheartened to know how far Fantasy has degenerated after his passing.

[Anonymous No.19685485]

>>19685460
>having a soijack permanently saved to your harddrive
how embarrassing

[Anonymous No.19685491]

>>19685460
Accurate desu.

[Anonymous No.19685499]

One day guys. One day you will actually force me to read Bakker. Even if there is a high possibility it's all just posts from Bakker himself.

[Anonymous No.19685503]

>>19685485
Your pictures are embarrassing, yes.

[Anonymous No.19685507]

>>19684492
For great Honour, if you manage to become the Sanderson Slayer

[Anonymous No.19685508]

>>19685499
>Even if there is a high possibility it's all just posts from Bakker himself.
Is he really that pathetic that he post here?

[Anonymous No.19685512]

>>19685508
Pretty much.

[Anonymous No.19685517]

New thread
>>19685515

[Anonymous No.19685541]

>>19685508
It's been pathetic to post here in any capacity for the last 3 years.

[Anonymous No.19685553]

>>19685508
Not different than you, then.

[Anonymous No.19685588]

>>19685508
Yeah, pretty much. would be sad if it weren’t hilarious, but he has nowhere else to go since no self-respecting publishing house will ever touch his shit series.