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East Meets West edition

Previous Thread:>>19656013

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>> No.19664034 [DELETED] 

First for niggers not welcome in my thread.

>> No.19664039

>>19664025
>East Meets West
I'm writing a poem where Leonardo da Vinci is talking with Miyamoto Musashi...

>> No.19664070

2021 Reading Breakdown

Novels: 94*
Science Fiction: 38
Fantasy: 36
Thriller: 20

Novellas: 10
Science Fiction: 8
Fantasy: 2

Nonfiction: 16
Magazines: 12
Collections: 6
Anthologies: 4
Short Fiction: 8

Total works: 150
~52,889 pages
Let's assume an estimate of 250 words per page.
13.2 million words.

I read a lot of other stuff, but it wasn't prose, and isn't included here.
*2 were audiobook originals, the first and probably last that I'll finish.

>> No.19664086

>>19664034
not a bad start, to be quite honest with you

>> No.19664122

Anons, I'm making a diablo like game. I have no writing experience. Please recommend some good fantasy books that'll give me ideas on how to world build and write the plot.

>> No.19664140

>>19664122
As someone who used to play those I would recommend you to disregard that entirely and dedicate yourself to honing your engine for smoothness of overall gameplay and to developing depth of itemization and building. Most people won't even read anything since they came there to blast shit.

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>> No.19664187

>>19664176
every fucking thread, you just post a picture without a word. How lazy can you be?

>> No.19664212

Someone plz recommed me something similar to Gene Wolfe's books, especially Book of the New Sun series, in feel and use of language.

>> No.19664247
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19664247

THE quintessential voluntarily-celibate 4chan Magus.

>> No.19664260

>>19664247
I clicked to search the image by iqdb and it actually gave me a result with asian porn. What a mad world.

>> No.19664310

>>19664034
i think you're pretty safe on a literature board

>> No.19664321

>>19664310
Kek, well done.

>> No.19664328

>>19664034
Fpbp

>> No.19664492

>>19664122
post screenshots so we can get a sense of your world creation

>> No.19664508

>>19664260
It's Raistlin Majere.

>> No.19664516

Should I read The Darkness That Comes Before or Malazan next?

>> No.19664535

>>19664025
2021 /sffg/ report
>>19658518
May as well at least once more.

>> No.19664536

>>19664516
I don't know, mate. What do you want from your fantasy?

>> No.19664578

>>19664536
>replying seriously to a memer

>> No.19664581

>>19664536
It will be my first fantasy series, I like dark stuff. Lots of different environments
sorry if that isnt too helpful

>> No.19664725
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>>19664187

>> No.19664727

>>19664725
finally a good one. but nobody cares about the rice crap

>> No.19664794

Just how fucking fat do you think Erikson keeps his wife? I'm thinking 400lbs at the very least.

>> No.19664886

>>19664581
Neither should be your first.

>> No.19664891

>>19664247
More books with ruthless celibate mages please.

>> No.19664910

>>19664891
Coldfire trilogy

>> No.19664917

What do we think of Station Eleven?

>> No.19664998
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19664998

most nu-fantasy books are shit because they are mostly inspired by dnd campaign logic and cliches
compare this to old fantasy which took inspiration from mythology, history, exploring nature, childlike wonder, religion, etc

>> No.19665046

>>19664891
Drusas Achamian is kind of a celibate mage. Involuntarily.

>> No.19665061

>>19664998
This is true. Although I think the appeal of these things is because many fantasy readers want to critique, or engage in more depth, what they read, but don't want to learn literary criticism because they know implicitly their "faves" will not hold up under it. So stuff like 'rules' of magic and worldbuilding derived from gaming becomes the metric for a cottage industry of fangless criticism. You can have all the video essays you want want, judging works primarily by the quantity of female characters and exposition dedicated toward spellcraft, without once having to really tackle thorny subjects like "Is the writing any good?".

>> No.19665074

>>19664998
Most nu fantasy is shit because of progressive agenda

>> No.19665084

>>19665061
>>19665074
I'm just saying we went from fantasy writers with backgrounds in history, theology, and serving in the world wars, to fantasy writers who are fantasy writers purely because of their background in playing pretend around a table

>> No.19665095

>>19664917
don't know but Hospital Station is good. nothing special, but comfy

>> No.19665101

>>19665061
Are you separating "the writing" from from game elements, hard magic systems and female characters? Can a book with game elements and females also have a good writing?

>> No.19665104

>>19665101
no

>> No.19665118

>>19665101
>Are you separating "the writing" from from game elements, hard magic systems and female characters?

Obviously. It would be making the same mistake in reverse to say the presence of any of these things necessitates a work be bad. But my post isn't really about what makes a fantasy book good or bad, it is that many of the loudest voices in the fantasy lit community have constructed a means by which they can larp as literary reviewers without holding texts to a literary standard, instead favouring an ad-hoc melange of genre tropes rooted in non-literary sources.

>> No.19665122

>>19665084
well said.

>> No.19665125

>>19664917
Overall group favorability by those who read it.
>>/lit/thread/S16495181#p16498814
Turns out HBO series released sooner than I thought it would. I watched the first two episodes and dropped it for now since it's basically the book in name only. Maybe I'll come back to it later.

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Whichever one of you recommended this to me is a retard. It's so mediocre. Nothing happens. Robbin Hobbs and her dog probably go through a jar of peanut butter a week.

>> No.19665162

>>19665159
What the fuck is that? Just the cover should tell you enough. Btw, how much does Grum get paid to get quoted on the cover?

>> No.19665164

>>19665159
It was a different time anon

>> No.19665178

>>19664891
Elric nigga, Elric!

>> No.19665180

>>19664039
and how is it, anon? care to share any exerpt?

>> No.19665185

>wahmen bad
>le chud face.jpg
probably the most touched starved general on all of 4chan.

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>>19665185

>> No.19665198

who are you quoting?

>> No.19665250

>>19664025
Sengoku Jedi

>> No.19665308

Any recs for non-Discworld Pratchett books?

>> No.19665333

>>19665308
I only know Eric.

>> No.19665350

>>19665308
Good Omens is usually well regarded

>> No.19665364

>>19665350
That's why I'm asking. After GO I tried reading Gaiman, and it seems like I like Pratchett more than Neil.

>> No.19665373

>>19665364
Oh. And why the non-discworld? You've read them already?

>> No.19665400

>>19665373
Was just hoping for something more stand alone without all of the baggage of the entire setting.

>> No.19665415

>>19665159
That's what you get for reading a book with a photograph of a person on the cover

>> No.19665439

>>19665415
That isn't a photograph.

>> No.19665579

>>19665101
It depends on how you define good writing. A better question would be
>Can good writing produce stories with females in it?
>Can good writing produce stories with game elements in it?
The answer to the former is yes for obvious reasons. Even Iliad has femoids in it and it's probably one of the most machismo classics nameable. The answer to the latter is probably no, but I won't say so definitively.

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>>19664212
Dying Earth

>> No.19665823

>>19665579
>It depends on how you define good writing. A better question would be
How do you define it? How do you define writing? What is it? so very often I see it mentioned, either good or bad but what exactly is it?
It seems that >>19665061 separated "writing" (either good or bad) from game elements in fantasy book, does it mean that good writing can exist alongside game elements? But according to /lit/ fantasy books with game elements are bad? But are they always bad, maybe existing books are bad, can there be a good fantasy book with game elements in the future? This doesn't just apply to game elements, interchange game elements with any new/modern or non western concept that has not appeared in classic western fantasy books.

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>>19665159
>Fantasy as it ought to be written - le fat taxation man
Wasn't that a big enough red flag for you?

>> No.19666089

>>19665947
martin accidently mind broke an entire generation tolkienfags.

>> No.19666115

>>19666089
who

>> No.19666118

>>19666115
martin

>> No.19666147

>>19666118
I don't know anyone by that name.

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>>19664516
Become a Bakkerchad anon.

>> No.19666166

>>19665823
The reason you probably see it mentioned but not explained is that it's incredibly hard. It's not what makes something writing, but what makes something GOOD writing? What makes writing enjoyable. Are the ways people enjoy different genres of literature the same? ARE there even different genres of literature or are they simply arbitrary distinctions?

If I had to give a terrible answer, terrible because it's so incomplete, I would say that game elements fail to create good literature because they double the creative process. The creative process itself is the dialectic between the Self and Reality to create a Work (my definition). Games, similarly, are a dialectic between the Self and the Game-Reality to complete a goal. By transference, all literature involving game mechanics becomes de facto a dialectic between the Self and Reality to create (a dialectic between the Self and the Game-Reality to complete a goal(=work)).

This enters the realm of book-reading as entertainment vs. book-reading as reflection/self-testing/informative(=X). If you see books as a source of entertainment and nothing else, than this doubling doesn't matter. If you see it as X, then the book is by necessity arbitrary. That it includes game mechanics is itself excessive, because they add nothing to the purpose of the work as X. Why should we include this extra step of the transference of reality to the game-reality? Why should it matter that my protagonist has a mana bar, what relevance does that have to how the book functions as X? It doesn't. The mechanic is arbitrary, it's contained in the Game-Reality which is not part of the creative dialectic process, but part of the definition of the work chosen. Therefore, if literature serves as X then the inclusion of game mechanics in practice (though not, as I can see right now, by necessity) results in an inferior product. Inferior because the constraints of the work are now built in the overlap of two separate realities that do not align.

Note that the primary failing of this argument is that there's an intermediary step between Self and Reality already, which is the Self <-> Reality <-> Language conflict.

>> No.19666204

>>19666152
is that compass for bakker chars? looks cool, I wanna read it one day
t. non-bakker

>> No.19666285

>>19665947
I don't know what's worse about Gurm's tax quibble. The fact that he's aggressively missing the point of what Tolkien was trying to do? Or the fact that he hardly gives a toss about taxes and economics at large in his own work because he doesn't want to get bogged down by it either? As a matter of fact, Westeros may even be much more unrealistic than Middle Earth in that regard. How the people there survive year long winters is anyone's guess.

>> No.19666288

>>19666152
Gonna start with Prince of Nothing, I saw some people say it’s got Biblical type shit in it so I’m all in

>> No.19666325

What's a good setup for a fantasy story that doesn't make the plot feel like going through a checklist? Is it possible to make a "find the dragonballs" plot engaging?

>> No.19666339

>>19666325
Readers care about the characters, the plot is secondary or tertiary.
Any plot is viable should your character interactions be entertaining enough.

For you, I might recommend stepping back on the scale/scope that you are probably envisioning. Make it more about the journey than the destination. A road trip.

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>>19666147
>not knowing martin

>> No.19666374

>>19666339
>Make it more about the journey than the destination. A road trip.
That's actually what I thought about, but then I got really self-conscious about the overall plot I wrote for it(as you might expect, it's "collect the mcguffins") and I felt really sad about it. Did I overthink it?

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I've been reading the Hammers Slammers series and its been a ball, anyone else read these or know of any other scifi series with well-written mecha/tank combat?

>> No.19666488

>>19666325
>>19666374
This isn't /wg/

>> No.19666490

give me a short sci fi or fantasy book to start reading tonight

>> No.19666497

>>19666490
castle of endless woe
it's about a scared loli in a tower :(

>> No.19666501

>>19664025
>https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ
Where's the 2021 top list? Surely you guys made a SFF 2021 top list??

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>>19666490

>> No.19666523

>>19666490
Showboat World

>> No.19666553

>>19665159
Wait for the ending. It's all worth it.

>> No.19666613
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19666613

I like Vance, Herbert, Simmons and Wolfe.
Do I read Bakker, Grrm, or the Malazan series or something else?

>> No.19666669

>>19664891
Earthsea

>> No.19666724

>>19666666

>> No.19666907

>>19666374
You need to make the trip and interactions more interesting than "getting the dragonballs".

>> No.19667189

>>19666501
No, there never has been a real one and probably never will be. The existing annual one is a farce at best and meme at worst.

>> No.19667284

Girlfriend got me audible, give me a recommendation that isn't self-insert shit.

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Anyone heard of the book called "A robot in the garden", apparently the japanese really love it so much so that they start a theater production for it and now there's a movie coming out. Is it really that good or just the japanese and their love for robots.

>> No.19667406

Prophecy says: Bakker will continue to reign as king for 2022.

>> No.19667416

>>19667309
They have a very low bar for adapting media. A lot more anime/manga get stage plays and live action movies than you'd believe.

>> No.19667466

>>19667406
2022 will be the Return of the Gurm. Screencap this.

>> No.19667474

>>19665180
Never show unfinished work to anyone.

>> No.19667477

>>19667466
I'm thinking 2022 will be a strong Cuckfuss year.

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>>19666497
I like loli's in my books. Cute and funny loli's are ok but sometimes I also like precocious nymphets too. Anyone have some sexy loli book recommendations?

>> No.19667562

>>19667284
Piranesi

>>19667309
Based on the blurb and the fact that the Japanese love it I'm going to guess it's a cute, atmospheric story with minimal conflict

>> No.19667574

>>19667518
I recommend you become aware of your conscious experience of life and open yourself up to the loving presence of God. It's what you've been looking for this entire time while watching anime and reading manga. The innocence and unconditional love you felt from those characters have been disguised aspects of divinity this whole time. The girls were angels trying to lead you back home. God has always been there for you. All you have to do is open your eyes and you'll feel it. Welcome home!

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>>19667574

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>>19667574
Really anon we shouldn't be shitposting in this thread. But sense you brought it up. Pedophilia is literally Devine.

The Christian god impregnated his mom when she was about 12. New testament says it's ok to rape a pubescent girl but you should probably marry her after.
1 Corinthians 7:36, KJV: "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry."

The Muslim god is ok with you marrying a 6 year old, but you should only thy fuck her until she turns nine.

The Hellenistic gods seemed to either encourage it or give it no mind.

The Hindi have specific gods for prostitution and temples full of whores some becoming practicing priestess of the oldest profession at the age of six.

So which god is it, do you think, that is so opposed to cunny? For all the gods I see partake in it or choose prophets that do so as example for us to follow.

>> No.19667651

>>19667579
>>19667618
I'm 100% serious and everything I said is true. You'll remember that post one day.

>> No.19667674

Any sci fi books that aren't filled with nerdy vocabulary and read smoothly for normies?

>> No.19667757

>>19667674
1984 is double plus good

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>half the book is marines talking shit to each other without affecting the plot in any way
>the rest of the book is mcs wandering from place to place
>Rant is the stereotypical noble giant, cries a lot
>le possesed knife gimmick out of nowhere
>muh easygoing but unbeatable marines
The book sucked big time. I only finished it to post this.

>> No.19667786

>>19666669
Only correct response.

>> No.19667800

I'm reading Revelation Space by Alistair Reynolds
What do I think of it so far?

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>>19667768
We should start a wiki with /lit/ reviews of books.

So many books I start to read, then continue because I hope it gets better, then continue because I'm so far in it feels like a waist not to finish then I finish and all I feel is regret.

>> No.19667834

>>19667800
The characters are without charm, the developments of the plot are insipid and without gravitas, the dangling mysteries are the only thing keeping you invested

>>19667803
A wiki for reviews seems counterintuitive

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>>19667834
>A wiki for reviews seems counterintuitive
Just to let annons add to it with version control to revert faggotry.

>> No.19667848

>>19667768
You forgot all the global warming propaganda.
>we need to put out differences aside because the ice caps are melting and we're all going to die!
>you have to take in and protect the refugees!

>> No.19667885

>>19664025
Currently reading Gutrex and Felix first book in Warhammer fantasy universe, do you guys have any map that will accompany it?

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>>19667885

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>>19666490

>> No.19668028

>>19666613
from your list, i would say grrm and then bakker, malazan is a big time investment.
Some others that can consider are c a smith's zothique and harrison's viriconium

>> No.19668161

>>19667518
Salsa?

>> No.19668194

>>19666613
Malazan is the only one that's finished. GRRM is the easiest read.

>> No.19668200

I am halfway through Rhialto the Marvellous. The first story was fun but I have slowed my pace with the second. The characters all seem so detached from the setting and I can't help but compare it to the cugel books. I will reserve my final judgement until the end, but I am a bit upset.

I have not read The Dying Earth, however. How does it compare to the other 3?

>> No.19668250

>>19667803
There's a Goodreads group in the OP with almost 200 members who have at least 1 review. Feel free to index which books have been reviewed and rated, though that's already been partially done.

>> No.19668255

>>19667847
A /lit/ with reviews already exists and is in the board sticky.

>> No.19668446

>>19668200
Rhialto is easily the worst of the four and one of Vance's worst books I've read. The first couple of stories of Dying Earth are kind of weak but the remaining ones are solid.

If you want more Cugel the The Green Bird by Kage Baker in Songs of Dying Earth is pretty good.

>> No.19668457

>>19666152
>>19666288
>sfill shilling Bakkerturds
Please grow up

>> No.19668502

Please recommend me som epic space operas.

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>Protagonist is constantly pining after his bully's girlfriend
>He gets 'rewarded' with the bully's used goods at the end

>> No.19668615

>>19668502
LOTGH. Although I'd recommend the anime over the books.

>> No.19668757

>>19667848
Eh, geological change has been part of the series from the beginning because of the massive time frame of the setting. Maybe the new book it is framed more politically though, I haven't read it.

>> No.19668864

>>19664176
thats cool bro, but try panlong instead

>> No.19668883

>>19668502
Matter by Ian M Banks was the best single-book space opera I've read since the Empire from the Ashes.
So one of those two, I should think.

>> No.19668893

>>19667674
Intervention series maybe?
It's all written from the perspective of an old drunk canuk who winds up watching the successive generations of his family as a pseudo-immortal.

>> No.19668942

>>19668864
Are you serious? every single novel by IET is absolute garbage. I just read several chapters and it doesn't even read like a novel but like some retarded script, dialogue is so simplistic, and what's with western character names and odd behaviour, it is like they are chinese but pretending to be westerners.

>> No.19668997

>>19667518
Isn't that the final message of Beserk? Life is shit, and even heroic attempts at Nietzschean overcoming will end in faliure, and transform you into a monster. Salvation only comes from a magic loli witch guide. You accept this truth and then you quit working 80 hours a week on grim dark and fuck off to play Loli Academy on PlayStation Network and publish a chapter a year.

Durant's "every civilization begins life as a stoic, and dies an epicurean," compressed to a lifetime.

>> No.19668998

>>19668942
I only read Panlong so I don't have any of your preconceptions about the author.

I would respond by stating that of the many Asian novels I've read, Chinese novels have been the worst. The reasons you've stated about this novel (or the chapters you read) are contained within my own reasons for disliking most Chinese literature, along with their general sociopathy.
That said, Panlong exhibits those traits the least of the Chinese works I've read, and its scope is why I recommend it, which you obviously wouldn't be able to perceive after reading a couple of chapters.

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>>19667953
>empire
>world's edge mountains
>middle mountains
>the dark lands
>the great ocean
>the great forest
>the marshes of madness
>etc

>> No.19669022

>>19669014
Absolute soul.

>> No.19669031

>>19667618
Because early peoples were barbarous and generally saw few others as human. Slaves weren't human. Generally, children weren't fully human. Commoners weren't fully human for the aristocracy. Women weren't fully human.

This grows out of the human need for recognition. Mankind strives to have the humanity, their individuality and subjective experience, recognized by an other. And so dominance and conquest is a way to force this. However, it is incomplete, because the slave ends up unrecognized, while the master is only getting recognition from a slave, an other that is less than fully human.

These peoples could see the divine but were also products of a limited advancement in knowledge. Knowledge of the world and the self.

The rejection of pedophilia is the dialectical advancing. It once was normal. So was slavery, torture for entertainment, human sacrifice, etc.

The wrath of God is a definite element in the formation of the world. Check out Boehme. It is only resolved with reality as a whole, and the human race, by advances through the Dialectical, towards the Absolute.

>> No.19669033

>>19667953
literally middleearth

>> No.19669039

>>19669031
I have no idea why we started treating all those groups as fully human when all evidence points otherwise

>> No.19669080

>>19668998
Have you read Reverend Insanity?
If yes do you honestly think that Panlong (Coiling Dragon) is better than RI?

>> No.19669113

>>19669039
>because the slave ends up unrecognized, while the master is only getting recognition from a slave, an other that is less than fully human.

Because no one is happy in the master/slave dialectical.

>> No.19669144

>>19669039
Because techniques of enslavement and control were just improved to be less obvious and including rendering subject delusional about their position. If you feel like status of the "oppressed" groups has approached yours, that only means elites increased distance between themselves and you, so you are close to chattel.

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>>19669144

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>>19666490

>> No.19669180

Annual 1 Jan reminder that R Scott Bakker is deceased and will never write another book nor blog post.

>> No.19669191

>>19669180
Good

>> No.19669219

>>19669113
This was a great argument until about 1930.

>>19669149
Google 'school to prison pipeline'

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>>19667953
They literally copypasted this map on top of europe lmao

>> No.19669369

>>19668997
Yes, also Miura wrote and drew Gigantomakhia, where Loli Pee solves all problems.

>> No.19669648

>>19664070
PART 2- SFF Novel Stats
Because I don't think any of this through and only do it as I go along and as it comes to mind. I could've done more different stats, but I didn't feel like it. I don't have any problem with what any of the below says about my reading habits. I won't be going out of my way to change any of it for 2022. Also I'm writing a long, possibly a series, of posts of the SFF I read in 2021, which I'll probably finish sometime in the next few days. Why? Because I can and because I feel like it. I co

Published Decades:
60s: 1
70s: 2
80s: 3
90s: 6
00s: 9
10s: 34
20s: 19

Sex:
Male: 53 books, 31 authors
Female: 21 books, 13 authors

Nationality:
American: probably almost all
British: some
Others: few

Ethnicity:
White: almost all
Asian: 2 authors
Black: 2 authors
Ambiguous: a couple

>> No.19669717

>>19669369
Goddamn japs.

>> No.19669761

>>19669033
middleearth was made first. other than it's is no better or worse

>> No.19669859

>>19668446
What about the Michael Shea books. Have you read those? How do they stack up against the Cugel stuff?

>> No.19669917

>>19669219
What happened in 1930?

>> No.19669940

>>19669180
No shit. He died on purpose after obtaining the Absolute Gnosis so he could go to the afterlife, defeat the demiurge and its archonic demons, the Gods of Earth, and bring the Absolute of the Pleroma to us.

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what are some fantasy books with badass dwarves? not necessarily dwarf-centric but should prominantely feature badass dwarves

>> No.19670308

>>19668502
Hyperion. /tg/ hates it but i like it despite its flaws.

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19670333

Post books with an evil wizard MC!

>> No.19670586

>>19668200
Planet of adventure has the cugel feel to it

>> No.19670837

>>19670085
Anything Tolkien

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>>19669180
What is this meme? I've "disappeared" from the internet on more than 1 occasions leaving relatively successful accounts behind, it's really not that hard. But what are the "clues" that hint that Bakker died?

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19671011

Just finished this and thoroughly enjoyed it. Hy does it get such a bad rep? Just people who watched the film or is it actually boring and I'm too Austic to notice.

Also, now I've finished read this, should I read forever war next?

>> No.19671080

>>19671011
>Hy does it get such a bad rep?
This book contains way too many ideas which goyim are not supposed to get, hence (((bad rep))) and movie which was basically book defamation attempt by some hollywood pedophiles.
>should I read forever war next?
Forever war is great, also Moon is a harsh mistress if you didn't read it yet.

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>>19671080
Most banned and feared sci-fi book, contains goyim ideas and bad reps

>> No.19671104

>>19670850
Bakker's website domain has been claimed by some random Asian casino website. Check it yourself.

Something is clearly not right.

>> No.19671117

>>19671104
>Something is clearly not right.
He got sissified by bbc? and decided to leave his hard gay life behind?

>> No.19671136

>>19671117
I think he created to many sissies. No BVLL should have that much power.

>> No.19671157 [DELETED] 

>>19671136
Trve Hard Gay BVLL! CVRVED PHALLVS SVPREME!

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books for this feel??

>> No.19671182

>>19671176
The Aspect Emperor Series.

>> No.19671196

>>19671182
Are you being serious or just a bakkerdrone?

>> No.19671199

>>19671080
>Moon is a harsh mistress
This is also on my future reading list.

I only ever saw starship troopers like 20 years ago when i was 13. And even then i wasnt particulary keen. But i probably didnt get all the smart satire its apparently filled with.

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>>19671196
The Curved Phallus BVLL will sissify ALL straight phalluses

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>>19671182
Are you talking about the Nonman mansions? They definitely would resemble something of the sort, albeit more pleasing.

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>books for this feel??

>> No.19671221

>>19670085
Gotrek and Felix

>> No.19671222

>>19671218
unbased and non-unpozzed

>> No.19671234

Didn't ask.

>> No.19671242

CURVED PHALLUS SUPREME

>> No.19671252

what are some (preferably not often used) public domain sci fi/fantasy kinos that i can add into my autistic worldbuilding project?
so far i've got
>H. P. Lovecraft's works
>The King In Yellow
>Conan The Barbarian's earlier stories
>Other works by REH
>The Devil and Daniel Webster
>debating on whether or not i want to do Frankenstein
>The Wendigo by Algernon Blackwood
>whatever Clark Ashton Smith works are PD

>> No.19671262

>>19671252
John Carter, Pellucidar

>> No.19671263

>>19666285
The actual worst thing is how retarded autists like you take something that was clearly never intended absolutely literally, and not even as an actual criticism, and treat it as some kind of damning evidence of idiocy when it's in fact you illiterate mouth-breathers that clearly don't understand some slight exaggeration for effect.

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>Idols of Ajokli show him as a leering figure with a huge penis that reaches up to his chin.

PHALUSADO.

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>>19671263
>fattie fatass was just pretending to be retarded! for effect! no really!

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>The vultures were congregated around the base of the adjacent barrow, hunched over their spoils, their backs rifled by the wind. A handful of jackdaws squabbled among them, skipping from face to face. Their scavenge matted the ground: the corpses of Sranc sprawled or huddled against one another, matting the circumference of the barrow, heaped in places, heads lolling from broken necks, faces nestled in the crotches of inert arms and legs. So many! Only the barrow’s apex was bald.
>The last stand of a single man. An impossible stand.
>The survivor sat cross-legged on the barrow summit, his forearms resting against his knees, his head bowed beneath the shining disc of the sun. The Steppe’s pale lines framed him.
>No animal possesses senses as keen as those of vultures; within moments they began croaking in alarm, scooping the wind in great ragged wings. The survivor lifted his head, watching them take flight. Then, as though his senses were every bit as keen as a vulture’s, he turned to Cnaiür.

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>>19671334
K I N O
I
N
O

>> No.19671376

>>19671176
What feel?

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I'm gonna start reding this book in the next weeks. The last book of the Foundation saga I read(Foundation's Edge) left me curious about the planet earth. The idea of the Eternals reminded me of certain aspects explored in some religions.

>> No.19671396

>>19671252

For various reasons many books are in the public domain that have not yet surpassed the otherwise requisite six hundred and sixty six year absolute monopoly granted to Disney by the ZOG.

For a relatively complete list see:

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/bookshelf/68

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grrm are you ok?

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Should I save up for the hardcover or mass market paperback instead of getting the ugly current paperback with the face on it?

>> No.19671462

>>19671386
I'm not that big of a fan of the foundation's sequels, but maybe if you're more well read in Asimov you may enjoy ot better as it references other works

>> No.19671466

>>19671447
retard

>> No.19671468

>>19671433
looks based

>> No.19671469

I need science fiction books that support my beliefs that women are the absolute worst scum of the earth trash.

Any suggestions?

>> No.19671477

>>19671466
Gay boy.

>> No.19671479

>>19671469
Touching grass and having sex.

>> No.19671492

>>19671469
>I need science fiction books that support my beliefs that women are the absolute worst scum of the earth trash.
Wheel of time

>> No.19671495

>>19671218
Some manual on suicide or some shit

>> No.19671497

>>19671477
pedophile

>> No.19671505

any iain m banks level sf novels published recently? i want good stuff and its been certainly a year or 2 since i read anything great.

>> No.19671508

>>19671505
Try google.

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19671519

Why are his books so comfy despite taking place in such a derivative setting?

>> No.19671520

>>19667574
Why does he always deny my prayers for a genuine, mutual, loving relationship with a woman then? Hmm?

>> No.19671522

>>19671519
Why do you ask such basic bitch question?

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>>19671497
And? I can write better prose than you. Here:

>The Fisherman

I pierced it on my fishing hook, cast over my shoulder—back across the dunes. Then like a good fisherman I stood and patiently waited, salt air in my hair, the line between my legs. After a minute, a trembling in the grass as of some rapidly advancing army. The game had begun.

Their ape faces sickened me as they all gathered on the sandy rise and began to chase the slimy thing at the end of my hook. And always it evaded their grasp, wriggled hideously upon the white sand, slipperier than the slipperiest eel.

Up on the grey dunes and down to the yellows, then further onward to the foredunes I led them, reeling, always reeling. They fell in slacks and tripped on the dune grass tufts, the mass of them roiling like a primordial ooze. Their starving eyes and mouths desiring of what they’d found, they’d run until they couldn’t. If they caught it, they’d kiss it until their lips cracked.

But I never let them bite, not once, never.

Before the sea the embryo dunes, after the embryo dunes, a drop. That was where I stood, on the lip above, coil tightening. In a moment, if I wasn’t careful, they’d be on top of me. I walked down to the beach’s level sands. As my catch gathered behind me, ravenous and vital, I threw rod and line and lure to the sea.

They couldn’t scramble fast enough. A group of them cried to it, called it their baby and their beloved, but those voices quickly died.

I might’ve taken them to a sea cliff, but I preferred to watch them drown.

Gametes are excellent bait for humans.

>> No.19671525

>>19666387
Bolo!

>> No.19671526

>>19671523
Fuck off to /wg/ retard.

>> No.19671532

>>19671526
Those peons don't understand writing.

>> No.19671533

>>19671532
Neither do you, so fuck off.

>> No.19671535

>>19671376
you're soulless.

>> No.19671536

>>19671533
Try to read it slowly. Maybe your little brain will understand the subtlety of the metaphor.

>> No.19671540

>>19671479
I've done both of these things. Still hasn't proven my belief that women are some of the most despicable fucking people I've ever had the misfortune of meeting wrong though.

Seriously, all they care or think about is money anon, it's insane.

>> No.19671541

>>19671536
just fuck off to /wg/.

>> No.19671543

>>19671334
kellhus is such a mary sue.

>> No.19671547

>>19671288
the fat man lives rent free.

>> No.19671548

>>19671541
/wg/ is for children who neither read nor write, I'm upgrading to /sffg/

>> No.19671549

>>19669859
Haven't read them sorry

>> No.19671552

>>19671523
this is shit.

>> No.19671558

>>19671552
That's not a valid criticism. You couldn't understand it because your brain is ruined by video games and pornography. Try again.

>> No.19671560

>>19671548
We don’t want your shorty writing. Go back to /wg/.

>> No.19671565

>>19671547
>the fat man lives
Not for much longer.

>> No.19671568

>>19671523
Haha, retard! Do you think I give a fuck, I can't write at all but you are still retarded, pedofile and pederast.

>> No.19671569

>>19671560
>Shorty
It's flash fiction, peon.

>> No.19671574

>>19671523
John Langan fucking sucks. The Fisherman just devolved into the stereotypical Lovecraft tropes of tentacles and fish etc. That I expected but didn't want.

I know you faggots hate Laird Barron but he's light-years ahead of Langan, Christ...

>> No.19671577

>>19671535
What's soulless?

>> No.19671578

>>19671569
Don’t care. Fuck off to /wg/.

>> No.19671580

>>19671568
Those aren't arguments or criticisms, just thinly veiled ad hominem attacks and baseless conjecture.

>> No.19671585

>>19671580
And so what?

>> No.19671594

>>19671585
Try better and use your brain. I know it's fairly mothballed now, but you can try to restart it.

>> No.19671595

>>19671565
>Not for much longer.
once you manage to kick him out of your head.

>> No.19671602

>>19671594
retard

>> No.19671611

>>19671602
Not an argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPbk0Yk6Pag

>> No.19671657

>>19667574
serious question, does he provide an age of consent? i though the only template in the new testament was immitating the relationship between God and the church

>> No.19671667

Are there any good cyoa books in which you, the reader, are not a main character?

>> No.19671700

>>19666553
they eat 2 jars of peanut butter that week

>> No.19671711

>>19668502
Hyperion?

>> No.19671734

>>19664025
Honestly, you can all laugh if you want but the best wizard is Mort from the galaxy outlaw books

>> No.19671875

>>19671447
neither, just rip it from z-library rather than give any money to that dipshit of an author.

after the shit he pulled with publishing the aspect-emperor series, not surprised he can't get the time of day from any halfway decent sff publisher anymore. and since his insufferable pride prevents him from even thinking about self-publishing, this means no new bakkershit.

which, sounds like an actual blessing for the world.

>> No.19671905

>>19667885
>Warhammer fantasy universe
are any of the Warhammer Fantasy or Warhammer 40k books worth reading?

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>>19667618
Possibly the most based post in the history of /lit/

>> No.19672006

>>19671905
I have read none of them, but I will say with the highest degree of confidence _NO

>> No.19672026

>>19671905
Yea, the old fantasy atlas.

>> No.19672526

>>19671875
can I get the skinny?

>> No.19672618

>>19671909
>sense for since
>promotion for pedophiles
>in the scifi general
>a/tard creams his panties for girls-as-kleenix normalization
I cannot stress enough how much I would like you and your hero to go fuck around in traffic right now.

>> No.19672630

Can someone go over here >>19672482 (You) (Cross-thread) and help an anon out to pick some books for this year? Thanks

>> No.19672632

>>19672630
No, fuck off.

>> No.19672641

>>19672630
Go read The Darkness That Comes Before, thank me later

>> No.19672669

Aurang: Pair them up with our erratics, I'll send a cant of calling.

Aurang: The flight plan I just filled with Shaeönanra lists me, the Cûnuroi, and this tribesman here but only one of you!

Aurang: First one to talk doesn't get dropped into that horde of Sranc below!

Aurang: Who are the Dunyain? Tell me about Kellhus, why does he wear the decapitants!

Aurang: A lot of loyalty for an autistic monk!

He fires his staff of light into the air

Mutilated: Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would kill a man before throwing him out of a plane...

Aurang: At least you can talk, who are you?

Mutilated: It doesn't matter who we are... What matters is our plan.

Mutilated: We have considered how you discovered our refuge, nobody cared about us for over two thousand years..

Aurang: If I destroyed Ishual, would you die?

Mutilated: It would be extremely painful...

Aurang: You're a smart guy!

Mutilated: For you.

Aurang: Was getting caught part of your plan?

Mutilated: Of course!

Aurang: Well congratulations, you got yourself caught! Now what's the next step of your master plan?

Mutilated: TAKING OVER THIS CONSULT... DISPOSING OF ANY WHO STAND IN OUR WAY, BRINGING ABOUT THE RETURN OF MOG PHAROU AND CLOSING THIS WORLD...

WITH ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTY FOUR THOUSAND SURVIVORS!

>> No.19672674

>>19672641
Duly noted, thanks

>>19672632
I love you too, anon. Thanks regardless

>> No.19672675

>>19672669
Stop spamming bullshit already.

>> No.19672680

>>19672669
Damn I read Cradle instead of this, guess I read the wrong thing

>> No.19672690

>>19671905
eisenhorn, ravenor, gaunts ghosts, legion, first heretic and betrayer

>> No.19672693

>>19672641
Wow, I've read the synopsis and it indeed looks very much like the kind of fictional setting I'd enjoy because it metaphorically portrays too much from our real world. I would disregard fiction because these books I'm planning to read are for "not entertain myself", but not only this looks like good quality but also it will go very close to the start of my reading list. Thanks again

>> No.19672700

>>19672690
Forgot Ciaphas Cain

>> No.19672833

I'm just now realizing, after finishing the Unholy Consult four months ago, that the Darkness That Comes Before isn't so much about what is justifiable when facing a horrific enemy like the Consult, but about what is justifiable when mankind is enslaved to its nature and the inability of men to see what drives their own actions. That's why everyone one is such a piece of shit in these books. The whole damnation/salvation element of Erwa's religion is just window dressing; they're already unable to make their own choices and damned to suffer.

How many human lives is it worth to escape the Consult? How many to escape the gods? If those are battles that have to be won at all costs, then obviously overcoming the darkness that comes before is just as necessary. And the cost would be humanity as a whole, since the Dunyain aren't really human anymore, and it also seems they are a ways from being fully free.

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Very based stories.

>> No.19673287

>>19664070
>>19669648
2021 In SFF Thoughts

2021 year really put into perspective for me how much I don't like most of the stories in the collections, anthologies, and magazines I read. Previously I was happy to entirely ignore that and be happy with those that I did like. Writing stuff about each one made it much more difficult. The two Le Guin collections I read didn't disappoint at all though. Her non-Hainish collections are more likely to disappointment and I probably won't be reading most of them. The other collections and anthologies were rather disappointing overall, but I'll still continue reading them because I do like short fiction. I stopped subscribing to Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine, though it wasn't really voluntarily. A mysterious billing error occurred on Amazon that I couldn't resolve and my subscription was cancelled. Maybe it was because I still was getting an extreme discount from when I first started subscribing in 2012 or thereabouts. I still have to look into it, but it seemed like the magazine was declining in both quality in terms of my enjoyment and proofreading, so I didn't care enough to subscribe again directly at the full price.

In novellas, which I really ought to read more of in 2022, the standouts were Vigilance and Elder Race. Both because of the emotional reaction they drew out of me, especially the former. I could've waited for my emotions to settle before rating and writing up stuff about them, but that wouldn't have been as fun for me and surely not as nice to read for others.

Novels were the main part of the year - I read almost 100 of them. The best were, in the order I read them:
Permutation City - Greg Egan
The Alien Years - Robert Silverberg
Hell Hath No Fury (Multiverse, #2) - David Weber
God Emperor of Dune (Dune, #4) - Frank Herbert
Fledgling - Octavia Butler
The Wall of Storms (The Dandelion Dynasty, #2) - Ken Liu
The Veiled Throne (The Dandelion Dynasty, #3) - Ken Liu

The biggest disappointment, which I'd define as expectations minus reality, was Chapterhouse: Dune (Dune, #6). Even though I knew not to expect at all, I was still surprised by how little I enjoyed it. I'm glad others could, but it wasn't for me. It ended up being one of my "liked" write-ups of the year, despite being one of the shortest and least detailed. The write-ups where I'm both emotional and negative tend to have been the more liked ones. Writing those sorts isn't what I want to do though.

The most "liked" novels were Permutation City and Seveneves, for opposite reasons. The most "liked" novella was Elder Race.

I quit the Discord late in 2021. The parting went well enough. I hope the book discussions continue there.

I suppose this is the last long post about 2021. I thought I was going to write more, but I guess not.

As for 2022, it's a mystery. Whatever will happen, will, and whatever doesn't, doesn't. I think it's very likely that I'll read far less this year. Everything is to be seen, day by day

>> No.19673413

>>19673287
>The write-ups where I'm both emotional and negative tend to have been the more liked ones.
You've stumbled upon something that journalists figured out ages ago; brief, emotional negativity gets engagement like nothing else

I think I asked you at the time but what in particular did you like about Permutation City?

>> No.19673417

>>19672833
I agree that the darkness enshrouds and ensnares all life in Eärwa, including the actions of all humanity, the Consult, the Nonmen, the Gods, and the Dûnyain themselves.

The Dûnyain are, as stated in the books, both more than human, and less. They are in many ways a failed experiment, autismo stretched to its fullest extent, to the point where they became blind to the reality of sorcery, blind to everything happening outside of their hermetically sealed fortress, horrible to the whalemothers and the defectives, etc. Kellhus is both the ultimate Dûnyain in terms of abilities, but also defective (as Moënghus correctly ascertained) in his susceptibility to madness and his vestigial humanity and emotions. The Survivor is the closest of the Dûnyain to achieving the Absolute, but even he was held back from total severance from the Darkness by his seemingly unnecessary compassion for the Crab-hand Boy. Similar to Kellhus’ own unnecessary and ultimately world-ending compassion for Esmenet and Kelmomas. I think one point that Bakker may be trying to make here is that although the darkness is all-consuming, trying to escape it and achieve the Absolute comes at the cost of one’s humanity. Don’t really know what I’m trying to say here, I’ve been drinking wine all day for New Years.

>> No.19673437

>>19673417
>unnecessary
I think irrational is the word I meant to use. Pardon my pinot-induced hamfistedness.

Also, I’m not sure what distinguishes “soul” from “humanity” in Bakker’s work. They seem connected, but not identical. There seems to be a tragic-heroic drive to preserve one’s humanity even at the cost of losing one’s soul to damnation, which many of the more sympathetic characters, especially Akka (but also Kellhus at his most “tender”) exhibit.

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How can anybody take goodreads reviews seriously is beyond me.

>> No.19673705

>>19673674
What

>> No.19673753

>>19673674
I can't recall anything even remotely offensive in Ender's game or subsequent books, but then again I'm just an uneducated barbarian, who am I to doubt people who have entire fucking degrees on a subject of how to get offended by everything.

>> No.19673790

>>19673753
It's not about what's written in any of his works of fiction, it's about Card being an outspoken conservative mormon who is opposed to gay marriage.

>> No.19673818

>>19673753
Of course there was nothing offended, but as the other anon writes, she clearly read an article that the author is one of the baddies and she unleashed her revenge in the form of 1 star review. There were actually strong female characters in EG. One just has to laugh, it's all the same with these single cat owners.

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>>19671469
anything nominated for a modern hugo or praised by reddit for meeting current year standards

doubly so if you count creatures like these as women

>> No.19674039

>>19673674
archive.md/BSmDs

I shudder to think what goodreads considers good/what's highest rated on there. Probably oppression porn

>> No.19674052

>>19673674
>Take yo sexist hype out of here, le sigh.
I’ve never understood this lol, orson forces some lame stuff into his later books but the first couple of stuff is good.
I’m guessing the reaction is because there’s only Petra and Valentine as prominent big role characters in the first book and that reviewer wants an unrealistic 50/50 depiction in a war story of all things. Petra is just as good as any one in the camp and better than most, Valentine is intelligent and not up her own ass like Peter.

>> No.19674068
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Do you think fantasy can ever be great again?

>> No.19674147

>>19674037
Seriously asking, how do we exterminate these creatures?

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>>19674068
Define "great".

>> No.19674151

>>19674068
any fandom has a chance if it practices some gatekeeping and standards. Problem is when it's hijacked it becomes even more difficult to get back to a high standard, and trying to filter out such elements results in vicious attacks. See gamergate, the puppies campaign

I think eventually there's going to be a renaissance. We're in the dark ages with many forms of media, so long as these people have a stranglehold on media and outlets it's going to be a struggle, but I think eventually people are going to get sick of this shit. Best to look towards counter cultures, often what starts as subversive or opposed to the mainstream ends up setting trends. Look at the 90s and how media set the bar for things even to this day. If something can manage to get popular on its merits and quality it's going to lay the groundwork for things to stop getting praised and published bc diversity

>> No.19674155

>>19674147
Statistically speaking, they do that themselves.

>> No.19674160

>>19674155
50% are still rookie numbers in my book

>> No.19674161

>>19674149
I'd be happy if even a single fantasy book came out that wasn't modernist in its presentation of its setting and was a lot more spiritual

>> No.19674165

>>19674147
they're highly adverse to truth, calling it like you see it can go a long way. Dangerhair ogres don't make for very dainty ladies, and despite having a hulking frame like a linebacker the emotional/mental state is closer to fine china

>> No.19674183

>>19674165
>Dangerhair ogres don't make for very dainty ladies, and despite having a hulking frame like a linebacker the emotional/mental state is closer to fine china
The best quote in this thread. Made me laugh, well said.

>> No.19674195

>>19674183
Are you retarded

>> No.19674199

>>19674195
the ogre reveal xirself

>> No.19674201

>>19674195
No, I was waiting for you trannies to appear. It didn't take too long.

>> No.19674217

>>19674199
>>19674201
I really hope you guys are just acting retarded.

>> No.19674282

>>19674161
Such as what?

>> No.19674284

>>19674282
what do you mean?

>> No.19674311

>>19674284
Fantasy books that aren't modernist in their presentation, do you have any examples? The Worm Ouroboros, maybe? Mort d'Arthur?

>> No.19674317

>>19674311
Lord of the Rings and Narnia.
ASoIaF tries but it's a profoundly american book

>> No.19674324

>>19674311
>aren't modernist in their presentation
What a stupid thing to complain about.

>> No.19674327

>>19674324
fuck off ameritrash

>> No.19674331

>>19674327
Not an argument. Find something better to complain about.

>> No.19674337

>>19674331
>JUST let people enjoy things!!1

>> No.19674341

>>19674331
You lose all credibility when your main concern is deflecting criticism just because you think it's "pointless criticism" or whatever else they teach you in consoomer school

>> No.19674345

>>19674327
>He says, on an American website.

>> No.19674362

>>19674345
>only USA speaks English and internet has borders
t. brainlet

>> No.19674367

>>19672618
At least the pedophiles have the common decency not to namefag.
Nothing you say will, or should be met with anything except derision while you have the digital equivalent of shit running down the back of your shorts.

>> No.19674370

>>19674362
Whatever you say, it’s nothing but cope.

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>>19674370

>> No.19674396

>>19674341
It truly is pointless criticism. Especially when it’s often repeated in here.

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>>19674396
sorry but no literature that's steeped in the tropes and cultures of modernity can even be called "fantasy". That's the opposite of what fantasy is
Yes that means that brando sando isn't a fantasy writer. He writes pop fiction and low level sci-fi

>> No.19674406

>>19674401
Now you’re just being a contrarian retard.

>> No.19674415

>>19674406
It's the absolute truth. Fantasy is based in mythology, theology, etc. It features things like tradition, spirituality, and the wonder of the unknown.
The Capeshit that these nu-fantasy writers pump out doesn't qualify. Simple as that

>> No.19674422

>>19674415
Yep, retarded.

>> No.19674437

>>19674415
>Fantasy is a genre of speculative fiction involving magical elements, typically set in a fictional universe and sometimes inspired by mythology and folklore.

>> No.19674449

>>19674437
>WIKIPEDIA TOLD ME SO

>> No.19674450

>>19674449
Better than your dumb definition on it.

>> No.19674456

>>19674450
my definition is correct, because otherwise you can't explain the enormous inexplicable difference between old fantasy and nu-fantasy. They are two genres with completely different philosophies and themes. Postmodern genres can't be put into the same category as their barely-predecessors
nu-fantasy has more in common with lego video games, theme parks, and comic books than it does with mythology

>> No.19674462

>>19674456
Yeah, after this post, I’m going with >>19674437

>> No.19674473

>>19674456
Your definition is subjective not to mention idiotic.

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>all fantasy is...LE SAME
what a fucking thread. I'm done for the day

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I just read this and liked it.

>> No.19674488

>>19674475
If that’s what you took from it, then you really are a retard.

>> No.19674504

>>19674487
>Peter Watts
I heard good things about him, is his other works any good?

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Arguing that modern fantasy is the same as traditional fantasy just because they share a symbology, surface-level elements, and an aesthetic is literally like calling trannies valid women

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How long does this thing take to update?
I just rated like 30 books about an hour ago.

>> No.19674517

>>19674507
No one mentioned trannies, you got to stop letting them live rent free in your head.

>> No.19674534

>>19674512
Then wait another hour. Why the rush?

>> No.19674542

>>19674534
Zoomers have no patience whatsoever. I can’t imagine them using dial-up.

>> No.19674543

>>19674504
Starting on Echopraxia now, perhaps it will be good.
He published the book on his site, there's also an epub verison of it: https://rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

>> No.19674549

New thread
>>19674547

>> No.19674556

>>19674543
>https://rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
thanks

>> No.19674585

>>19674517
plenty of trannies mentioned itt, let alone plenty of trannies are posting

>> No.19674591

>>19674585
You got to seek help.

>> No.19675961

I kind of missed this in the second Darkness That Comes Before series the first time. So obviously the Gods are only taken so seriously in Erwa. Many ignore their commandments. Akka doubts the damnation of sorcerers and is more concerned with the Consult/No God. It's an exceptional thing when the cultists of Yatwer actually start doing things. However, the last Cishaurim is very clearly aware of the Gods. The priestess/avatar of the Mother of Birth talks to him about how the Cishaurim have gone to the Outside, the Afterlife, and seen that mankind's souls are the food of the Gods, the world is a granary to deliver them souls to torture. I am pretty sure he refers to her, a God, as a Ciphrang too. And the Cishaurim are all about the Solitary God behind and above the Gods, more of an actual omnipotent being, an ontological creator, not just a demon with power in the world like the Hundred.

But, I didn't think of this when, hundreds of pages later (the second series needed some editing) Kellhus is now going off to the Outside, and is talking to Proyas about the God of Gods (sounds like the Solitary God). Now how does he do this? Does he have the magic of the Cishaurim? Or does he go using a different route.

I think it is the former now. The similarities are too coincidental. He seems to be doing Cishaurim magic that even Gnostics can't do (or else Akka would know about the Gods). Second, at the end of TUC, Kellhus has an absolute hideous, Ciphrang mark when Akka sees him. His sorcery is so powerful it's overwhelming. But then when he starts floating, he does so without saying magic words and that time Akka sees no mark. The Cishaurim also leave no mark.

So, I think this is supposed to be a hint that Kellhus has mastered the Cishaurim magic, but his father couldn't do shit with it because he lacked passion. I think this is foreshadowing that something very radical has shifted in Kellhus from the other Dunyain.

Now it could be that Ajokli was using him then, and that's how it worked. I don't think so though. I think Ajolki could only manifest in the Golden Room because it was Hell on Earth, just like the Ciphrang could once they got there.

You get very few looks inside at Kellhus in the second series, but in the one you do, he seems to genuinely believe in this alien God of Gods, but he's also described as a spider, but he also genuinely seems sad that he's about to have to execute a plan that will kill his wife and children and all his people. But IDK how sad, because he rapes Proyas right after that reflection.

>> No.19676094

>>19675961
why not post that in the new thread?

>> No.19676202

>>19674487
great book. One of my favorite sci-fis