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19662105 No.19662105 [Reply] [Original]

>Women weren't allowed to perform in theater during Shakespeare's time
>So Romeo and Juliet were both played by men
>It's also considered a Comedy, so people in the audience were laughing when they died

>> No.19662118

>>19662105
Shakespeare plays acted by Monty Python sound kino to me.

>> No.19662137

1. it was basically pre-hollyweird, so the women were played by little boys who were sometimes abducted and forced into these roles (legally)
2. It's a tragedy with comedic elements, retard.

>> No.19662164
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>>19662137

>> No.19662171

>>19662105
Imagine what a 17th century retard's reaction would've been like to that Romeo and Juliet where you see her tits.

>> No.19662182

>>19662105
>Shakespeare designed and financed the construction of the Globe Theatre, the initial and rather ambitious design of which had to be discarded and heavily revised halfway through construction when it was discovered that the foundations would roll away if the scaffolding were removed.
>Most of the audience consisted of "groundlings," so called because they sat on the ground and rolled around like drunken voles during the performances.
>The curse of the Scottish Play was first discovered during its development before the script was written. It's estimated that over fifteen cast members and their understudies died from a variety of causes and the Globe burnt down twice before Shakespeare got the message and wrote down the title instead of just saying it. Shakespeare wore a placard around his neck with the word "Macbeth" crudely scrawled upon it, which he would flip over whenever circumstances required him to communicate the title, making for a rather stilted preproduction process, especially in pitch meetings with producers.

>> No.19662298

>>19662182
ahh, anglos

>> No.19662333
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>>19662105
>>It's also considered a Comedy
no
>>So Romeo and Juliet were both played by men
Juliet by a boy

>>19662182
Is this a competition in making bullshit up?

>> No.19662386

>>19662333
>>19662137
>the women were played by little boys who were sometimes abducted and forced into these roles (legally)
>Juliet by a boy
I get the feeling that Shakespeare will be trending again on /lit/

>> No.19662394

>>19662105
>It's also considered a Comedy
It's not. It's considered a tragedy because it has a tragic ending.

>> No.19662414
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>>19662394
Comedies, Vol. 1 (Everyman's Library)

This volume contains:

The Comedy of Errors
The Taming of the Shrew
The Two Gentlemen of Verona
Love's Labor's Lost
A Midsummer Night's Dream
Romeo and Juliet

>> No.19662445

>>19662105
The word "comedy" didn't have the same meaning back then

>> No.19662513
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>>19662414
Mr. William Shakespeare's Comedies, Histories, & Tragedies, AKA the First Folio, 1623
you also ignored the pic I posted above, the first edition from 1597, a "Tragedie"
a modern editor doing a retarded and unfounded reclassification that no other editor follows has absolutely no bearing on what people thought in Shakespeare's time

>>19662445
That's supposed to be the answer when a smartass or a dumb fuck points out that Dante's Divine Comedy isn't funny. ITT is an another matter, and you're dumb for taking OP's claim for granted.

>> No.19662648

Is R&J a comedy because the war between the two houses ends?

>> No.19662671

The Portrait of Mr. W H, by Oscar Wilde, is about this exact thing. He hypothesizes that Bill fell in love with one of these young boy actors, wrote most of his great women parts for him, and that he wrote his sonnets in an attempt to woo him. Platonically, of course.

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>>19662648
I used to think that my life was a tragedy

>> No.19663133

>>19662713
As they say, one man's pain is another, usually richer man's amusement.

>> No.19663150

>>19662386
I didn’t know shakes was a faggot

>> No.19663152

>>19663150
Read the sonnets

>> No.19663232

>>19662105
>>It's also considered a Comedy
for starters it wasn't and even if it was a comedy, back then comedy and tragedy didn't have the same meaning as today
>comedy
usually something that ended in a positive or amusing note or a happy ending
>tragedy
it was the opposite, something that might have started in a positive tone (romeo and juliet as a love tale) but ended in a negative note (in case of romeo and juliet a bunch of dead people)

>> No.19663241

>>19662105
>So Romeo and Juliet were both played by men

This is still the case in Afghanistan is my understanding

>> No.19663390

>>19663232
Why do people repeat this nonsense with no regard for time or place? That's Dante's explanation for his title of the Comedy (also IIRC somewhat supported by Aristotle), it obviously wasn't what Shakespeare had in mind three centuries later. Do King Lear and Hamlet start in a positive tone to you?

>> No.19663422

>>19662513
Interesting that Merchant of Venice was considered a comedy. I thought that was pretty dark.

>> No.19663623

>>19663241
kek

>> No.19663627

>>19663232
>usually something that ended in a positive or amusing note or a happy ending
in 10 seconds name one comedy that's not funny and not Dante

>> No.19663631

>>19663390
what did shakes "obviously" have in mind three centuries later then?

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>>19663631
thank u fren

>> No.19663656

>>19663648
fuck wrong thread please ignore that anon

>> No.19663660

>>19663232
>in case of romeo and juliet a bunch of dead people
don't forget that juliet was a trap

>> No.19663750

>>19663390
what does the word "might" even means

tragedy is bad ending how it starts doesn't matter

>> No.19663944

>>19663648
>To bomb, or not to bomb--that is the question: whether 'tis nobler to suffer the secondary activities of the Industrial Society, or to craft a shack amidst the woods and write a manifesto... And by revolution (and perhaps a little terrorism), end its disastrous consequences...

>> No.19664110

>>19662105
kill the jester

>> No.19664118

>>19662171
He would onions

>> No.19664148

R&J is not a comedy. Everything else is right, including the laughter.

>> No.19664214

>>19662333
imagine calling your own work "excellent". man they had some balls back then.

>> No.19665937

>>19662445
What did it mean back then?

>> No.19665961

>>19665937
A story that has a happy ending.

>> No.19666604

>>19665961
I think like according to aristotle tradgedies were people of noble birth coming to ignoble ends through their own faults, while comedies were about low borns failing upwards.

>> No.19666616

>>19662105
That was the way of all theatre up until I guess the 18th century? I know great women actors who played both genders were in the 18th century. Greeks didn't have any women either.

>>19662137
Reddit history.

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>>19663944
Hehe, niiiiiiiice

>> No.19666711

>>19662105
I’m beginning to agree with Tolkien that Shakespeare was a bunch of dangerous nonsense

>> No.19666818

>>19666616
> Reddit history.
It's true, it happed.
It was controversial though, and it eventually fell out of favor.

>> No.19667068

>>19663944
kek anon, i guess my retardation at least something come of it