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[Anonymous No.19656496]

at what age did you grow out of anti-natalism?

[Anonymous No.19656507]

>>19656496
I never was an anti-natalist.
I believe that everyone should aspire to have children as it's the prime biological imperative.
My respect for anti-natalists would rise from
>dogshit I accidently stepped into
up to
>the annoying summer mosquito who doesn't wanna let me sleep
if they also advocated for celibacy.
But they're braindead, cowardly cunts who want to coom and have relationships, even though the entire point of those is ultimately starting a family.

[Anonymous No.19656513]

This is hell. The real hell, right now and always.

Do these people really think we can control it? We can't save potential people, nor can we go out of existence. We're stuck like this for eternity. There is no preventative measure. There is no remedy.

[Anonymous No.19656943]

>>19656496
I practice it at personal level but I don't "agree" with general principles of morality those authors want to promote but neither do said authors desu, so sincerely they are all defeatists, just like me.

[Anonymous No.19657012]

>>19656496
No, I will not have children
Yes, I am white
Get the cannon fodder for your race war somewhere else

[Anonymous No.19657028]

>>19656496
For me, at 16. I’m 29 now.

[Anonymous No.19657042]

>>19656496
As I am growing older Pessimism is making more and more sense.

[Anonymous No.19657053]

>>19656496
The age when I first read the Bhagavad Gita, so probably around 18 or 19. Life's only gotten better and more wholesome since then. Death is still certain.

[Anonymous No.19657063]

>>19656496
Anti-natalists, why not just kill yourself and be happy?

[Anonymous No.19657069]

My discontent flourishes and I am no longer content with calling myself and anti-natalist

[Anonymous No.19657089]

>>19656496
Antinatalism, pessimism and nihilism are for idiots who get filtered into self pity. Instead of just doing something fun, find some purpose and meaning they are obsessed with muh nothing matters and muh universe is le doomed.
You can possess doomer beliefs but you don't have to obsess over them. Negative attitude towards everything is not only childish but idiotic. You are going to spend your entire life doing nothing and then regretting not doing anything.

[Anonymous No.19657091]

>>19657089
Based

[Anonymous No.19657095]

>>19656943
>I practice it at personal level
So you're an incel, got it

[Anonymous No.19657108]

>>19657095
>an incel
I'm a disgusting cripple, so in a way? Yes, that too.

[Sage No.19657119]

>>19657089
How do I fix that? I've tried therapy and psychedelics, but I can't seem to have fun. Even when I'm with my friends and drunk I can't have fun. What do?
>inb4 dyel
I already go to the gym.
>inb4 godlet
I've read most books of the bible and I'm reading the Quran, and even if they have good teachings, it didn't spark my faith.

[Anonymous No.19657143]

>>19657108
Post story

[Anonymous No.19657144]

>>19657089
yeah its features are more similar to a mental illness leading to depression and suicide than any sort of workable life ethos

[Anonymous No.19657153]

>>19657119
idk man i'm 27 but around two years ago i sort of just stopped feeling sorry for myself because time is running out, i think getting balls deep in bitcoin killed any emotions i have left and allowed me to achieve true stoicism (something which is useful when you store your net worth in retardland)

[Anonymous No.19657197]

>>19657089
It's not self pity but the bigger picture of life. All is nothing already, 107 billion people have came before, so I am not sure what doing "something" means in comparison to doing "nothing" with your life on this shithole of a planet.

[Anonymous No.19657204]

>>19657119
What do you like to do? Start finding your passion and get into that. Start going outside more. Find something meaningful to do. Something that you actually want to do. It doesn't have to be about getting pussyhole or making money or pleasing 4channers or getting shilled into some memes.
You should understand that the world is pretty much always stacked against you, and that should be more encouraging than discouraging. Set yourself realistic goals in life and focus on your passion. The chances are you wont achieve a perfect Stoic state, 18B in bitcoin, Giga Chad physique, absolute ascended religious state of soul, speak 18 dead languages, and possess bottomless wisdom. You should be humble and appreciate experiences while they last.

>>19657197
This is the mindset that you are going to either regret or cringe later in life.

[Anonymous No.19657211]

>>19657095
and what are you?

[Anonymous No.19657267]

>>19657204
>This is the mindset that you are going to either regret or cringe later in life.
Regret is here to stay no matter what you do in life, I have no delusions about it because I have stared into the emptiness which exist in old people's eyes. I have also no delusions about the fragility of life and my own insignificance because I know a forgotten graveyard. We might the casual force of universe for ourselves subjectively when we zoom out things are different then what we think.

[Anonymous No.19657268]

>It impossible to be content and anti-natalist bro... you're just depressed (A word I made up which can be cured with meds) go get a girlfriend or workout take long walks on the beach bro

[Anonymous No.19657305]

>>19657267
>World is.... le bad
Try to accept reality, accept pleasure, accept experiences and move on from le doomerism. Realizing that the world is pretty bad is part of life but so is move on. You can't get stuck and tell yourself you can't do anything because the way the world happens to be. The world is indifferent to you, and you should be indifferent to the world. Waiting for the entire universe to change and to fit your arbitrary standards in order to be content is ridiculous.
If the world truly is so bad then why does it matter if you, instead of crying about it, had fun and were indifferent to the so cruel world?

[Anonymous No.19657322]

Around 21 so three years ago
Anons like >>19656507 are still retarded though

[Anonymous No.19657332]

>>19657089
>You can possess doomer beliefs but you don't have to obsess over them. Negative attitude towards everything is not only childish but idiotic. You are going to spend your entire life doing nothing and then regretting not doing anything.
based and correct

[Anonymous No.19657353]

>>19657305
Your perspective is right except the fun part and indifference. Indifference is almost impossible, I posses a fucking heart which will not stop feeling until its death. Of course this larger picture of life isn't compatible with life and this is the paradox of Being which has no solutions.

[Anonymous No.19657608]

I had a glancing relationship with anti-natalism a few years back, but could never get into it. The entire thing reeks of moral cowardice.

And, to invoke the old anti-anti-natalist refrain, if life is so terrible why don't these anti-natalists just walk into traffic and end it all?
Answer: you can't whine about how unfair life is for you specifically if you're dead.

[Anonymous No.19657632]

>>19657608
So how many kids you have?

[Anonymous No.19657639]

>>19656496
13/14 but i wish it was never introduced to me

[Anonymous No.19657728]

>>19657632

>If he's not explicitly anti-natalist then he must have kids

Literal retardation. I don't want kids because I know I wouldn't be a good parent, not because I think the universe is some unending malevolent hell nightmare or whatever the fuck.

[Anonymous No.19657747]

>>19656496
I was around 25. However I don't want to bring children into this hell world until I've found the right woman who will live in rural England with me and homeschool them.
I'd make a little norf army in that case

[Anonymous No.19657755]

>>19657728
Nice cope my dear antinatalist

[Anonymous No.19657787]

>>19657755

>I am not an anti-natalist and here is why
>lol cope

I remember when people actually used to put effort into their posts.

[Anonymous No.19657803]

>>19657787
Antinatalism only deals with the procreation question. You're an antinatalist.

[Anonymous No.19657833]

People only keep themselves busy to avoid boredom.

Everybody complains that they’re so busy they haven’t got any time. But why are they so busy? It’s only their illusions that keep them busy. A person who practices zazen has time. When you practice zazen, you have more time than anyone else in the world.

If you aren’t careful, you’ll start making a big fuss just to feed yourself. You’re constantly in a hurry, but why? Just to feed yourself. Chickens too are in a hurry when they peck at their food. But why? Only to be eaten by humans.

How many illusions does a person create in their lifetime? It’s impossible to calculate. Day in, day out, “I want this, I want that...” A single stroll in the park is accompanied by 50,000, 100,000 illusions. So that’s what it means to be “busy”. “I want to be with you, I want to come home, I want to see you...”

People are constantly out of breath – from running so quickly after their illusions.

You want to reach nirvana to be liberated from your present life? It is exactly that attitude which is called “transmigration”.

The development of transportation has made the world smaller. Now we race around in cars, but where to anyway? To the arcade! We step on the gas, just to kill time.

[Anonymous No.19657856]

What a shame to have been born a human being and to spend your whole life worrying. You should reach the point where you can be happy to have been born a human.

Birth, old age, sickness and death – we can’t fool around with these ultimate facts.

Reality: getting a handle on this must be our goal. Don’t get stuck in categories.

It’s strange that not a single person seriously considers his own life. For ages, we’ve been carrying around something uncooked. And we comfort ourselves with the fact that it’s the same for the others too. That’s what I call group stupidity: thinking that we just have to be like the others.
Satori means creating your own life. It means waking up from group stupidity.

In a part of Manchuria, the carts are pulled by huge dogs. The driver hangs a piece of meat in front of the dog’s nose, and the dog runs like crazy to try to get at it. But of course he can’t. He’s only thrown his meat after the cart has finally reached its destination. Then in a single gulp, he swallows it down.
It’s exactly the same with people and their pay checks. Until the end of the month they run after the salary hanging in front of their noses. Once the salary is paid, they gulp it down, and they’re already off: running after the next payday.

Nobody can see further than the end of their nose. Everyone believes that their life somehow has meaning, but they’re really no different from swallows: the males gather food, the females sit on the eggs.

Most people aren’t following any clear approach to life. They get by with makeshift methods, like rubbing lotion on a cramped shoulder.

The question is: why are you straining your forehead so much?

If you aren’t careful, you’ll spend your whole life doing nothing besides waiting for your ordinary-person hopes to someday be fulfilled.

[Anonymous No.19657994]

>>19657803
Antinatalism deals with normative claims, you stupid fucking idiot. Fuck off to /pol/ or somewhere else because philosophy is too much for your shit brain.
Someone can be child-free, which is just preference based, without being antinatalist for example.
Natalist morons like you actually strengthen antinatalists. You might as well say everyone who can't have kids, including being infertile, should commit suicide.
Your worldview is just as nihilistic, if not moreso, than most antinatalists.

[Anonymous No.19658012]

>>19657856
A weak and womanly way of looking at life. Zazen is the illusion, the idea that suffering and the ratrace hold no meaning

[Anonymous No.19658014]

>>19657994
Go back to plebbit bro, I think r/antinatalist gave you too much downboats or you're now rebelling against your le bugman past.

[Anonymous No.19658024]

>>19657856
What you're doing on the internet then? Every fad of satisfaction, happiness and fulfilment is retarded.

[Anonymous No.19658027]

>>19658014
Plebbit suits you more.
You're ridiculous. Why would you want other people to have kids anyways? That means less resources for your own, you fucking idiot. Most people would throw your own kids under the bus for their own and vice versa.
If I had kids, I would be far more Machiavellian in real life. I would promote antinatalism in order to manipulate others in order to secure more resources for my own and less competition to boot.
Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.19658055]

>>19658027
Antinatalism is primitive, look at all of the monks/hermits/mystics/saints. Most philosophers were childless too.

r/pessimism is a good sub, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.19658062]

>>19658055
I agree with your point on celibacy.
I just don't agree with your natalist views. Both antinatalism and natalism are untenable normative positions. I have no decent arguments for why one **ought** to procreate or not procreate.

[Anonymous No.19658235]

>>19658024
I'm here to shitpost, personally

[Anonymous No.19658388]

David Benatar is exceptionally well spoken

https://www.youtube.com/c/DavidBenatarOnAntinatalism/videos

[Anonymous No.19659271]

>>19657197
You gotta get rid of this nasty habit of comparing yourself to the entirety of the World. What rationality is there in that? How is it most accurate to look at things on a universal scale compared to, say, on a quantum plane, especially when such impressions are based on secondhand observation made to fit your level of sensation? Believing in one's own value is no less rational, and even of it was, why do you place so much value on this secular worldview? Truth is not unfiltered information; it is a hierarchy of knowledge for what is important, and importance is a human concept. Will you not get the furthest by operating at a human level, the one you are of and best made to navigate? Isn't that most sensible? You yourself don't see the World as a marble and you as an ant, but as an environment you can't view all at once with good resolution and yourself as the lens, interpreter, and engager of all else.

[Anonymous No.19659374]

>>19656496
Every true man has that turning point in there life where they go from a know it all twit who hates babys and children to wanting a family more than anything ells in the world, and to provide, and love his family and children. I am very very skeptical of men who still show disdain for children past the age of about 20.