Borges Thread

[Anonymous No.19649718]

What’s his endgame? Is literary forgery metafictional or is it something else? What is the significance of fictional (I.e. fabricated) literary objects in his works?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.19649889]

LAS DE BOBORGES

FICCIONES, NO FICCIONES:

AMBAS CEROTES.


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[Anonymous No.19649926]

The secret is that borges wrote about them because he found them interesting, he really liked books

[Anonymous No.19650071]

>>19649926
Mise en abyme. Doesn’t that create a contradictory Crisis of representation?

[Anonymous No.19650804]

>>19650071
You sound like a little kid throwing around big words to seem smart but it comes off as jarring and weird

[Anonymous No.19650807]

>>19649889
Is this yassified Timothee Chalamet

[Anonymous No.19650818]

>>19649718
>What’s his endgame?
He's dead. He has no endgame.

[Anonymous No.19651343]

>>19650818
Apostrophe s could be past tense though.

[Anonymous No.19651388]

the way I see it, Borges does what he does because he lacks imagination to write proper novels/stories, but his writing is way too good to be wasted.
There's other writers that share the same problem (no imagination, but top quality writing), they usually publish epistolography and/or autobiographic stories. Borges solution is a third way, I guess

[Anonymous No.19651454]

>>19651388
>because he lacks imagination
You are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.19651772]

>>19651454
don't cut the sentence in half. he lacks imagination to write proper novels/stories is what I said. Which is a characteristic of some writers.
how else would you explain it he never published any?

[Anonymous No.19651784]

>>19651388
He has a preference for short stories as a form. It’s not because “he lacks the imagination for novels”

[Anonymous No.19652632]

>>19649889
Cállate puto

[Anonymous No.19652647]

>>19649718
Mixed fictionalized metaphysical allegorical intertextuality is subtle inspirational in all Borges works

[Anonymous No.19653074]

>>19649718
>What is the significance of fictional (I.e. fabricated) literary objects in his works?
Just another turn in the labyrinth, chud!

[Anonymous No.19653104]

>>19649718
Too bad I can't pirate his collected essays. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere.

[Anonymous No.19653126]

>>19653104
Have you ever looked in a library or considered learning Spanish?

Or even checking archive.org?

[Anonymous No.19653322]

>>19650804
You sound retarded and likely didn’t go to college to study art or literature.

[Anonymous No.19653359]

>>19649718
Borges was just there to play games, to have fun. There's no "endgame." Joy was his endgame. He read for pleasure and he wrote for pleasure.

[Anonymous No.19653365]

>>19653104
There's no *collected* essays in English as far as I know. But there's pic related.

[Anonymous No.19653380]

borges is great. library of babel is a beautiful thought experiment

whats this thread about

[Anonymous No.19653603]

>>19653380
It's asking questions that maybe can't be answered. Let this be your maxim: Ti esti?

[Anonymous No.19653625]

>>19653126
That's an option, but I'm kinda too lazy to do both.
>>19653365
Yes, that's a nice edition by Weinberger, it's even on libgen. But it seems very incomplete, I think Borges wrote way more essays than those. I think there's a complete edition in German, might try that.

[Anonymous No.19653704]

>>19653625
>it seems very incomplete, I think Borges wrote way more essays than those.
Yea, I mean it's called Selected non-fiction, not Collected non-fiction.

[Anonymous No.19653946]

>>19653359
>Fun

It's the most boring writer and as person too, get off pseud

[Anonymous No.19653954]

>>19653946
I'm not sure what you mean. Reading Borges is pure joy and he was a wise old man to listen to.

[Anonymous No.19654218]

I prefer Céline.

[Anonymous No.19654232]

>>19654218
t. incéline

[Anonymous No.19654309]

>>19653954
You're a fucking retard pseud, Borges is sooooo boring

[Anonymous No.19654314]

>>19654309
Huh? He's one the most interesting and fun to read authors out there.

[Anonymous No.19654636]

>>19651388
>Borges lacks imagination
ngmi

[Anonymous No.19654643]

How hard is it to read borges in spanish?
Will I be able to comprehend most of it with a dictionary in 3 years of learning spanish?

[Anonymous No.19654663]

>>19654643
>How hard is it to read borges in spanish?
The prose itself is clean and elegant. It's the references you must understand.
>Will I be able to comprehend most of it with a dictionary in 3 years of learning spanish?
Probably but maybe it's too hard if this is your first Spanish-language author. Have a go: https://www.ingenieria.unam.mx/dcsyhfi/material_didactico/Literatura_Hispanoamericana_Contemporanea/Autores_B/BORGES/ruinas.pdf

[Anonymous No.19654701]

>>19654643
I read a bilingual Spanish-French version of Ficciones after a few months of study. It's not that hard. He uses a fairly simple Latin vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.19654744]

Would you call all of Ficciones fantasy or only some of the stories? It is an interesting form of fantastical fiction, without all the mythopoetic epic elements found in, say, Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.19655043]

>>19654744
It depends if you consider fantasy purely folkloric or mythic. Speculative fiction is an appropriate term. Ontological mysteries and philosophical narratives fit under it pretty well and leave it unburdened by the question of whether or not they're purely fantasies.

[Anonymous No.19655063]

>>19654744
They're stories with a fantastic element. I wouldn't say they're fantasy in the way that word is used in English literature.

[Anonymous No.19655068]

>>19651388
This is what bourgeois sensibilities do to your brain.

[Anonymous No.19655086]

>>19649718
I keep seeing people mention this guy. what is his best book and is it in english? I refuse to learn another language to read some meme author.

[Anonymous No.19655088]

>>19649718
>What’s his endgame?
Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius

[Anonymous No.19655105]

>>19655086
>what is his best book and is it in english?
Read Ficciones ('Fictions') and yes, it's in English. If you like it, continue with a Penguin edition that collects all his tales called 'Collected Fictions' (not to be confused with plain Ficciones)

[Anonymous No.19655251]

>>19651772
He said novels were shit.
>>19654643
It is quite simple, since his style is a bit anglophone. Part of his talent is portraying rich images or abstract concepts with few words in a language where a lot of words are off-puttingly too long.
>>19655086
He isn't a meme author, he's universally respected and seen as one of the best Spanish writers of all time (not necessarily making him good, just popular).

[Anonymous No.19655258]

>>19655251
>It is quite simple, since his style is a bit anglophone.
He uses next to zero anglicisms.

[Anonymous No.19655311]

>>19655258
It isn't the words but rather the intent to emulate English's rhythm, since a word's sound usually describes its meaning (for example, "quick" is short, "slowly" is long).

[Anonymous No.19655463]

>>19652647
>Mixed fictionalized metaphysical allegorical intertextuality is subtle inspirational in all Borges works

Just this, all the rest of the comments are full of pseuds from Argentina

[Anonymous No.19655473]

>>19655463
Argentines don't even have access to the internet lmao

[Anonymous No.19655573]

>>19655473
GTFO

[Anonymous No.19656340]

I really like the ironic style of the al mu'tasim story

[Anonymous No.19657014]

>>19649889
Shut the fuck up cumgenius

[Anonymous No.19657671]

>>19653322

I remember my freshman year

[Anonymous No.19657683]

>>19654309

>getting filtered by Borges

You don't belong here

[Anonymous No.19657692]

>>19655086

Whichever book you start with, try to find the Norman di Giovanni translations. Borges personally assisted with NdG's translations so it's as close to the native Argentinian as you'll get.

[Anonymous No.19657738]

>>19649718
His use of invented authors as narrative artifacts is just a way to reify the immersion of the “exterior” text (the fictional work written by Borges). The more layers he adds, the more readers acknowledge that parts of his story are, indeed, fictitious, the more the underlying work seems real. This is, of course, only one facet of its usage. Borges also just wants to explore the relation an author’s work has to themselves: how it can be disassociated, how it arises (inspiration v.a. deliberation), is it original? In Pierre Menard he does this hilariously by presenting two portions of Don Quixote in succession, one from Cervantes and one from Menard, and although the paragraphs are identical, the narrator disingenuously pretends there’s a difference in their meaning/impact simply from knowledge of the two author’s differences.

[Anonymous No.19659073]

>>19657683
>"Filtered"

Maybe you are the pseud who can't comprehend Borges works

[Anonymous No.19659083]

>>19659073
You mean Borges' works

[Anonymous No.19659161]

>>19655086
"Meme autor" the best short story writer that humanity ever had

[Anonymous No.19659189]

>>19650807
It's his underage "waifu"

[Anonymous No.19660034]

>>19657738
Thanks, that’s interesting.

[Anonymous No.19660136]

Borges was a fucking retard lol. Just so you know, he is generally considered to be a joke in the more elite Spaniard literature circles.

[Anonymous No.19660235]

>>19660136
Well those stuck-up cunts, if real, are pretty much just coping. Borges perfected and exhausted the meta-fictional hypertextual current of literature before it even got of the ground. The stuff he wrote was supposed to be the literature of our Internet age, but the madman got in before everyone and made all similar efforts unnecessary.
Anyone who considers himself a literati and dismisses Borges should pretty much quit reading and go watch sports or something

[Anonymous No.19660706]

>>19653322
Yes, yes, and I'm sure I'll be serving fries to you and yours on your way to your next skiing trip. Can we get a more original comeback, anyone?

[Anonymous No.19660721]

>>19660136
Filtered. Go back to watching Contrapoints.

[Anonymous No.19661102]

best

[Anonymous No.19661514]

>>19659161
Based. He is one of the most inventive and influential writers. Brought on postmodernism but had already done a better job than what his later inheritors would do. Reminder Nabokov borrowed the central premise of 'Pale Fire' from Borges and his commentary on fictional books. House of Asterion is the first instance of a story reimagined from the monster's perspective.

[Anonymous No.19661592]

What's his endgame?

[Anonymous No.19661621]

>>19657738
>In Pierre Menard he does this hilariously by presenting two portions of Don Quixote in succession, one from Cervantes and one from Menard, and although the paragraphs are identical, the narrator disingenuously pretends there’s a difference in their meaning/impact simply from knowledge of the two author’s differences.

I mildly trolled some anon on another board when Don Quixote came up in a discussion, and when he asked if there was a recommended version of the story, I told him to seek out Pierre Menard's version. I wonder what that anon thought when he went to look it up, if he ever actually did.