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The Great American Novel

>> No.19629305

>>19629296
>not the ambassadors
close, but no cigar. i'd put Absorp Absorp in 3rd behind Ambasses and Recognoiters

>> No.19629316

>>19629296
After the fifth different version of the same story but with a different perspective, or new twist, I began to tire. It has some of Faulkner’s best writing, but TSATF and AILD are much better IMO

>> No.19629320

>>19629305
>Henry James
>great
lmao

>> No.19629323

>>19629320
i'm sorry your mother drank while you were in the womb.

>> No.19629331

>>19629323
I'm sorry you have to read Henry James.

>> No.19629338

>>19629331
sangria and gin? tsk tsk

>> No.19629346

>>19629338
*reads dogshit awkward prose for pleasure*

>> No.19629350

>>19629346
why would you do that, anon?

>> No.19629355

>>19629350
Because I'm masochistic enough to read Henry James.

>> No.19629385

>>19629296
If they made a sequel they would have to call it "Absalom 2, Absalom 2."

>> No.19629386

>>19629355
but henry james is an amazing author! it doesn't hurt you to read him, does it? maybe you just need to work harder to understand it!

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>>19629296
Get the fuck outta here

>> No.19629448

The Great American novel is not a singular thing, not a work which over shadows the rest, it is a work which embodies the time and place of the nation and it's people. There are a large number of these works and they tie us to our past in a way which historical documents can not, make it more than just events and great leaders of the past, speaks of the people as more than just a mass. Individuals with unique experience and insight into the events which define the nation, it is not that the people suffered or prospered, they lived and had lives. This current trend of turning the idea of the Great American Novel into a pissing match is rather depressing, it reduces it to historical data instead of the life of a nation.

>> No.19629538

Absolutely the Great Southern Novel, Gravity’s Rainbow is probably the greatest American Novel over all though.

>> No.19629571

>>19629538
Nah, GR doesn't ran here. Moby-Dick is the greatest American novel, but not the Great American Novel. That title goes to something Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, Faulkner etc.

>> No.19629703

>>19629386
>it doesn't hurt you to read him
Yes, his prose is painful to read.

>> No.19629716

>>19629571
>Moby-Dick is the greatest American novel, but not the Great American Novel. That title goes to something Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, Faulkner etc.
what do you mean?

>> No.19629718

>>19629316
>TSATF
>AILD
>IMO
kys IMO ODSOFHNSOFAOSHJF

>> No.19629737

>>19629716
the Great American Novel should be concerned with what it means to be American - i.e. set in America, describing American society - while Moby-Dick may be the best novel written by an American (definitely a defendable position), it isn't the best novel concerned with what it means to be an American.

>> No.19629763

>>19629737
Isn't the Pequod an allegory for the US? A bunch of immigrants and lowlifes working together for a purpose?

>> No.19629775

>>19629763
It's a bunch of immigrants and lowlife, plus some natives who have to donate their own blood in order to assist a madman pursue his delusions of Whiteness.
The Muh Great American Novel is a shitty discourse, implying America is some dazzling sui generis country which requires great literature to comprehend.

>> No.19629783

>>19629385
Too much Blarty Hongo, not enough Farty Mongo.

>> No.19629792

>>19629783
Honestly one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read

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>>19629296
>*clears throat*
>*drops mic*

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Step aside peasants.

>> No.19630107

>>19630096
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.19630117

>>19630105
CIA trash i bet you listen to UV too LOL

>> No.19630142

>>19630105
Such a great book. This, Henry Miller, Winesburg Ohio, Look Homeward Angel are my shill books

>> No.19630144

>>19630096
>t. slkdf vias; visd a;lkdjfi

>> No.19630195

>>19630117
Just curious, did you read it, or are you prejudging based on reputation (i.e., whether it made the lit top 100 or not)? Just trying to judge if you're too retarded to form your own opinions or too retarded to recognize literary merit.

I also have no idea what those abbreviations stand for.

>>19630142
Nice. I bought Winesburg Ohio recently, will move it to the top of my list for when I finish my current reads (sailor song and dead souls). Look Homeward Angel is also on my reading list, I'll make sure to get it next time I buy a haul.

>> No.19630225

>>19630195
do you not know about Ken Kesey anon?

>> No.19630344

>>19630225
Forgot about his whole MK ultra thing, don't tend to care too much about the author regardless, just about their works. Still don't know what UV means.

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>>19630344
that was a typo

>> No.19630378

>>19630096
lol

>> No.19630414

>>19630378
t. fell for le BM is shit! meme

>> No.19630492

>>19630414
>if you don't accept it as the greatest thing ever written that means you never read it and are larping
why are Cormac fags such bipolar retards?

>> No.19630503

>>19630414
I don't think it's shit, it's really quite good, it's just not in that league.

>> No.19630914

>>19630492
what is it about Cormac that causes this seethe

>> No.19631034

>>19630914
His fans, love his writing. It is not really seethe, more an annoyance like one of those big dumb flies which buzz loudly, endlessly smacking into the window's glass unable to figure out that the window is open, they just need to fly a foot lower and out the window to freedom. They never even try to fly lower, never give up on a failed tactic, just vainly repeat their mistakes in hope of success.

>> No.19632027

>>19630503
It absolutely is. You don't have to short change a book because it shows up your favored choice, anon.

>> No.19632042

>>19629538
Fuck no.

>> No.19632062

>>19630914
They can't understand him, despite being able to read him cover to cover. If they ever even read him. There are a few here that hold completely irrational grudges against him for no reason at all or for the pathetic reason that they were made to look retarded in Cmac thread. That's my observation.

>> No.19632079

>>19632062
lol

>> No.19632083

>>19632079
Here he is. one of the few.

>> No.19632114

>>19629296
*Stoner

>> No.19632118

>>19632083
lol

>> No.19632125

>>19632118
>l---l-ol...haha..

>> No.19633661

>>19629296
It's Faulkner's best. Good pick, anon.

>> No.19633665

>>19629418
>/lit/'s annotated version
>crumbs all over carpet
That tracks.

Anyways, anon, go get your vacuum.

>> No.19633670

>>19629305
>Gaddis
>great
Lmao

>> No.19633671

>>19630105
Based. Kesey is the Faulkner of the Pacific Northwest. "Notion" is tremendously good, and rarely read these days.

>> No.19633992

>>19633670
Filtered

>> No.19634225

>>19630107
>>19630144
>>19630378
you guys know harold bloom holds that view? right?

>> No.19634234

>>19633992
cope

>> No.19634236

>>19630105
got this for christmas, what am i in for?

>> No.19634330

>>19634225
It is a prevalent view in modern criticism, not just Bloom's.

>> No.19634374

>>19629296
nah m8 iss Augie March

>> No.19634412

>>19634236
A great fucking book. It kinda starts near the end, goes into a flashback, and it has some modernist style writing in parts that can take 20 or so pages to get used to. One of the most nuanced books I’ve read. I’m not even sure what Kesey’s views on unions and such were because points on each side were very valid

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>>19634225
I like BM, but Bloom is a fucking idiot

>> No.19635229

>>19634225
lol. Bloom just translated the academic world into laymen terms and used it as qualification for his unsupportable opinions.
>>19634330
LOL. proof, now. Link journal papers.

>> No.19635247

>>19630142
You haven’t read O Lost, fuck off.

>> No.19635349

>>19635247
You the first edition anon? Lol

>> No.19636126

>>19633670
Faggot.

>> No.19636652

>>19635229
>link journal papers
Just google search. Every modern essay on Great American novel mentions it. Almost every essay on BM also mentions it.
Stop being so obsessed, retard. You are completely ignorant of the critical opinion on the book. Your ignorance doesn't make your fantasies true. You fags are embarrassing.

>> No.19636668

>>19635229
>le Bloom this that
And who exactly are you? You are a laymen with delusions he is trying to pass off as true. How are you any better than Bloom? At least he read and knew ins and outs of criticism at large. Meanwhile you are so oblivious you are asking for journal papers as proof on something widely accepted, for better or worse.Behave, newfag.

>> No.19636690

>>19635229
Bloom might be problematic but you have obviously never read him. You are just parroting a notion you took from this place. And don't talk about unsupportable opinions when your "opinions" are hot take fantasies.

>> No.19636699

>>19629703
or you could be a broken retard whose brain is so fried by dopamine surges from pornography that you can't concentrate on written words for more than five seconds, much less comprehend what they mean

>> No.19636708

>>19636699
Or he sucks and there are better authors. The simplest idea is often the true one.

>> No.19636714

>>19635229
>it's another episode of an emotionally unstable teenager trying to look smart
LOL! How fucking embarrassing! Meanwhile Bloom had written pages upon pages on his "unsupportable" opinions.

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>>19629296

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>> No.19637865

Moby Dick is the great American Novel and I'm not even Bloomposting.

>> No.19637876

>>19636708
right, the one that you're retarded seems the simplest here.

>> No.19637959

>>19636652
>>19636668
>>19636690
>buzz
>buzz
>smack
>buzz
>smack
>smack
>buzz
>smack

>> No.19638318

>>19637959
You have nothing. As usual.

>> No.19638328

>>19637959
I like that you personify yourself as the wall because that is about how dumb you are. You are ever going to back up your hot takes? or is everybody else in the world just stupid because they like this book? You can atleast read about its critical reception before rushing head on like an overly hormonal teenager too taken with his delusions.