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Fascists are anarchists.
Debate me.
>The anarchist origins of Italian fascism are vividly described in this multiple biography of four anarchists who demonstrated extreme individualist tendencies. Leandro Arpinati began his political career as an anarchist, but went on to lead the Bologna fascists and become Mussolini’s Minister of the Interior and the «Second Duce of Fascism.» Massimo Rocca was the extreme anarchist-individualist who goaded Mussolini into openly declaring his stance in favor of intervention in the First World War. Maria Rygier was a leader among the Bologna anarchists who reshaped the revolutionary ideas of the left in terms acceptable to the right. Torquato Nanni helped fuse the left wing of Fascism to the right wing of Bolshevism. All were friends of the young Mussolini, but were among the first to express disillusionment with fascism. By 1934, they had been arrested for «anti-fascist activities» and forced into external or internal exile. Despite Arpinati’s and Nanni’s participation in the Resistance a decade later, communist partisans assassinated them on the day of Liberation in April 1945. This book’s analysis of the motives behind their assassination leads to conclusions about the use of the Myth of the Resistance as a paradigm for government in postwar Italy. It also suggests a model by which political parties have been appended to major personalities according to the degree to which they opposed fascism.

>> No.19617261

>>19617260
Fascists were drawn from a variety of interwar nonconformist movements

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>>19617260
You've never read this book, it's near impossible to find (at least here in Europe) and there are no digitalized copies of it on libgen or z-Library. That being said you are of course correct in saying that fascists were anarchists

>BRIAN: I'm of the opinion that the desire to censor is "fascistic" in nature, so it's particularly ironic to me that self-styled "Anti-Fascist" groups have made such a concerted effort to censor you and prevent you from performing, on that grounds that your work is "fascistic," - in my view their behavior is ultimately what's fascistic. What are your thoughts on the anti-fascist protests that turned violent at your scheduled show with the bands Der Blutharsh and Changes, in Chicago in 2003? Likewise, what are your thoughts regarding the 1996 show in Switzerland that was cancelled by the Swiss authorities, and which led to you write the song "Gorilla Tactics"? Do such instances of organized antagonism frustrate and discourage you, or do they harden your resolve?

>DOUGLAS: I think you're wrong. I think censorship is essentially 'Communistic' and left wing. Censorship was one of the first things that happened in Russia after the Revolution in 1917 and continued until it fell to bits decades later. The way I understand it is that, to paraphrase Mussolini, the Fascists are the real anarchists for they truly did do exactly what they wanted. Libertarianism and Fascism are bedfellows no matter how some people might find that repugnant. They are definitely not mutually exclusive.

>People like the Mayor of Lausanne and the street people with a cause outside the club in Chicago are an irrelevance to me. The Mayor didn't survive the next election in Switzerland and is no longer and the types of people protesting around that club that night in Chicago have now realised that they were duped by a far right Xtian group into acting against Death In June or have probably been found dead from an OD in a heroin shooting gallery. Both of those types were so ill-informed and ignorant that they neither discourage me nor make me harden any resolve. They are nothing more than a momentary inconvenience and can't stand in the way of the inevitable March of Man's True Destiny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oB4xlpRmbM&ab_channel=angelalangellotti

>> No.19617272

>>19617260
The fasces are a symbol of sublimation subservience to the imperial state

>> No.19617280

>>19617270
tldr

>> No.19617452

>to paraphrase Mussolini, the Fascists are the real anarchists

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>>19617452
DAS RITE WE WUZ ANARKISTS N SHIEEEET

>> No.19617863

How can Fascism be anarchist, when Fascism is an authoritarian ideology?
I know syndicalists had involvement with Fascism. But that Egoists had one...?

>> No.19617870

>>19617863
As an individualist anarchist the only way to achieve maximum freedom for yourself is through the total oppression of everyone else. The only true anarchist is a fascist and the only true fascist is the fascist dictator, everyone else is a dupe.

>> No.19617890

>>19617260
All anarcho-capitalists become fascist or monarchists in the end.

>> No.19617914

>>19617890
And that's a good thing

>> No.19617930

>>19617890
We don't want them!

>> No.19618010

>>19617863
Dude neutered academics gotta make a living too, ya know.
Fascism: the origin of fascism would clearly sell less

>> No.19618067

>>19617863
Anarchism when decoupled from various moral restraints, which generally is the case when talking individualists tends to simply default this way, don't ask me how it works, just note how for instance Junger was at once obsessed with Stirner and writing a book about importance of energetic and visionary leadership in Eumeswil.

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>>19617870
So idiots discover they don’t believe in anarchism of collectives or individuals freedom.

Fascism is made up of idiots. This we knew.
>>19617890
They’re just delusional liberals anyway.
>>19617930
That’s too bad. They get in anyway because you guys have no alternative economics.

>> No.19618653

>>19618411
Hey there butters, thanks for the timely response as always. I suggest you find the pit of medical waste where your hacked off dick was dumped and angle the yourself just right that you fall in to it after blowing your brains out.

Cheers!

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>>19618653
Such convince.
Converting to monarchism nao

>> No.19618693

>>19617270
>the Fascists are the real anarchists for they truly did do exactly what they wanted
This is not what anarchism is, you dunce.

>> No.19618735

>>19618693
>n-no you don't get it anarchism is actually when you wear the mask, take the vaccine, trust the science and kill transphobes
If it requires me to inhibit my desires then it's not anarchism. It's that simple

>> No.19618761

Anarchists and Marxists both arguably have liberal philosophical origins but that doesn't mean they're liberals

Some anarchists migrated to the right, and some went left. Lots of Libertarians become liberals or right wing later. This doesn't mean one thing is the other

>> No.19618823

>>19617890
interesting

anarcho-capitalists are the bridge between oligarchichal republic and monarchism/fascism

socialism is the bridge between oligarchichal republic and stateless comunism

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>>19617863
>The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail.
-- Mikhail Bakunin

>The multitude, the mass spirit, dominates everywhere, destroying quality.
-- Emma Goldman

>Nietzsche was not a social theorist but a poet, a rebel and innovator. His aristocracy was neither of birth nor of purse; it was of the spirit. In that respect Nietzsche was an anarchist, and all true anarchists were aristocrats.
-- Emma Goldman

>I have no quarrel with libertarians who advance the concept of capitalism of the type that you have advanced. […] Let me make it very plain that if socialism, which is what I call the authoritarian version of collectivism, were to emerge, I would join your [anarcho-capitalist] community. I would migrate to your community and do everything I could to prevent the collectivists from abridging my right to function as I like.
-- Murray Bookchin

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>>19618952
Your quotes are not convincing me of the argument..