/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19597903]

Why are women so much better at writing science fiction? Pic related is Hugo award winners. All women won this year again (of course).

[Anonymous No.19597909]

>>19597903
They're better at receiving awards, not necessarily at writing sci-fi. All the sci-fi GOAT writers are men.

[Anonymous No.19597910]

>all the best authors are male
>all the awards go to females

[Anonymous No.19597912]

Because sci-fi is retarded garbage

[Anonymous No.19597913]

Since we seem to be in the habit of asking questions - What would you pick for a main character? 1000 year old [insert powerful entity] in the body of a child or a rugged 50 year old man?

Personally, I'm a bit fatigued with the child genius protag who isn't really a genius because they're older than their parents/teachers. I would like a story for once that resolves around some old wisened professional establishing himself in a "New Frontier" type of setting or a story where said man over-throws the status quo. Way too many "child grows up and becomes the next coming of jesus" stories out there. Plus there's more mystery in how the guy got to be so powerful - I guess the difficulty would be from making the main character face genuine challenges.

[Anonymous No.19597924]

>>19597909
Yes goat writers are men, goat throats are women

[Anonymous No.19597940]

>>19597903
Women are just so awesome and amazing!

[Anonymous No.19597943]

>>19597903
>Western awards going only to women
Truly shocking.
.
How does the Chinese counterpart to the Hugo Award break down, gender-wise? That will tell us if women are better at sci-fi writing than men, vice-versa, or if both are around the same.

[Anonymous No.19597944]

>>19597903
because there are more women reading it, who do you think votes for this garbage?

[Anonymous No.19597945]

>>19597940
kek why is this so funny?

[Anonymous No.19597981]

>>19597903
WOW. Women win more awards than men when the results are based on diversity quotas? And when the voters are mostly women? WOW! So much smarter and better than men wow! YASSS QWEEN SLAAAAY

[Anonymous No.19597993]

>>19597903
men don't write sci-fi anymore as the genre is completely flooded with women
seriously, all the """"top"""" sci-fi authors are women
V.E. Schwab is a fucking 28 year old lesbian and she's the current golden child for sci-fi

[Anonymous No.19598009]

>>19597903
>Why are women so much better at writing science fiction?
Men are smart enough to write literary fiction instead of genreshit (Including """science"""-fiction)

[Anonymous No.19598026]

>>19597909
>All the sci-fi GOAT writers are men.

From an age where the majority of writers were men, and when men still read a lot themselves too. Now women are the only readers, and so women are the only writers. Men now dominate very few written domains: high fantasy, science fiction, and literary (barely).

[Anonymous No.19598052]

>>19598026
>Now women are the only readers, and so women are the only writers.
this is the answer, everything else is unnecessary
men don't read anymore, those that do read classics from 200 years ago. women are the only ones reading modern books and getting excited by it to the point where they start writing their own
sci-fi is now a genre of women writing for women, and a few men still reading LoTR or GoT for the 10th time

[Anonymous No.19598056]

>>19598026
>Now women are the only readers
The majority of readers? Sure, if you count porn literature like 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight and YA shit like Harry Potter and Hunger Games. But high quality mature shit? You're fucking joking

>Men now dominate very few written domains: high fantasy, science fiction, and literary
So, basically everything

[Anonymous No.19598174]

because women don't live in reality am i right brothers

[Anonymous No.19598195]

>>19597943
women are equal to men in communist china

[Anonymous No.19598686]

>>19597903
Its not like there's been a significant cultural shift on norms and standards the past couple of decades where a massive pushover and emphasis on the importance of the female on every aspect of human activity is, to this day, taking place.

[Anonymous No.19598724]

>>19597903
It's amazing how history continues to vindicate Gamergate. No one at the time could quite bring themselves to say "yes, of course it's justified to send death and rape threats to someone for writing a feminist video game review" but it was absolutely true lmao. Just look at this shit.

[Anonymous No.19598743]

>>19597903
moids have been turned into skinner boxed retards by the feminizing force of technocapital.

[Anonymous No.19598754]

>>19597903

>believing awards are based on merit

come on man

[Anonymous No.19598849]

>>19597903
I don't see a single foid mentioned.

[Anonymous No.19598883]

>>19598026
Who reads anything recent?

[Anonymous No.19598988]

Thank Raytheon

[Anonymous No.19599328]

Because males no longer exist and chuds can't win awards

[Anonymous No.19599409]

>>19598026
>Men now dominate very few written domains

Becasue they climbed the peaks a long time ago. No-one cares for the sort of low level dross that comes out nowadays - it will never compare nor be as influential as what has already come before.

[Anonymous No.19599415]

>>19599328
>chuds can't win awards
are not given awards*

[Anonymous No.19599420]

>>19597909
based sci-fag

[Anonymous No.19599439]

I am a misogynist :(

[Anonymous No.19599613]

>>19598195

They are literally so not equal that they even fucked up their demographics with how much not equal they are.

[Anonymous No.19599622]

>>19597903
because sci-fi sells and they're after money

[Anonymous No.19599647]

>>19599613
You have offended the CCPs feelings! You from henceforth have been banned from facebook.

[Anonymous No.19599656]

>>19597903
Men are no longer writing in America? Truly a sign of progress


-This message was brought to you by the CCP.

[Anonymous No.19599935]

>>19598056
>But high quality mature shit? You're fucking joking
I don't think I've ever met a woman who reads literary fiction. It's all genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.19599944]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_fiction
>Literary fiction is a controversial label
>Furthermore, the study of genre fiction has developed within academia in recent decades
Or put another way
>Women hate being dunked on and are coping and seething

[Anonymous No.19600242]

>>19597903
Why does 2015 only add up to like 65%? How many genders make up the other 35%?

[Anonymous No.19600304]

>>19600242
>thinking there are two genders

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.19600443]

>>19597903
Why are "nerd girls" so insufferable, bros?

[Anonymous No.19600683]

>>19598195
Hilariously enough I did see that case law established father’s rights in marriage. It appears most eastern countries actually follow this. Can’t yeet the fetus without your spouse in China.

[Anonymous No.19600808]

>>19597909
Yep.

[Anonymous No.19600857]

>>19597903
>tfw female (born with XX chromosomes, not a tranny)
>resent this kind of blatant pandering
i wish sjw was never a thing why cant they just fucking stop and be sane

[Anonymous No.19600899]

>>19597903
The punchline hasn't hit yet, next few years transwomen will dominate awards (again.)

[Anonymous No.19600982]

holy shit how and why did the hugo awards become such a femoid cj

[Anonymous No.19600991]

Women's sci-fi, what's it about a talking dishwasher?

[Anonymous No.19601001]

>>19600982
Something something GamerGate something something Sad/Rabid Puppies something something SJWs.

[Anonymous No.19601109]

>>19597940
Yeah! I wish I was a woman!

[Anonymous No.19601129]

>>19597903
The Hugo awards are great, shows me what new sci-fi I should avoid reading

[Anonymous No.19601279]

>>19597903
I started this year off by reading a bunch of highly recommended female authors and all of them were mediocre to awful. Station Eleven was the best of the bunch and even that was borderline trite garbage. I'll never read another female author and these awards are a political farce.

[Anonymous No.19601291]

>>19601001
The autists who said there was a feminist conspiracy to take over the Hugo Awards were unironically vindicated.

[Anonymous No.19601667]

>>19601109
I honestly feel that the goal of turning pop culture in a a "female empowerment" machine is to get young, otherwise healthy boys to grow up and say this due to a lack of positive heroic male role models in our culture.
Any time I watch an IP that's owned by Disney or anyone else, it seems like all the male characters are incompetent doofuses and all the female characters are hyper competent, always right, and are the only ones who are really allowed to be heroic. For the males, it seems like their acts of "heroism" are at best sacrificing themselves to make way for women.
There's this really insidious narrative that movies have been pushing since at least Logan that men ought to allow themselves to die so that woman can take the reins.

[Anonymous No.19601707]

>>19601667
Future is female! Deal with it, chud!

[Anonymous No.19601817]

>>19601667
It's too rectify those hundreds of years of publishing only for men. Apparently only by zero sum war of the sexes can things be made right.

All the old works still exist, so boys will just find and read those, as they are more appealing. Which means instead of having some moderate, modern feminist examples for boys, all the ground will be given up to hundreds year old chauvinist authors, who are also maybe a literal genocidal slavers. Good foresight.

[Anonymous No.19601824]

>>19601817
>Good foresight
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.19601846]

>>19601667
Overthinking it. Proto-trannies are repressed gays (either through puberty blockers thanks to their 'enlightened' parents or social pressure) and straight men who have made their fetish a lifestyle. The current wave of female empowerment is little more than a fad

[Anonymous No.19601855]

With very few exceptions, women tend to receive more praise than their work deserves while men tend to receive less. The pussy pass seeps into all aspects of life. There’s a reason women don’t often use gender ambiguous or male pen names.

[Anonymous No.19601860]

>>19597903
they are a superior race. This is why male quotas has to be implemented

[Anonymous No.19601864]

>>19601667
Well, you’re right about what’s happening but not why. Women are just a lot more pliable and gullible, consume more worthless garbage and reproduce much less under ‘empowerment’. Nothing makes a country more disconnected, less unionized, have less connection to family and community, etc. quite as fast as putting women in the driver seat.

[Anonymous No.19601868]

>>19597909
Mary Shelly says hi.

[Anonymous No.19601886]

>>19601817
> hundreds of years of publishing only for men
Imagine having such a retarted take. Everything else I agree with though. If it’s all the same regurgitated bullshit and genre-based YA novels people will just go back to when times were good. I’m guessing the better way of doing this is just to take the weakest points of earlier works, and rewrite the books. Dumb them down just enough where all their main power is gone and hopefully bury the real works in antiquity.

[Anonymous No.19601887]

>>19601864
I think it's part of it. Once you young men looking up to women instead of viewing them as something to pursue is "normalized", then men will be a lot easier to control. Why would men even try in that world? They'll have no chance of ever becoming the head of their household so instead they'll just retreat to their little coomer pods and larp as anime girls in vr.

[Anonymous No.19601899]

>>19601887
It’s basically the end of the western world, and Japan and South Korea and similar nations. The symptoms are really clear to see, but it becomes the most obvious in falling birth rates. I don’t think any country has ever come back from raising women to the level of men, or above them in our case. It’s like a guaranteed slow crawl into collapse. Sad, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.19601908]

>>19601899
>>19601887
I’d still love to take a more optimistic approach to this. I think the pendulum of time is just still in swing and we’ve yet to rebound. I have no fucking idea how it would look but to say it’s unrecoverable seems like a very heavy claim to make. Meh, maybe we’ll all die in nuclear holocaust before it goes anywhere.

[Anonymous No.19601918]

>>19601908
>maybe we'll all die in a nuclear holocaust
One can hope!

[Anonymous No.19601924]

What are some good female sci-fi writers? I like Alastair Reynolds, Peter Watts, Greg Egan etc., any female writers similar to this?

[Anonymous No.19601986]

>>19597903
Women are the only ones that a) write and b) read in modern society. Of course they win all awards.

[Anonymous No.19602015]

>>19597903
My only fear is someone will look at this trend decades from now and unironically believe what OP is taking a jab at. They will genuinely believe women took over SF.

[Anonymous No.19602265]

>>19597903
Women are just too sexist to be in positions of power

[Anonymous No.19602496]

>>19600899
this chart is a catastrophe. Name of The Wind hard to get into? my mom read it.

[Anonymous No.19603231]

>>19601886
>take
Perhaps spending more time on reading comprehension skills.

>>19602496
They're all stilll genre ghetto lit anon.

[Anonymous No.19603292]

>>19600899
let me guess, the chart went to shit after this in further revisions? I saw a super clustered version

[Anonymous No.19603360]

>>19603292
I do not know. I've only went to one of the working threads. I am reading Lord Dunsany, and it is weird. That is all I can say.

[Anonymous No.19603371]

>>19597909
>All the sci-fi GOAT writers are men.
Ursula Le Guin was great.

[Anonymous No.19603382]

>>19598724
I don't understand your point.

[Anonymous No.19603734]

>>19597903
>100% women for 3 years running.
How? Are literally no men writing sci-fi anymore?

[Anonymous No.19604057]

>>19603371
She's pretty GOAT, women should use her as an example of how you can be a women, push for women rights, and still create great works

[Anonymous No.19604099]

>>19601846
Do you not think there might be a reason why so many men are now fetishizing themselves becoming women? Sexual fetishism is often a way of expressing desires and concerns that exist in the subconscious. It doesn't just come out of nowhere, it's a result of the culture.

[Anonymous No.19604108]

>>19597903
Oscar, Nobel prizes, even the Miss Universe, all these awards are politicized tools of propaganda today, but you already knew that didn't you?

[Anonymous No.19604119]

>>19601667
Heroism is but another representation, separate from life. It served its purpose, now it will yield to a newer representation. Female empowerment and manly heroism are both trash.

[Anonymous No.19604278]

>>19603231
>t. Genuine midwit
Yea I had a good feeling after reading your post.

[Anonymous No.19604343]

>>19604278
>Can't understand the implication of the wording "apparently"
>Calling other people midwits
Slow your roll, Romain

[Anonymous No.19604548]

>>19604343
You have to be a genuine ESL if you can’t read your own words correctly. This is your last (You).

[Anonymous No.19604574]

>>19603734
This is an old chart, it's 5 years running now.

[Anonymous No.19604691]

>>19604574
Based. They’re destroying genre fiction from the inside.

[Anonymous No.19604708]

>>19604099
>Do you not think there might be a reason why so many men are now fetishizing themselves becoming women?
anime

[Anonymous No.19604721]

>>19604708
Porn is probably more likely.

[Anonymous No.19604759]

>>19604721
While I think it would be foolish to rule pornography out altogether I think it's a marginal factor

http://web.archive.org/web/20181025023737/https://medium.com/@socjuswiz/masculinity-anime-and-gender-dysphoria-8d682abcec54

[Anonymous No.19605143]

>>19604548
Foolish and impervious to criticism, many such cases. Sad!

[Anonymous No.19605198]

>>19603382
The Gamergate controversy was caused in large part by conservative-leaning people's outraged, vitriolic reactions to feminist criticism of videogames and gaming culture. Allegedly this included waves of death threats towards women like Anita Sarkeesian, who is known primarily for complaining about female videogame characters wearing bikinis or whatever. Obviously, right-thinking people denounced this harassment and bigotry, while the anti-feminists (mostly very young and confused individuals) disavowed or denied it, claiming somewhat incoherently that their only cause was "ethics in journalism". Ultimately the feminists got most of what they wanted in terms of representation, character design etc, but were critically forced to shut the fuck up in order for their lives to go back to normal, allowing the subculture and critical standards to remain largely as they were before.

The OP's image clearly demonstrates what happens when feminist viewpoints are not sufficiently shouted down. Once you start considering identity and representation as metrics of quality, there is no limiting principle. Quality is no longer considered, critical standards collapse entirely and there are severe consequences for the medium as a whole. This happens more readily in mediums/subcultures with a larger proportion of women, and in those with a weaker claim to objective quality. Young Adult literature is famously the worst of all.

[Anonymous No.19605263]

>>19597903
>All women won this year again
I looked it up and no male author even made the final ballot for best novel. Klara and the Sun (an incredible book by an actual author) wasn't even a runner up lmao, wonder if any of the judges even read it.

[Anonymous No.19605267]

>>19605198
>The Gamergate controversy was caused in large part by conservative-leaning

Imagine being this wrong. Oof.

[Anonymous No.19605301]

>>19605267
I say "conservative" in a purely descriptive sense and with my full sympathy and endorsement. The fight's over bro, it's okay to admit that an anti-feminist movement supported by Milo and Cernovich was conservative.

[Anonymous No.19605390]

>>19601667
It's castration. Not physical (although there are some aspects of it through different propaganda for specific diets) but social. Basically attempt at social engineering entire sex of men into drug-addicted psychologically weak underclass, purpose of this of course is greater stability, as male nature in natural state will always breed healthy strife and conflict, and whilst that is good for humanity as a whole in terms of our fitness, it is a mortal threat to any regime. It is logical for any perceptive total regime to eradicate any threat to itself, and whilst in last regimes moved to forbid weapons or control male populace in similar manners, due to greater control over information nowadays, means have changed. Engineering men, into becoming incapable of ordered violence and thus overthrowing of the regime.
Furthermore feminine powers are incapable of any anti-regime activity of meaningful capacity as female identity and thus action is often externally derived and thus very easy to control.

[Anonymous No.19606576]

>>19604708
Sorry but there are less trans in japan, also kids in the 80s watched way more animes than kids nowadays

[Anonymous No.19606606]

>>19605301
>Muh conservative speakers supported video games it’s a conservative circle jerk!

[Anonymous No.19606622]

>>19605390
Bingo

[Anonymous No.19606691]

>>19597903
I wonder what happened in 2017 to eliminate any men from winning Hugos?

[Anonymous No.19607064]

>>19606691
momentum for the zeitgeist has been building since 2012 or so

[Anonymous No.19607091]

>>19606576
>also kids in the 80s watched way more animes than kids nowadays
>implying

[Anonymous No.19607106]

So the hugo awards is still stuck in #metoo era. Will they never realize its all over?

[Anonymous No.19607146]

>>19598724
>>19605198
>>19605301
Is this bait/copypasta or are you genuinly retarded?
Gamergate was caused by journos doing what journos always do, being worse than Jews.

[Anonymous No.19607154]

>>19597903
I've read a lot of sci-fi, I seek out books that interest me... not one of them have been written by a woman.

[Anonymous No.19607155]

>>19597903
James Tiptree Jr. is based as fuck and wrote actual sci-fi. Modern Science Fiction is just superhero comics with lasers and space.

[Anonymous No.19607166]

There's going to internal fight when transwomen start taking over, after a few years. Then Men will once again stand at the top, albeit dressed as Women.

[Anonymous No.19607174]

>>19607166
be an internal*

[Anonymous No.19607182]

I literally can not stop laughing at the total delusion that the complete hubris that decided only women can win hugo award now. Unbelievable

[Anonymous No.19607187]

This is how it is with all books, film everything now. 100% feminized shit. I'm not even complaining, saves me having to read or watch any new media, since its all complete women garbage lol

[Anonymous No.19607194]

>>19597903
Has anyone else just stopped reading sff books by women recently? I used to truly not care, and just read whatever had the best synopsis or was recommended to me. I read more male sff that way, but there were a few good books written by women aswell.
Now that the new entried in the shelves in the bookstore are 60-70% filled by women, half of that with fucking Netflix labels, I no longer read any of them. With the heavy bias for women present in the scene right now the few male newcomers made it on merit and are usually good, while the women getting affirmative action partially write like 12 year olds.

[Anonymous No.19607222]

no wonder the quality has declined so sharply over the past few years and no one can name any of these award winners books without the help of google

[Anonymous No.19607250]

>>19607146

Zoomers are too young to remember what actually happened in gamergate so they just google it and assume the bullshit they read is correct. That's why it's important to keep pastas like this:

>Gamergate

Wiki:
https://www.ggwiki.deepfreeze.it/index.php?title=Main_Page

Quik rundown if you don't give a fuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA

Medium length rundown with just enough detail to really "get it":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs69lv0UGNU

Long as fuck but very complete rundown for the maximum autismo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz--i3M4PVk

[Anonymous No.19607258]

>>19607250
>gamergate
Please god no. Fake media firestorm that is now culturally irrelevant yet worshiped as some zeitgiest moment by trumptards

[Anonymous No.19607262]

>>19607258

Return.

[Anonymous No.19607271]

>>19607258
You have to be a special kind of retard to not realize the shift in video games from before and after gamergate.

[Anonymous No.19607283]

>>19607271
Yeah they sucked before 2012 and they sucked after 2012. Next question.
>>19607262
>back to /ptg faggot

[Anonymous No.19607288]

>>19607283
Like I said, a special kind of retard.
And if they sucked prior to 2012, they've gotten a whole lot worse since then.

[Anonymous No.19607293]

>>19607288
indeed, all Western post gamer gate games have been glossy corporatised trash. At least it allowed Japan to pick up the slag and make good vidya again, something they havnt done since the PS2.

[Anonymous No.19607310]

>>19607194
I avoid most female-created media for this reason. I just can't trust that it was praised and recommended due to its quality rather than "woman made this".

[Anonymous No.19607313]

>>19607250
Huh? Gamergate was literally a female game journalist fucking reviewers to get good score and thus dupe innocent gamers to waste their money on her shitty game. What followed was just feminists being hysteric because a woman was called out.

[Anonymous No.19607318]

>>19607288
There was no shift. AAA-games were possed garbage at that time and had been for a long time already. Games were generally good between '95-2005. Before that they were too primitive, and after that they were too mainstream and sanitized (speaking in generalities, of course)

[Anonymous No.19607332]

ITT: Americans think the rest of the world cares about their pop 'culture' and gender 'politics'

STFU and read

[Anonymous No.19607337]

>>19607318
This is exactly right. What's happened today is that gamergate has become a ZOOMER CULTURAL MYTH to make it seem like like the younger generation has some kind of edgy internet history to live up too. Disingenuous psychopaths on /pol/ are USING YOU (kids) to basicaly justify their wasted lives of playing league or cod or whatever
>i wasn't just a stoned dipshit in 2013 named weedxhash420
>i was a culture warrior fighting the pernicious game journalist SJWs!

What a sad and pathetic mythologization. Zoomers actually believe this now too apparently.

[Anonymous No.19607340]

>>19607166
It's happening faster than you think

>The Spanish best selling author nicknamed the Spanish Elena Ferrante, Carmen Mola, has been revealed to be three male authors working together under the female alias.
>Known for a trilogy of successful thrillers published between 2019 and 2021, Carmen Mola was supposed to be the pen name of a provincial female Spanish university professor and writer who, like the Italian Elena Ferrante, had chosen to erect a sort of distanciation barrier between her life and that of her books.
>But Carmen Mola turned out to be three male writers when the trio showed up to receive the prestigious, 1.2 million euros Premio Planeta de Novela prize for the historical thriller "The Beast."

[Anonymous No.19607348]

>>19597903
They're not real women

[Anonymous No.19607452]

>>19607337
I just want to say: no one believes this shitty bait anon. Do try harder next time.

[Anonymous No.19607457]

>>19607452
Believe whatever you want but im deadly serious and also 100% correct.

[Anonymous No.19607496]

>>19601868
>Shelly

[Anonymous No.19607504]

>>19607496
Who is lord byron

[Anonymous No.19607507]

>>19603734
They are keep going until the rewards ratio will be 50/50 split. If you unironically think such awards are focused on merit and not pushing political agendas, you are delusional

[Anonymous No.19607510]

>>19607507
I dont think so, i think theyre just going to keep excluding men because of "equality"

[Anonymous No.19607571]

>>19600899
How the fuck is dune a 4 on this scale

[Anonymous No.19607591]

>years Bakker publishes
>other authors winning

[Anonymous No.19607688]

>>19607258
>Please god no.
Yes, beg worm!

[Anonymous No.19607695]

>>19607337
Ok retard, thanks.

[Anonymous No.19607696]

>>19607340
The madlads. Now that's a high IQ move.

[Anonymous No.19608474]

>>19607591
She. Fucking. Won.

[Anonymous No.19608791]

At first I assumed no one brought up the zoomiewoomies vs the chumbowumbos because it was apparent, now I'm certain it is because no one knows shit about the faggoty politicking that went on at the Hugos.

[Anonymous No.19608985]

>>19597909
Good point.

[Anonymous No.19609028]

>>19607250
that second video came out ten days ago. Do you keep tabs on this shit every day? Lmao

[Anonymous No.19609067]

>>19597903
the world was given to women

[Anonymous No.19609084]

>>19601817
Based elites promoting centuries old natural aristocracy, chivalry, and other values