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19597831 No.19597831 [Reply] [Original]

>My husband is boring. I'm going INSANEEEEE

>> No.19597889

Was it unrealistic that she also detested her daughter?

>> No.19597892

This book is just the big city pill

Women love the huge cities with tons of parties and luxury

Your peasant life will be so boring for her if she knows how it goes in the cities

>> No.19597931

Way to miss the point.

>> No.19597934

>>19597831
One of the original redpills

>> No.19597980

Amazing how Flaubert went from all the apricot scenes in Bovary straight to cannibalism torture and human sacrifice in Salammbo.

>> No.19597991

>>19597889
no, she thought that she deserved so much more than that what she had and extended that disgust to her daughter as well. poor whore was incapable of being happy with what she had and so all things that reminded her of her reality she hated

>> No.19598025

>>19597831
Every incel is a woman at heart, but obviously not every woman is an incel. Indeed the incel is an incel precisely because they are woman become man without ceasing to be woman

>> No.19598032

>>19597831
well he was boring, wasn't he?

>> No.19598142

>>19598032
He was a good, honest man

>> No.19598147

>>19598032
>Imaginary evil is romantic and varied; real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring. Imaginary good is boring; real good is always new, marvelous, intoxicating.

>> No.19598167

>>19598142
He is pathetic, he has "no charm, no brains, no culture, with a set of conventional notions and habits". He is only redeemed by his pure love for Emma, which at most makes him pitiable, not "good".

>> No.19598176

>>19598032
>OMG A DOCTOR
>TIME FOR HIGH SOCIETY
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>YOU CANT BE A COUNTRY DOCTOR
she deserved her fate desu

>> No.19598191

>>19597831

Madame Bovary ? More like, madame OVARY, HAHAHA

>> No.19599614

>>19597831
Can someone explain the point of this novel? Was it meant to be taken as an emancipatory feminist portrayal of women, or to show how fucked up women are? What was Flaubert getting at?

>> No.19599694

>>19599614
>Yo bitch if you go all weak in knees at all the punk-ass clowns around none of them will make you their Kim K and take you to live in a Hollywood mansion partying with Oprah every day, they'll pump and dump you like a disposable rag that you turned yourself into.

>dumbass blind husbands take notes

>> No.19599710

>>19599614
>emancipatory feminist portrayal of women
No, Bovary is a pathetic and small woman.
>show how fucked up women are
Its to show how fucked up people are. Flaubert did not like people, just a study of a few archetypes of retard. You're meant to despise everyone involved as far as I can tell.

>> No.19599746

>>19597892
>Women love the huge cities
yep, that they do. it's quite funny.

>> No.19599787

>>19599746
but there's SOOOO much to doo!!!!!

>> No.19599869

>>19598167
There's a scene where they go to a ball together, and when he wants to dance she shuts him down because that doesn't fit with her conception of him as a boring charmless man.

>> No.19599880

>>19599614
It's a polemic against romantic literature, which Flaubert felt was poisoning women's minds. Madame Bovary has an expectation that her life will be just like one of the novels she reads, so she marries literally the first man to ride up on a horse to her father's estate. Then when her life disappoints her she becomes obsessed with her own tragedy, and insists on being miserable.

>> No.19599886

>>19599787
I really don't understand your attitude. Living in a place with lots of cultural activities is not a bad thing.

>> No.19599899

>>19599886
Had the flush toilet been invented at the time of this book? If not, cities were fucking disgusting plague traps for poors. They still are but shitting in a bucket and throwing it out the window takes it to another level.

>> No.19599907

>>19599614
Not everything has a point, least of all novels. I'm seeing this dumbass question at an alarming frequency

>> No.19599915

>>19599886
Spiritually barren hellscapes where people are packed in like sardines, nobody can own any land and having a family is prohibitively expensive.

>> No.19599923

>>19597831
M A N Y
A
N
Y

S U C H
U
C
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C A S E S
A
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E
S

>> No.19599982

>>19599907
Very much this. People read a book with decent prose and when they find that characters behave not as they wish, or that it ends in a way they didn't expect or in a way that they do not like, or that it is written in any way different to how they would have written it, they think 'why has the author needed to do this?' They imagine that it must have been because the author was at pains to convey a message, or needed to contort the plot to form some allegory. Never do they consider that the story is designed to tell exactly the story it is telling.

If you wished to tell someone something, would you then tell them something else and expect them to extrapolate your desired message? No, you would communicate exactly what you wanted to communicate.

This trend of assuming the existance of some deeper, truer meaning baffles me.

>> No.19599993

>>19599614
Fiction heavy on wish fulfilment creates expectations that produce dissatisfaction with normal life, and induce people to behave in a way that clashes with their realities, because their behavior is rooted in the assumptions they get from fiction instead of it being rooted in reality.

>> No.19600018

>>19599982
>This trend of assuming the existance of some deeper, truer meaning baffles me.
True. All of my English classes bonked me over the head with trying to extract some profound philosophy when, most of the time, the author is just shit posting. This is why I hate English majors so much.

>> No.19600175

>>19599982
First of all - yeah, we get it, you're a plebian faggot who hates subtext.
Second of all
>If you wished to tell someone something, would you then tell them something else and expect them to extrapolate your desired message?
Where do you think you are?

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19600261

*reads 5000 books in prison*
>the literature of the theater during the past hundred years has tended to concentrate more and more on small familiar disturbances. All these petty-bourgeois tragedies about illegitimate children and problem drinkers elicit my full sympathy in the social realm, but in the theater they seem to me to yield nothing but boredom. An aid-to-dependent-children allowance or a withdrawal cure paid for by social insurance — and the whole lovely tragedy becomes pure melodrama.
t. speer

>> No.19600272

>>19600261
the good nazi strikes again

>> No.19600461

>>19597831
Madame Bovary is a lady badass and one of the coolest feminist heroines in western literature. She won't settle down for something beneath her. She deserves true love, true passion.

>> No.19600470

>>19599614
>Was it meant to be taken as an emancipatory feminist portrayal of women
Yes, and it's great at it and it was even greater when it was published.

>> No.19600476

>>19599869
He would have danced like shit and make a fool of himself anyway. He was BORING. She deserved better.

>> No.19600485

>>19597831
Which one is the better feminist novel, this one or Anna Karenina? I'd say AK, because Anna is one of the most charming and lovable characters ever written, when Emma could be a bit dull at times, but love both for sure.

>> No.19600504

>>19599710
If you despise Emma then you didn't get the novel. If you don't root for her you have no heart. She's a true romantic soul.

>> No.19600533

>>19597892
because fucking around is easier in the city, simple as. women are straight up fuckbeasts who are controlled by their libido more than any man ever will be.

>> No.19600540

>>19600461
>Cheats on her husband with a philandering playboy
>Fantasizes that he will rescue her from her current life
>Asks him to run away with her
>He says no and dumps her
>She has a nervous breakdown and tries to kill herself
So brave and stunning.

>> No.19600554

>>19600540
She was looking for true romance in a patriarchal society where women were seen by men as a trophy to display to their friends. She did nothing wrong other than being too naive and expect the world to be better than what it sadly is.

>> No.19600557

>>19600540
Actually I slightly misremembered this. He doesn't dump her, he literally ghosts her. He just leaves in the middle of the night one day, without so much as leaving her a note.

>> No.19600570

>>19600554
I don't think that's a reasonable reading. Monsieur Bovary did not see her as a mere trophy, he genuinely loved her.

>> No.19600576

>>19600476
how do I know you experience body dysmorphia on the daily?

>> No.19600577

>>19600570
Perhaps, but he didn't get her. He was a bore. She deserved an exciting life. Not just being the loved wife of a dull man.

>> No.19600584

>>19597831
whgTEVERTRHANTSONGIS..
DOWN-D-D-D-DOWN

>> No.19600593

>>19597831
I've never read this book because I used to know some blue haired bitch who loved it and said it was empowering, so I always thought it was feminist bullshit, but this thread now has me in doubt. Is it feminist or not? Some people say it is, some say it isn't.

>> No.19600595

>>19600175
nayrt but subtexts were a mistake.

>> No.19600616

>>19600593
It can be interpreted both way. It's a realistic depiction of a woman who wants more from life, but she can be an entitled bitch at times too. That being said, Flaubert was a smart and sophisticated man, so he probably would be a feminist if he were alive today, even if he probably wasn't at his time. But he took the effort to try to understand women and their struggles. Take that however you want.

>> No.19600629

>>19600593
you need to go back

>> No.19600637

>>19600504
>romantic soul
Inane drivel, 17th cent. buzzword.

>> No.19600733

>>19600629
Where?

>> No.19600742

>>19600733
To reddit, where you belong.

>> No.19600761

>>19600577
The Chronicles of loving a Chad. You finally find one but he ends up fucking your best friends.

>> No.19601626

>>19600577
Why did she “deserve” that according to you?

>> No.19601694 [DELETED] 

>>19597831
She was a spoiled whore. She had a loving husband (who did whatever she wanted or asked for), lived in comfortable wealth and had a beautiful little daughter. And she threw that all away like a spoiled child demanding more and more. Even the men she had affairs with she drove with demanding personality. Spoilt whore. Now imagine if women were like that then, how bad they are today.

>> No.19601715

>>19597831
She was a spoiled whore. She had a loving husband (who did whatever she wanted or asked for), lived in comfortable wealth and had a beautiful little daughter. And she threw that all away like a spoiled brat. Bankrupting her husband's practice, cheating on him and attempting to abandon him and her daughter. And after she finally ruins everything she kills herself. Even the men she had affairs with were driven away with her demanding personality, insisting they give up their entire lives to live some childish romantic fantasy with her (can almost guarantee she would have got bored of them too). Spoilt whore. Anybody saying otherwise is either a simp, feminist or a woman with the same delusions.

Now imagine if there were women like that back then, how bad they must be today.

>> No.19601750

>>19600593
It won't feed your internet militantism but it's the purest anti romantic novel of the time

>> No.19601808

>>19599907
>>19599982
You are retarded if you think Flaubert didn’t have an intention in writing the novel. Maybe the novel doesn’t have a message, but he like any artist, is trying to get a point across.

>> No.19601823

A lot of people ITT really don't get Flaubert. Read his other books to get a better picture. Flaubert hated everyone and all his books are dark, vicious satire. He is kind and empathetic to his characters and their struggles but the struggles are ultimately self inflicted.

>>19599710
>Flaubert did not like people, just a study of a few archetypes of retard. You're meant to despise everyone involved as far as I can tell.
correct

>>19600616
Flaubert was a smart and sophisticated man, so he probably would be a feminist if he were alive today, even if he probably wasn't at his time. But he took the effort to try to understand women and their struggles.
no

>> No.19601842

>>19600554
ywnbaw

>> No.19601845

>>19600577
>she deserves to ruin the lives of multiple people including her own daughter to get fucked by Chad

lol

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19601895

I thought this was wrote boringly so I stopped reading after the first chapter.

>> No.19601916

>>19599886
>lots of cultural activities
I'm gonna... I'm gonna... CONSOOOOOOOOM

>> No.19601937
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19601937

YOU CONSOOMED A MEAL AT THE RESTAURANT
YOU CONSOOMED A SHAKESPEARE AT THE THEATRE
YOU CONSOOMED A PROSTITUTE AT THE BROTHEL

>> No.19601945

A
L
L
man are boring
E
V
E
N
when they think talking or making stuff is necesary
W
E
are here only for sex and building churches
O
T
H
E
R
S
are only for feeding mosquito

>> No.19601979

>>19599886
Even shittin' and fartin' ?

>> No.19602237

>>19597831
People still read this realism n shit? holy cow what a waste of time it would be in 2021. I’d rather watch every single Angry Joe video posted ever and then write a review on it. That sounds better. t. poorfag english major

>> No.19602513

>>19598167
So you’re saying he was a good, honest man?

>> No.19602516

>>19600504
Jesus you’d be one of the people getting cucked by Emma Bovary, Flaubert really played you

>> No.19602519

>>19600485
Anna is better, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t see many a Emma Bovary in the women of today and the past 5 decades more than the gentility of an Anna Karenina

>> No.19602530

>>19601895
Not surprising since it seems you can’t even write the most basic of sentences correctly in English without making a mistake in grammar

>> No.19602544

>>19601715
Haven't read it, but it sounds like my guy just couldn't wrangle his woman

>> No.19602642

>>19600554
>women were seen by men as a trophy to display to their friends
that was never the case. women weren't valued that much.
they needed sons, that's all

>> No.19602665

>>19600533
>>19597892
women are hedonist and men create cities precisely to enhance hedonism, and women are gaga over this. This is why atheists create more and more and bigger and bigger cities.

>> No.19602678

>>19598147
sauce?

>> No.19602744

>>19601916
Yes.

>> No.19602747

>>19602237
I read it in college as part of a survey of the history of western literature.

>> No.19602789

>>19602513
I think you missed this bit:
>at most makes him pitiable, not "good".

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>The sequel

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>>19601715
>insisting they give up their entire lives to live some childish romantic fantasy with her
I haven't read the book, it is just waiting in my shelf, but this whore as you describe her, fits with the exactly personality of a bitch I met when I was in highschool.
Where are the good women?

>> No.19603405

Emma was in the right. Charles was a limp wrist faggot who couldn’t provide any excitement for a woman. If you can’t keep her entertained, you won’t keep her long. Women want excitement

>> No.19603539

>>19603405
Even if that were true, and I'm not conceding that it is, it doesn't justify her oath breaking.

>> No.19603560

Wait do women really expect anyone can actually entertain them 24/7?

>> No.19603617

>>19600577
In what world does she “deserve” those things while billions suffer
What makes her so special lol

>> No.19603661

>>19603539
No it doesn’t but usually when something as complex as a marriage falls apart, both are to blame to some degree. I have a feeling a lot of Anons are in for a rude awakening when they finally get a gf, and then find out that they aren’t just entitled to do nothing in the relationship, and they will lose the girl quickly

>> No.19603685

>>19603661
Did she at any point facilitate the provision of excitement?
I havent read the book but according to >>19599869 charles does attempt to excite her and do things she enjoys but she shuts him down because she is too busy fantasizing about something/someone better

>> No.19603694

>>19603405
Kek stop baiting, she's a delusional woman that rejects any attempt to materialize the life or relationship she wants by retreating into fantasy. she will never be happy with anyone or anything that is the entire point, she is seeking out things that do not exist.

>> No.19603805

>>19600616
>Flaubert was a smart and sophisticated man, so he probably would be a feminist if he were alive today,
Weird because the only feminists I know are all retards.

>> No.19603822

>>19603694
So Don Quixote is wrong too?

>> No.19604081

>>19602789
I don’t think he’s pitiable, I think he’s rather good

>> No.19604401

>>19602665
lol why bring athiests into this. didn't know cities were part of their plot to desrtoy the nuclear family.

>> No.19604473

>>19602530
Grammer is a ESL concern.

>> No.19604498

>>19600577
although trolling, this is a fairly accurate representation of how young women think. but it's hard to say which is more infantile - their constant need for stimulation, or their naïve expectation that simple changes of setting will fulfill it. Honestly reminds me of my toddler.

>> No.19604526

>>19604473
an*

>> No.19604607

>>19597831
>omg Flaubert was a feminist
No.
If you want to see a male feminist's "take" on this sort of thing go read Goncharov's Precipice

>> No.19604621

>>19603334
>Where are the good women?
there are none. What's that quote about "you can either love women, or know their true nature; you can't do both" or something like that

>> No.19604674

>>19604621
A wise man once said "All women are whores except my mother, not because I trust her but because she birthed me"

>> No.19605027

>>19603822
Of course.

>> No.19605033

>>19604607
I would rather not.

>> No.19605045

>>19598167
he was just a generic working man, too tired for 'culture' after working

>> No.19605063

>>19599614
main theme is dissatisfaction with life and how romantic expectations will inevitably die under the monotony of life. There's a passage about how every Accountant (?) was a failed poet; that line kinda summarized the book for me.

>> No.19605096

>>19600554
She fell for the bourgeoisie fantasies from an early age. Couldn't face her countryside reality so doubled down on the fantasy and ended up harming everyone in the process.

>> No.19605107

>>19600593
it's more in line with what 4chin calls blackpill

>> No.19606410

>>19597831
Love this book. I could have saved Emma.

>> No.19606535

>>19604473
You couldn't be more wrong, as even the most uneducated hick effortlessly speaks better than ESLs and don't commit the same types of basic tense or plurality mistakes as ESLs, since they'll make the speaker look like a retard in their community. Spelling I find is way more of an ESL concern

>> No.19607998

>>19597831
Women are like that irl too.

>> No.19608028

DONT YOU JUST HATE WOMEN??

>> No.19608084

>>19603822
Absolutely. How on earth did you think he was in the right? The whole point of the book is that he isn't.

>> No.19608221

>>19605027
>>19608084
Just checking for consistency. I’ve seen Anons defend DQ’s delusional mindset as being good idealism

>> No.19608454

>>19608221
I'm neither of the anons you replied to, but the non-/lit/tard version of that idea as spread among actual people is that Don Quixote's delusions *make him happier* than living in reality as the other major figures do; that even when he gets seized and beaten for the consequences of his insanity, he can bear it with a bolder countenance because, in his mind, these attackers are ogres or evil, debased knights, worthy enemies as opposed to some fat innkeeper and his servants. Even his humiliations are made more bearable due to his idealistic madness, and there's a kind of painful, tragic analogy to the human condition implied in that. The flaw of this reading is that Cervantes probably didn't intend it and it wasn't read as such at all in the times when it came out, just as a comical picaresque about an idiot with a cleverly designed reason to be traveling about. This is the same era when Gil Blas was the most popular novel in Europe, and that doesn't have any deeper themes at all, so most likely, this is just 3deep5ufags overinterpreting the novel.

All that said, in contrast, Bovary's retarded ideas only serve to make her and everyone around her miserable, she's a human wreck and she causes human wreckage. Nor is she actually insane, she's just an idiot, a very quotidian idiot at that. It's also critical that although both are fucked up by bad literature, Quijano's is a case of legitimate madness and entails him applying himself to an austere, self-denying and noble ideal, whereas Bovary doesn't go insane, just gets distorted expectations, and those expectations are all wholly selfish. Don Quixote's ideals are *too noble to fit in the debased modern world*, Bovary's are *too base to be met by a world where others also have wants and needs*.

>> No.19608473

>>19598025

Underrated.

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>>19608454
Correct

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>>19597831
How do you even say
>INSANEEEEE
because it's actually pronounced with no 'e'
<uhn·sayn


so is it actually
>INSAAAAANE
<uhn·sayyyyyn
or
<uhn·saaaaayn

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>>19597831
Her husband was a boring ""loving"" simp who couldn't keep her happy and she had every reason to do the things she did
Women need to be controlled and disciplined

>> No.19608777

>>19608536
Have sex

>> No.19609112

>>19608777
I'll have rape

>> No.19609185

>>19600554
>>19600577
>Looking for things that don't exist
>My fiction said this is a thing that exists so it must be so!
>Find out reality is not in line with fiction
>Reality is awful and it should change to cater to me personally!

Good luck with sleeping in the gutter.

>Inb4 something about how things 'should be'
Well they aren't.

>> No.19609200

>>19603405
>Pretending it is anyone's job other than yours to entertain you
I already have to entertain myself, bitch. I've got precisely one person to entertain. Me. You're an adult, entertain your own fucking self.

>> No.19609608

>>19609200
Then you’ll stay single, or won’t keep a girl long

>> No.19609681

>>19609608
Then she'll stay broke and alone. Relationships are about give and take - men provide stability, work, money and spiritual meaning, women provide T&A.

In no part of that contract did it say anything about being responsible for anybody's gruntlement. If you're disgruntled, go live alone, I've got shit to do.

>> No.19609691

>>19609681
Both sides are required to work to make a relationship successful

>> No.19609700

>>19609608
>Record rates of divorce, single mothers, broken homes
>Millennials first generation since the Great Depression to live more with their parents than on their own
>World probably somewhere between five and twenty years away from complete global collapse of civilization because nobody alive is willing to compromise over what they want and just live with people who aren't like themselves or don't live up to their idealized expectations
>Then you'll stay single! Its okay if the human race ceased to exist and I die old and alone as long as I cling to my dreams!

This isn't a Disney movie. You gotta play the hand that life deals you. Either accept what is or don't, but be under no illusion. Whatever you do to your life, you did to yourself. It is nobody else's fault. Not men, not women, not the state. Yours. No excuses, no exceptions.

>> No.19609754

>>19609691
I mean, what you'll probably find instead is that men just go back to raping and conquering like they do every time things get bad in history. I'm not really sure what you expect after even a casual glance at the historical record, here. Civilization has collapsed on this line before and anarchy usually isn't very kind to the rights of women.

>You have to do X thing because elsewise I'll withhold sex!
>Nah, I'm good.
>Okay, I'll lessen my requirements then.
>No. I'm working harder than you and more productive, it makes more sense for me to keep 100% of what I earn for myself and not use any of it to support you.
>B-But both sides are required to make a relationship successful!
>Not really. I can just throw on jack boots and an armband and go back to raping and plundering the very moment civilization collapses. You'll be the ones getting raped and conquered without any men here to defend you. I'm sure it'll work out fine! Good luck.

This will be a very rude awakening.

>> No.19611077

Lots of simps and chuds itt

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19611163

Women live in a perpetual state of illusions. Learn this truth and reach towards Enlightenment.

>> No.19611169

based

>> No.19611176

>>19598025
how do I be a man to women and sex them

>> No.19611183

>>19601823
>Flaubert was a smart and sophisticated man, so he probably would be a feminist if he were alive today
I think you mean he'd claim to be a feminist then act like an Italian in person.

>> No.19611202

>>19611176
Just be their superior in every way and physically attractive/imposing and assertive.

>> No.19611228

>>19611202
>>19611202
I have abs and can deadlift 400lbs, I make near 6 figures and am pursuing an advanced degree from an Ivy League school starting next year, I have cultivated skills like spearfishing and surfing, and I'm a virgin in my mid-20s. I don't understand how I can be any more superior or attractive.

>> No.19611242

>>19611228
look for postwall roasties, not roasties in their prime
men peak with their careers and salaries in their 30s/40s whereas roasties peak from 18-21 during which they can obtain sugar daddies.

>> No.19611248

>>19611228
idk i just exist and they come

>> No.19611323

Its about peoples natural desire to ruin their own happiness by constantly seeking more, and how we can allow others to ruin our own happiness indirectly through resentment or jealousy. She should have been happy, but was not.

>> No.19611337

>>19611242
Why would a woman in her 30s want anything to do with me, a guy who has almost 0 experience with women?

>>19611248
how from where

>> No.19611341

>>19600554
YWNBAW

>> No.19611356

>>19611337
>Why would a woman in her 30s want anything to do with me,
You need to look for 50+. Get yourself a sugamomma who is looking for some young dick

>> No.19611393

>>19611356
gross

>> No.19611421

women? cringe

>> No.19611432

>>19611337
>how from where


I just go about my daily life and they show interest so i do something about it. you sound like you may just have autism energy or something

>> No.19611446

>>19599886
It's not a good thing, either.

>> No.19611473

A past co-worker once said he "wouldn't even cross the street for pussy."
I think about that often.

>> No.19611477

>>19611432
Where do you go in your daily life that women show interest and how do you know when they're showing interest?

>> No.19611499

>>19609754
I can get other girls if she isn’t keeping up her side of the deal

>> No.19611541

>>19611477
Not him but look for girls glancing at you, making eye contact multiple times, open body language, etc. If a random girl smiles at you for no reason, then she is basically telling you to approach her. Obviously this doesn’t count if your creepily oogling girls and they catch you

>> No.19611582

>>19611541
Where do you go in your day where this happens? I feel like most of my day-to-day I'm never even in the same room as a girl anywhere near my age. And how do you catch a girl smiling at you or looking at you if you're not supposed to look at them?

>> No.19611663
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>>19604674
The wise philospher Christopher Brown once said "Theses hoes ain't loyal"

>> No.19611841

>>19611582
Starbucks. No joke. Just get out is the main thing. You have to put yourself in a position to socialize. If you do nothing, nothing will always happen. I was a late bloomer so there is always hope. Just make sure you have a job, your own place and take basic care of yourself. Start small with chit chat or an observation so you’re not nervous thinking of your next move. Don’t worry about getting numbers in the beginning. Just get used to approaching familiar faces, meeting people and building networks. Once your comfortable, then step up. Show interest and confidence. Learn to read body language well so know when to abort or when keep going

>> No.19611997

>>19611841
I don't really get how you just socialize with random people in some store. Why would they want some random guy just coming up to them and talking to them in a Starbucks, it seems like that would at best be creepy and at worst get you like arrested or something. Girls don't even like it when random guys come up to them in bars in my experience, I don't understand the physical logistics of how you just walk up to them and talk about some inane bullshit without them getting mad that you're interrupting their day

>> No.19612380

>>19597831
based flaubert called out femoids, but for some reason they love the book? i dont think they get the message

>> No.19612665

>>19612380
>but for some reason they love the book? i dont think they get the message
Many such cases...

>> No.19613111

>>19601715
Emma Bovary personality is indeed a painful archetype, which exist and is pretty common.
Today they are "saved", as they can find excitement in the service industry.

>> No.19613184

>>19611228
You’re probably socially awkward anon and im being deadly serious
All of those things are nice and helpful but if you don’t have any game and/or real masculine confidence/energy, you wont get any, plain and simple

>> No.19613325

>>19611997
They generally dont like cold approaches even if you are handsome chad
Advice giver is giving subpar advice
Confidence and masculinity are complex subjects that 99% of people dont understand, though many of them think they do
Decide on what you are looking for and put yourself in situations to meet those people, thats the only good advice you got
You’re going to college so thats pretty much your best bet as far as finding a woman, though most college girls are extremely immature
I would generally avoid extremely attractive women who put a shitload of effort into their looks, theyre more trouble than theyre worth and will make your life more difficult
Probably look more towards reserved shy girls who will be loyal and actually improve your life
You will have to accept that these girls do not present themselves as well as the “hotter” girls at your school, hence why theyve been passed over by the other immature little BOYS going to your college
You would be wise to recognize their deeper value and find a girl who likes the same nerdy things you do, reading, science etc. who will actually make you happier and improve your quality of life

>> No.19613354

>>19601715
This needs to be at the top of every Madame Niggary post.

>> No.19613370

>>19611663
and he was right!

>> No.19613531

>>19601715
Yep this archetype of certain women are never satisfied and will always find someone to blame for the reason they aren't satisfied, when in truth it is themselves that are boring and hollow. Nothing will ever be good enough for them.

>> No.19613879

>>19613184
I know I don't have any game I don't even really know what game is as far as like what you actually say to them. I have been playfully told before by a girl that I'm awkward, but my response was surprise because I'd never really thought of myself as any more awkward than anyone else. I don't think I have a confidence issue, I used to be scared of talking to girls but I don't think that was confidence I think that was just because I didn't realize it was socially acceptable to just ask them out. Like I said I lift weights, have hobbies, have male friends, and have a job with money and a future so I think I have plenty of masculine energy. What I don't understand is how I translate this into interactions with women

>>19613325
It's online program that's cheaper than the in-person program while yielding the exact same degree and still allowing me to work, so I don't think any of that advice will help me.

>> No.19614032

>>19613879
Lifting money etc. are not masculine energy, though having your shit together is foundational to building a mature masculine confidence
When your masculinity/confidence are fully mature you will naturally translate it into interactions with women as well as men
It truly is as simple as becoming the best version of yourself that you can, which many misinterpret as meaning that you must lift the most, make the most money, be the most physically attractive etc., though this interpretation reflects femininity and immature

>> No.19614061

>>19613879
>>19614032
Accidentally posted early
* Immaturity, insecurity etc.
And no that advice is still sound
But you will have to look elsewhere then
Wherever your passions lie, you would have to find a way to turn that into female interaction
Reading: school library
Exercise: gym, out on running/cycling trails, meeting people at events like half-marathons, 5k runs etc.
In reality though its best to just meet girls either organically or through friends
You have male friends you said so see if they have any females in their social group that you would be interested in

>> No.19614450

>>19614032
I don't understand what this means for years people have been telling me to just keep doing what I'm doing since everything else is good I'll get a gf eventually but now I'm a 25 yo virgin and it's getting to the point where it's kind of weird. The last girl I went on a few dates with a couple of years ago laughed at me when I told her I'd never had an actual relationship and then I never saw her again. That was when I was 23 now I'm a few months from 26 and nothing's magically changed. When the fuck is "fully mature", the vast majority of men weren't anywhere close to what could be considered "fully mature" when they started dating.

>>19614061
None of my male friends really seem to be friends with any girls. When I go out with them it's just guys. The few who have gfs have tried to have their gfs set me up with someone but they never end up coming through. A lot of my friends are chronically single and the ones who have gfs definitely weren't rolling in pussy before they were in a relationship.

>> No.19614508

>>19614450
I mean if you literally just want some pussy just download tinder, buy gold, and take some fuckboy pictures for your account
If you want to build an actual relationship with someone thats obviously more involved
The best place to do that is unironically school but you said youre taking online classes so thats out
What youre left with is organically making connections with people which will be easier the more social activities you partake in
If you work, study, exercise and sleep without ever doing social activities of course you will never meet women
Also protip dont mention your relationship history with a woman youve only just met
After youve been with her for a while and are more comfortable divulging personal information you could mention your lack of serious relationship experience
She probably thought you never having an actual relationship was a red flag and ghosted you

>> No.19614545

>>19614508
I've tried these apps but they never lead anywhere. I don't know how to take good pictures so I barely get any matches that aren't obese/deformed and the matches I do get always stop responding to me after a few messages. I don't understand what you're supposed to talk about to these random girls, it feels like I'm conducting a job interview or something asking them generic questions about their pictures and then they stop responding. And when I try to copy some sort of quirky/funny responses from Reddit or 4chan it never seems to work. Where do you go to organically meet women irl?

>> No.19614583

>>19614545
Modern dating is time consuming and requires effort
Ive met women in my gym, at events (i go to fighting game tournaments and anime conventions), i went to 2 separate 5k events called Spartan race and Tough mudder, both of which I met plenty of nice young women at, bars, casual conversation in public spaces like stores
But I met my wife in school
Its possible to turn these casual interactions into something more, but generally to build a relationship you need to see someone on a semi-regular basis (hence school being a good place)
Tbqh you gotta figure it out yourself
Idk your hobbies other than reading since we’re on /lit/ so idk what type of events you could potentially go to

>> No.19614647

>>19614583
>Ive met women in my gym, at events (i go to fighting game tournaments and anime conventions), i went to 2 separate 5k events called Spartan race and Tough mudder, both of which I met plenty of nice young women at, bars, casual conversation in public spaces like stores
Did you go to these places alone? Other than bars none of my friends really go to anything like this. I spearfish and started getting into surfing and skiing last year. None of those things are really group activities where you'd meet other people though. No clue how you would meet a girl at the gym, it seems like it would be very creepy and intrusive to go up to a girl and ask for her number while she's like listening to music in between sets or something.

>> No.19614681

>>19614647
You dont ask for their number between sets lmfao this is the lack of social awareness development showing
You make natural casual conversation when the opportunity to do so arises
Over time you become friendly and learn eachothers names and basic personality to the point where you say hi to eachother every time you see eachother in the gym
At this point you could possibly casually ask if she would be interested in grabbing a coffee sometime or something, no pressure
If not, its cool go right back to friendly acquaintances, if so go from there
From what you’ve said to me, you’ve naturally developed decent habits, you take care of yourself and your life is on track, but you are just woefully underexposed to female interaction
You wouldnt be asking me “How do I meet guys and interact with other men?” because it would come naturally to you because youve been doing it your whole life
You are underexposed to women so you treat interacting with them like theyre fucking aliens or something, overanalyzing every detail to the point where you become anxious and confused
Straight up just talk to girls like you would a man
Have you ever had a casual interaction with another male in a store or something where something funny happened and they told a joke and you both laughed even though you didnt know eachother?
Its literally that but with a woman lol

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>>19611997
I practiced starting a conversation with anyone. Standing in line waiting for groceries. Not many seats at the cafe? On the bus isn't as good. Better are places where the interaction will necessarily be short, or the person can easily just walk away. You aren't trying to seduce that 40 year old Mexican man, or even become friends. You're just filling time. (Don't spill your spaghetti either, no politics, religion, or money just like you should've been taught) Once you stop feeling awkward chatting with the young woman eating lunch next to you (and just walking away), you should be able to do better at a party where it might be appropriate to get her phone number.

>> No.19614760

>>19614681
Well yeah I'd agree my problem is mostly that I don't really know anything about women, I'm an only child and I've never really been friends with any girls. I probably wouldn't feel the same kind of anxious talking to some random dude in a store compare to some random girl but I guess that's why I'm trying to figure where to meet them in the first place. I have no experience how to meet women so I need to meet them to gain experience but in order to meet them I need experience. It's like some kind of "oh sorry this entry level position needs a year of experience" bullshit.

>>19614712
Nobody I know has thrown a party since college, probably because everyone I know is a guy who knows no girls lmao.
>Once you stop feeling awkward chatting with the young woman eating lunch next to you
See like this, where the hell would you be where a girl would be sitting next to you eating? Like at a different table you just walk up to them and talk to them?

>> No.19614861

>>19614760
Its called networking and without it, youre just another mediocre drone generating wealth for someone else
Meet your friends’ friends and make them your friends and expand outward from there
Keep up with useful and kind people who are beneficial to you
Eventually there will be women involved

>> No.19614953

>>19614760
>Like at a different table you just walk up to them and talk to them?
nah, if it is crowded enough that there aren't empty tables, ask to join them. I mean, pre-covid. I don't know how stuff works now. I mostly just go innawoods. But you're learning sales, and the product (as it always is) is yourself.

Also, you're saying you haven't been to a house with more than like four people since college? Did you leave college in 2020? I mean this covid stuff is a mess, but before that there were women everywhere. Do you live in a strict Muslim country? Are you a shut-in?

>> No.19615011

>>19614953
I left college in 2018. I haven't been to a house with more than 4 people where any of them were a girl who wasn't a friend's gf since then more than like a single digit number of times probably. I live New Jersey, I go to bars like every other weekend at least but like I said my friends are all guys and none of them are really friends with any girls.

>nah, if it is crowded enough that there aren't empty tables, ask to join them
You can do this? Wouldn't that creep them out/annoy them?

>>19614861
I guess, I was never really good at networking in college

>> No.19615072

>>19615011
>wouldnt that creep them out
Yeah probably, i disagree with cold approach
I generally prefer having an “in”
Friends of friends imho
Networking is an important skill
Probably the most important skill honestly
Work on it

>> No.19615100

>>19615011
>Wouldn't that creep them out/annoy them?
Maybe sometimes. They can leave if they don't like it. Flirting with staff is weird because they can't leave and are sort of paid to be nice to you. But just talking to someone a bit because you are sitting next to them isn't that weird. If they don't say much after a couple tries then just finish your meal and try again with someone else tomorrow. Have you never known someone who can, and does, start a conversation with anyone? Oh right, you're ivy league, ha, sorry go hang out with poor people more. Plenty of lower class guys have this skill. Some guys can chat up a girl on the sidewalk, but I'm not quite that good.

>> No.19615132

>>19615072
I'm not saying you try to get their number. Just have a friendly conversation. It's neighborly, there should be more of it in the world. People are all atomized and disconnected; it's not healthy. Just talk to people, maybe they enjoy their day a little more, maybe you do, then just walk away. Smile and laugh while you do it, maybe you'll even believe you are happy

>> No.19615158

>>19601808
>but he like any artist, is trying to get a point across.
Kek. What points are musicians trying to get across?

>> No.19615198

>>19615158
lmao

>> No.19615248

>>19615132
Friendly conversation is one thing, asking to join them is another
Id be very annoyed if someone asked me that in a public space

>> No.19615289

>>19600554
Expecting Reality to meet your demands instead of vice versa is a root of so many evils

>> No.19615314

>>19597831
But that's *la magie* of the book. It takes a mundane premise and transfigures it into the sublime through no more than sheer prose.

>> No.19615330

>>19615289
>so many evils
Or perhaps better, follies. Yet maybe they are equivalent. It was Plato who said that ignorance is the root and stem of all evil.

>> No.19615336

>>19600554
>She did nothing wrong other than being too naive and expect the world to be better than what it sadly is.
In other words she did nothing wrong except be COMPLETELY WRONG

>> No.19615346

>>19615248
Get over yourself. It's called public space. You don't like it, go home.

>> No.19615441

>>19615346
Get over yourself faggot lmfao
“Hey ladies heh its a little crowded in this fucking olive garden mind if i join you?”
Fuck outta here dumbass

>> No.19615502

>>19615441
Do you seat yourself at an olive garden or is it a regular restaurant? Because no, you sit where the hostess puts you. But a food court, or outdoor seating not opened by one restaurant, or the beach, or any actually public place that's too crowded to space out. At the bus stop might be annoying, unless this is your regular commute and you see these people regularly, then those are members of your community you should be talking to.

Here's the clue, would you talk to your elderly neighbor in this situation or are you just trying to get laid? Don't be a horny asshole. Do be a friendly neighbor. And if sometimes this includes young women, good that will be practice for when you might be in an appropriate situation to get a date. Luck, and getting lucky, is mostly about preparation.

>> No.19615643

>>19599886
The only culture in cities is one of consumption. Urbanites such as yourself have allowed yourself to be deluded into thinking the products you purchase are culture and upon seeing people who do not buy these products you assume there is no culture. Culture is the combination of community and spirituality, both of which are lacking in cities by design.

>> No.19615727

>>19612380
women have no introspection. entertainment in atheist society is based on sex and crimes, which is 99% of the life of an atheist, ie women, BUT women love this stuff because they can be judgmental and comment on the characters, yet they fail to see it's literally their lives that the character lead...

Women dont give a shit about anything else than doing snarky remarks. This is why all the soap opera carps which have been going on for the last 50 years are still airing today. It's literally the same story over and over and over again, ie sex and crime stuff, and yet women keep watching this, week after week, and they love every minute of this crap.

>> No.19615745

>>19615727
I dislike women.

>> No.19615852

>>19599614
yeah it's known that flaubert hated most women (not all, of course) read his letters too

>> No.19615857

>>19600261
based fiction hater

>> No.19615941

>>19603617
She's white

>> No.19616352

>>19615336
Correct, she did nothing wrong except everything. Anon is a retard.

>> No.19617055

>>19615100
I don't understand what you mean by "just sitting next to them". and I don't get this weird anti-elitism, my mom was a nurse who never completed college and my dad only has a bachelors because he could swim. My undergrad was from a state school I just thought I'd highlight my accomplishments so you wouldn't tell me to stop being a loser which is what I see very often in threads like these. I just don't want to complain about being a virgin and have people tell me to "lel improve urself", I don't fucking know how to improve myself anymore man and I'm sorry if that offends you. I just want advice please help...

>> No.19617127

>>19615158
it depends on the musician of course, idiot. some write music to sing praises to God, others to tell a story (opera), others just to make the listener think about a certain theme, or feel a certain emotion.

>> No.19617136

>>19617055
>I'm so poor I went to a state school
You know 2/3rds the country doesn't go to college right?
But whatever. Can you start a conversation with the person next to you in the checkout line? Have you spoken to the people on the bus on your daily commute? Do you talk to anybody when you walk through your neighborhood? What do rich people do... Do you ever talk to the person next to you on the plane? That breaks a rule I gave, and people still do it successfully all the time. Talking to strangers is a similar skill to talking to women. Amazing, I know. I don't think you need more improvement. I think you need to go talk to a hundred women until one takes pity on you and you can get your dick wet. Oh but don't fall in love with the first girl that's nice to you though. There is a mathematical formula for finding the best possible wife, friggin use it.

>> No.19617775

>>19602678
simone weil

>> No.19618425

>>19617055
Nta but why is your default state to assume that people will get mad at you for talking to them? Talking with strangers is fun as long as you’re not rude or creepy and you keep it light and interesting (read: ask them about themselves and don’t ramble about yourself). You keep asking for advice and you keep getting the only possibly answer to your situation: become a warmer, more open person to everyone around you. I talk to people I sit next to on airplanes and often others will join the conversation bc it’s nice to pass the time. Sometimes when you’re talking in public pretty girls will join, but seriously talk to everyone

>> No.19620328

How the fuck did this thread go from based commentary on Bovary to some /r9k/ shit about whining for dating advice? Baffling.

>> No.19620372 [DELETED] 

>>19618425
is this some hill billy shit or something? i live in the city and no one wants some rando to start talking to them about anything

>> No.19620381

>>19615314
but you read it in translation, what do you know about the prose?

>> No.19620428

>DUDE
>FISH PEOPLE
>LMAO

>> No.19620445

>>19620328
Did you forget that this is /lit/?

>> No.19620474

Women are pieces of shit.

>> No.19620538

>>19600554
But that is how the world truly is senpai

>> No.19620985

>>19611228
forget women and fuck guys(me)

>> No.19621090

>>19613879
About ten years ago my wife and I saw modest mouse, in the car, listening to Talking Shit about a Pretty Sunset this idea hit me. My wife loves pre 2003 modest mouse lyrics;

"I blame this job, this town, these friends, the truth is it's myself"

>> No.19621178

>>19600593
>Woman marries doctor
>doctor is in love with her
>woman finds him boring and whores around
>Doctor is at fault in the eyes of woman.

Take that as you will.

>> No.19621973

>>19621178
He's not at fault, but she deserved better, because she was too free spirited to be contained in that dull life.

>> No.19622137

>>19621973
he deserved someone whos not a delusional roastie princess. she would have been unhappy with anyone, since nobody can live up to the romantic notions of an adventurer-prince-lover (basically a 50 shades type rich sex-machine is what she wanted, funny how women are still the same today, guess flaubert couldnt get his message across)

>> No.19622150

>>19621973
Yeah she deserved Chad desu. Give her a nice dicking and move on to the next thot.

>> No.19622862

>>19621973
>be 19th century French middle class
>better off than 95% of people who ever lived
>do absolutely nothing to deserve it
>still deserve even better somehow
Yes, this is logical and sensible. "Free spirited" definitely isn't just a euphemism for greedy.

>> No.19624131

>>19622862
She wasn't greedy. She didn't care about money. She wanted an exciting life. She had a poetic soul.

>> No.19624186

>>19609700
>World probably somewhere between five and twenty years away from complete global collapse of civilization
lmfao

>> No.19624356

>>19624131
>greed can only be directed at money
Damn, how does it feel to be a completely slope-browed mongoloid? Is it tingly?

>> No.19624367

women are not monogamous by nature
everything they enjoy reading, or write themselves underpins this fact
just accept it

>> No.19624375

>>19599614
bovary is a pretty scathing critique of women. It's really insightful not just for calling women shit, but in doing it so realistically that every woman who reads it feels like she can relate to this absolutely obnoxious cunt.

>> No.19624416

>>19624375
Very well put.

>> No.19625227

>>19624356
my brain is smoov urs is winkly icky :P

>> No.19626175

>>19597931
cope

>> No.19627387

>>19608454
thanks for saving me from replying to that dumb fuck

>> No.19627408

>>19598191
Madame Bovary ,what a cow!

>> No.19627430 [DELETED] 

>>19597831
it's time that you cheated on your husband, that will spice things up

>> No.19628933

>>19599614
I thought the point of the book was that you can't escape yourself / fucking someone more interesting won't fill the void in your whore heart.

>> No.19629342

>>19597831

Everybody in this book is an asshole.

The Doctor is a careerist and he's actually not that good at his job. He botches surgeries and attempts new, bold procedures from the city without ever going to the city to see how they are performed. One can interpret this as him attempting to bring the modernity of the city to his township, and to show his wife he has value, but he cocks it up every step of the way.

Mme Bovary herself is obsessed with modernity. In the post-revolutionary spirit that stays alive under the surface of the Bourbon revival and the 1848 failed rebellions, she is one of the first to act out that underlying sense of entitlement that Flaubert sees not just in women, but in all people of post-revolutionary France. Not just the city, but its inhabitants, are all illusory. They are all putting up an eminence front, and Madame Bovary's greatest sin is thinking that her earnestness and transparency to be a pernicious, cheating slut will somehow be rewarded as a new modern virtue. But she finds the opposite- men and women alike are just as deceitful, guarded, and posturing publicly while privately behaving much differently.

This is a distinctly anti-modernist and anti-revolutionary piece of literature but it really does encapsulate the thin line between total society-break-down, anarchy, and the thin veneer of civility and societal obligations which kept French culture on life support in the post-revolutionary period.

>> No.19629389

>>19600577
In this regard, it was trying to say something about how the ability of women to live interesting and fulfilling lives is dependent on their husbands and men more generally. Mr. Bovary is to blame only insofar that he wasn't attentive to or understanding to Emma's needs but really Emma's tragedy is that of women who are dependent on men more generally - some times you are going to get a boring chud who is in no way capable of understanding your needs and emotions

>> No.19629395

>>19624367
Neither are men, what is ur point lol

>> No.19629434

>>19629389
>really Emma's tragedy is that of women who are dependent on men more generally - some times you are going to get a boring chud who is in no way capable of understanding your needs and emotions
Absolutely not. Emma's tragedy is that her needs are *manufactured* and *retarded*. It has nothing to do with dependency, they would be equally oafish in a "liberated", self-supporting woman. How the fuck would less dependency have made her cheating on her husband okay, or her dumb craving for a romanticism that doesn't exist?

>> No.19630032

>>19629342
> The Doctor is a careerist and he's actually not that good at his job. He botches surgeries and attempts new, bold procedures from the city without ever going to the city to see how they are performed. One can interpret this as him attempting to bring the modernity of the city to his township, and to show his wife he has value, but he cocks it up every step of the way.
Kind of, ge was stupid but the entire episode about the botched surgery was orchestrated by the pharmacist who knew Charles was going to fail. He’s the one that convinced and pushed Charles to do it.

>> No.19630043

>>19624367
No one is monogamous by nature, retard.

>> No.19630319

>>19630043
They could be. Life is complicated. Male angler fish are monogamous, why not you?

>> No.19630390

Lmao I dicked some thot who thought I'd stick around but then I dicked her bestie who was more than willing to get dicked lmao

>> No.19630455

>>19630043
lol

>> No.19630516

>>19629395
>>19630043
This isn't about men
People don't have a purity complex about men
In this age the way people think about men and women should be flipped

>> No.19630534

>>19604401
I don't think the link between atheism, consumerism, hedonism, and urban living is a difficult link to draw or understand

>> No.19630596

>>19599614
to what other anons have said I add that it is, like most works of its time, a critic against capitalism in the sense Madame Bovary has a lot of relationships with men, where she mostly has power over them, but at the very end she falls into the claws of accountants because she cannot subsist anymore

>>19600593
The only way in which this book is feminist is because it was one of the first novels absolutely protagonized by a female and that she wasn't just a housekeeper, that's all, in almost all of it regards it mocks his protagonist

>>19624131
she was quite greedy, when needing money she did nothing to help his husband out

>> No.19631525

>>19630390
Chadlife lmao

>> No.19632018

>>19630516
People don’t have a “purity complex” you idiot, it’s that no one wants to be duped into taking care of some other man’s child and its whore mother. Taking care of a family is a huge responsibility and burden. Would you take that burden with a whore?

>> No.19632273

>>19614545
https://youtu.be/N7FVmeJXwCY

>> No.19632622

>>19598176
Now I want a short sequel which is just the guy being comfy in the countryside while his wife is being miserable in the background.

>> No.19632627

>>19611183
what do you mean an italian.

>> No.19632640

>>19632627
He'd slice her up some nice gabagool, give her the old stupro di cassonetto, sock her in the eye, and make all local trains run on time perfectly