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>> No.19562812

>>19561207
No

>> No.19562828

I absolutely hated this pretentious piece of shit.

I liked the sci-fi portion with the labyrinthine descriptions of the haunted house, but the other two parts were so self-masturbatory, that DanielJewski gives DFW and Joyce a run for their money.

>> No.19562840

started this today. sort of reads like pretentious or literary YA. So far either postmodernism is just ok or ive been filtered.

>> No.19563030

>>19561207
Is it any good, looking at getting it for Christmas

>> No.19563043

My friends thought it was the coolest thing ever in their teens. I thought it was pretty cool in my early twenties. Not sure if I'd want to take the time to go back to it in my 30's.

>> No.19563348

>>19561207
Pretentious and poorly written

>> No.19563984

>>19562828
He really doesn't give anyone a run for their money.

>>19562840
>reads like pretentious or literary YA
That's what it is. Great to read in high school. I re-read it in October and it's just blech.

>>19563030
If you're twenty or younger.

>> No.19564017

I have good memories of it, the johnny truant sections are very cringe in a kind of palahniuk way. If you can tolerate that it's a pretty unique read with some puzzles under the surface that don't really have any clear solutions, which plays into the whole labyrinth theme I think

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19564450

holy shit these criticisms read like they came from a tabloid lol. do you guys have anything to say ABOUT the novel beyond slapstick one-liners? what MAKES you say it's pretentious, poorly written, negatively self-serving? give me passages and actual thoughts... god this sub has fucking died.

>> No.19564456

>>19564450
>god this sub has fucking died.
>sub

>> No.19564555

>>19563030
The end isn't that great but I had a fun time, I'm not sure if I'm going to read it again or not.

>> No.19564575

>>19564456
No wonder the quality here has gone to shit when its been overrun with redditors.

>> No.19564591

>>19561207
It actually was really good. People here just hate on it because they didn't take the time to understand it.

>> No.19564597
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>> No.19564603

>>19561207
Good horror but poorly executed metafictional elements. >>19563043 >>19564017 and >>19564597 sum up many of the feelings I have about it.

>> No.19564622

>>19564450
i used to type out paragraph responses in HoL threads but now i feel like its not worth it. it tries to be too many things at once, most of which are pale fire, and fails.

>>19563984
>If you're twenty or younger.
disagree. itll be boring

>> No.19564700

>>19564597
Offtopic but Bronner's soap is legitimately a stellar product. The people behind it being batshit crazy religious fanatics has nothing to do with the thing itself.

>> No.19564738

I read it when it came out, because it was very popular on /x/ at the time. I was in highschool and very interested in "weird" books (not to be conflated with the genre of weird fiction). I had the energy to slog through it, and the reward was discussion with equally exuberant readers.

Without the community to debate hidden meanings, though, the book kind of blows it's load in concept. "What if the book were also a labyrinth?" isn't a bad idea, but I don't think the execution is great, because the story of Navidison doesn't actually benefit from all the footnotes. MZD seems to be high-concept, low-execution in general, because that's exactly how I felt about Only Revolutions, which I could not bother finishing.

>> No.19564756

>>19564738
>it's the Lost or X Files of novels.
There is something to that analogy that applies to a lot of books.

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19564835

Haha no. I wouldn't even call it a novel.

It is fine for experimental postmodern ARG fun but as a serious book it is bloated and directionless. There are some cool ideas but at the end of the day I don't think Mark had a real cohesive idea behind it.

Once the novelty wears off you are stuck with a fatass meaningless emittance which is so unpalatable to sit through that you'd rather eat glass.

>> No.19565022

>>19562828
ok thanks brian griffin

>> No.19565047

>>19561207
Most assuredly not
I like it a lot, but it's really just a fun, extremely middlebrow book

>> No.19565113

>>19561207
What is it about? It has been recommended to me, but by people who have only recommended YA novels.

>> No.19565298

>>19564835
>It is fine for experimental postmodern ARG fun but as a serious book it is bloated and directionless.
Agreed.

>at the end of the day I don't think Mark had a real cohesive idea behind it.
Strongly disagree. Extremely tight themeing, as well as being very autobiographical.

>> No.19566215

>>19565298
>Strongly disagree. Extremely tight themeing, as well as being very autobiographical.
explain. i agree completely with that poster. how are the parts cohesive? how about that romance side plot? how is the themeing tight?

>> No.19566310

which version has cover that's bit too small?

>> No.19566570

>>19564450
if you use more than two clauses on this board someone who's triggered by your opinion will
>imaging having this much of a meltdown projection much
ur post

anyway no-one need to type out an analysis of this fucking book to have an opinion, especially with a work so hard to objectively measure as this piece of crap. i liked it but everything that's been typed so far is true. pretentious, all over the place, clearly an experiment in pushing formatting as far as it can go with, in terms of raw story, an OK basis.

it's like someone collecting everything people say they want from Stephen King that the man just doesn't do; depth, complexity, realistic depictions of mental illness, meta bullshit that isn't just a gimmick, the ability to hold the setting together throughout the entire novel without filling the word count with an overwhelming quantity of smalltownvibes. it just turns out people don't actually like that stuff, they just think it's cool, and it doesn't make a great book.

>> No.19566968

>>19561207
cringe is what it is

>> No.19567218

>>19561207
2666 or Austerlitz.

>> No.19567226

wait i was under the impression that this was just some kind of weird experimental hipster novel, is it actually just YA genre crap?

>> No.19567264

>>19561207
I hated reading it, slogging through the gibberish from the old man and the """interesting""" narrative perspectives were bait into wasting my time.

>> No.19568422

>>19566310
The "Remastered" one