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19552452 No.19552452 [Reply] [Original]

Why do boomers think that books and technology are not compatible?

>> No.19552457

>>19552452
Do they? Or do they not know how to load an ebook onto a computer and overcome their slave morality to get them for free?

>> No.19552468

It’s usually just media competing for cash, but some know. Some know there’s no future in digital books/media

>> No.19552476

I don't know any boomers who read anything other than biographies of rock musicians and spy thrillers.

>> No.19552478

>19552468
Another stupid take. Don’t reply to my threads you fucking cunt.

>> No.19552504
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>19552478
Unless we create fusion energy and find some dilithium crystals, we’re going to march backwards technologically (if we survive the climate catastrophe). Sorry if this hits you as too pessimistic.

>> No.19552512

Projection.
Boomers love social media.

>> No.19552527

>>19552452
That's not the position that your picture depicts.

>> No.19552537

>>19552452

I thought the book was molesting a girl for a sec wtf

>> No.19552548

>>19552504
I have (very slightly) mixed feelings on this. On one hand I do not want civilization to collapse. I really hope the fusion thing works, or otherwise we create the systems needed to harvest enough solar power to keep this whole thing going. Even then, we will need to cleanup a lot of things, from plastics to heavy metals and everything else. (Here the anti-tech anarcho-prim ideology fails, because quite a bit of research and development of new technologies will be needed to sustain civilization and clean up the environment).

On the other, it would be glorious to see the communist reaction to the ecological backdrop which made their whole "march through the stages of development" meme crumble away. Ensuring that they are forever stuck in feudalism or an earlier stage would be awesome. (Unfortunately, I would be stuck there too, making this somewhat undesirable).

>> No.19552554

>>19552452
In a very real sense, the algorithm-dominated landscape of social media is designed to destroy your attention span and your self control and your critical thinking skills in order to sell you more shit, keep you in debt bondage, and make you a more passive, compliant citizen of the state. A highly literate and highly educated public are a massive inconvenience to the organs of government, because they have their own ideas on what ought to be done and how public money ought to be spent.

You need critical thinking skills, a reasonably large attention span, and self control to read books, understand them, understand why they are important, and make connections between the reading material and your own, native body of knowledge & expertise.

>> No.19552561

>>19552504
>anarchists think they can solve climate change without the state
childish

>> No.19552566

>>19552452
because they're not compatible. tv these days is literal jew indoctrination. social media is also all lies. contemporary books are also shit.
>>19552468
>>19552504
LONDON
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>> No.19552569
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>>19552548
I see where you’re coming from and kind of agree. I recommend this little utopian to you

>> No.19552573

>>19552561
States are the cause

>> No.19552590

>>19552573
How? Climate change was inevitable once people realized we had a readily available, easily transportable, and very potent energy source for the taking. (What wasn't inevitable was the delay in alternatives once the oil companies realized climate change was a thing). States don't even come into the equation.

>> No.19552605

>>19552573
demonstrably false, like all femoids you have a childlike understanding of production

>> No.19552625

>>19552554
>You need critical thinking skills, a reasonably large attention span, and self control to read books

anyone one this site can disprove that. most of us are brain dead and spend the time we're not reading inside a meaningless job or watching streamers playing vidya (at best playing them ourselves)
example:
>>19552566

>> No.19552649

>>19552625
I think my point stands, since you literally didn't read the rest of the sentence
>[in order to] understand them, understand why they are important, and make connections between the reading material and your own, native body of knowledge & expertise

>> No.19552652

Even using an ebook i have trouble reading.

I can read comics on a tablet no issues. But novels etc i just cant.

Its not that im a ludite. I wouls love to be able to. I save so much on music, film, comics etc

Thankfully used books go for like 99p-£3 so it's not a huge expense.

>> No.19552670

>>19552468
>there’s no future in digital books/media

Why are you such a stupid woman?

>> No.19552691

>>19552670
How will you have digital media without electronics?

>> No.19553026

>>19552691
>he doesn't have a ten ton mechanical e-reader

>> No.19553072

>>19552452

As the processes of technology- how the technology actually functions- gets obfuscated underneath more intuitive User Interfaces, a new form of priori convenience is generated. As subsequent generations learn not how the technology functions, but solely how to manipulate its user interfaces to gain the desired outcome, and that desired outcome is usually in providing smaller and smaller pieces of information, the capability for people to reverse-engineer or learn the 'hardware' of their technology dissipates.

Let us look at John Deer tractors. Thirty years ago, if you were a farmer with a John Deer tractor, and you had owned it about ten years, chances are you have worked with others to learn how, when, where, and why a piece of the tractor is no longer functioning. You could then fabricate, manipulate, or wholesale replace that part. Now if you own a John Deer tractor in 2021, you require a series of software diagnostic tools in order to find where the faults in the tractor are and then if you wished the part fabricated, manipulated, or wholesale replaced, you can only go to John Deer. Any other attempt by you, the owner of the technology, to understand it beyond the surface-level, is actually illegal. This dis-incentivizes farmers from learning about their tools and their inner-workings. The same thing occurs with technology concerning the recording and transferring of information. If the cultural norm of using these information technologies is to create 6 hour videos meandering about video games but ten minute videos trying to explain revolutionary France, this trains the next generation to spend all their time on the useless information while parsing as little useful information as possible. With twitter's character limit, with the introduction of 'memes' as short-hand for cultural skeleton-keys that let others know that you are 'in the know' of useless information, the desire to be SEEN as intelligent rather than a desire to actually flex and utilize ones intelligence takes utmost precedence. This is informed by the cultural trend towards technological use: Rather than learning how something works, you need only to learn that by pressing a single button all your dreams come true. This is the antithesis to good literature, which when well written in terms of fiction, gives the reader the illusion of being smart for solving the author's puzzles. In non-fiction, a well written work provides you all the relevant information and tools to reference back to the provided information for current or future use.

>> No.19553081

i have a penis

>> No.19553083

>>19552452
I deleted my social media and my life improved a lot.
You do you. But if you even try to deactivate ALL your social media for a week (keep instant messaging for professional reasons and contact with real friends), you'll see the difference.

It's up to you, man.

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>>19553072
Based right to repair poster

>> No.19553100

>>19553072
How do we fix this, even on a personal scale?

>> No.19553107

>>19552452
There's this vague normie idea that books are culture and culture makes you smart, and if you are smart you won't use social media and if you don't use social media you will be successful in life in the sense that you will become a doctor and earn many shekels so that your father and mother will end up in a nice retirement home instead of a bad one.

>> No.19553117

>>19553072
>>19553100
This ties directly into "What is art" by Tolstoy. Seriously this gigantic blackpill of a book should be stickied for ever unto the ages of ages. It gets everything right about art, although it's extremely difficult to accept.

>> No.19553190

>>19553100
The right to repair movement is clawing back end user repair rights

>> No.19553471

>>19553100

Read your owners manual to your products. Know the basics of how they work. Avoid the comforting blanket of subculture acceptance. Don't accept that short-form answers are coming from someone intelligent and that long-form answers are meandering nonsense. Seek out discourse that is not constantly self-affirming in subcultures and groups. Avoid the use of social media as a primary, or even secondary, means of communication with people. And unironically reduce meme usage. It's fine to laugh and 'get the joke' and drop the occasional funny image, but recognize that it's all short-hand without any nuance. Always attempt to troubleshoot your own hardware and software issues to its maxim before you cannot fix the issue yourself.

>> No.19555046

>>19552452
Who told you that?

>> No.19555112

>>19552452
Do you mean actual baby boomers or just old people?

>> No.19555223

>>19555112
"Baby Boomer" means "of the Baby Boomer generation", when people say "boomer" they just mean old person yeah

>> No.19555240

>>19552691
I have electronics. Literally everyone the world over does.
Just because you have a fantasy about electronics not existing doesn't mean it will ever come to fruition. Leave your dreams to when you're sleeping. We're all living in reality.

>> No.19555292

>>19552573
you realize the state is the only thing keeping us from hanging you from a tree right ?

>> No.19555303

>>19555240
ok retard but what you gonna say if they turn off all the electronics tomorrow? huh? HUH?

>> No.19555492

>>19552590
>once the oil companies realized climate change was a thing)
That was the 1950s fyi.
States, state-capitalism, because you cannot separate the body from its blood, is the cause. If humans learned to be less shortsighted. Climate change and resource depletion are linked predicaments and the anarchist program has little to nothing to do with the causes or continuation of them.

>>19552605
You’re a typical shortsighted male.

>19555292
*shoots you dead*

>> No.19555720

>>19553083
>>19553072
>>19553100

Social media (even 4channel) are what's referred to as "skinner boxes" or clickbait dispenseries. They load us up with dopamine of novelty without hard work and it's addictive to check for new updates.

It's like drugs without the lung damage or blown out veins.

>> No.19555767

>>19552670
>allows trannies to fag out his brain till he seethes
>doesnt see the evil in his online media.
lol, chill guy

>> No.19555836

>>19553081
We know

>> No.19555908

>>19555492
>Climate change and resource depletion are linked predicaments and the anarchist program has little to nothing to do with the causes or continuation of them
Maybe for anprims, but climate change would almost certainly be worse in an anarchist society simply because of extreme decentralisation and excessive duplication of resources that necessitates the survival of such a society, this is because climate change is a problem of technology, not government structure (the state existed long before climate change).
Example: if I want a car, it's far better for the environment to be produced in a single massive factory where iron ore goes in one end and finished cars come out the other end (even more efficient is if each factory focuses on producing one single module of the car then having them assembled in a central location, which is what we have nowadays) than to attempt to build a little workshop garage for each community.
Any attempt at concentrating of these resources (to increase efficiency and thus reduce environmental impact) would just lead you right back to a state and/or capitalism.
I mean, that's why states became a thing to begin with lol.

>> No.19555932

>>19552452
have you ever spent four or five hours simply reading? this is the only real issue - bit its about the nature of consciousness and our mental health in terms of how we relate to the world.
the issue isnt technology - its the incrementatization of attention and inverse proportional increase of pavlovian dopamine that is the problem, not to mention the utter cult / silo belief system that has spawned from mass internet access. but we'll get passed all that once the Zuck class is eliminated.

>> No.19555937

>>19552625
? did you make a point in there somewhere?
my critical skills seem to be insufficient to find it

>> No.19556126

>>19555908
No no no. You don’t get what’s going on or what anarchism would do for society. International capitalism duplicates the shit out of mountains of junk. The modern capitalist state came about because of the discovery of fossil fuels and is ripping through this finite resource like the worst galactic fart. Technology and all this “progress” are going to be gone in record time because of the *profit motive*
This car example is goofballs. They manufacture parts all over the place. The US made some in Mexico and shipped them to back to the US and had the final nuts and bolts slapped on and it’s all of a sudden made in the USA. Hey, in anarchism that wouldn’t be a big deal though. But also (as I’m envisioning it unfolding) localized communities would have far less need for individual cars, and those with cars would just drive less. But again, shits going to hit the fan and we won’t have vehicles much in the future at all.

>> No.19556252

>>19552504
NOOOOOOO, SUMMERS ARE HOT AND WINTERS ARE COLD SAVE ME, COMMUNISM!!!!

>> No.19556273

>>19556252
you think anyone finds you funny or smart?

>> No.19556413

>>19556252
hello
i am tornado
i am sorry were you sleeping?

>> No.19556519

>>19556252
That’s not even what it’s about. Read the fucking cover.

>> No.19556656

they lost the charger cable for the e-reader, obviously

>> No.19556668

>>19552452
Because new is bad and they are scared of the bad.
It'll happen to you, and in fact, is already happening to you. You won't have to think long to come up with examples.