I dont get it

[Anonymous No.19537968]

[Anonymous No.19537983]

That’s because it’s poorly constructed rhetoric. It refers to chiasmes and wordplay in place of evidence.

[Anonymous No.19538004]

>>19537968
It's written in the chiasmic Hegelian style and it starts out good but gradually falls apart.

[Anonymous No.19538039]

The english translation is so bad I cannot advise you to read it again, otherwise I would have. The situationists have been seldomly translated, most of the time horribly. It took me a while to really get it, well worth the effort, I go back to it all the time.

I have an anotated pdf in french with all the détournements and such, it helps.


70. L’imposture de la satisfaction doit se dénoncer elle-même en se remplaçant, en suivant le changement des produits et celui des conditions générales de la production. Ce qui a affirmé avec la plus parfaite impudence sa propre excellence définitive change pourtant, dans le spectacle diffus mais aussi dans le spectacle concentré, et c’est le système seul qui doit continuer : Staline comme la marchandise démodée sont dénoncés par ceux-là mêmes qui les ont imposés. Chaque nouveau mensonge de la publicité est aussi l’aveu de son mensonge précédent. Chaque écroulement d’une figure du pouvoir totalitaire révèle la communauté illusoire qui l’approuvait unanimement, et qui n’était qu’un agglomérat de solitudes sans illusions.

[Anonymous No.19538044]

La vie privée? Oui, mais privée de quoi? De la vie elle même, qui lui fait cruellement défaut

[Anonymous No.19538734]

>>19538039

I love recuperation. I love how capitalism effortlessly assimilates you assholes.

[Anonymous No.19538746]

>>19537968
ssopceicettaycl of the e - guy debord

[Anonymous No.19539230]

>>19537968
utter joke of a book and an idea. the facr that commies take it seriously is very telling.

[v_v !!+e0M0fBMYzt No.19539348]

just read capital

[Anonymous No.19539432]

>>19539230
Give one (1) reason to justify your claim.

[Anonymous No.19539451]

>they're wearing spectacles on the cover

[Anonymous No.19539457]

>Debord encouraged the use of detournement, "which involves using spectacular images and language to disrupt the flow of the spectacle."
this means posting frogs and sneedposting

[Anonymous No.19541007]

>>19539230
>commies take it seriously is very telling.
they do?

[Anonymous No.19541016]

We live in a society

Of the spectacle

Bottom text (protip capitialism)

[Anonymous No.19541021]

>>19537968
maybe the real reason you are upset about 'the spectcle' is not out of any principled marxist reasons but because the media has begun to represent and recognize the humanity of people who aren't you(ie. not white cishet males) and you are just entitled and upset you are no longer the center of the universe. Situationism might be appealing to college aged straight white boys who just got out of the suburbs, and had some contact with the social justice critique of capitalism, but aren't yet ready to sit down and listen to marginalised folks or actually assume the responsibility that comes with their privilege. Representation is very important for marginalised folks, so let's NOT be dismissive of it, OK? You live in a world where (until very recently) all the superheroes, all the hollywood actors and politicians looked very much like you, it's a funny thing that you only started feeling alienated by the souless materialism of the consumerist spectacle'' when the culture started shifting towards a place of greater empathy and inclusiveness. gatekeeping is not rad. Science has proven microaggresions have a negative impact on psychology while positive representation of role models in media has a positive impact. Were things actually better when popular culture was all white and straight, when only 'high culture', as defined by a narrow clique of white male gatekeepers was deemed worthy of being taken seriously? the position of postmodern baudrillardian irony can only be taken by one who is used to feeling safe, living a sheltered privileged life with no sense of urgency. You will never hear trans people, queers, people of color talk about the spectacle and the simulacra and this and that because they actually have real things to worry about, their lives are actually in danger.

[Anonymous No.19541139]

>>19537968
It's the same idea as They Live, but without literal aliens and buried under a layer of Hegelian/Marxist gibberish.

[Anonymous No.19541182]

>>19537968
He's a Marxist and like most Marxists he does not write to be understood: he writes to propagandistically advance ideology and bludgeon the reader into acceptance. The book itself is ironically a form of spectacle.

[Anonymous No.19541218]

>>19541021
Yawn. Society of the spectacle is incoherent Marxist drivel but I'm not interested in your identity politics jargon either. Nothing in your reply addresses specific arguments in the book. Your entire post is just to hand wave away the argument because "it comes from a place of privilege". It could come from the richest whitest persona alive. Doesn't make the arguments wrong.

[Anonymous No.19541396]

>>19541021
>You will never hear trans people, queers, people of color talk about the spectacle and the simulacra and this and that because they actually have real things to worry about,
When you're so woke you end up saying black people can't read ... Amazin. This has to be bait.

[Anonymous No.19541524]

>>19537968
Dude, everythings like fake man

[Anonymous No.19541627]

>>19541396
Marginalized people dont need to read because their lived experience than in all the white male theorybros books. In fact the worship of the written word has always been tied to colonialism and white supremacy.

White settlers benefit from capitalism hence they have every incentive to oppose revolution or any progressive advancement for marginalized folks more broadly. Instead of pandering to the most backward secrors of the working class we should lead the way along with the most advanced ones, black and indigenous people, and queer/ trans sex workers. Sex workers not the straight male labour aristocracy who are at the vanguard of the proletarian movemen, women and queer people taking the means of production into their own hands by refusing to perform unpaid sexual and emotional labor for white men. The real class struggle is not in factories but in womens bodies. work is a threat to patriarchy the capitalist system itself it is radically queer because it goes against the idea that sex is for the reproduction of the nuclear family and the patriarchal ideology of romantic love. Its a means for workers to take the means of production into their own hands here and now to abolish the distinction between the private sphere and the public, between work and pleasure and self expression. To break down the walls of lily white christian suburbia into a brave new world of pleasure rebellion and freedom. Yes it is true what they say about us queer postmodern neomarxists We are gonna groom all your daughters to be whores and your sons to be nympho trans sex workers.

[Anonymous No.19541634]

>>19541627
Lots of words that can be summed up in one:

Cringe.

[Anonymous No.19541689]

>>19541627
>es it is true what they say about us queer postmodern neomarxists We are gonna groom all your daughters to be whores and your sons to be nympho trans sex workers.
Nice troll you got me mate.

[Anonymous No.19541711]

>>19541021
Anon, if you want a look at what happens to a society when these so-called marginalized groups have total political power, look no further than Uganda under Idi Amin or Rwanda under the Hutus.

If you think white majority rule has been so horrible, you are free to move to one of these completely unstable and thoroughly corrupt countries where the notion of human rights doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.19541813]

This thread is full of grade A morons. If you haven't read it in french or italian then you haven't read the book. There is simply no good translation.

>>19541021
american with an american perspective ranting about american divergences within american ideology. well worth the (you)