Pagan influences on Tolkien

[Anonymous No.19533727]

Are there any books on the pagan influences on Tolkien and The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings? Right now I'm re-reading The Fellowship of the Ring. I'm on the chapter "In the House of Tom Bombadil" and the descriptions of himself & what he's wearing make me think of Odin/Zeuss/Bacchus.

[Anonymous No.19534037]

>>19533727
How bout a book on these nuts, dweeb

[Anonymous No.19534041]

>>19533727
>Tolkien
do yourself a favor and start reading something worthwhile like math, science, or history

[Anonymous No.19534130]

>>19534041
no those are boring

[Anonymous No.19534136]

>>19534130
>>19534130
sometimes fact can be stranger than fiction. plus youll have a better understanding of why things are the way they are if you know the how we got here in the first place.

[Anonymous No.19534142]

>>19534136
i already know everything
now i want to know that which isn't anything

[Anonymous No.19534144]

>>19534041
ah Rackham, loved him when I was a teenager. Do yourself a favor and start appreciating something worthwhile like Brueghel, Goya, or Piranesi

[Anonymous No.19534161]

>>19534144
Pieter Bruegel the Elder is alright

[Anonymous No.19534167]

>>19533727
>pagan

this word has lost all meaning with the incessant use of it by leftists and new age spiritual retards.

[Anonymous No.19534171]

>>19534167
You know perfectly well what anon means by "pagan" in this context. You just want to grand-stand against new age retards.

[Anonymous No.19534182]

>>19534171
Cheers. I’ll give you that mate. It’s my own prejudice obscuring my willingness to consume what op means. Just by knee jerk reaction.

[Anonymous No.19534186]

>>19534182
Understandable.

[Anonymous No.19534215]

>>19533727
You clearly don't want to read such a book, if it exists. Just keep the mystery, man, it's what you like about it.

Also you better read the Bible if you want an epic story that actually connects you with people instead of pushing you away from society. Soon or later you gonna play Warhammer and no girl will want to be in the same room as you. Be careful my friend

[Anonymous No.19534231]

>>19534041
I'm trying to read the history of the entire world from the Roman Empire to our days

Of course it cannot be too specific as it would probably cause me to lose my mind. Started 2 years ago, currently at the Battle of Orleans(1429). I think I need a break from it and I will read some Tolkien

[Anonymous No.19534238]

>>19534231
https://global.oup.com/academic/content/series/n/new-oxford-world-history-nowh/?cc=us&lang=en&prevNumResPerPage=20&prevSortField=1&sortField=7&resultsPerPage=20&start=0

you can find all of those for free online. good luck have fun

[Anonymous No.19534255]

>>19533727
The One Ring is probably the Seal of Muhammad.

> According to George Frederick Kunz, when Muhammad was about to send a letter to the Emperor Heraclius, he was told he needed a seal to be recognized as coming from him. Muhammad had a seal made of silver, with the words Muḥammad rasūl Allāh or "Muhammad the Apostle of God." The three words, on three lines, were on the ring, and Muhammad ordered that no duplicate was to be made. After his death, the ring came down to Uthman, who accidentally dropped the ring into the well of Aris. The well was so deep the bottom has never been found, and the ring remained lost. At that time a copy was made, but the loss of the original ring was assumed to be an indication of ill-fortune to come.[4][5][6]

> Uthman is said to have made a replica of the seal, and this seal was supposedly found in the capture of Baghdad (1534) and brought to Istanbul.[3]

The "Black Speech" of the Orcs is agglutinative, like Turkish.

You might say this is an anachronistic projection of our own time's preoccupation with the Middle East, but C S Lewis has a much more explicitly Middle-Eastern villain nation in Calormen.

[Anonymous No.19534960]

>>19534255
Interesting, never heard of this. Counterpoint though: The One Ring has more in common with Plato's Ring of Gyges. Namely the invisibility aspect.

[Anonymous No.19535053]

>>19534255
>The "Black Speech" of the Orcs is agglutinative, like Turkish.
Didn't Tolkien fight in the WW? Obviously the Ottoman Empire was an enemy then. Though the main belligerents were the Germanics of which there isn't a clear person that could represent it, much like the overarching the eye of the enemy. But Mordor is supported by the enemies from the east

[Anonymous No.19535327]

>>19534215
OP here. I guess I was more just wanting to have a conversation about it, but you know, that's how these threads roll. I am a Christian by the way, however interested in mythology.
>>19534231
That sounds based af my man. Make sure to share that information around as much as you can and make yourself look as pretentious as possible when you're done lol.
Good morning everyone, by the way.

[Anonymous No.19535374]

>>19534142
try /b/

[Anonymous No.19535387]

>>19533727
Read Tolkien then. He has extensive notes on Beowulf and other Old English remnants he translated. It's still Christian, but has lots of folklorist elements, which was what you're seeing. Trying to read LoTR as a pagan story is just plain wrong.

[Anonymous No.19535996]

>>19534037
lol

[Anonymous No.19536023]

bumping this thread

[Anonymous No.19536122]

>>19533727
I can only point you in the direction you'll find some answers. Much of Tolkien's background was in translating and compiling the Sagas and Eddas, there you'll find much of it. Northern European folklore and works occurring during the interstice of chistianization such as Beowulf or the earliest Arthurian legends often contrast the old world with the new, >>19535387 is half right in that the stories aren't pagan but the christian context is over a thousand years old and deals with the interplay and transition more than the usual foibles. Bombadil is the last of the old guard, another waning force.

[Anonymous No.19536492]

>>19533727
Like others have said, read Tolkien's influences. Which are, regarding "paganism", Beowulf, the Eddas, the Kalevala, Homer, Aeneid, Arthurian myths, Celtic fairy stories. Probably a lot more that I'm forgetting.