/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19513039]

How does Death on Credit and his later books like Exile trilogy compare to Journey to the End of the Night?

[Anonymous No.19513088]

>Journey to the End of the Night
His only normie-friendly book with shallow critiques of colonialism, capitalism, and so forth.

>Death on Credit
Overlong rambling nonsense about his childhood

>Pamphlets
Deranged ramblings of an infected mind even if he was correct on somethings

>Exile Trilogy
Stylistically unique compared to the rest, the peak of his style. Still juvenile.

If you like Journey for the shallow critiques and the story then you will like no other Celine. If you think his style is interesting and want to see him develop it over years then they are all worth reading. Most people are the former, I am the latter, even though I find him repulsive and childish.

[Anonymous No.19513867]

>>19513088
What if I like him because I think he's funny?

[Anonymous No.19514057]

>>19513088
>infected mind
reminder that Jews have higher rates of mental illness due to inbreeding

[Anonymous No.19514070]

>>19513039
Is it advisable to read the Trilogy in chronological order?

[Anonymous No.19514144]

>>19513039
Do I spend the $200?

[Anonymous No.19514179]

>>19513088
why someone so humorless would even persist in reading that much of his work is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.19514487]

>>19513867
I don't find him that funny, mostly.

>>19514057
I know all about the Jews, don't even.

>>19514179
Oh don't even, all the leftists who love Journey and have convinced themselves it is a leftist novel are much worse than someone like me.

[Anonymous No.19514539]

>>19514487
https://youtu.be/LatorN4P9aA

[Anonymous No.19514568]

>>19514487
*spreads ass and farts in your face*

[Anonymous No.19514606]

>>19513039
I've only read Journey and had mixed feelings about it but the Céline enthusiasts I know say Death on the Installment Plan is his crowning achievement.

[Anonymous No.19514610]

>>19514568
Celine fanboys don't even read him they just like his persona. He's probably better in the original French, but still.

[Anonymous No.19514633]

>>19513088
>>19514487
>>19514610
Another Dumontfag masterclass!

[Anonymous No.19514679]

>>19514633
This is /lit/ transsexual hour is elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.19514689]

>>19514070
It's advisable to read everything he wrote in chronological order. I didn't do this and his first 2 are by far his longest. Some of his later ones are less than 100 pages. I haven't read all of him though.

[Anonymous No.19514697]

Of what I've read
Castle to Castle > Journey > Death on Credit

[Anonymous No.19514714]

>>19514697
The thing about Celine is he doesn't write literature, he just jots down his musings. If he was alive today he'd be some vlogger/blogger with a patreon, which is essentially what his books are before that exists. You just pick them up whenever you want, and will always be amused and feel a bit better, aside from Journey which was his attempt at serious literature, and that's okay. He's far-better than Bukowski and mostly a fun figure, even in his pamplets.

[Anonymous No.19514725]

>>19514714
I agree -- within reason.

[Anonymous No.19514730]

>>19514725
Well I read him translated, in French he may be different, so I shouldn't speak like too much of an expert here.

[Anonymous No.19515581]

>>19513088
Thanks, never gonna read his books

[Anonymous No.19515640]

>>19513039
Does anyone know which pamphlets are in this particular print? I have pdf’s but a hard copy would be preferable

[Anonymous No.19515660]

>>19515640
I'm pretty sure Trifles was on Amazon.

>>19515581
Don't blame you

[Anonymous No.19516343]

>>19514144
Yes

[Anonymous No.19516362]

>>19514487
>muh leftists
chill my man

[Anonymous No.19516385]

>>19513088
>Deranged ramblings of an infected mind even if he was correct on somethings
wrong, bagatelels for a massacre is probably is best work

[Anonymous No.19516621]

>>19513088
what ever you do op, ignore this totally clueless moron.

[Anonymous No.19516623]

>>19513088
>repulsive
I think that people who use this word, should stay away from literature. grow up.

[Anonymous No.19516739]

>>19513039
Death on Credit is a masterpiece and extremely touching. Guignol's Band and London Bridge are good but the latter is too long. His exile trilogy has moments of mastery but also some slightly boring parts and lacks the emotional centre of DoC, still the books are great and well worth reading. His pamphlets are funny but have clouded the discussion about Celine too much. Still recommended reading. I haven't read Professor Y. Overall one of the best 20th century writers and it's a great shame most people only read Journey and stop there.

[Anonymous No.19517108]

>>19516621
How am I clueless? What Celine have you even read

>>19516385
It is a nihilist screeching about how jews have infected every aspect of society, how Christians are all Jews, and how globalism, communism, and progressivism are all Jews. This is stuff I already know and do not think Darwinism or Violent nihilism is the way to respond, plus it goes on for 250 pages in a style I don’t find that literary. Castle to castle is his best work I’ve read. There’s nothing in Celine that will make you truly think about life, it’s just some old man who isn’t that well-read yelling for 300-500 pages. He’s fun to read, sure.

[Anonymous No.19517742]

>>19515640
What’s the scoop with these pamphlet pressings? Are they bootlegs?

[Anonymous No.19517979]

>>19517742
>Are they bootlegs?
Yes, and the same company is printing both the French language edition shown in that anon's post as well as the English translation of Bagatelles that's floating around. I have the latter and it feels very amateurish. I've seen some frogs comment that the French editions are badly edited and full of typos, but I can't say myself.

Given the relatively recent death of his widow and the stir around the discovery of a bunch of unpublished manuscripts a few months ago, maybe we'll see some new developments in the aborted attempt to "officially" reissue them from two or three years ago.

[Anonymous No.19518672]

>>19513088
>jew when the critique of white colonialism or capitalism isn't ham fisted enough

[Anonymous No.19518696]

>>19514144
For me, it's DELL CONTEMPORARY CLASSICS edition.

[Anonymous No.19518699]

>>19518672
It is ham-fisted and I don't even know what the critique is... That Celine was sad? Leftists and Jews love Journey to the End of the Night, so what are you getting at.

[Anonymous No.19518837]

>>19518699
Retarded /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.19518886]

>>19518837
Am I /pol/ or am I a Jew? Make up your mind. Neither of which explain why it's good.

[Anonymous No.19519982]

>>19518886
Both

[Anonymous No.19520293]

I haven't read Celine in French so I can't comment to that, but what I think a lot of writers who were really fired by him, Philip Roth, Henry Miller, Kerouac and Burroughs, and myself included, what these guys got excited by, was the force of his personality, the persecution, the health problems so on, but maybe more importantly how he 'let's it rip', how he sort of starts in anywhere and just GOES, narrating things as if they were appearing before his eyes again, writing about poor people, sad people, the use of abrupt transitions, the flights of fancy, the idiosyncratic punctuation, and of course a riotious sense of humor (the hotel scenes in North ...)
None of his books have the 'even' quality that you usually find in art. There are long sections in basically every book that are boring or nonsensical, overhysterical ... but perhaps that too is part of the charm, the blurb that is attached to many of the books I have is 'Celine walks into great literature like most men walk into their living room.'

[Anonymous No.19520321]

>>19520293
I agree with all except this

>Celine walks into great literature like most men walk into their living room
I don't think any of it could be considered great literature at least in English translation.

[Anonymous No.19520371]

>>19520321
Personally I agree with you. He just doesn't have that kind of 'transcendence' that great authors have. But reading him definitely opens doors. Reading a truly great author, Dostoevsky, Proust ... that shit wants to make you quit, give up the ghost, if you have literary aspirations.

[Anonymous No.19520605]

>>19520371
Celine dabs on Proust.

[Anonymous No.19520810]

>>19520371
Dostoevsky is devoid of any charm and style, essentially worthless as a fiction author

[Anonymous No.19520853]

>>19513039
Celine is the best.

[Anonymous No.19520875]

>>19520371
Well-put, there's nothing in Celine that wows me on a technical level or makes me stop and contemplate existence.

[Anonymous No.19520905]

>>19520875
Style > substance

[Anonymous No.19520978]

>>19520905
I mostly agree and I'm only judging the English Translations of Celine and Dostoevsky, as it is hard to accurately gauge the impact not in the original.

MP Shiel does mania better than Celine, is more well-read, and has a more unique villain persona, plus he originally wrote in English, so I'm not sure why he's unheard of.

Stoker is also better too, Celine just writes about his life in an odd-way that delves just into essentially bullet points in his later works.

[Anonymous No.19521029]

>>19520978
What do you recommend from Sheil that Celine fans might enjoy? T8DM5

[Anonymous No.19521144]

>>19521029
Science, Life, and Literature.

[Anonymous No.19521241]

>>19514144
>$200 dollars on a translation
You stupid nigger, just buy the Dalkey Archive paperback. Yes you're a nigger because you "bling out" on books in the same way niggers "bling out" on rims and spinners.

[Anonymous No.19522532]

>>19513088
Christ

[Anonymous No.19522554]

>>19521144
But are there wild orgies, incessant pants shitting, vomit showers, child prostitution? Normally I don’t care for these crass topics, they’re often done for shock, but with Celine I never get that impression, it’s all very nonchalant, and hilarious.

[Anonymous No.19523769]

Bump

[Anonymous No.19524077]

Take the superior Bloy pill instead.

[Anonymous No.19525332]

>>19513039
Exile is the best of 20th century