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CM !.JTM0fbwsM Thu Jul 21 18:07:55 2011 No.1946855 [Reply] [Original]

Hi /lit/,

I am a 23 yo male and I used to isolate myself from the real world in my abstract world (I am a mathematician) until a couple of months ago when my people revolted! I am now greatly interested in political activism but lack any form of theoretical political background, and hence do not have any ideology of my own.

So my question is two-fold: how can I start learning what I need to learn and how can I decide how I participate in the revolution?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:09:55 2011 No.1946861 Someone banned the Hence 72 thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:22:55 2011 No.1946896 Read Mikhail Bakunin and Emma Goldman. Godspeed.

>>	CM !.JTM0fbwsM Thu Jul 21 18:22:55 2011 No.1946897 >>1946861 What is that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:26:55 2011 No.1946911 The Rebel by Albert Camus

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:31:55 2011 No.1946921 situationists

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:32:55 2011 No.1946927

Do you have any political opinions at all? And what's "your people?" That might be able to point us in a useful direction.
I'm guessing you're probably from the Middle East though, which means pan-Arab socialism might hold some appeal. Look up Gamal Nasser and his writings, or Kamal Jumblatt.
However, pan-Arabism and its socialist branch has somewhat died out. Third Worldism is another good option, one that's still alive.

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:41:55 2011 No.1946951

1) read up on economics
2) read up on collectivism and individualism
3) read up on civil liberties
4) see if any religions hold any bearing on your political views

see:
anarchism (including anarcho-syndicalism, anarchist communism, anarcho-collectivism, anarcho-primitivism, individualist anarchism, Emma Goldman, Mikhail Bakunin, Proudhon, CNT-FAI/Anarchist Catalonia, mutualism, Murray Bookchin)
liberalism (Adam Smith, liberal economics, theories on economic development)
fascism (Giovanni Gentile, Italian Fascism, National Socialism, corporatism)
communism (Luxemburgism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, council communism, Karl Marx)
socialism (democratic socialism, Bundism, social democracy, guild socialism)
Keynesian economics
libertarianism (anarcho-capitalism, minarchism)
conservatism (William F. Buckley, Jr., William Kristol, anti-communism)
feminism (liberal feminism, difference feminism, post-feminism)
monarchism
deep ecology

if you want terms, those are some starting places

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 18:44:55 2011 No.1946962

Principles of Economics by Mankiw
A Theory of Justice by Rawls
Escape From Leviathan by Lester
The Myth of the Rational Voter by Caplan
Capitalism and Freedom by Friedman
Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky
An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals by Hume
Practical Ethics by Singer
The Social Contract by Rousseau
Power and Plenty: Trade, War, and the World Economy in the Second Millennium by Findlay
What Is Property? by Proudhon

Should get you started.

CM !.JTM0fbwsM Thu Jul 21 18:57:55 2011 No.1946994

>>1946927
I do have a leftist libertarian inclination and anarcho-syndicalism does appeal to me because it is mathematically efficient and it maximizes the happiness of the people. However, I do not know what has to be done given a situation.

Pan-Arabism and the ideology of Nasser and the like is definitely incompatible with my philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:12:55 2011 No.1947043 File: 90 KB, 589x375, trollface_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it is mathematically efficient and it maximizes the happiness of the people 3/10

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:16:55 2011 No.1947055 Read some Marx. Capital volume one is a good place to start.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:20:55 2011 No.1947066 Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky. Then everything else by Chomsky.

>>	CM !.JTM0fbwsM Thu Jul 21 19:27:55 2011 No.1947085 >>1947066 >>1947055 I see, do you also know of works which are more practical in nature?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:30:55 2011 No.1947092 >>1946855 milestones, by sayid qutb

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:36:55 2011 No.1947100 >>1947085 Practical? If you want a practical break down of Capitalism and how it works you need to read Capital.

>>	CM !.JTM0fbwsM Thu Jul 21 19:49:55 2011 No.1947123 >>1947100 I meant practical as in how to react to the current situation and direct things towards my envisioned society ...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:51:55 2011 No.1947124 >>1947123 You don't need books for that. Just some weapons and a few loyal followers.

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 19:54:55 2011 No.1947128

>>1947123
Just read a few manuals on guerrilla warfare and you're good to go. Your original post suggested that you need some help with reaching a view of an "envisioned society", though...

In fact I'm gonna suggest that any conclusions you reach from political philosophy and political economy, while logically sound, will be completely out of reach in practice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 20:00:55 2011 No.1947142 >>1947128 If you want books on guerrilla war, I'd suggest Che's and The Green Book (from the IRA) is a good, oft overlooked one.

>>	CM !.JTM0fbwsM Thu Jul 21 20:36:55 2011 No.1947236 >>1947142 That covers the military part, what about the political part?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 20:51:55 2011 No.1947276 >>1947236 Obviously if you feel the military part is necessary, you have the political part covered bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 22:03:55 2011 No.1947540 Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell (It's about the Spanish civil war)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 00:50:55 2011 No.1947951 milestones is practical>>1947085 >>1947085 >>1947085

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 00:52:55 2011 No.1947953 Read Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/conquest/toc.html Wonderful read

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 01:01:55 2011 No.1947969

>>1947236

For the political part you should keep the basics in mind.

The whole reason the people are revolting is that the current systems in place for economics and government aren't meeting their needs. You should strive to create a system where there is well-being for all, and not a priveleged minority who happen to be wealthy.

I again recommend Conquest of Bread, because I feel it might be just what you're looking for.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 01:41:55 2011 No.1948051 mfw when op is a prof at the university of damascus that uses the philosophy recommended to him here to create the ideal society mfw is not attached because this will never happen

Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Fri Jul 22 01:52:55 2011 No.1948080
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>>1947123
>I meant practical as in how to react to the current situation and direct things towards my envisioned society ...

Saul Alinsky perhaps.

Think I'll look into getting this one

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:00:55 2011 No.1948104

OP I beg of you, do not go down the road of reading all of these abstract, out-dated works from Western culture--they can do nothing to you but harm...read the news, read all of the non-fiction books you can about your culture--its history, how it progressed..read analysis of the current process of debt and monetization--it may seem paradoxical but if you want political awareness the absolute last thing you want to read is the ideology and opinions of others..this is the 21st century--it is best if we fully move away from ideology, from the prescriptivist notions of a bygone era..reading these books will do nothing but make you feel like you're accomplishing something when you aren't...i haven't always felt this way, honestly--i've read i think every writer or book mentioned in this thread so far, but from reading these books, and then from practicing some revolutionary principles I have learned what little value there is in studying ideology..study reality and form your own ideology--act autonomously or within an affinity group--and as an aside, and this is just my opinion, develop a sense of spirituality and an ethical position that includes empathy--all of this will make you better prepared to act and live as a revolutionary than reading some academic wank from the west..oh, and read up on how to survive jail..if you want to be revolutionary--there is a VERY high chance of you being imprisoned..best of luck, OP

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:20:55 2011 No.1948131 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:25:55 2011 No.1948148 File: 25 KB, 400x400, what the fuck am I reading.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1948104 >Don't real books, OP! Read books that don't ask any challenging questions at all! Or just read the New York Times! Fuck yeah! Go Spongebob!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:29:55 2011 No.1948156 >>1948104 you fuckwit. if you think "current events" books aren't deeply ideological, you are a fucking idiot. everything is ideologically charged.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:31:55 2011 No.1948158

>>1948148
>implying I said don't read books
>implying i suggested the new york times is ''news''
>implying you aren't an armchair revolutionary that enjoys having someone else tell you what to believe
>implying any book ITT are relevant anymore
enjoy your highschool anarchy club

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:31:55 2011 No.1948159 >>1948156 in op's defense, almost all of Western philosophy is TOTALLY inapplicable to what's happening in the Arab Spring

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:35:55 2011 No.1948168 [DELETED]

>>1948159

>this is what the poster actually believes

>>1948158

I didn't imply that you said not to read books. I stated explicitly that you prescribed not reading REAL books. The books you are prescribing aren't real books; they are ideology at its purest.

If I'm an "armchair revolutionary," you enjoy being a damn tomfool. Smoking weed and avoiding actual intellectual labor isn't significant, kiddo.

>yfw Lenin retired to Switzerland to read Hegel's Science of Logic in 1916

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:35:55 2011 No.1948169 >>1948156 >Everything is ideologically charged Holy shit nigger how pretentious can you get.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:35:55 2011 No.1948167

>>1948156
Like I said ''current event'' books at any time..ofc people should develop discretion and critical fucking thinking..and they way to do this is certainly not by reading what the academic bourgeoisie of the last century though about what was going on in their times..you people are so offended because you think reading all of these ideological books actually means you've done something--it has not...if you think the people who wrote these books came to their conclusions, which you buy into so strongly, by reading the books of others you are wrong their too..Marx, for instance, did not study only the political books of the previous generations--he actually studied what was going on in his day, and he studied economics--he reached his own conclusions..this fucking postmodern tendency of deriving all thought from previous thought in a pastiche--and then defending it in a melodramatic, teenager indignity really makes me depressed. oh yes, the news is ideologically informed, so instead of reading that most certainly read pure ideology because that is somehow better. try thinking for yourself.

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Fri Jul 22 02:35:55 2011 No.1948166 File: 34 KB, 398x600, 1848 - Rapport.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1948159 Hardly! Everything has there differences, but much of it is very familiar

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:37:55 2011 No.1948172 File: 46 KB, 852x480, hammerhorror0ny8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1948168 >mfw Lenin retired to Switzerland to read Hegel's Science of Logic in 1916

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:37:55 2011 No.1948173

>>1948166
What a fallacy, this kind of thinking is the worst confirmation bias..people go looking for similarities in the past and they find it because that confirms what they thought in the first place..more anachronism and nominalism..the -isms from last century are ideologically bankrupt and no, even with the marginal similarities, they cannot begin to address the events of Arab spring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:39:55 2011 No.1948174 >>1948168 Lenin retired to Switzerland to read Hegel's Science of Logic in 1916? I guess that makes him a BIG HIPSTER ARMCHAIR FAGGOT

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:43:55 2011 No.1948178

>crickets in this thread as the stoned faggot who thinks that "dumb old books" are "stupid and shit" and the correct way to effect social change is via smoking weed and distributing crimethinc pamphlets struggles to formulate a response to the observation that Lenin retired to Switzerland in 1916 to read Hegel's Science of Logic

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:43:55 2011 No.1948181

>>1948168
Which books specifically are you talking about? So critically reading accounts of current events is ''pure ideology'' you give the OP no credit..as if he could never think for himself...oh, and I ''smoke weed and don't labour intellectually" do i? Son, i've probably read more of these intellectual relics than you're even aware of..i steeped myself in this kind of political and philosophic writing..and oh yeah, Lenin read Hegel sure..but he also Acted on what he did..and if you think Leninism was ''hegelian'' you are a fucking moron..Lenin practiced ''realpolitik'' This was the stunning revelation of the 20th century that you seem to have missed..how far off the professed power of ideology was from the actions of its advocates..if you think focusing on the actual events of today and steeping yourself in the culture which you are living in is less important than reading what some academic ruminated on a century ago you are confirmed for a bloated do-nothing...but yeah, you sure are revolutionary..reading all those great books..the funny thing is that you dont' have to read a single book to be a revolutionary..you just have to fight for what you need..it's people like you that have ruined every revolution..OP should read books that inform his personality of what's at stake..books that speak to his humanity...not essays on the ABC's of being a revolutionary..revolution has no instruction manual and it should not have one..the revolution must be written by the revolutionaries..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:44:55 2011 No.1948186 >>1948178 >ad hominem while i type a fatal blow to your idiotic statements...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:48:55 2011 No.1948190 Go to Youtube and look up Noam Chomsky lectures.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:48:55 2011 No.1948191

>>1948181

>it's people like you that have ruined every revolution
>it's the university professors sympathetic to my cause who ruined everything, not the capitalists/imperialists/etc.

>yawn

Enjoy Crimethinkin', kiddo.

Also, kudos for
>I'VE READ MORE BOOKS THAN YOU'VE EVEN HEARD OF

Enjoy affecting nothing.

"The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually slaves of some defunct economist."

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:50:55 2011 No.1948197 Smoke Weed.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:50:55 2011 No.1948198

>>1948174
Lenin wasn't the entire revolution--the revolution was 90 percent men who were fighting for their lives..most of them possibly illiterate..the fact is that this idea that a revolution needs some kind of ideological vanguard--a group of ''intellectual elite'' to guide it has been totally debased--because we have witnessed in history the result of this kind of thinking, the cult of personality--the deceit of dogma..you seem to think that if you read hegel, you too will lead the october revolution..if you ever make it out of highschool you'll know better..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:51:55 2011 No.1948205 >>1948191 >world is ruled by little else The world is ruled by realpolitik with a bunch of ideologues crowding eachother for crusts of bread that practitioners of realpolitik have left behind

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:51:55 2011 No.1948206 >>1948186 >he thinks an insult is an ad hominem Oh you.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:52:55 2011 No.1948209

>>1948191
Oh yes, I'm sure you're affecting so very much--and you've exhibited an impeccable knowledge of economic and political philosophy as well--oh wait, no you've just accused me of smoking weed..and, you know, at least crimethinc. can address what is going on today..but maybe if you had actually read anything you would know that this idea of the betrayal of ideologues and the academics is more informed by Gramsci than crimethinc...keep reading, though, i'm sure somehow reading those books will dismantle global capitalism.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:53:55 2011 No.1948213

>>1948209

>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today
>crimethinc. can address what is going on today

/thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:54:55 2011 No.1948217 >>1948206 >he thinks they are somehow mutually exclusive lol

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:55:55 2011 No.1948219

>>1948205

>uses the word "realpolitik" in that charmingly naive way that undergraduates who finally heard of Carl Schmitt like to do
>doesn't get that the world's best practitioners of "realpolitik" are always advancing some of the most ideologically charged agendas of all time
>"realpolitik" in service of... what exactly? name the telos that is not ideological, and I will tell you what ideology you are enslaved by

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:56:55 2011 No.1948220

>>1948213
You really have no argument..you've simply quoted what I said and think it is an argument..the fact is you are running scared..oh but i guess you really believe that bakunin had a time machine, and knows about today's drug enforcement laws, whereas crimethinc. doesn't have this distinct advantage..you will never be a fighter, because it is painfully clear you have nothing to fight for..you actually believe in ideology which is just so cute..you really think power works based on ''principles''...OP should read some Foucault so that he is not so blowfully retarded like you at least. There are some good books to read, but none suggested itt have been of very much use to the arab spring..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:56:55 2011 No.1948221 >>1948217 >He doesn't realise that an ad hominem argument is that which discredits an argument by attacking the character of the individual, while an insult is just an insult.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:58:55 2011 No.1948224

>>1948219
You obviously don't know what realpolitik is, because you think ''realpolitik'' must be in service of ''something''..haha..oh and they are ''the most ideological'' you say? care to give an actual example instead of some empty statement posing as fact? also
>2011
>believing in ideology

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 02:58:55 2011 No.1948227 >>1948221 >he believes they are somehow mutually exclusive

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:00:55 2011 No.1948229

>>1948219
>ad hominem
>implying practitioners of realpolitik don't simply adopt ideologies for their own gain
>implying one's own gain is not a valid reason to seek power

see: Egypt, Syria, Bahrain, Tunisia, Algeria, Democrats, Republicans, capitalists, etc

you are one dense shit

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:02:55 2011 No.1948233

>>1948224

If you think "realpolitik" is about the acquisition of power, then the necessary question becomes: the power to do what? Power over whom? Unless you wish to subscribe to some bizarre metaphysical schema in which "power" is a fundamental, value-neutral force, a structure that is free from all content. If so, good luck with that.

If you mean by "realpolitik" you mean "advancing one's own interests," then the question becomes: "what is the content of those interests?"

The answers to these questions will show you their ideological content and import.

As examples of "realpolitik" in action, you could cite figures as heterogeneous Lenin (particularly his war on Mensheviks), Stalin (particularly his war on Trotsky, Zinoviev, et. al.), Hitler (particularly in 38), Nixon and Kissinger, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:03:55 2011 No.1948238 File: 37 KB, 450x600, 1310914374222.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >revolution you mean where you replace the current tyranny with your own? fucking die.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:04:55 2011 No.1948241

>>1948229

>implying the maximization of "one's own gain" isn't EXTREMELY ideological

You moron. So-called "self-interest" (which boils down to utility, which boils down to money) is the most ideologically charged motivation you could cite in our culture. You fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:06:55 2011 No.1948244 >>1948241 self-preservation is an ideology? WELL I GUESS WE'RE ALL IDEOLOGUES THEN

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:07:55 2011 No.1948247

>>1948233
Power does not serve an ideology, not the ''content'' of their best interest either--the content of which may be that they are able to have sex with children..or it may be that they wish to live in wealth or simply to compel others to do what they wish..it is not ideological..it is psychological if anything..and in many cases it is libidinal...the fact that you don't understand this and yet you are vehemently defending political/ideological theory means you haven't even read very far into the theory..read some Deleuze and Guattari, for instance..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:08:55 2011 No.1948249 >>1948172 Governor Tarkin! I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:08:55 2011 No.1948251

>>1948244

>"one's own gain" = self-preservation
>gain = preservation
>gain
>GAIN
>PRESERVE

Go read a dictionary, fuckwit.

Additionally, you think "the self" is a self-evident thing? (Pun intended.)

Christ, you're a sad little fool. Maybe you should go and read some of those dumb old books you hold in such low regard. Might learn something.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:09:55 2011 No.1948253

>>1948241
Wanting to fuck children or have a huge yacht or to kill and eat people (like idi amin) is not ideology..you really are an idiot..you think the world operates with this logic, these principles..you are scared shitless that there is no such logic to it..that power is as base and libidinal as the act of a rapist...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:10:55 2011 No.1948256 >>1948247 >it is libidinal Oh, Christ, is this the sixties? Let's all get in bed with Lyotard, fuck our way into a new world, bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:10:55 2011 No.1948257 >>1948251 you don't seem to have read any of these books, or not very many..you don't even know of the synthesis of freud and marx which has altered the discourse on these ideas..you're obviously stuck on the most entry level bullshit..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:11:55 2011 No.1948260 >>1948251 what are you even talking about?

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:11:55 2011 No.1948263

>>1948253
>>1948247

>libidinal
>libidinal

So is that the outmoded theoretical catchphrase you always use to escape from the necessity of having to think deeply about these subjects, to escape from the humility of engaging at length with the tradition that shaped you, formed you, from which you desire to break?

If you do not struggle with that which formed you, you will always be its slave.

Stop being a dickhead, and go read some books. I'm going to sleep.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:11:55 2011 No.1948261

>>1948256
Is this the 60's? What have you been talking about, again? How books from hundreds of years ago still apply today but books from 50 years don't I guess? what a fucking idiot--you probably just don't know what the word ''libidinal'' entails, since you can't even refute the idea..just ask stupid rhetorical questions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:12:55 2011 No.1948268 >>1948251 self preservation isn't a 'gain' fucktard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:13:55 2011 No.1948269 >>1948261 bitch please, the immense extended families of many an Arab dictator is proof enough that there's some libido involved here

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:13:55 2011 No.1948270 >>1948268 that's my point, you fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:14:55 2011 No.1948273 >>1948268 it's a gain compared to death, which is often the alternative in a (failed) revolution

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:15:55 2011 No.1948279 File: 44 KB, 446x400, girls-getty_1376498i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1948273 Just... stop. Stop trying to think before you hurt yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:15:55 2011 No.1948280 Desire to survive is an ideology? Holy shit /lit/ you're not meant to be this retarded.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:16:55 2011 No.1948286

>>1948263
I have read books..it's clear i've read a lot more than you..you haven't mentioned one book yet, and I've mentioned three..you are telling me i must ''honor tradition'' and that is just a laugh..i've used libidinal in a distinct context, and instead of thinking deeply about what it means and refuting it, you just make some idiotic rhetorical statement and accuse me of not thinking deeply..you should probably read more, I guess--maybe being more praxis based is the luxury i enjoy from having actually read a lot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:16:55 2011 No.1948287 >>1948270 fuck you, ill kill you! >>1948273 >>1948273 >>1948273 the assumption seems to be that death is a loss, which is basless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:16:55 2011 No.1948289 >>1948279 you have two choices: life or death. In realpolitik, which choice increases your power and influence?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:17:55 2011 No.1948292 >>1948289 realpolitik isnt real

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:17:55 2011 No.1948295 >>1948287 it doesn't matter whether death "is" a loss, only whether a person "thinks" it's a loss. People are not rational.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:18:55 2011 No.1948297 >>1948292 neither are ideologies

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:18:55 2011 No.1948299 >>1948286 "All possible books." I have now mentioned all possible books. Bow before my erudition, faggot worm. Squirm under the bootheel of my intellect! =) TOP THAT, ASSHOLE! Also: any-number-of-books-you-could-ever-refer-to-plus-one double pwned

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:18:55 2011 No.1948300 >>1948295 >>1948295 It isn't a loss.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:21:55 2011 No.1948309 >>1948300 Why not? See, I'm being civil. polite sage

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:21:55 2011 No.1948311 >>1948299 More childish comebacks? You didn't think I meant specific books? It must suck being autistic. If you weren't such a little prick, you might have learned something. your loss, really.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:22:55 2011 No.1948314 >>1948311 why you so mad? i know why. you so mad because anything you could ever say plus one, that's way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:22:55 2011 No.1948315 Doubt the OP is still here but 420 read Hannah Arendt errday laters yall

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:23:55 2011 No.1948317 >>1948309 because i said so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 03:25:55 2011 No.1948322 >>1948317 well fuck, everybody go home

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