/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19466187]

Whatever happened with Gnosticism threads? I remember that there were some comfy discussions here not so long ago, and all of a sudden they ceased. What gives? Did the Christians here finally killed the Gnostic anons?

[Anonymous No.19466220]

>This is who tells you to repent on 4chan

[Anonymous No.19466274]

silence claimed them

[Anonymous No.19466309]

>when actaeon caught a glimpse of the bathing goddess, he also lost the ability of speech

[Anonymous No.19466325]

>>19466187
Jannies prune them mercilessly

[Anonymous No.19466489]

Look at this hylic who hasn't proven himself worthy of entering the hidden threads and gaining higher knowledge.

[Anonymous No.19466508]

>>19466187
The tradcath coomer zoomer doomers bullied them off of /lit/ and onto /x/

[N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD No.19466577]

>>19466187

I like to think that after tripheroes sweapt the land the Zoomers who had been arriving to this board over the last three years have finally come to terms with the fact that Christian gnosticism is a heroical theological modality which is integral to true Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.19466614]

Gnostics cherish their privacy. They'll come down from the mountain again in due time.

[Anonymous No.19466625]

I started sperging out at every single one of their threads and gradually wore them down

[Anonymous No.19466632]

>>19466625
based

[N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD No.19466682]

>>19466577
>...[swept]...

[Anonymous No.19466693]

they harnessed enough spiritual energy to be accepted to the hidden college where they continue to study ancient ways of asymmetrical shitposting and ontological memecraft

[Anonymous No.19466774]

>you believe a magical god created the world? lol you and your silly beliefs
>it was actually created by a magical demiurge

[Anonymous No.19466829]

>>19466489
>hylic

[Anonymous No.19466851]

They get deleted all the time. Mods want them on /x/. Yet then they allow a million fucking Evola and Guenon threads which are even lighter on content and more /x/, just /x/ for the conservative incel crowd.

[Anonymous No.19466854]

>>19466829
cope

[Anonymous No.19466881]

>>19466187
Gnosticfags don't seem to ever quite answer the question of whether their cosmology is essentially a dualism, ie a good god vs and evil God, or good forces vs evil forces, or whether it is somehow still monist and the demiurge is like Satan and subservient to Sophia or whatever.

[Anonymous No.19466908]

>>19466881
There are many beliefs that are put under the category of gnositc. In some, the demiurge is evil. In others, he is good, but just the creator and ruler of the imperfect material world rather than the ultimate power of the perfect spiritual world (e.g. Valentinianism).

[Anonymous No.19466911]

>>19466187
What are some good Gnostic books faggots?

[Anonymous No.19466923]

Didn't /x/ kill the demiurge a few years ago?

[Anonymous No.19466989]

I live in solitude and have been told I have gnostic views. Never bothered to look up what that means.

[Anonymous No.19467352]

>>19466187
God I hope so. Gnostics are annoying retards and the concept of the demiurge is pure psyop. It's the most horseshit origin story you could possibly come up with.

[Anonymous No.19467368]

In the "marketplace of ideas", Gnosticism is incredibly hard to maintain as relevant or true, because it is (rightly) BTFO as being a non-apostolic doctrine, based on pseudepigraphal fan-fictions, by both Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Atheist Scholars, and Church Historians. With all of that weight against the doctrine(s), the only way to remain gnostic is to be ignorant, or to disregard all scholarship.
t. ex-Gnostic

[Anonymous No.19467388]

>>19467368
can you tell some stories about yourself as a former gnostic? i'm interested in what made you start doubting.

[Anonymous No.19467389]

>>19466923
>and things have got worse since
gnostics btfo

[Anonymous No.19467403]

>>19467368
clown

>>19467352
>t. recommends culture of critique to everyone he knows

>>19466881
>are gnostics dualists? gnosticism btfo

real american fucking posting hours

[Anonymous No.19467418]

>>19467403
I didn't say btfo I said they never explain whether they are. I notice your post is essentially worthless so it's a bit ridiculous of you to criticize "americans"

[Anonymous No.19467423]

>>19467418
I think the gnostics explained themselves, senpai. Maybe you should just read a book and shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.19467435]

>>19467403
market place of ideas bro jus get on with the times man

[Anonymous No.19467437]

>>19467423
Another utterly worthless post. It's always the people who have nothing to contribute who make these shitposts attacking everyone else, it's obvious projection.

[Anonymous No.19467445]

>>19467437
>a-are gnostics dualists? th-they never make this clear

lol. you're a clown my man

[Anonymous No.19467458]

>>19467445
You are totally incapable of actually making any coherent statement yourself on whether your view of gnosticism is dualist. You will continue to post worthless nonsense instead of even attempting to say anything meaningful.

[Anonymous No.19467469]

>>19467388
Sure. I was heavily interested in reconciling the doctrines of Christianity with various new-age styles of thinking, like Chaos Magick, neo-Hermeticism, Kaballah, Buddhism, and Ashtanga Yoga (as discussed by Patanjali in the Yoga Sutras). I thought that the kind of Christianity which most accurately mapped on to the system I was attempting to build was Gnosticism, which also had the somewhat Eastern idea of the material world as something evil one must escape from, as we are trapped here. Also, the large variation in Gnostic conceptions of Christ, including the anti-Nicene and docetic views as either not being the highest God incarnate, or being the highest God come in the world but not as flesh, lends itself well to creating a "cafeteria Christianity", where Jesus is essentially whoever you want Him to be. Thus, it blends very easily with theosophic/new-age conceptions of things like "ascended masters", who come to this world to set its inhabitants free from the snares of the Lord of the World, aka Mara, Satan, or the Demiurge. Now, it was doing research into the epistemological bases for these doctrines that led me to eventually reject all magick (even so-called "theurgy") as essentially a Satanic inversion of hierarchy, where one seeks to make ones will be done THROUGH the power of God, rather than having the power of God be done THROUGH you through self-emptying and kenosis, abandoning one's will.

Without making this key distinction, which completely demolishes the semi-Pelagian questline of "waking one's self up" through remembrance of our purpose, like in the Hymn of the Pearl, "gnostics" will remain forever enchained to the material realm they claim to be trying to transcend - which is why the vast majority of "gnostics" waste their time typing up insults and making memes, on their material computers, to send to "hylics", instead of actually retreating into the forest to escape from this world like they say they want to. It's easy to pretend to be a gnostic, as it doesn't require much, and I think that is one of the main reasons why it is having such a resurgence (along with the intrinsically prideful appeal of "hidden" doctrines that others don't know/understand).

[Anonymous No.19467495]

>>19467458
a guy who thinks the gnostics were ambivalent about dualism deserves nothing but shitposts

>>19467469
>gnostics don't renounce the will
lol. how does it feel to know you got filtered by something you spent years studying? what do you think the ascent through the archontic heavens is supposed to be? a process of renunciation, right? you didn't have the discernment. the truth hurts

[Anonymous No.19467506]

>>19467495
As I said: totally incapable, you will not post anything of value itt

[Anonymous No.19467512]

>>19467495
>>gnostics don't renounce the will
If you renounced your will, why are you wasting time posting to hylics on a material box you call a computer, doing exactly what the demiurge wants? Why are there never stories of other gnostics who have retired to the forests and deserts to achieve enlightenment? Because your philosophy is essentially new-age larping. One day, you will probably get over it.

[Anonymous No.19467518]

>>19467506
>uuuuh, I'm not sure if gnostics were dualists, guys, and they weren't either

[Anonymous No.19467525]

>>19467518
You could already have easily explained your view on the matter, you haven't because you have nothing to say. You will just keep shitposting, ironically behaving a lot like an "archon", instilling nothing but negativity and hostility

[Anonymous No.19467532]

>>19467512
years studying gnosticism and the best you can come up with is "i-if you're so smart why aren't you rich?" like I said, not an ounce of discernment in you. stick with your orthobro larp or whatever CIA sieve is supposed to catch minnows like you in 2022

[Anonymous No.19467535]

>>19467437
oblivious pro-jest'ion. or rather digestion as in
>digest this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJqGOLcNdo
based? redpilled?
>>19467469
IO Way (formerly oy)
>>19467506
true gift shout be valueless. else it is marketing. oh no, no, no — do not be seduced: NO SHITTING NOVEMBER.

[Anonymous No.19467538]

>>19467525
>archons are telling me to read books on a literature board guys!
suck it up you fucking pussy

[Anonymous No.19467545]

>>19467538
You think saying "read books" is a valuable contribution? Literally on the level of readmarxbros

You obviously have zero intention of posting anything constructive, likely because you are just incapable of doing so

[Anonymous No.19467551]

>>19467532
>"i-if you're so smart why aren't you rich?
What? I'm just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy in your wasting your time shitposting in a material reality that you believe is literally designed by the Demiurge to keep you wasting your time within it, instead of acting on what you claim to believe and actually practicing what you preach. Again, I have sympathy for you, because I was where you are. One day, hopefully, you will realize that there is a reason you are not acting on your beliefs. Maybe tomorrow, if you try super hard, you can earn your salvation. Somehow, I doubt it, though - because the Gnostic position is completely flawed, and based on fan-fiction.

[Anonymous No.19467556]

>>19467545
I'm gonna drop the meme persona and level with you like a human being: the people who were murdered for these beliefs probably gave them a lot more thought than you think, you kinda need to if you're in a position to threaten world power in the first place. The gnostics were unequivocal dualists. There is evil, and there is good, and we have to do everything in our power to escape evil. End of story.

[Anonymous No.19467561]

>>19467556
You realize there are multiple views of this right?

>Gnostic systems postulate a dualism between God and the world,[56] varying from the "radical dualist" systems of Manichaeism to the "mitigated dualism" of classic gnostic movements. Radical dualism, or absolute dualism, posits two co-equal divine forces, while in mitigated dualism one of the two principles is in some way inferior to the other. In qualified monism the second entity may be divine or semi-divine. Valentinian Gnosticism is a form of monism, expressed in terms previously used in a dualistic manner.[57]

[Anonymous No.19467564]

>>19467551
Lol the Manichaean universe was constructed by divine spirits, the Valentinian universe was constructed by a kindly but dim Demiurge cooperating directly with Sophia, you don't have even a Montalk-tier grasp of these doctrines, stop shitting up this thread

[Anonymous No.19467568]

>>19467561
I don't count Valentinianism as true Gnosticism

[Anonymous No.19467578]

>>19467564
Alright man, keep reading the Nag Hammadi codex, containing "scriptures" that the vast majority of scholars, atheist and Christian, agrees are pseudepigraphal fan-fictions, and maybe one day you can reach salvation if you try super hard and use all of your willpower. I hope one day you realize the absurdity of all of this, because obviously you are quite early in your journey of spiritual development, just like I was when I believed this nonsense. God bless you, I'll pray for you.

[Anonymous No.19467593]

>>19467578
I couldn't care less.

[Anonymous No.19467595]

>>19467568
Ok but you see that my question about dualism not stupid, it is a genuine issue in gnosticism and you haven't even specified yourself which you believe, is it the coequal forces of good and bad?

[Anonymous No.19467602]

>>19467593
Neither did I. God bless you, friend. May the Lord Jesus Christ smile down upon you, and may there be a chink in the armour of your heart, that the light of the divine Holy Spirit may illumine you within, and ignite His golden flame your heart. All love and peace and blessings to you, my beloved brother.

[Anonymous No.19467607]

>>19467595
It's only a question for those still struggling to extract the essence of gnosticism from its bastardized/Christianized offshoots, if you've experienced your own version of gnosis, it is no longer an issue.

I believe in objective good and evil, yes

[Anonymous No.19467613]

>>19467602
Don't come at me with that shit, we love the same God, but it was your "spiritual" ancestors who murdered mine, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.19467617]

>>19467551
>Again, I have sympathy for you, because I was where you are.
it is self-humiliating to say such ignoble things.
>because the Gnostic position is completely flawed, and based on fan-fiction.
*enthusiast-fiction.
either way, the very heart of the matter is that one group (unity) cannot accept other's group (segregation) auto-referential claims of identity so it will always try to project and own/break mirrors. true difference is asymmetrical. very short: ontological left is about an enforcement of a collective identity; right — of the singular identity. which is the difference between Abraham(t/ism) and Adam.
>>19467578
>vast majority of scholars,
an illustration.
the program is to find ways to clean the air and conceptually describe what is seen. without emotionality and reactive strife.

[Anonymous No.19467619]

>>19467607
But are the objective good and evil of equal power?

[Anonymous No.19467630]

>>19467619
I don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of it. I'll say: each is a positive force, each is an essence.

[Anonymous No.19467635]

>>19467630
Why are you in the thread at all when you clearly dont want to discuss the subject? This is like pulling teeth

[Anonymous No.19467637]

>>19467613
Can you say "Amen" to what follows:
"We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord."
>>19467617
>it is self-humiliating to say such ignoble things.
The truth is never humiliating, it will set one free. Do you think it was easy for me to realize my position was untenable, and leave it, after investing so much time into it?
>*enthusiast-fiction.
At least we both agree that it is fiction foreign to the apostles.
>the very heart of the matter is that one group (unity) cannot accept other's group (segregation) auto-referential claims of identity
Because the Lord called us to be unified as one flock, not break ourselves into several flocks which hold to different creeds. Have you not heard that "rivalries, divisions, factions" are acts of the flesh, and not of God?

[Anonymous No.19467650]

>>19467635
I am discussing, but my patience wears thin fast these days.

>>19467637
I don't believe in your triune God, I believe in the wellspring of what makes me love, in a goodness that is known in the world but that is not of it

[Anonymous No.19467656]

>>19467650
You have patience to post a bunch of insults at everyone but not to discuss the subject you ostensibly care about. Whatever fuck this

[Anonymous No.19467666]

>>19467656
I don't owe you a live demonstration of my system. My function is only to point how inadequate your understanding really is

[Anonymous No.19467682]

>>19467650
>I don't believe in your triune God, I believe in the wellspring of what makes me love
If you do not believe in the God preached by Jesus Christ and His apostles, we do not worship the same God. Which, again, is why I will pray for you. My brother, I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I examined your object of worship, I even saw your altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore what you worship as something unknown, I now proclaim to you: There is shown forth One God, the Father, not made, invisible, creator of all things; above whom there is no other God, and after whom there is no other God. And, since God is rational, therefore by (the) Word He created the things that were made; and God is Spirit, and by (the) Spirit He adorned all things: as also the prophet says: By the word of the Lord were the heavens established, and by his spirit all their power. Since then the Word establishes, that is to say, gives body and grants the reality of being, and the Spirit gives order and form to the diversity of the powers; rightly and fittingly is the Word called the Son, and the Spirit the Wisdom of God. Well also does Paul His apostle say: One God, the Father, who is over all and through all and in its all. For over all is the Father; and through all is the Son, for through Him all things were made by the Father; and in us all is the Spirit, who cries Abba Father, and fashions man into the likeness of God. Now the Spirit shows forth the Word, and therefore the prophets announced the Son of God; and the Word utters the Spirit, and therefore is Himself the announcer of the prophets, and leads and draws man to the Father.

Therefore if it is the Spirit which guides men into all truth, why not ask the Lord to send you the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth? Because just like you, my anger and attachments prevented me from receiving the light. My heart was like a window, covered in dust, which could scarcely let in even a single ray of light. But when I opened my heart for the first time in trust and abandonment, and allowed God to show me who He is, and what He wanted me to do, I realized that like a sheep I had gone astray - I had turned to my own way. Please, open your heart like I did, let a single ray illumine you, and you will come into all truth, being led by the Divine Holy Spirit, Lord and giver of life.

[Anonymous No.19467683]

>>19467637
>The truth is never humiliating,
claims of holding the truth in the public sphere is pure cringe. it has that air of Jordan Petersen's americanism. and your condescending tone only makes it worse.
>Do you think it was easy for me to realize my position was untenable, and leave it, after investing so much time into it?
have you thought that that anon might be several cycles on a spiral beyond you and the apparent similarity 'i've been there' is very thin and illusory?
>>19467602
>At least we both agree that it is fiction foreign to the apostles.
fiction bad. 'vast majority of scholars' good. 'NOOO, you have no authority for any creative whatsoever. Allah wills it not. NOOO', excuse me to fall unto meme tism but I cannot help my self.
slight awareness routine: here we acknowledge differences and each party says 'woah, thank all that is Divine I'm not that guy' and proceed with its sneed.

[Anonymous No.19467688]

>>19466309
and then was ripped to death by his own animals
Wow, what an ideal to live up to!

[Anonymous No.19467691]

>>19467666
You don't owe anyone anything dumbass, most people post here because they're interested in discussing the topic, not in snidely insulting everyone who doesnt have the exact same view they have while barely explaining anything they believe

[Anonymous No.19467696]

>>19466187
Gnosticism is heresy and condemned by the Church. Repent unless you wish to burn in the lake of fire for all eternity.

[Anonymous No.19467697]

>>19466911
I still haven't started reading about Gnosticism since I have other books pending on my schedule right now, but from what I've wrote down by other anon's recommendations:

Primary Gnostic sources/texts:
>James M. Robinson's Nag Hammadi Library
>Pistis Sophia (don't know what edition)

Essential books on the subject:
>The Gnostic Religion by Jonas
>The Gnostics by Lacarriere
>Pre-Christian Gnosticism by Yamauchi
>A History of Gnosticism by Filoramo
>The Gnostic Scriptures by Layton
>Gnosis: The Nature and History of Gnosticism by Rudolph
>Rethinking 'Gnosticism' by Williams
>Gnosticism by Hoeller
>Gnostic Visions by Myers

You can find the full Nag Hammadi scriptures online here
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

[Anonymous No.19467699]

>>19467683
>claims of holding the truth in the public sphere is pure cringe.
It doesn't matter if you believe me or not - just like the apostles were "cringed" at by the Jews for their preaching, so too will I preach regardless.
>have you thought that that anon might be several cycles on a spiral beyond you and the apparent similarity 'i've been there' is very thin and illusory?
It cannot be the case, because there is but one Truth, and the Holy Spirit is what guides one there. Care to point me to a single example of a Gnostic who undoubtedly manifested the fruits of the Holy Spirit?
>fiction bad
I never said fiction is bad, but it is fiction. It is foreign to the apostles, and I follow Jesus Christ and the teachings which He and His Holy Spirit gave to the apostles. If you don't, that's on you.

[Anonymous No.19467701]

>>19467697
I've written down*

[Anonymous No.19467706]

>>19467682
My anger is not an obstacle to realization, it is a goad. Your religion pacifies you. Mine doesn't, at least in my heart. That you are not angry tells me everything.

>>19467683
Or just listen to this guy.

[Anonymous No.19467714]

They dwell on /x/ these days, although the amount of schizophrenia and christcuckery has increased dramatically.

[Anonymous No.19467721]

>>19467706
>Your religion pacifies you. Mine doesn't, at least in my heart. That you are not angry tells me everything.
Exactly. "Hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions [...] I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit."

[Anonymous No.19467724]

>>19467691
My function is to gesture at zones that only come with long study. I detest the zoomie antechamber with its lemmings sipping dollar store coffee shitting on shit they've never read, I can't think of anything more MALIGNANTLY USELESS, excuse the Ligottism.

[Anonymous No.19467728]

>>19467721
I hate because I love. You're not capable of love or hate, that is why you're an invertebrate.

[Anonymous No.19467730]

>>19467469
thanks for the effortpost, anon.
>>19467556
>I'm gonna drop the meme persona and level with you like a human being
You need to drop the "meme persona" entirely, and never put it back on. Just be genuine. There shouldn't have to be any "leveling" with someone.

[Anonymous No.19467735]

>>19467730
sometimes the only way to talk to cucks who have fused with their masks is to wear your own

[Anonymous No.19467737]

>>19467699
>It doesn't matter if you believe me or not - just like the apostles were "cringed" at by the Jews for their preaching, so too will I preach regardless.
cool appeal to authority. first 'vast majority of scholars' now 'apostles'. you are demonstrating struggle for power and not ethics of generosity and love.
>It cannot be the case, because there is but one Truth, and the Holy Spirit is what guides one there.
'only one Truth and it is mine' ok, bro.
>It is foreign to the apostles, and I follow Jesus Christ
you follow what you understand as Jesus Christ. even if it was revealed to you personally. Jesus Christ is the quintessence perfecting any regional ontology making it eternal and perfect. i.e., your Christ is not my Christ. He separates, He teaches discernment.

[Anonymous No.19467753]

>>19467728
>I hate because I love
You still don't understand? "Whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes".
>>19467737
>first 'vast majority of scholars' now 'apostles'
I already started by making it clear that the essential narrative of all forms of Gnosticism is debunked by both secular scholars, and all Christians whose doctrine hails from the apostles. See: >>19467368
>'only one Truth and it is mine' ok, bro.
No, the truth is God, and it was revealed by the Holy Spirit to the apostles. If you have a different truth than the apostles, then you are wrong, not them.
>you follow what you understand as Jesus Christ. even if it was revealed to you personally
I follow what the disciples of Jesus Christ spoke about Him. Whose understanding of Christ do you follow, besides men who did not know Him?
>i.e., your Christ is not my Christ.
I know that already. That is why I am spending my time speaking in the dark.

[Anonymous No.19467759]

>>19467753
Yes, yes, I've heard it all, the eye that sees evil is itself the source of that evil, blah blah blah, you're the type to watch Taxi Driver and walk away shaking your head at Travis. I'm pretty sure I'm responding to a bot at this point.

[Anonymous No.19467775]

>>19467759
Call me a bot, call me a hylic, call me whatever you want. All I ask is that you prayerfully call upon the true God as He is, and ask Him to lead you into all truth, and purify you from within. If you are confident that you follow the true God, then there should be no problem with earnestly and humbly asking Him to guide you, even if you are afraid of where it might lead. God bless you, and all peace and blessings to you, brother. Thanks for a great discussion.

[Anonymous No.19467789]

>>19467775
I've seen and spoken to my God. He is a General. I am at peace in my soul, he knows I have nothing to prove in a monastery, only in a crowd. There you have it. Do with that what you will.

[Anonymous No.19467803]

>>19467789
I'm not asking if you have seen and spoken to God. I am asking you to prayerfully call upon God to dwell within your heart, to ceaselessly ask Him to come and guide you, and to lead you into all truth. Anybody who stops trying to seek God cannot find Him, and catching a glimpse of Him does not mean He dwells within you. Please, ask Him to send His spirit upon you, to guide you into ALL truth, to never stop guiding you - and surrender your will to the true God, He who Is, and tell him to guide you to where you are afraid to go. I am confident that if you do so, and honestly desire to follow His will more than yours, nothing bad can come. Never stop seeking. Peace to you.

[Anonymous No.19467818]

>>19467735
No, you really don't have to do that. If you're convinced that you need to wear a mask in order to speak with someone you think is wearing one, then you're doing yourself a disservice. Have some self respect. You only need to act as you truly are. Eventually you will fuse with your mask, just as you perceive others as having fused with theirs. How many people have started to wear a mask just because others do? You should be able to see that once you start living with an acceptance of wearing one, then another gives in and does the same. Could be that you start talking to people who are wearing a mask, only waiting to find that one person who doesn't, and then they'd finally be able to have a true conversation with another human being. You should be that person who refuses to slip into a disingenuous persona no matter who you're talking to, no matter the circumstance.

[Anonymous No.19467825]

>>19467818
point taken

>>19467803
I have asked my God to dwell in my heart to smite evil. I am a poor vessel for it. Like asking a potato to conduct a lightning bolt. But I'll keep asking.

[Anonymous No.19467891]

>>19467825
>I am a poor vessel for it. Like asking a potato to conduct a lightning bolt. But I'll keep asking.
Aren't we all. God bless you and keep you on your pilgrimage, my brother.

[Anonymous No.19467973]

They got refuted retroactively by the fact that Plato in Timaeus cited the Demiurge as inherently good. Also Plotinus (pbuh) clapped back and demolished all the gnostics (specifically Valentinians some of whom he knew) in the name of his beloved teacher, the divine Plato.

Why don't you guys go become Buddhists? They're as inconsistent and wacky as gnostics, but I guess the problem is they're so retarded that they deny the soul to begin with. Or you could cope with the 'Buddha nature' bullshit they feed potential recruits as a lie to cover up from expositing the truth about their doctrine of anatman.

[Anonymous No.19467977]

>>19467818
I wasn't even wearing a mask, i just made a slightly rude post about Gnostics not being precise on their view of dualism, which HE LITERALLY CONFIRMED by not being precise in his view of dualism.

[Anonymous No.19467994]

>>19467977
>gnostics are one monolithic sect with one monolithic doctrine
this is why I mocked you

[Anonymous No.19468000]

>>19467994
You still refused to precisely explain your view on dualism, which was literally what I claim you guys do, proving me right.

[Anonymous No.19468045]

>>19467977
Then I'm confused. What was your reason for saying you were dropping the meme persona if there wasn't a meme persona to drop? You wouldn't consider that a mask?
Perhaps I'm just swinging at windmills.

[Anonymous No.19468081]

>>19466187
What is the demiurge?

[Anonymous No.19468083]

>>19468045
I'm not the guy you were responding to, I am the other guy.

[Anonymous No.19468086]

>>19468081
space and time

[Anonymous No.19468104]

>>19466187
They grew up.

[Anonymous No.19468147]

>>19466187
I don't know why, and I may not agree with Gnostics, however your threads are all more comfy than any Christian threads. I actually look forward to all of them more than a Christian thread.

[Anonymous No.19468248]

>>19468086
>>19468081
enframing, a mode of ordering of time/space. which means demiurge is as evil as it is foreign and mixed.
we can imagine demiurgic machine as set of negative/reactionary principles active in these threads; those emotions and trajectories that are all to familiar, sentiments that are automatic, etc. if a critical number of posters would upgrade personal awareness, the demiurgic spirit could be influenced and through that made useful in ordering of our eeh.. jouissance or 'whatever'.
>>19468147
>are all more comfy than any Christian threads
because they provide a smooth space for free spirits to be "without all the baggage of the first and last things". good humours attract good forms (formerly angels), so one can rejoice afar from the contaminated zeitgeist of greed and political thinking.

[Anonymous No.19468272]

>>19468248
this

[Anonymous No.19468427]

sneed it or keep it?

[Anonymous No.19469434]

[Anonymous No.19469492]

>why didn't this flavour of the month meme LARP last forever?????

[Anonymous No.19469499]

>>19467403
>gnostic shill randomly defending jews for no reason even though no one even mentioned jews

lmaoooooo really jogs your noggin, huh?

[Anonymous No.19470258]

>>19468248
I always saw the demiurge as entropy itself, chipping away at the imperfect material realm into the current shape and forms it takes now

[Anonymous No.19470291]

Was Eckhart gnostic?

[Anonymous No.19470741]

Reminder that Irenaeus killed all Gnostics like 1800 years ago.

[Anonymous No.19470759]

>>19467469
>Hymn of the Pearl
>Conception of Christ
>Lord of the World
I think you should do a little meditating. These are all just thoughts and imagination concepts you're coming up with.

[Anonymous No.19470764]

On second thought, everyone in this thread could do with a little meditation.

[Anonymous No.19470980]

>>19470759
>These are all just thoughts and imagination concepts you're coming up with.
No offense, but that is about the most meaningless statement I've heard all week. Do you not realize that your entire post is just "thoughts and imagination concepts" too?

[Anonymous No.19471159]

>>19466187
They were refuted.

[Anonymous No.19471229]

>>19470258
yes, a machine; thus no need to seed and feed it with resentful energy. it casts and formulates an episteme — to lift the spell you describe its operation bringing it to light.

[Anonymous No.19471329]

The notes are almost done.

[Anonymous No.19471419]

>>19471329
I see you.

[Anonymous No.19471490]

gospel of judas
gospel of thomas
gospel of mary
gospel of james (gnostic)

some fun gnostic apostasy that's worth a good read.

[Anonymous No.19471621]

>leave /lit/ for a while a few months ago after a two-year period of questioning extreme withdrawal from the world that left me feeling spiritually empty and tired
>circumstances make the pendulum swing in the complete opposite way for a while: get swept up in the illusion of the world, enjoy it greatly and almost lose myself in pursuits I'd have been disgusted at just a few months ago
>yesterday night, drink a bit too much and get hit by a wave of despair as I get home, hadn't felt that bad in a while
>wake up this morning and it's still there, I don't have to describe the specific feelings as I'm sure anons ITT know the kind of distress I'm talking about
>find myself thinking about Gnosticism even though I hadn't read a book or thought about philosophy since summer
>open /lit/ for the first time since August and see this thread
So, how do I proceed from there?

[Anonymous No.19471625]

>>19471621
kill the demiurge

[Anonymous No.19471632]

>>19471621
>drink too much
>spiritually empty
>wave of despair
>only anons ITT will understand
Have you tried Jesus on your terms rather than the church's terms?

[Anonymous No.19471645]

>>19471632
Back then I had tried everything, and ended up leaving this place with a bad taste in my mouth and my only certainty being uncertainty. Following this abandonment to apathy I engaged with the world but it didn't take long for my initial feelings about it to resurface. Now I feel like I'm at a crossroads where both paths lead nowhere.

[Anonymous No.19471659]

>>19471621
>formulate a vision
>struggle making it
>post itt
>???
>get rewarded by the Invisible College and learn the way to the next level alex jone style

[Anonymous No.19471718]

>>19466187
They were massive cringe and heretical cope. Fuck off back to /x/.

[Anonymous No.19471726]

>>19471621
Lacarriere's The Gnostics

[Anonymous No.19471746]

>>19471726
Oh, I read it. Back when I left this place I had read everything that's recommended in these threads, as well as all the other stuff that's recommended elsewhere (the traditionalists, the buddhists, the orthodox, the existentialists, you name it) and put their respective recommendations into practice for some time. The yearning and uncertainty remained, nothing seemed quite right.