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[Anonymous No.19450487]

Should something come after postmodernism?

[Anonymous No.19450506]

>>19450487
I mean something is?
I don't think it should be in terms of what came before. I think a religious revival would be best

[Anonymous No.19450513]

isms are for fags

[Anonymous No.19450532]

>should

[Anonymous No.19450786]

>>19450513
but I have autism...

[Anonymous No.19450801]

>>19450487
Yes. The grave.

[Anonymous No.19450893]

Surely there are only so many possible ways of treating the formal elements of a work. We have idealism, realism, naturalism, romanticism, modernism, postmodernism. The more we accumulate the less likely any approach can be found that doesn't fit an existing mold.

[Anonymous No.19450915]

postpostmodernism

[Anonymous No.19450923]

>>19450487
Postmodernism is not a real movement in its own right, and really just means post-ubiquitous-modernity. So the real question must be, ‘What will come after modernism?’ Which is, of course, nothing. We’ve reached the end of history and we will either tend to the garden of time for eternity or collapse back into the stone age, again for eternity.

[Anonymous No.19450928]

>>19450487
No. Everything has already been created. We are late to the party.

[Anonymous No.19450929]

>>19450487
Yes, and it's called metamodernism.

[Anonymous No.19450944]

I used to believe in this shit, but now I'm convinced it's fake. Boomers invented it, but likely in the fake way they invented anything: just to score prestige at the new, hip thing they knew about. All art that is considered postmodern be found in modernism or earlier movements.

[Anonymous No.19450952]

>>19450487
postmodernism is just rebranded satanism. A second renaissance should come after.

[Anonymous No.19450977]

Jesus

[Anonymous No.19451036]

>>19450923
>>19450928
The only correct answers here. The rest of a thread is an embarrassing pseudfest.

[Anonymous No.19451041]

>>19450786
fag

[Anonymous No.19451058]

>>19451036
One this is a continental practice it's not too bad tho.

One of the major themes of these is how conflict is described (e.g. man vs nature, king vs religion/pope/salvation etc). We have had huge man vs nature moments in multiple eras but we don't face that anymore (unless we could somehow go and live in the 4th/5th dimension for example). In this saying modernism, where truth is relative to the state etc (allowing some relativity art movements etc) is the end is a pretty pathetic way to interpret humanity.

[Anonymous No.19451131]

>>19450487
>>19450893
So maybe we can reach a point where all topics have been addressed in all formats?

[Anonymous No.19451191]

>>19450487
No, we've reached the end of the story arc unfortunately. Hopefully the civilization which succeeds ours won't rush to the end so eagerly, and make more meaningful stuff before it succumbs. We had a pretty good run though, our culture really was beautiful lads. Don't cry because it's over etc

[Anonymous No.19451285]

I tend to think of the present disorder of human ideas as a temporary matter, an isolated episode of relative chaos in a broader human history whose ultimate fate is most likely annihilation, but which also likely has, so to speak, golden ages before it.

I think this disorder is far from resolving itself. Unspeakable horrors and terrible violence will come, as they always have. The American Empire will eventually collapse (it has plenty of life in it as yet) ending a long period of time during which traditional modes of life were obliterated on a global scale, leaving vast amounts of people very confused as to the broader questions in life (why we live, why we work, why we have children, why we suffer illness, how we memorialize the dead etc.)

After the chaos and destruction, new ideas will emerge capable of addressing the shortcomings of the previous order and holding an authoritative, normative power for constituting life at the individual, community and national level.

Some parts of the world will carry on as they always have, relatively untouched. I have in mind here the masses of the modern cities.

There is of course the wild-card of apocalyptic nuclear war, which will probably remain a possibility for the rest of humankind's existence, and which will almost certainly actually happen given the appropriate combination of geopolitical circumstance and personality in leadership. It would be foolish to guess that would happen in the next 100 years, but much less foolish to guess that would happen in the next 2,500 years.

Anyways nobody will read or care about or transmit any of the stupid writing from this chaotic age of decline. We have our luminaries buried in the noise, but that is for another age to discern. For us, the noise is just our internal way of understanding, foregoing and causing our inevitable doom. It's a lot of bickering on a sinking boat.

[Anonymous No.19451431]

>>19450487
A commitment to local communities and spaces. Not an adherance to grand narritives.

[Anonymous No.19451450]

>>19450487
nuclear annihilation, hopefully

[Anonymous No.19451456]

>>19450487
exoteric adolfism

[Anonymous No.19451463]

>>19450487
Fire and brimstone

[Anonymous No.19451476]

>>19450487
Comfy Archeofuturism

[Anonymous No.19451483]

The only way we will get new philosophies is if society reverts to a point where challenge and learning is encouraged. Unfortunately that isn't prioritized anymore at least in the west as everyone goes only for the path of least resistance. I really don't see any great minds coming from our lifetime sadly.

[Anonymous No.19451549]

>>19451483
There are plenty of new philosophical trends, but they have to accept the caveat that they are simply a system of thought for a specific purpose.

[Anonymous No.19451891]

>>19450487
The equivalent will be a Chinese word.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19451992]

>>19450487
Could something come?

[Anonymous No.19451997]

>>19451036
By Jove, anon, you've hit it: pseudfestism. Covers both left and right, and everything in between. Perhaps the most 'pan-democratic' movement ever.

[Anonymous No.19452279]

>>19450487
Hypermodernity

[Anonymous No.19452299]

>>19450487
Yes, human extinction.

[Anonymous No.19452315]

>>19452279
Ive never been a massive fan of Johns ideas on Hypermodernity, I read this book and wasnt overly impressed. Hypermodernism is just broken people searching through broken cultures trying to create something. We dont need all the grand ideas he tries to infuse with it. Also Culkin is a fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.19452335]

>>19450532
Based.
>>19450923
>We’ve reached the end of history
Imagine thinking this in current year.

[Anonymous No.19452339]

>>19451285
>Some parts of the world will carry on as they always have, relatively untouched. I have in mind here the masses of the modern cities.
The cities will be the first to go.

[Anonymous No.19452346]

>>19450487
transhumanism is the current and developing age, like it or not.

[Anonymous No.19452356]

It'll be metaphysical, transcendental, analytic, religious. Those are the only proper answers

[Anonymous No.19452361]

>>19452356
Ideally, yes.

>>19452346
Unfortunately, yes.

[Anonymous No.19452375]

>>19451450
>>19451191
>>19451483
>>19452299
Fear not, gentlemen. I am creating!

[Anonymous No.19452377]

>>19452356
What we want is the proper institution of religion, and then full force research into healthy life extension so we can eliminate the fear of being destroyed in all beings. From there its all gravy.

[Anonymous No.19452392]

>>19452315
>Also Culkin is a fucking faggot.
True, but isn't John's analysis correct in that the sign regimes are breaking down even if some little validity is left in the signs themselves?

[Anonymous No.19452404]

>>19452377
I don't mind materially dying tho. There should be a shut off button.

[Anonymous No.19452437]

>>19452377
>we
>proper institution of religion
>full force research into healthy life extension

[Anonymous No.19452448]

>>19452404
You wont want to choose death by the time we figure shit out. At that point humankind will understand itself for what it is, a series of observation points with no real identity. We must move forward as if we were a single organism of sorts. You can opt out if you want to but it probably wont mean permanent death like you think it will, as well I believe you'll lose interest in opting out once you see the scope of what we can achieve as a unit.

[Anonymous No.19452453]

>>19452448
You need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.19452459]

>>19452448
The unit I hope to join is God so. I can honestly imagine extreme forms of torture if we became ai that would last forever.

[Anonymous No.19452460]

>>19452453
You have already chosen death. I am so sorry.

[Anonymous No.19452467]

>>19452335
yup, it's just liberal capitalism in various flavors of authoritarian from here on out

[Anonymous No.19452470]

>>19452459
Well eventually you will probably break down, I doubt infinite life is truly possible. But in the meantime stick around as long as you can and help out and then you can meet your maker in like 300 years or whatever.

[Anonymous No.19452473]

>>19452467
>waah socialism failed, no ideology will be invented ever again

[Anonymous No.19452476]

>>19452470
I think by the age of 30 you lose interest in living that long. It may be partially a biological human thing but I think by 30 we've seen enough

[Anonymous No.19452490]

>>19452476
I think youll find there is a lot of people in their 30s and even their 40s who dont want to die, I dont think the "industry" of cryonics would exist without that want. Or countless myths and legends describing the fear of death or whatever. Actually most of everything comes out of the fear of death, goods and ills. What makes you say people lose interesting in living after 30? Strange.

[Anonymous No.19452502]

>>19452490
It's not like a hard limit and it's not like "okay now we die" but there are certain life lessons we all share regardless of culture or era and although I didn't formally or materially or whatever say it correctly, there's a related viewpoint you get then. 25 is another hot bed tho where quarter life crises end.

[Anonymous No.19452505]

>>19450929
Based

[Anonymous No.19452550]

>>19451285
Basically, anon.

A beautiful time, to be sure -

[Anonymous No.19452751]

>>19450923
>ai is gaining traction
>quantum computing is gaining traction
>space travel is blooming
>nation borders are dissolving

uhm guys wrap it up i think we are done here nothing is gonna happen from here on now

[Anonymous No.19453624]

>>19451483
>I really don't see any great minds coming from our lifetime sadly.
Me (the next gay female zoomer Dante)

[Anonymous No.19453639]

>>19450915
postpostpostmodernism

[Anonymous No.19453644]

>>19452375
>nuclear annihilation, hopefully

[Anonymous No.19453664]

>>19450487
Post-postmodernism

[Anonymous No.19453683]

metamodernism and then the largest civil wars ever witnessed on this planet

[Anonymous No.19453691]

we're facing the end of the western canon.
this is the age of hedonism and chaos, so i would say the next is a return to the Epic, considering the fact that any contributions henceforth will be made by either the phoenix of the west or the meek who will inherit the earth.
expect deeply idiosyncratic familial tales that cradle history through hellscape. something the grand patriarch tells the village children before bed.

[Anonymous No.19453825]

>>19450487
Eternity has begun.
There will be no more isms.

[Anonymous No.19453844]

>>19450801
Woah this guy is BADASS :0

[Anonymous No.19453848]

>>19450487
Maybe, but nothing will. It's the peak of the agony.

[Anonymous No.19453882]

>>19450487
Victory of Islam over kufr

[Anonymous No.19453916]

>>19453683
>>19450929
Metamodernism is a meme and it stopped being explanatory after charlottesville

[Anonymous No.19454100]

>>19450929
>>19450915
>>19453639
>>19453664
>>19453683
The issue with any sort of *-modernism, be it postmodernism, post-postmodernism, metamodernism, hypermodernism etc etc, is that when defined this way it will always be defining itself in relation to Modernism, and therefore can never truly escape it. Postmodernism and metamodernism will always be living in the shadow of Modernism unless it can find a way to stand on its own.

[Anonymous No.19454115]

>>19453916
Please explain.

>>19454100
I really don't mind that.

[Anonymous No.19454213]

>>19454100
We need to turn to Futurism

[Anonymous No.19454260]

I believe that, much as Baudrillard writes in Astral America, we are currently witnessing a rapid proliferation of identities as we atomise as a society. Be that new obsessions with nationalism and socialism in the West creating new political entities, or new racial and gender identities as cultural politics explodes; the truth is that this is fundamentally postmodern (of course). As individualism comes to dominate, eventually identity will become impossible to discern, and so will no longer become a platform on which to organise hierarchies (the transgender bathroom confusion is a nascent form of this - how do we fit people who exist outside of the structures we have built into those same structures?). I think, and as Baudrillard thinks too, this will eventually lead to a return to societies built upon values which are far more fundamental. Obsession over gender and racial identities will give way to an appreciation for character, moral values, etc. As such, what appears to be an acceleration towards an entirely atomised, hyperindividualistic society may instead reveal itself to be a return to some form of traditionalist, pre-modern state of affairs.

[Anonymous No.19454314]

>>19454115
You can look at the definition. It aligns w irony from pomo but to a fake sincerity (like the cultural christianity crap). Metamodernism might have preceded the alt right as a formulation and it may have properly judged what comes after pomo but we needed something different and how quickly and terribly the metamodern institutions fell is indicative of that.

[Anonymous No.19454318]

>>19454260
The future is social credit. It won't matter who you are, it will matter how low risk the state considers you to be, and it will determine this through data collection and analysis. There will be "bias" in this system, but it can be corrected in real time by boosting the variables of people who feel disadvantaged but are willing to be loyal. We still have democracy for now, but only to test the accuracy of polling. iirc Baudrillard talks about polling a bit in Illusion of the End, but I'm sure he'd agree at this point we are producing series from a template. Once the template works we can phase out the testing and go live.

[Anonymous No.19454347]

>>19454115
>>19454314
If metamodernism was to succeed we would have 2016/2017 internet culture still. Meme culture, extreme politics (attempting to find sincerity or maturity in an insincere field while not assuming truth is necessarily derived from the state), I would think a lot of these things can't be explained by capitalism or technology. I would say hype beasts, tik tok etc more properly can.

http://www.metamodernism.com/2015/01/12/metamodernism-a-brief-introduction/

[Anonymous No.19454378]

>>19454318
In fairness, I'd posit that we effectively already exist in a social credit system, just one predicated on class, gender, and racial lines, instead of ethical ones.

[Anonymous No.19454392]

>>19454378
Yes it'd be more formalized and would replace capitalism ig then

[Anonymous No.19454412]

>>19454378
Those were all shorthands for it in a way but we are very clearly moving to get that technology and governance framework sorted out, and whichever vendor can deliver it first to the government, whether it's "Meta" or Palantir or LexisNexis or 23andme, or all of them fed through the same platform, is going to take over the world without anyone even realizing it. The new Ford model T.

[Anonymous No.19454435]

>>19454412
>>19454392
Yes, certainly. I'd say that covid has done more than anything else to accelerate the West's movement towards autocracy and control systems. There's already pundits arguing that, were we more like China, we'd have fared better over the last two years. No doubt we'll see some more 'disasters' that 'demand a collectivist approach like COVID did' before the big Climate Crisis finally comes along to help assert the totality of the State absolutely.

[Anonymous No.19454472]

>>19454435
Yeah the biometric collection never goes away. It's like income tax during the world wars. Here to stay, states don't reliquish powers except to other states.

[Anonymous No.19454607]

>>19452377
Fear of death or a refusal to die is the most low-iq bugman goal

[Anonymous No.19454689]

>>19450801
haha perfect

[Anonymous No.19454706]

>>19450915
what about shitpostmodernism

[Anonymous No.19454736]

>anything can be called art and retards will pay millions for it
>most modern "philosophy" is just degenerates justifying trannies and pedophilia because "muh old morals" or whatever
>idiots still think politics are about "right vs left"
>the big topics of discussion in academia are how many blacks are in superhero movies and pronouns in twitter
Yeah I'm thinking it's over

[Anonymous No.19455260]

>>19454736
twitter isn't real life

[Anonymous No.19455266]

>>19454736
just log off and talk to normal people instead of whoever the twitter algorithm tells you to sperg about today

[Anonymous No.19455335]

>>19454736
Have you read actual contemporary philosophers?

[Anonymous No.19455340]

>>19450487
"True neoclassicalism," complete rejection of modernist (and henceforth postmodernist) art and instead a return to art for and from simpler times. I'd love to see beautiful narrative poems bloom in the vein of Iliad, Odyssey or Divine Comedy from such a movement.

[Anonymous No.19455362]

>>19450923
This doesnt make any sense and is actually one of the worst answers in the thread.

[Anonymous No.19455373]

>>19454607
Yeah I know, you stupid nigger. You fail to see the point. Our world is a world of low iq bugmen (like you) and so we need to ameliorate that fear for them. Fuck you are dumb.

[Anonymous No.19455734]

Class war.

[Anonymous No.19456149]

>>19452473
Would love to see what kind of ideologies you expect from the future

[Anonymous No.19456153]

>>19456149
>socialism means being good therefore if there's anything after socialism it's variations of evil
Get a job

[Anonymous No.19456164]

>>19456153
That wasn't me defending socialism you absolute retard, it was me asking in earnest what comes next after our current socioeconomic dead end
>uhh, idk
yeah didn't think so

[Anonymous No.19456169]

>>19456164
>uses my same format because format
Yeah I'm thinking you're retarded

Jp I wasn't even him. I use a religious historicism.