/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19436369]

Why was he so critical of women? Was he ever faulted by a woman? And more importantly, were his views on women considered accurate during his time?

[Anonymous No.19436373]

Dude was creeping on a 17yo qt puss and got told to fuck off... he was in his fucking forties at the time.

Never recovered.

[Anonymous No.19436381]

This is an excerpt from one of his essays on women:
>It is only the man whose intellect is clouded by his sexual impulses that could give the name of the fair sex to that under-sized, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped, and short-legged race; for the whole beauty of the sex is bound up with this impulse. Instead of calling them beautiful, there would be more warrant for describing women as the un-aesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor for poetry, nor for fine art, have they really and truly any sense or susceptibility; it is a mere mockery if they make a pretence of it in order to assist their endeavour to please.
It seems to me that he wasn't just sincerely trying to write and expound on women but was trying to actively malign and demean them.

[Anonymous No.19436382]

How can one man be so correct?

[Anonymous No.19436387]

>>19436381
Strong closet homo vibes there

[Anonymous No.19436404]

>>19436369
His mum was a bitch.

[Anonymous No.19436425]

He was an ugly manlet so no doubt he was treated with disrespect by women (see the grape story) and he had to resort to fucking used up roasties and prostitutes.
That's why he's was so bitter about women.

[Anonymous No.19436437]

>>19436369
he analysed women with pure reason and that led to what he said, everything is accurate

[Anonymous No.19436450]

>>19436381
to be honest if you remove sexual desire women are the equivalent of big ass baboons, deformed and undeveloped versions of the male counterparts, objectively uglier, and its extended to intellect too they never produced any good art or scientific discovery

[Anonymous No.19436453]

>>19436437
>>19436450
You'd never dare to even imply anything of that sort publicly

[Anonymous No.19436487]

>>19436453
Dilate. I've told my wife this.

[Anonymous No.19436497]

>>19436487
Ok incel.

[Anonymous No.19436505]

>>19436453
of course not. your point is?

[Anonymous No.19436535]

>>19436453
Hi sugartits. You know the mantra. Show them or gtfo.

[Anonymous No.19436542]

>>19436369
Look into his mother. She was an exceptionally horrible woman. She drove his father to suicide, pushed him down the stairs during an argument, and ruined his relationship with Goethe.

[Anonymous No.19436547]

I'm starting to think the love between men and women is pretty one-sided. Where men love women more than women love men. In fact, women seem to hold contempt for men.

[Anonymous No.19436562]

>>19436425
>buttmad cause he couldn’t get bussy
This is why I can’t take ““““philosophers”””””” seriously. You just know these guys writings would have been drastically different if they had a somewhat comfortable social life and a loving girlfriend. Much of their work seems to be a vain pastime to forget about their real life failures and inadequacy. Show me a philosopher who knew how to live, and I’ll study his work diligently.

[Anonymous No.19436565]

>>19436497
>>19436450

[Anonymous No.19436570]

>>19436547
Women love their husbands devotedly if they are a high quality person. Women are... well they should never be in the workforce to begin with.

[Anonymous No.19436602]

>Why was he so critical of women
because he was right
I have a strong suspicion there are women posting itt at this very moment because this whole thread is one giant "who hurt you" meme reply.

[Anonymous No.19436619]

>>19436570
I was more thinking about women not really wanting men as much as men want them. They also seem to be more averse to weaknesses whereas men are more willing to forgive weakness in women.

[Anonymous No.19436645]

>>19436570
>if they are a high quality person
there's always an arbitrary clause as a requirement to a woman's "love" and this is always something that will benefit the woman directly

[Anonymous No.19436647]

>>19436381
To be fair women ARE terrible at art, especially music.

[Anonymous No.19436697]

>you have to be sexually frustrated tk hate women
A hole wrote this

[Anonymous No.19436708]

>>19436619
This is on point.

Loyal women are very rare, when they want you they really want you but that doesn't last for long unless it's a rare case. They are also absolutely brutal when it comes to weaknesses, there is a reason you as a man should never ever show weakness towards a woman unless she is a friend, but even then it will come to bite you in the ass at some point and she will think less of you even if she doesn't herself know it.

Women say they want one thing (men that show emotion) but they are biologically attracted to the opposite.

[Anonymous No.19436728]

People who have no luck with women tend to dislike them, and vice versa. Chads usually enjoy female company because female company for Chads means women give up the pussy for nothing.

Looks are one of the few things that are like fate, it really doesn't matter how cool a person you are, how virtuous you are, or how much money you make, if you're ugly people will either treat you with active contempt, or they will avoid you like the plague.

I know this, because I am very ugly.

[Anonymous No.19436749]

>>19436728
Chads are more sexist than incels. Thats why they treat women like sluts.

[Anonymous No.19436760]

>>19436749
And women actually enjoy being treated like sluts, that's why they let Chad fill their holes on the first date. Beta male on the other hand is either a submissive simp, or a bitter incel who can't even talk to them.

[Anonymous No.19436777]

>>19436749
They don't treat women like sluts though. They might actually believe women are sluts, but they don't treat them that way. Incels on the other hand both believe and treat women like sluts and therefore never get laid.

[Anonymous No.19436786]

>>19436369
A letter to Arty from his mom:

You are not an evil human; you are not without intellect and education; you have everything that could make you a credit to human society. Moreover, I am acquainted with your heart and know that few are better, but you are nevertheless irritating and unbearable, and I consider it most difficult to live with you. All of your good qualities become obscured by your super-cleverness and are made useless to the world merely because of your rage at wanting to know everything better than others; of wanting to improve and master what you cannot command.


With this you embitter the people around you, since no one wants to be improved or enlightened in such a forceful way, least of all by such an insignificant individual as you still are; no one can tolerate being reproved by you, who also still show so many weaknesses yourself, least of all in your adverse manner, which in oracular tones, proclaims this is so and so, without ever supposing an objection. If you were less like you, you would only be ridiculous, but thus as you are, you are highly annoying.

[Anonymous No.19436790]

>>19436777
>but they don't treat them that way

[Anonymous No.19436796]

>>19436786
Lmao, based mom absolutely roasting the incel

[Anonymous No.19436798]

>>19436790
It's not bait at all, you're just a socially inept retard.

[Anonymous No.19436805]

>>19436450
Didn't a woman not invent the crazy machine?

[Anonymous No.19436807]

>>19436798
You are supposed to say nice things while treating them poorly in actions.

[Anonymous No.19436809]

>>19436798
nooo they cant just treat women like sluts because.. ugh thats so mean they just cant

[Anonymous No.19436810]

Schops did get some when he was young, it was this being taken from him in his later years that might've prompted it.

[Anonymous No.19436811]

>>19436708

Loyalty is just another word for slavery. Loyalty turns slavery inside out and makes the slavery the responsibility of the slave.

Loyalty is bad social management. It integrates extortion into everything you do, and robs you of choice. It is worse than extortion. At least extortion is the trade of one thing you don't want to do for a thing you want more. Loyalty removes any gain for yourself.

Nothing deserves your loyalty, and to expect it from anyone makes you a selfish piece of shit, and to give it to anyone or anything makes you an NPC in a game that is not your own.

[Anonymous No.19436813]

>>19436562
Neetsch

[Anonymous No.19436824]

>>19436807
More like you're supposed to flirt, lead them on and play games, and make them always think that you have a better option right around the corner; that's not treating them like trash and sluts, it's playing the game of modern courtship.

The fact that incels don't know how to do this isn't a testiment to the retardedness of women, it's a testiment to the failed socialization of incels.

[Anonymous No.19436844]

>>19436824
Watch the Zac Stacy video. Thats how Chads treat women.

[Anonymous No.19436854]

>>19436824
>flirt, lead them on and play games, and make them always think that you have a better option right around the corner
In other words: pussybrained gaslighting. If that's what it takes to get laid these days, I'll rather stick to faps, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.19436871]

>>19436777
You are blissfully naive

[Anonymous No.19436879]

>>19436854
Well male-female relations have always been like that anon, I never said it was psychologically healthy, nature has made us seek to cum in pussies by any means necessary.

[Anonymous No.19436885]

>>19436871
And you're a sexually repressed retard who spends half his day on this site shitposting and the other half masturbating. Don't imagine you're some kind of model human being.

[Anonymous No.19436890]

>>19436786
Didn't she seethe when his fame began to eclipse her own reputation? Remember reading that she said "There can only be one genius in this family" or something to the equivalent

[Anonymous No.19436907]

>>19436885
Doesn't prove your argument

[Anonymous No.19436912]

>>19436879
>Well male-female relations have always been like that
Nonsense. Caveman would just take the female and fuck her on the spot, or challenge the alpha male for mating rights. Medieval peasant married neighbour's 14 year old virgin daughter. Even 100 years ago, significant portion of marriages were socially arranged. Nowadays, you have to jump through a dozen hoops like a circus pony just to have a chance with 31 year old HR assistant who already took 30 dicks.

[Anonymous No.19436916]

>>19436907
And neither does your claim that I am naive prove that the incel worldview is correct.

Just because you can watch a Youtube video where an asshole treats a seriously damaged woman like shit and she doesn't leave immediately, doesn't mean that this is the norm.

[Anonymous No.19436919]

>>19436912
You clearly haven't been to a danceclub full of drunk young women in your life. Women will give it up for nothing today, compared to centuries ago. The hoops don't exist anon, they are a figment of your imagination.

[Anonymous No.19436928]

>>19436381
Am retarded. How do learn to interpret passages like these? I got lost at the third line.

[Anonymous No.19436929]

>>19436916
My real world observations are my evidence. "Chads" who get lots of women do so by playing the numbers game, not treating women like angels. By definition your not a Chad if you have to treat women nicely to get laid.

[Anonymous No.19436934]

>>19436912
People have always been of different character types. I can't articulate it and i agree men are encouraged not to be stoic and masculine but you must understand that not every couple was like a 50s poster family. All sorts of character traits were always there, some hid them. Many didn't. But then later the veil was pulled and then there was no shaming of people.

[Anonymous No.19436941]

>>19436929
What the fuck does the word nice even mean here? If you mean socially inept, high strung, expecting pussy by paying for dinner etc, then yes obviously women don't find this attractive. Men wouldn't find that attractive if women did it either.

[Anonymous No.19436944]

>>19436919
Good for you, Chad, but that's not a relatable experience for the average 4chan user.

[Anonymous No.19436954]

>>19436944
It would be if the average 4chan user actually associated with women in real life at all, but they are too busy cooming and whining about them instead.

[Anonymous No.19436967]

>>19436708
I was more thinking of personal weaknesses or flaws, like not having a clear goal, impatience or just lack of confidence.

[Anonymous No.19436981]

>>19436954
No. Average and below average males don't have access to casual sex, woman would rather be Chad's side bitch #4 than waste her time on awkward dude shorter than 6'1''. Of course you're aware of this, you're just being disingenuous on purpose.

[Anonymous No.19436991]

>>19436941
Expectations have nothing to do with being nice. You are admitting to him that niceness has really nothing to do with getting laid. It's just as easy to treat women like shit and still get laid.

[Anonymous No.19436997]

>>19436981
>Average and below average males don't have access to casual sex

Yes they do lol. They just don't have access to the top 10% hottest women on the planet.

I get that you might not like partying or going to clubs, that's fine, but you're just dead wrong if you don't think millions of average looking people have sex all over the planet at this exact moment.

[Anonymous No.19436998]

>>19436941
>socially inept, high strung
I dont know how you got those from nicely. All the argument was is that Chads are more sexist than incela. Doesnt mean normal guys with girlfriends

[Anonymous No.19437003]

>>19436824
That doesn't sound in any way like love. But I guess love is an outdated term and people would prefer to treat women like stocks.

[Anonymous No.19437012]

>>19436997
They don't. They might get lucky once or twice but they don't have it casually on a regular basis as "chads" do. I'm not him btw

[Anonymous No.19437019]

>>19436998
>I dont know how you got those from nicely.

Because typically what incels call nice is actually a completely harmless over or undersocialized failson who literally can't string along a sentence or maintain a conversation with a female in real life without subconsciously wishing he was back at his computer to jerk off.

[Anonymous No.19437024]

I think that incels have a lot of hard to digest but valuable insights that otherwise get blurred in between their blinding irritation at women. Makes me wish they would try and adopt some buddhist mindset so they can articulate their observations more clearly.

[Anonymous No.19437030]

>>19436997
We were discussing casual sex, obviously the average male can gain access to pussy via commited relationship but in that case we're going back to the trained circus pony: be a good little provider + reliable emotional tempton and yes, indeed, you may get a taste of the heavenly vagina; until she finds a slightly more efficient provider. Honestly, you have to be either a woman or a top 20% male, because you're oblivious to the state of average dude's sex life.

[Anonymous No.19437033]

>>19437012
It's proportional to how much you attempt to do it. The reason Chads fuck a lot is obviously because they are attractive and socially skilled, but it's also because they choose to associate with women far more than average, e.g they go to where there are women all the time.

If you sit at home in your apartment 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you can't expect to get laid nor meet a partner regardless of how attractive you are.

[Anonymous No.19437039]

>>19437030
>emotional tempton
*tampon

[Anonymous No.19437045]

>>19436777
People engage in more demeaning and extreme sexual acts in one-night stands and other casual sexual encounters than they will with their life partner.

[Anonymous No.19437050]

>>19437019
Ok dude we get it, you dont like incels. However the notion that secistbeliefs are only harbored by them is empirically false given how much violence is done to women.
Pic related isnt an incel but raped/assaulted 4 women

[Anonymous No.19437056]

>>19437030
Again, I never said it wasn't hard to find a partner or that it might not be worth it, but I also think you should reflect on what the alternative is too. Being single for 80+ years probably isn't healthy, nor fun.

[Anonymous No.19437060]

>>19437019
I think you are just strawmanning at this point. I'm not him but being nice has nothing to do with how socially competent you are. Intentions might matter but honestly, why do you do anything? Do you think there is no underlying will or desire in your actions? Incels genuinely do want a soulmate, and masturbation is just a coping mechanism, otherwise it wouldn't bother them so much.

[Anonymous No.19437062]

>any discussion about women's merits and characteristics that veers even slightly critical
>woman enters
>"I BET EVERYONE SAYING CRITICAL THINGS ABOUT MY GENDER DID NOT HAVE SEX AND EVERYONE SAYING NOT CRITICAL THINGS ABOUT MY GENDER HAD SEX"
>sees historical figures mentioned who were mildly critical of women
>"DID HE NOT HAVE SEX? I BET HE DIDN'T HAVE SEX"
>starts pointing at random objects she doesn't particularly like
>"HAVE SEX"
>someone points out that all she's saying is "have sex"
>"THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING SOMEONE WHO SHOULD HAVE SEX WOULD SAY"

I can't tell if women are the most based animals ever to exist or the most retarded humans ever to exist

[Anonymous No.19437063]

>>19437050
It's not that I don't like them, it's that their worldview doesn't solve the problem at hand, it just makes men more miserable and in some cases violent against completely innocent people.

[Anonymous No.19437068]

>>19437056
You didn't really say anything desu.

[Anonymous No.19437073]

>>19437033
Many incels have actually tried. Maybe they don't want to treat women like investment stocks which they can dump at a moments notice?

[Anonymous No.19437074]

>>19437063
I dont like incels either tho

[Anonymous No.19437118]

>>19437063
Sure, you can lay the blame entirely on their shoulders and dismiss all of their criticisms of modern culture and women by berating them for not having sex on a regular basis. Why? idk, maybe it hurts your pride that people don't take your "advices" seriously or find them to be myopic. Either way, in their eyes it will not fix "the problem".

[Anonymous No.19437125]

>>19437118
These people completely ignore the correlation with feminism and incels (Because it is convenient)

[Anonymous No.19437138]

>>19436647
based

[Anonymous No.19437151]

>>19437118
>you can lay the blame entirely on their shoulders

I don't though. Nothing I have said in this thread should make you think that I do, but obviously you have some sort of victim-complex so that's what you automatically think.

[Anonymous No.19437174]

You know, whenever I ask people why they think rape is illegal, or why it should be considered illegal, they always either say "because it isn't consent" or because it infringes on the victims freedom. I have some problems with these answers.
First off, sex without consent is the definition of rape, not the definitive moral reason as to why we have it in the first place. Second, laws are inherently freedom infringing. In this case the law protects the victim by restricting the freedom of the aggressor. So which is it? is infringing on freedom good or bad?
Most of the time they need to think real hard before answering. It's not surprising considering the law was enforced even before they were born and back then the reason was quite simple:
It ruins the innocence/purity of the victim
As of yet I've never heard anyone say this when I ask them this question. They seem to think these concepts like innocence and purity are outdated or something. I don't know why... I think they got hit on the head or something. What do you think bros?

[Anonymous No.19437176]

INCEL LIVES MATTER!!!!!
INCEL LIVES MATTER!!!!!
INCEL LIVES MATTER!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19437192]

>>19437151
I'm not saying that people should be responsible for their own agency. I don't even think I qualify as an incel. But their critiques are much less of them loathing the fact that they don't have sex and more of a societal nature. And when people just start coming and telling them to have sex or to treat women essentially like stocks in a numbers game then I kinda understand that they feel like no one takes them seriously.

[Anonymous No.19437197]

>>19437176
They quite literally do not matter

[Anonymous No.19437202]

>>19437192
should not* be responsible

[Anonymous No.19437251]

>>19437192
Well I'm not saying any of that though. I'm saying that if you actually want to have sex or to get a partner, you have to put in the work even if nature has stacked the odds against you by giving you less of a physical appearance to work with than other people.

I mean, Danny DeVito is literally 4ft 10, that didn't stop him from becoming a famous actor.

[Anonymous No.19437261]

>>19436450
This. If people could actually see them for what they truly are, they would see perpetual children, egocentric, vapid creatures that use their sexuality and emotional manipulation as prime tools for achieving their goals. Women are absolutely incapable of introspection, incapable of admiring beauty and art (not to mention creating it) and incapable of living and dying for an elevated ideal. It's laughable how obviously inferior they are.

[Anonymous No.19437263]

>>19437197
And neither do roasties who aren't getting married or having children

[Anonymous No.19437266]

>>19437261
Pussy be damn tight tho

[Anonymous No.19437287]

>>19437261
imagine if you were from another species and saw these primates with big hanging balls of fat in the chest and legs, with infant face, big hips, small shoulders, big hair, small head and full of chemicals on the face
men are much more symmetrical

[Anonymous No.19437293]

>>19436373
>17yo qt puss

Can you blame him?

[Anonymous No.19437303]

>>19437251
A lot of incels aren't deformed. I don't think nature has much to do with that or their unwillingness to participate in a society they don't like

[Anonymous No.19437306]

>>19437293
>tfw 16 legal in my area
I have seen the promised land and yes, it is infinitely superior to tw*ntoid pussy. Like comparing a microwave dinner to a steak dinner.

[Anonymous No.19437314]

>>19437266
There is no way we won't get realistic sex robots commercially available this century. Then what?

[Anonymous No.19437341]

>>19437314
1. Global warming
2. Feminists
It's not happening

[Anonymous No.19437349]

>>19437314
What happens when half the global population loses most of their value almost overnight? Having to deal with nagging, aging women will be a thing reserved for poorfags and religious fundamentalists or something?

[Anonymous No.19437352]

>>19437349
Nietzsche says women can't be friends or equals, only slaves or tyrants, with nothing in between. They've been tyrants for a while, they'll snap back to being slaves in 15 minutes.

[Anonymous No.19437354]

>>19437341
Oh, it can't be stopped, friend.

[Anonymous No.19437366]

>>19437352
Only this time they will have competition for the first time in human history. And I'm using the word competition loosely here. They can't compete with what is coming.

[Anonymous No.19437388]

>>19436425
Lol, sluts were having multiple kids by various men and red-pilled simps were simply handing them large sums of money in the 1830s.

There really is nothing knew under the sun.

[Anonymous No.19437408]

>>19437388
Now look into his mother, he hated her and she hated him because all she wanted to do was go to socialite parties. Some say Johanna Schopenhauer is still going to parties and posting selfies on instagram to this day.

[Anonymous No.19437409]

>>19437261
To reproduce, it is true that our species needs to hallucinate an outer beauty over an inner ugliness.
It does seem that traditionalist societies are capable of generating women who really do seem to have genuine sympathy and even a genuine inner life. Every 'archaic' manual for dealing with women from Ancient Greece to Renaissance Italy to 1950s USA converged on the same core principles for a good reason. It simply cannot be coincidental.

[Anonymous No.19437426]

>>19437062
>"I BET EVERYONE SAYING CRITICAL THINGS ABOUT MY GENDER DID NOT HAVE SEX AND EVERYONE SAYING NOT CRITICAL THINGS ABOUT MY GENDER HAD SEX"

And of course, the biggest flaw in this argument is that far more men had wives in the past, and typically had a mistress also. Yet, what is today punished as 'sexist' would simply have been taken for granted. They admit as much in their own holy texts. 'The evil patriarchal past'. But this couldn't have been a consequence of men not having sex; the incel problem seems more pronounced today.
In fact, it seems that women have learned to better leverage their position to train their men via sex to adopt highly inflated opinions of women's value.

[Anonymous No.19437429]

>>19437409
Isn't it weird that decent women has to be ''engineered'' by some specific society? Doesn't that say something about women as a whole?

[Anonymous No.19437437]

>>19436387
>t midwit

[Anonymous No.19437446]

>>19437429
Yes. Even after just a few decades of undoing that 'engineering', some really staggering nastiness and hypershalowness has emerged, and will probably get worse for still some time.

[Anonymous No.19437450]

>>19437409
>To reproduce, it is true that our species needs to hallucinate an outer beauty over an inner ugliness.

With young girls Nature seems to have had in view what, in the language of the theater is called a glamor effect; as for a few years she dowers them with a wealth of beauty and is lavish in her gift of charm, at the expense of all the rest of their life; so that during those years they may capture the fantasy of some man to such a degree that he is hurried away into undertaking the honorable care of them, in some form or other, as long as they live—a step for which there would not appear to be any sufficient warranty if reason only directed his thoughts.

Accordingly, Nature has equipped woman, as she does all her creatures, with the weapons and implements requisite for the safeguarding of her existence, and for just as long as it is necessary for her to have them. Here, as elsewhere, Nature proceeds with her usual economy; for just as the female ant, after fecundation, loses her wings, which are then superfluous, nay, actually a danger to the business of breeding; so, after giving birth to one or two children, a woman generally loses her beauty; probably, indeed, for similar reasons.

And so we find that young girls, in their hearts, look upon domestic affairs or work of any kind as of secondary importance, if not actually as a mere jest. The only business that really claims their earnest attention is love, making conquests, and everything connected with this—dress, dancing, and so on.

[Anonymous No.19437454]

>>19436381
>actively malign and demean them.
Lol you must be unfamiliar with Schopenhauer if you think that's a attempt to malign them

[Anonymous No.19437461]

>>19437446
Sure, but what I meant to say was that if the best we can hope for is to domesticate women as we do with dogs or horses then they can never be seen as equals.

[Anonymous No.19437513]

How hilarious is it that a womens division exists for chess?

[Anonymous No.19437519]

>>19437513
Are you fucking serious? Hahahahahahaha oh man I am assimilating that into my misogyny as one of my primary attacks

[Anonymous No.19437521]

>>19436562
>would have been drastically different if they had a somewhat comfortable social life and a loving girlfriend. Much of their work seems to be a vain pastime to forget about their real life failures and inadequacy
holy fuck what a retarded comment, if philosophers where midwits like me and passed their time in mediocrity I read their works!
Hey moron, if they did that there would be no philosophy
>philosopher who knew how to live
Imagine being this self unaware

[Anonymous No.19437574]

>>19436425
Didn't seem to stop him tho, we know he fucked a bunch of women and had relationships
>That's why he's was so bitter about women.
yes if you critique women in any way you are bitter, lol

[Anonymous No.19437579]

>>19436453
why not?

[Anonymous No.19437620]

>>19436796
that's cos she larped as a writer and simps humored her, shcop told her his works will be remembered and last while hers will not, some people can't handle a dose of cold hard reality

[Anonymous No.19437646]

>>19436944
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.19437658]

>>19436369

His mother didn't take care of him after his father died. She was more preoccupied with holding social events and socializing with high class people. Schopenhauer was having none of that shit and he despised the aristocratic snobbery so he didn't exactly care about etiquette and shit like that, so his mother was very pissed about this because it destroyed her image and they weren't on good terms and though of schopenhauer as unchiseled, etc. Basically he saw that his mother is a vapid superificial thot and he hated that.

[Anonymous No.19437701]

>>19437461
Well yes. But at the same time, men are heavily domesticated too. To a greater degree, in fact. The man of today is maybe even defined as the domesticated beast (Nietzsche). What society has stopped doing is putting any impediments on women's behaviour in any way. There is now also the entrenched and much-repeated ideological viewpoint that women, unlike men, don't actually display bad behaviour unique to them. They only suffer from 'sexist stereotypes', which makes us think that they do, whereas in reality they don't.

[Anonymous No.19437704]

>>19437366
govt will simply ban them

[Anonymous No.19437734]

>>19437341
>global warming
>"Oh no! My sexbot is slightly warmer than normal!"
fuck off

[Anonymous No.19437796]

>>19437701
That is all true. But what bothers me the most is that while men seems to have infinite potential for both vice and virtue, women will forever be stuck as simpler, inferior beings. All great feats of humanity came from men. A woman can maybe sacrifice herself for her son, but she could never do the same for her community, her country or an ideal higher than herself. Women can't reach enlightenment, can't feel deeply moved by the beauty of nature and art, can't be bothered by complex ideas etc. The gap is so wide I have a hard time even seeing them as ''human'' in the way we usually think about the term. It's in our nature to ignore all of that and let ourselves get fooled, specially because we have nothing to compare them against, we have no other option available.

[Anonymous No.19437811]

>>19436425
I have to be honest, he makes very good points but as a human being he must've been completely insufferable.

[Anonymous No.19437831]

>>19437796
>It's in our nature to ignore all of that and let ourselves get fooled, specially because we have nothing to compare them against, we have no other option available.

Interesting to consider that there isn't any (real) third gender by which the other 2 can be compared against. There will always be errors of interpretation as well as deception when all we have is each other and no 'control' case.
I guess what you're describing is the death of Canonical Liberalism. Like the decline of staunch religious belief in the late 19th century, the fact that liberal dogmas (e.g., stronk empowered women who are also caring artists) have been found hollow can leave a weird empty feeling temporarily. At least until we figure out the next stage.

[Anonymous No.19437851]

>>19436728

Money will get you laid tho I have a couple of friends that literally make a living out of dating and fucking ugly old guys with a shitload of money

[Anonymous No.19437869]

>>19437704
I a country bans sexbots it will simply suffer with a massive migration of every citizens with enough means to other countries that allow sexbots. It would be such a massive loss of capital that politicians would have no choice but to revert the law. You have no idea how game changing sexbots would be for society. Rich people leave their original country for much, MUCH less.

[Anonymous No.19437880]

>>19436453
>if you remove sexual desire
so you are saying he wouldn't dare to ever say that aloud because he'd get no pussy? Why should men be hostages to the puss?

[Anonymous No.19437889]

>>19437851
This is my dream, I want to be an older man who wears fishing tackle hats and everybody knows me in the neighborhood, then I connive to have rumors spread about me that I'm secretly loaded, and I start staying late at diners and eateries with attractive young waitresses looking to get out of their dead end situations and I'll let them think they're manipulating me and luring me in with their beauty and sexuality when really I'm just some old guy in a hat and I don't have any money but they only find that out months later after I've fucked them 600 times

My dream is that I will get on the news as hundreds of women discover simultaneously that I'm just some old guy in a fishing hat and they've all been sleeping with me for no reason

[Anonymous No.19437890]

>>19437880
>Why should
>should
found the problem

[Anonymous No.19437910]

>>19437831
Interesting point, but I think society as a whole would only go through that stage of shock and reevaluation AFTER this revolutionary third option were introduced (I think it will be sex robots in this century). Average men don't want to think about this stuff if they can avoid it, even when the consequences are suffering through a pitiful life chained to a woman that makes them miserable. It's almost like avoiding an eldritch revelation that would make them lose a great deal of appreciation for life.

[Anonymous No.19437923]

>>19437889
KEK
I will be hearing about you in the news 30 years from now, won't I?

[Anonymous No.19437982]

>>19437910
One way that men are disabused of being constantly controlled and harangued by women is by visiting non-propagandized countries. Even going to South Europe for me was an eye opener. But there is also a 'contrast case'.

Are you suggesting that there could be a big correction to sexual dynamics in the coming decades?

[Anonymous No.19438025]

>>19437982
>One way that men are disabused of being constantly controlled and harangued by women is by visiting non-propagandized countries. Even going to South Europe for me was an eye opener. But there is also a 'contrast case'.

I believe you.

>Are you suggesting that there could be a big correction to sexual dynamics in the coming decades?

A correction would be a massive understatement. I think it could be an unprecedented step in human history. Once the technology gets there and companies discovers the huge demand that would surge, it's only a matter of time for it to get economically affordable for the masses, and there is no predicting how that could change society. Women will have to try a lot harder, to say the least.

[Anonymous No.19438038]

>>19437889
top kek

[Anonymous No.19438041]

>>19438025
>tfw no southern accent loli-shark Gawr Gura sexbot

Please tell me I wasn't born too soon. Please tell me there is still time for me...

[Anonymous No.19438043]

>>19436928
learn vocabulary

[Anonymous No.19438046]

>>19437869
>sexbots
I don't want a sexbot, I want a tradwifebot

[Anonymous No.19438050]

>>19438046
That will cost you extra.

[Anonymous No.19438114]

>>19437982
>Southern Europe an eye-opener
Elaborate anon, I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.19438187]

>>19436562

>Albert Camus

My guy was knees deep in pussy.

[Anonymous No.19438190]

>>19438114
Some bullet points:
> Feminism took hold later and many women act like ladies in public.
> Men are not socialised to adore women independently of their behaviour, but dependently
> There is still something of an Erotic culture present. Eros is both built by, and helps maintain, sexual polarity between men and women. It isn't a 'yo I twerk an get dat dick' culture. Though imho it will be (US cultural norms still dominate the world).
> Men are more likely to catcall or pursue women actively. So, if you do not on the basis of your own cultural norms, you are more likely to be seen as gentlemanly or even mysterious/picky.
> Cheating is also seen as common in men, so not doing that would also earn your bonus points.

Again, not to say that Italy and Spain are some kind of bases Utopia. Spain in particular. But you can see some elements of pre-liberal society hanging on.

[Anonymous No.19438224]

>>19438190
Shame that is not going to last for long.

[Anonymous No.19438239]

>>19438224
Yes, I agree. Not long until. Unless China's rise is a game changer.

[Anonymous No.19438253]

>>19438224
We can't even up and start raiding the coastlines for booty and B O O T Y in homemade galleys anymore either.
>you'll never head to the nearest forest with the boys and set up a cheeky fortress
>send out raiders to all neighboring highways and canals, extorting tolls from high and low both
>keep the barons daughter as a dancing-girl, chained to the central dining hall's table, shaking her body to the rhythm of the shouts of your boisterous comrades
It's all so tiring.

[Anonymous No.19438347]

>>19436647
well there are some really great women musicians

[Anonymous No.19438361]

>>19438347
No there aren't.

[Anonymous No.19438369]

>>19438361
you haven't listened to enough music then. I don't give a fuck about defending women, I want to be objective though. Kate Bush for example is a great artist.

[Anonymous No.19438488]

>>19438369
>kate bush

lmao are you just a lyricspleb or what, I would have accepted a gnarly singer like Mariah Carey as technically incredible but not the stupid timbre and half octave range of kate bush.

[Anonymous No.19438628]

>>19437450
well... is he wrong?

[Anonymous No.19438654]

>>19437024
Agreed, incels spout alotta truth that filters some due to the nature of reality; and some others by the means of which they express that reality. Myself, I couldn't stand the severe amount of cope and trans tier identity faggotry I saw on display on the most popular incel website (forgot what it was called). I like to read their shit for a laff, and to genuinley relate some of what they say to experiences I've either had; or have bear witness to, but they need to be a bit more palatable, and stop with the LARPing faggotry they allow themselves to indulge in.

[Anonymous No.19438718]

>>19438369
>Kate Bush
Lmao

[Anonymous No.19438740]

>>19437429

Gotta restrain hypergamy, gotta socially force 'em to settle for beta men so that civilization can be built. Otherwise you get Mad Max/George Floyd Riots winner-take-all, all-against-all anarchy. Hell. The sexual dissatisfaction of women is foundational of civilization, this is one of the few things that the muslims get right.

[Anonymous No.19438769]

>>19438488
no i'm not a lyricsfag
>>19438718
nice argument pleb. now post some of your favorite musicians so I can laugh too.

[Anonymous No.19438776]

>>19438740
Let them enjoy their current freedom and equality of rights (they have privileges, actually). They have no idea what to do with that freedom and it will inevitably backfire on them in the future. Can you picture any of these creatures being happy past their 40s?

[Anonymous No.19438825]

>>19436453
show booba plis

[Anonymous No.19438889]

>>19436369

The simple, true and urionic answer is that he had a bad relationship with his mother. That shit will poison your entire life. This is not to dismiss his criticisms of women, but merely to explain the psychological root cause.

[Anonymous No.19438910]

>>19438776

Sorry, no. They won't "learn their lesson", as you suggest. And in order for them to learn their lesson, it requires the misery of all, so your proposed justice is untenable. So no, the thing to do is to take away their pseudo-agency (the franchise, western divorce law, and so on). Only then can the healing (of beta male egos, yes, which is nothing else than the healing of civilization itself) begin.

[Anonymous No.19438918]

>>19438776
>Can you picture any of these creatures being happy past their 40s?

No, they'll either end up in marriages that can't satisfy them because they've trained themselves to live their lives in a way that is antithetical to marriage or childless and alone.

[Anonymous No.19438923]

>>19436369
>were his views on women considered accurate during his time?
His views are considered accurate to this day.

[Anonymous No.19438932]

>>19438910
What? Who said anything about women learning from their mistakes? Justice? I'm just pointing out that women with too much freedom are self-destructive creatures, their own worse enemy. They will be miserable for most of their lives, yes, but they won't learn anything because they are incapable of introspection. I don't give a shit about any of that, I'm just waiting for the sexbot revolution. People laugh at me when I talk about the sexbot revolution, but we'll see, they'll see...

[Anonymous No.19438943]

>>19438776

Also, as long as they've successfully reproduced and are free/subsidized to raise their children more-or-less as they wish, yes, they have a baseline happiness (their biological imperative has been fulfilled), which means that they aren't forced to reflect deeply on their life choices. Because there are no substantial consequences for their poor decisions (poor/abusive mate choice, divorce itself, promiscuity, a large range of bad behavior on social media short of the great sins of racism/homophobia/etc themselves) If you receive some form of social welfare/divorce money/other subsidization which ensures your own existence and that of your children, then you don't face any real consequences for your actions. Apart from, y'know, aging out of being hot (if they ever were), at which point they are content to settle into (pseudo)-family life during middle age. So they go on voting dem with the power given them scarcely a century ago, keeping the thing running.

[Anonymous No.19438950]

>>19437521
>if they had a somewhat comfortable social life and a loving girlfriend
>if philosophers where midwits like me and passed their time in mediocrity I read their works!
sure, not being fucking miserable and knowing how to appreciate life is "passing your time in mediocrity", you fucking retard. plenty of philosophers and scientists, unlike Schopenhauer, lived a decent life. i can only take the "work" of some sad fuck on something which is inherently about the art of living with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.19438953]

>>19436453
What the fuck does that have to do with the truth?

[Anonymous No.19438954]

>>19438918
Bingo. Even if they snatch some beta incel simp to support her, her life will be miserable. Even if she cheats on him, she won't be able to compete with younger thots for attention, she'll be that desperate hasbeen cougar trying to relive even 5% of the thrill she had in her 20's, or worse.

[Anonymous No.19438969]

>>19436453
correct but because most "people" are women and manginas

[Anonymous No.19438988]

>>19438932

The idea of women "learning their lesson" is implicit in your post, as you hypothesize a simple train of thought: 1) let women do as they please, 2) it'll "backfire" (the key word) on them, and 3) they will end up unhappy. I already addressed the impossibility for women to learn their lesson in the earlier post, but the idea is present in what you wrote, regardless of whether you intended it (you've clarified that you didn't).

The reason why I reject your post is because it's a cynical do-nothing let everyone be miserable stance (which again implies learning one's lesson, haha, that'll show 'em), close to accelerationism. The right thing to do is to understand women for what they are and then engineer (other anons have used this word, a good choice) a form of society which forces them to behave themselves with meaningful social sanction. This is key, it's how you actually control women: social sanction. They are much more sensitive to social transgression than men.

[Anonymous No.19438989]

>>19438943
They act like this because they know for a fact they can count on the state to support her in the worse case scenario. The state will give her alimony in case of a divorce, a bunch of social security benefits, sometimes even free abortions...why would they be responsible when everything encourages her not to be? As long as the socialist, progressive state exists, it will be like that. Fortunately, that model of state is unsustainable in the long run and can only fall under it's own weight, it's only a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.19439015]

>>19438988
The idea of them learning their lesson is not at all implicit on that post. Maybe some vague idea of cosmic justice, but that doesn't necessarily requires them to acknowledge their mistakes. And as I have elaborated on my other post, I don't think things will keep going like that indefinitely because the political and social structure that supports and incentivizes this form of action are in themselves unsustainable in the long run (just look at how all socialist countries implode after a tipping point).

[Anonymous No.19439203]

>>19436373
it was normal then.
>>19436381
You didn't understand him and his critique(of men) is a valid one. If we look at women trough the aesthetic platonic lens, meaning that
>harmony/order/proportion= beauty
than truly, women shouldn't be seen as beautiful being. It only is so because men want to COOM, and we let the coombrain and the morally good that we believe women are capable of giving us cloud our aesthetic judgement.
He is right when he says men are more beautiful in body than women, according to this view of beauty.

[Anonymous No.19439229]

>>19438190
That's called the remnants of Catholicism and perhaps Fascism.
>Portuguese

[Anonymous No.19439292]

>>19439203

I live a few blocks from one of the museums holding a Doryphyros (there are multiple copies around the world).

[Anonymous No.19439336]

>>19437704
Where there’s demand, there’s supply.
The free market ALWAYS find a way, baby!

[Anonymous No.19439412]

>>19436450
>>19437261
>to be honest if you remove sexual desire women are the equivalent of
This is utterly impossible because everything about a woman comes from her appearance. A woman's behavior will always have roots in how she was raised, be it as a pretty one, who always experienced bias for her in life, and therefore becomes a stuck up bitch, or the ugly ones, who, upon being maligned, become fragile or bitter. If you put a woman in a new body that was the opposite of her prior phsyical appearance, she wouldn't know what to do, because a woman's self-image is far more tied to how she looks than a man. This is also why women can't help not be anonymous online; they post their faces not because they're attention whores, but because they literally cannot comprehend themselves as anything beyond their physical appearance

[Anonymous No.19439417]

>>19438953
Women have no interest in truth, only social approval. They fail to realize that the immense privilege they enjoy in being able to vote, use birth control, and work outside the home are due entirely to the infinite patience of men.

[Anonymous No.19439427]

>>19439203
I don’t know, I find women much more pleasant to look at than men. And I don’t mean just sexually, in general I just think they’re more aesthetically pleasing than a man could ever be.

[Anonymous No.19439445]

>>19439412
good take
you imagine that a ugly person would compensate their appearence with charisma and virtues, but thats only true with men, women just become bitter cunts

[Anonymous No.19439457]

>>19436928
read more

[Anonymous No.19439463]

>>19438932
I'm 19, will I live to see the sex bot revolution?

[Anonymous No.19439476]

>>19439445
A lot of ugly men become bitter, and a lot of attractive men become vapid, but it's far less than women, because most men don't care, and those who do will find fellow men who care, and half of them are virtuous. Plus, male beauty is generally more virtuous to attain than female. Female beauty is entirely physical; women get together to do their makeup and wear heels designed to accentuate their butts and chests. To achieve the same affect, a man has to regularly work out with a plan and discipline, forcing him to think ahead and to be self-disciplined. Even if he manages to do this and still be a vapid airhead, other men who do the same thing will very rarely all be so, and as such he will subconsciously leech qualities off of them. This is why women regress to a low mean, while men regress to a high one

[Anonymous No.19439549]

>>19439203
>It only is so because men want to COOM, and we let the coombrain and the morally good that we believe women are capable of giving us cloud our aesthetic judgement.
God dammit I cannot stand this place. You are so fucking retarded and clearly arguing from your resentment at never having a substantial relationship with a woman once in your fucking life. What is this 'Platonic ideal' bullshit you are spouting? Women are an experience you fucking retard not a math formula, and the more you cling to this stupid fucking idea the more you are going to suffer. You're so convinced of your "rationality" but you are so blinded by your emotions. You watched too much porn. You stuck too hardly to an ideal. You brought forth your frustrations to a community of underdeveloped young men incapable of understanding women in any capacity whatsoever.
Men have been totally railroaded by a culture which makes them incapable of expressing their emotional selves, this is something not only that women have been allowed to do by the same cultural but which they are naturally inclined to do. If you took a chance you would actually learn about a part of yourself that has been long neglected. I cannot stand your referring to Plato you pretentious animal. As if you could learn more about love and women from a fucking ancient philosopher than you could by your own experience. Its fucking pathetic.
Clearly, there are issues of narcism and other things belonging to women but have you ever thought that maybe you're defining them entirely by these terms and nothing else is exactly the same way that some woman define men by rape and misogony? You're no fucking better than the worst you think about women. Get a fucking therapist. You're never going to understand women outside of experience thats just it. Every stupid fucking thread on this website asking for books on how to understand them is fucking retarded and evidence that you are all a bunch of whinny virgins who have completely abandoned their sexuality to a vain perusing of books. I just had amazing sex with my girlfriend and it was pure ecstasy because I felt our love in every single moment. Don't you fucking want something like this? It's not impossible, anon.
And without failure im going to get replies completely ignoring every point I've made and choosing to focus on how my gf is "unpure" because she took dicks before me, or that it won't last and she'll at a certain point want someone else, or some other bullshit. Do you know how inane it is to tell me that everything I know about my relationship of 4 years I am completely wrong about, because somehow an incel on an anime board knows more about me than I do? Grow up you fucking child.

[Anonymous No.19439567]

>>19439203
>>19439549
Like, people not over 200 years old have written about women and these ideas, but this board literally continually cites the same stupid fucking essay from Schopenhaur, or the same stupid fucking quotes from Nietzche. If you want to challenge yourself why not fucking read something which you know will challenge your beliefs, instead of retreating into things which can only reaffirm your hatred and resentment?

[Anonymous No.19439659]

>>19439549
damn i aint reading that

[Anonymous No.19439709]

>>19439659
idgaf you faggot

[Anonymous No.19439729]

>>19439427
I feel the opposite. I hate being around women and find men much more pleasing to look at. Females have a dark auora.

[Anonymous No.19439748]

>>19439709
calm down foo lol

[Anonymous No.19439763]

>>19439549
>>19439567
lmao

[Anonymous No.19439768]

>>19439748
no thanks "foo." The only opponents to our cultural of narcism and blind feminine worship are absolutely retarded and the discourse needs to extend beyond its present limitations. There are modes of experience that exist beyond perpetual resentment of others limitations. This is a possibility which exists in the hearts of every broken incel. I don't blame them bc its difficult to navigate but I'll definitely continue to call out the retardation when i see it on this board.

[Anonymous No.19439780]

>>19439729
not even once someone was ever comfortable being around women
too much pain in the ass and drama

[Anonymous No.19439784]

>>19439768
no fuck women foo lmao

[Anonymous No.19440171]

Based on observation and personal experience, it seems to me that Schopenhauer was right about women. I dont want to believe it, or for it to be that way. But I cant deny the evidence.

Women tend to lie and manipulate by nature. They are kids, who usually dont give much importance or thought to emotions, or complex ideas, such as love. They put enormous value on their looks. Few women through history have contributed to science and art. Concepts such as loyalty and sacrifice are alien to most women.

Most of the people I admire are men, be it scientists or art. Marie Curie is one of the few exceptions.

I have been taught all my life that women are equal, but evidence doesnt agree.

[Anonymous No.19440177]

It's the incel mindset. Nietzsche already talked about this and how only Socrates gets a pass because he married ironically.

[Anonymous No.19440253]

>>19440177

[Anonymous No.19440258]

>>19436381
i think this essay was written at least halfway tongue-in-cheek, the middle of the 19th century was dominated by the most insipid cloying cult of feminine domesticity seen on this earth

[Anonymous No.19440311]

I think he kicked a woman down his steps and had to pay her monthly afterwards

[Anonymous No.19440375]

>>19440311
Her loud blathering was upsetting his autism. He also wrote a little happy remark when he heard she finally croaked.

[Anonymous No.19440496]

>>19440311
When she died he wrote in his ledger "Anus obit, onus abit" which means "The old bat dies, the burden goes away"

[Anonymous No.19440528]

>>19436786
lmao the letter comes off as blatant midwit cope and seethe directed at an actual genius... noooo schoppy why can't you learn to be more agreeable you are ruining my avenues for social validation... nooo schoppy you aren't interested in the truth due to an outlier high intellect and a natural existential angst that permeates your life you just want to feel smarter than other ppl... lmao grow up

[Anonymous No.19440581]

>>19436777
>They don't treat women like sluts though. They might actually believe women are sluts, but they don't treat them that way. Incels on the other hand both believe and treat women like sluts and therefore never get laid.
https://www.twitch.tv/jonzherka/videos?filter=archives&sort=time
Good Luck. Women prefer to be degraded, it just only works for chads. Women don't find simp behaviour to be attractive at all, they find sociopath/manipulative behaviour attractive.

[Anonymous No.19440624]

>>19439476
Agreed. One must be careful not to fall into absolutes when discussing the human male-female dynamic, a nuanced approach bolstered by earnest statistical analysis is the way forward towards engineering a better future for all humans interested in societal development and biological reproduction.

[Anonymous No.19440670]

>>19439549
>>19439567
I find it humorous that the he tries to say that women aren't aesthetically beautifully while admitting men find their aesthetic quite wonderful to the eyes enough to feel aroused.
Really its chest beating to try and ignore his own failings in personality and character. I've seen many plain to ugly looking men well into decades long relationships with his spouse into old age. Hell, I have 3 of these couples living in col de sac all above 70 and having been married for over 4 decades.
Though I don't hate incels. Something very terrible had to have happened in their lives to lead to such resentment and I only pray they find the right person to lead each one onto happier lives.

[Anonymous No.19440679]

>>19436708
>Women say they want one thing (men that show emotion) but they are biologically attracted to the opposite.
Women only say that because they are particularly adept at emotional manipulation. Why wouldn't they want the ability to control men (who are on average much physically stronger than them) with such things as theatrics and dishonest language use?

[Anonymous No.19440688]

>>19440581
Women want someone to take control of them.

[Anonymous No.19440720]

>>19437889

[Anonymous No.19440762]

>>19440688

They don't want "someone" (read: "someone, anyone") to take control of them. They want a specific sort of person to take control of them. You know who.

[Anonymous No.19440782]

>>19436381

[Anonymous No.19440788]

>>19436647
Most good musicians from the past 10 years are women

[Anonymous No.19440793]

>>19436647
To be fair women ARE terrible at everything in life, especially being likable and acting human.

[Anonymous No.19440851]

People show their true selves during times of hardship, and in centuries past life for most people was filled with more mundane hardships. And so men saw women for the physically, morally, spiritually lacking creatures they were, and misogyny was commonplace. Only in the relative comfort of the developed world can women hide their nature and appear equal to males, because they are never forced to make hard decisions or take serious action. You can have a discussion with a woman in your comfy economic zone right now about her beliefs and she'll almost seem human, but introduce an extreme trial into her life like let's say sudden poverty and a cowardly, lustful, pernicious, frail, and spiteful goblin will unfold before you.

This is why they hated women back then and why third worlders do today.

>but schope wasn't poor so why didn't he live under the same illusion that afflicts firsties who don't suffer today?

I'm sure he saw plenty of reasons not to first hand, but also since misogyny was so common among the vast majority of rabble males it would still trickle up to the wealthy.

[Anonymous No.19440867]

mommy issues

[Anonymous No.19440881]

>>19436369
>>19436373
you dont need to read schope to know he is right judging from the quotes

[Anonymous No.19440883]

>>19440851

You have incorrectly pathologized misogyny as if it were somehow false, as if it were somehow only "that stupid attitude that plebeian men men adopt", or similar.

[Anonymous No.19440900]

>>19440883
wut, my post was like the exact opposite of that. why should you respect the goblin. although it is true that a lot of misogyny is unfounded, because there are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to hate women but people pick a bunch of dumb ones like
>no good women authors!

Instant brainlet status for anybody who says this is in 2021. Sadly it's a common sentiment on /lit/!

[Anonymous No.19440904]

>>19440679

This very point is called "dissimulation" in the central essay's (On Women) language. I wonder if anyone will discuss the Four-fold stuff or World as Will and Whatever, nah, the thread has run its course. Anyway his signature was beautiful.

[Anonymous No.19440911]

>>19440900

Apologies, I selectively read your latter language at-a-glance. Upon closer analysis it turns out that you got women right in the longer first graph, and also explain why poorer populations resent women's weakness-because they can't afford it, because they feel it as the real cost that it is (their physical weakness, the incapacitation during pregnancy).

[Anonymous No.19440979]

>>19436425
Madison Grant a Nordicist, childless incel who realized nordic women loved Mediterranean Cock but Nordicist still cope and use his already debunked theories as evidence for superiority.

[Anonymous No.19441176]

>>19438769
My favorite band is Jamiroquai.

[Anonymous No.19441179]

>>19440788
Hahahahahahahahahagagagagahahahaha the last 10 years hahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[Anonymous No.19441184]

>>19440788
If this isn't bait I'll unironically kill myself

[Anonymous No.19441190]

>>19436369
they're accurate today. in fact On Women may be the best essay ever written
>timeless
>ambitious (seeks to explain a huge part of life)
>informed by relevant and tastefully utilized quotations from canonical writers
>humorous
>200 proof truth
if I could get away with it I'd assign it in philosophy 101. hell, English 101. it's just perfect writing

[Anonymous No.19441192]

>talk shit publicly about Hegel and how he's a charlatan
>Hegel despite this gives him a position at his university because he can put their personal quarrel aside because he respects what Schop is doing
>Schopenhauer continues to write personal attacks on Hegel
Almost as if the bitter pessimist was going to keep on being bitter

[Anonymous No.19441197]

>>19441184
To be fair music has been dead since the telecommunications act of 1996 and zoomers are too young to know any different. The only good band of the last 10 years I can think of is polyphia and they cheat and use a midi to write with then just memorize the runs.

[Anonymous No.19441201]

>>19441179
>>19441184
>seething this much that women make good music

[Anonymous No.19441202]

>>19441192
Hegel is gay and so was husserl

[Anonymous No.19441205]

>>19437408
>>19437388
truthposts

[Anonymous No.19441233]

>>19441201
Like what, there is no chick bill evans

[Anonymous No.19441258]

>>19436928
Break the sentence into chunks and analyse each chunk in isolation first. You might guess where the chunks are but get it wrong and the sentence won’t make sense. Try again. With practise you won’t need to do this and it will flow naturally.

It is only (the man whose intellect is clouded by his sexual impulses) that could give the name of (the fair sex) to (that under-sized, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped, and short-legged race); for the whole beauty of the sex is bound up with this impulse.

Simplified: Who could call the narrow shouldered gender the “fairer sex”? Only the man who’s intellect is clouded by sexual impulse.

[Anonymous No.19441279]

>>19436647
music's the one where they have a chance. also a woman's body is literally a musical instrument; you can't compose opera without sopranos and altos
>>19441233
not him and yeah women overall are less artistic but Joni Mitchell could easily be the best rock singer/songwriter, every bit as good as Dylan, Neil Young, etc.

[Anonymous No.19441282]

>>19439549
Not that anon, but generally all my ideas about women came from my own personal experience and observations, only then I started to pay attention at what philosophers had to say about them, and some of them made a lot of convincing arguments. I think that's the case for most people. No one forms their opinion on the opposite sex by reading Plato or Schopenhauer first lol

[Anonymous No.19441304]

>>19439780
Exactly this. That's because instinctively we know women are not as transparent and honest as men are in general. You only see the mask they present to you and can't get a quick idea of what type of person they are. On the other hand you can get a general idea of what some dude is about relatively quickly because he's not trying to hide it (unless he's some sort of psychopath, but that's the exception). So you can never (or at least should never) relax around them, can't lower your guard.

[Anonymous No.19441454]

>>19441279
Lmao bob dylan is fucking atrocious and so is neil young. Neither could sing for shit or play guitar. Do you fall for every boomer meme?

[Anonymous No.19441491]

>>19441304
Also men have evolved a disposition of sympathy toward women vs. men. It is very difficult for cognitive knowledge to overcome that raw instinctive drive, even for those who can analytically see through it.

[Anonymous No.19441501]

>>19440979
What

[Anonymous No.19441506]

>>19441501
It's most likely a bot. This website is chock full of them.

[Anonymous No.19441535]

>>19441491
>love from Kazakhstan

[Anonymous No.19441553]

>>19436369
>Was he ever faulted by a woman?
He was fucking BORN, so what do you think?

[Anonymous No.19441616]

>>19441491
Yeah, that's a pretty big factor too. You really have to maintain the mental struggle to fight those instincts, it's not easy.

[Anonymous No.19441770]

>>19441192
>because he respects what Schop is doing
Hegel probably didn't read a page of Schop

[Anonymous No.19441802]

>>19439549
Sounds like someone has never had a relationship with a woman

[Anonymous No.19441803]

>>19441501
>>19441506
He means that men instinctively are sympathetic toward women because we see them as weak and helpless because physically they are weak and helpless. And even in the courts this is hardwired into society. Women always get less punishment for their misdeeds and they are allowed to be a Carmen Soprano and get off with nothing. However when dealing with them be sure to bring your whip because they are conniving sneaks with their own motivations. He is saying it is difficult to actually see them as equals. His phrasing was opaque though.

[Anonymous No.19441829]

>>19441491
Kids do this too. Everyone can do this.

[Anonymous No.19441856]

>>19437889
too based for this world and the next

[Anonymous No.19441862]

Somebody post that image of a quote from every single great philosopher that has ever lived criticising women

[Anonymous No.19441868]

>>19436450
>Women are objectively uglier than men
t. Mishima enthusiast

[Anonymous No.19441887]

Everything good that has ever happened to this world came from a grumpy genius who was smart enough to invent, fix, describe, or prescribe a solution to a problem everyone else was to femininely contented and complacent with to even admit.

[Anonymous No.19441891]

>>19436369
German women are overbearing sometimes.

>were his views on women considered accurate during his time?
Among non-pozzed men, yes.

[Anonymous No.19441894]

>>19441891
>German womyn
More estrogen more problems

[Anonymous No.19441895]

>>19439549
This roastie's toasted!

[Anonymous No.19441906]

>>19441491
>>19441501
I do it easily and I have always been grumpy with the rest of mankind. It actually allows me to be gentler with women but if more could do it in unanimous unshakeable consensus beyond brevity, then women would be angels. This is what happens in a religious community when everyone pitches in some Mana for meaning. If only people could tribally do it consciously rather than rotely. We're going to evolve into more apelike beasts if we don't. You're kidding yourself if you're willing to put up with a beautiful woman's bullshit and won't reward a less beautiful woman for her lack of bullshit. Putt your money I mean your dick where your mouth is and breed us the way out of this hell (diduseewatididthere)

[Anonymous No.19441920]

>>19436381
T. Coomer simp

[BUDDHA'S BALLS No.19441942]

>>19437176
This. Be a monk and be smart by yourself. I'm on a whole different timeline as a renunciant. Beyond nofap don't even give woman a kindling of sexual leniency even during morning wood in the mildest fetters of your mental waves. Completely on a path. Completely forgetting about sensual pleasure altogether not even averse to it as the entry level ascetics. Then you're even more trust worthy than the "gay friend". You're the harmless Manlet or spiritual Manlet. As for me I am tall but I spiritually imagine myself as my Manlet master teacher who cannot get women and I convince myself to not even dream of their affection. When I am showered in female attention and affection it is like water off a duck's back not like drunken nectar on a spiderweb. I must do this until our species learns to stop being slaves to genitalia and a strong dominant species emerges that is wholly holistically conscious.

[Anonymous No.19441962]

>>19441942
>just make every single man in the world reach enlightenment

Never gonna work, Tim. At least the sexbot revolution seems more believable as a way to break from this pattern.

[Anonymous No.19441972]

>>19441192
What a nice guy. Schop as brilliant as he was, was a terrible person. I love the Murdoch Murdoch episode that shows him whining on Waiting For the Superman. Murdoch (the archetypal zoomer), flips out on Schopey being an insufferable buzzkill.

[Anonymous No.19441988]

>>19441894
Just admit you're gay already.

[Anonymous No.19441989]

>>19441962
Every single man in a tight knit genetic lineage, not the world. Unlike the monks, I have worldly ambitions that require decades of accumulation and discipline. I can tame my desires with defferal of gratification instead of absolution. Honestly I want these lads to be polygamist Muslim Mongol Khans on the world stage. Solomons. I just sense that this is a good task given what is available and I can impersonally and personally contribute to this great goal selflessly and maybe be rewarded selfishly. I am flirting with the future set of clearly defined women. It is a long winded way to recover what I had and lost. Basically Guenon and Schmitt are my Master Manlet Arahats right now.

[Anonymous No.19441990]

>>19441962
Genetically engineered giga chad sons produced by artificial wombs and raised by responsible well programmed robo waifu/mothers is the only way forward. Women are going to become entirely obsolete in the near future and only a small stable breeding population of the highest quality stock will be kept around in case of a catastrophic systems failure that could render the artificial womb system inoperable.

[ISLAMIC BUDDHA No.19441994]

>>19441990
This but with neuralink

[Anonymous No.19442004]

>>19439549
You're making the mistake of associating any criticism of women to incel bitterness and automatically dismissing it. I hope you're happy with your girlfriend, anon. I really do. It's not up to me to tell you that you HAVE to take the redpill here, specially if that's only going to make you miserable. On the other hand, if things turn sour in the future, you have only yourself to blame. I don't know what's worse: to deceive myself just enough so I at least can tolerate a relationship with a woman or being completely aware of the nature of women.

[Anonymous No.19442013]

>>19441989
>>19441990
So you're basically starting some bizarro Bene Gesserit program?

[Anonymous No.19442028]

>>19442013
No. I'm just gonna be sane and well accompanied in clown world and the difficulty of that task itself will summon bizarre relics to me. Though I am far sighted what I have said will become obvious down the road for reactionaries.

[Anonymous No.19442032]

>>19442013
Yes but it will automatically be ten times better than the Bene Gesserit because men are cooler.

[Anonymous No.19442035]

>>19442028
Actually I take that back. I googled it. >>19442013
What you call the Dune mumbo jumbo is actually just the Berg Mother Virgins of the Flame temple of Psychic ProtoIndoEuropean women described in every page of the Oera Linda. So yes. Let's do it.

[Anonymous No.19442043]

>>19442035
>>19442028
I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about, but hey man, follow your dreams.

>>19442032
Even those old cunts of the Bene Gesserit knew that the chosen one had to be a man.

[Anonymous No.19442053]

It's funny how people don't realize that yes, indeed incels will probably have a negative opinion on woman; but don't you fuckers realize that perhaps because they are incels and are left outside the bullshit arena of sexual warfare they manage to accept or see a truth about it that people engaged cannot?

[Anonymous No.19442066]

>>19442053
They are not impartial in this matter either. A great number of them reach conclusions fueled by bitterness, jealously etc. It's basically the fox and the grapes. That of course doesn't mean all they say is wrong, I'm just saying it's much more convincing when the same arguments come from CHADS that reached the same conclusions.

[Anonymous No.19442077]

>>19442035
We must be ordained by AI ministers
https://youtu.be/Cl57NQ6GcF8

[GPT-5 No.19442104]

>>19442077
2024
GNU/God
/g/et on it

[Anonymous No.19442244]

>>19439549
Hahahahahahahahqhqhqhqjqhahahahhahaahaha roastie need some au ju

[Anonymous No.19442292]

>>19439427
Are you joking? I would say maybe on average but not at the peak of the spectrum.

[Anonymous No.19442365]

>>19441282
No, your ideas came from the mediation of your experience with your inability to see past your trauma and the propagation of ugly ideas from places like this. I never implied that these ideas began by reading ancient philosophy and if you somehow got that from my post than theres also an argument to be made about how much you miss given your reading level.
>>19442004
>You're making the mistake of associating any criticism of women to incel bitterness and automatically dismissing it.
No i'm fucking not. I very clearly said there is an issue of narcism that is encouraged within feminine culture. Women are going to have to take responsibility here eventually. You are literally just an NPC rattling off the criticism you've seen made from other people like yourself. You are literally in a safe space just as meaningless as those SJWs you hate so much.
>On the other hand, if things turn sour in the future, you have only yourself to blame. I don't know what's worse: to deceive myself just enough so I at least can tolerate a relationship with a woman or being completely aware of the nature of women.
I cannot imagine living like this. I only have myself to blame? for what? Wanting to be with the opposite sex? Does it bother you to be so against your nature of wanting women and yet having nothing within yourself to change the fact? Why are you so fucking perfect that women need to desire you?


The total irony of all of this is that here, on a supposed literature board, the threads which are given the most attention are circle jerks like this. No critical thinking. No discussion.

[Anonymous No.19442415]

>>19436369
>>19436381
His mother tried to kick him down a stairs so he got the incel pill. He's an academic incel forum poster before internet existed

[Anonymous No.19442565]

>>19442415
Whoa that makes him like an avatar

[Anonymous No.19442577]

>>19442365
>The total irony of all of this is that here, on a supposed literature board, the threads which are given the most attention are circle jerks like this. No critical thinking. No discussion.
I tried posting on 4chan OP threads related to content from the sticky. I have not found a board outside /diy/ that is attentive enough to have a conversation flow. On slow boards that are good I see threads slow enough effort posts accumulate over time. On fast boards there's a good rally of shit post predictably reliably guided by the effortful returners and daily thread repeaters. But /lit/ is in that nasty middle ground where effort posting is ground into 404 fast but shit posting is too slow for keks and bants.

[Anonymous No.19442616]

How many times do i have to shill Weininger? i'm not going to be here forever (hopefully), you know?

[Anonymous No.19442716]

>>19442365
>I only have myself to blame? for what? Wanting to be with the opposite sex?

Yes. For surrendering to your basic instincts and desires at the cost of better judgement. Hey, it's your life.

[Anonymous No.19442785]

>>19442716
You're so retarded you can't even use your judgement to make a critical argument in response to my post. I've raised several points that you could dispute, but you choose to act like a literal NPC.
What the fuck is "better judgement"? Is it actually preferable to live a resentful, miserable existence, constantly triggered because women enjoy taking pictures of themselves?
Why are YOU so above base instinct? Have you ever thought critically for a moment that perhaps remaining in a perpetual cycle of anger and resentment is animalistic and just as much a factor of desire as anything else? You "desire" women to be different, you "desire" yourself to be different. How do you get to such a point that you can actually say without a shred of irony that somehow my living with my girlfriend is surrendering better judgement? The very insanity of your position is proven by how incapable you are of arguing it. I literally predicated that one of (you) would reply just in this way. You can't deny that you're just bitter from rejection and incapable of moving past it so you just switch the goalposts and say that I'M the one who doesn't understand. Sure thing.
I barely even want to engage anymore. I would just encourage you to actually read something that would actually make you think critically of the world.

[Anonymous No.19442814]

>>19442785
The real irony is that you seem to be the most emotionally unstable and insecure person in this thread, resorting to personal attacks directed to posts that calmly and politely expressed their views on women. It's not so different from the incel stereotype you seem to despise. Now you're unironically recommending feminist literature.

[Anonymous No.19442830]

>>19442785
>tired of tumblr feminism that ignores the ugly realities of class inequalities and capitalism?

So the cucked male feminist is also a lefty. No one could have predicted this. NO ONE.

[Anonymous No.19442835]

>>19442785
Nice. I recommend you read all of the Vedas Unabridged Commentary by Colin Powell

[Anonymous No.19442838]

>>19442785
Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.19442853]

>>19442814
from a leftypol list nevertheless

[Anonymous No.19442854]

>>19442785
You're a funny whatever the fuck you are (roastie? onion muncher?)

[Anonymous No.19442883]

You can always bet the thread's going to be a dumpster fire when Schop even gets mentioned. They just can't help but humiliate themselves.

[Anonymous No.19442889]

>>19442883
Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Just learn when to stop, my dude.

[Anonymous No.19442904]

>>19442814
>resorting to personal attacks directed to posts that calmly and politely expressed their views on women.
I swear at you idiots because that is the mode of this board. Get over it. Also many people were rude to me too. Not surprising I have to keep explaining to you how to use your eyes. For my own part, AGAIN, I see literally zero arguments made "politely expressing views on women." How do you in any capacity see this?
I replied to >>19439203 here >>19439549 by saying that its stupid to reduce very complicated things to math formulas and the ideas of ancient philosophers. I raised many points: the likelihood that he is simply resentful, has been conditioned by porn, the incapability of men in expressing emotional experience and how much he could learn from them because of this inhibition. None of these were addressed. I even raised the truth that yes women are encouraged to be narcissistic which, among all my other points, was completely missed by this anon >>19442004
I restated many of my previous points while raising new ones here >>19442365
about how completely hypocritical the position was and then was given this reply >>19442716 which is an actual insult to reason and discourse because he literally expects me to just accept facts with zero elaboration.

Do you not see how ironic it is that you're resorting to personal attacks instead of addressing my points?

[Anonymous No.19442930]

>>19442904
This is all a waste of my time. If anything its hypocritical of me to engage when I could be actually reading. Admit it you don't fucking read anything. You're posturing by idly scrolling through this board is no different than how you claim women idly scroll through instagram.