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Never preordered a book before. This just came in the mail. What am I in for?

>> No.19401549

Good stuff. Everyone’s got an opinion on their angles, but it’s good to hear. Like Zinn

>> No.19402416

>>19401488
Someone trying to take credit for everything by putting it all in the same pot.

>> No.19402487

Essay length content stretched into a book.

>> No.19402493

>>19402416
What do you mean by this?

>> No.19402515 [DELETED] 

>reimagining history
Probably commie/kike drivel

>> No.19402531

>>19402515
It's Graeber, so duh.

>> No.19402599

>>19402487
Essay length chapters till a book was filled.

>>19402515
Not imagined. Details brought back to light. Challenge it. Where is any of it imaginary?

>> No.19402689

>>19402599
Hello Wengrow. Suck my dick.

>> No.19402777

>>19401488
Isn't that the same guy who made a bullshit theory about bullshit jobs which he claimed were not useful even though usefulness is a relative concept that depends on the inner necessities of closed systems and those jobs are very useful within our system?
If so, you're probably in for a bullshit book written by a bullshit "intellectual".

>> No.19402827

>>19401488
>David Graeber
So he is still publishing books even now that he is dead?
Even covid can't stop this anarcho-communist?

>> No.19402847

>>19402777
>those jobs are very useful within our system
>he doesn't know
Wasted trips too

>> No.19402956

>>19402777
No. Try reading the book before trying to denigrate it again, ‘kay.

>>19402827
The book has a co-author. More than we can say for DFWs publishers pushing out an unfinished piece from him years after his death

>> No.19403223

>>19402777
Do you seriously not agree with the central thesis of bullshit jobs?

Most jobs, like 90%, are unironic make work welfare grifting operations.

>> No.19403379

I am a hardcover kinda guy who prefers physical books over ebooks but even I would never pay money for this book. I downloaded it for free as an audio-book and it failed to impress me so far.

>> No.19403790

This book literally came out yesterday and is 700+ pages. I love everyone pretending to have an opinion. /lit/ truly is a bunch of psudes.

>> No.19403822

>>19403790
i got it on bok like a month ago.
its a fucking terrible book
(in otherwords i disagree with it)

>> No.19403889

>>19402777
Have not even read the book, but it seems obvious that many jobs don't add a lot of value to the world. We could fire half the people at my job and things would still function because 90% of the actual work(building, sales, support) is done by a hand full of people. Not saying that we should fire everyone, I bet there are good market reasons for their existence, but it makes me sad that we seem to have an increase in managers and HR people over time, and not less, as we have the technology to allow fewer people to do the job of many. Seems like early companies rely on having excellent people do good work, and older companies try to systematize their success as great people become become a small percentage of your company ad alienated from their work.

>> No.19403920

>>19403223
as a leftist shouldn't he be happy that people are getting paid for 40 hours of work for a job that only really takes 15? i didn't now anarchists were such slave drivers!

>> No.19403959

>>19401488
>Bregman
>Taleb
into the trizzash 'tgoes

>> No.19404374

>>19401488
Why do you pre order a book without knowing what you're in for? Are you retarded? Then yes it's probably a good book for you.
>>19402515
>>19403959
This

>> No.19404398

>>19401488
Oh look, another leftist who has discovered a new "theory of everything".

>> No.19405658

>>19404374
Lmao a post calling out Graeber's early life section was removed

>> No.19405690

>>19402777
Kek. This just sounds like a middle-management office worker cope

>> No.19406047

>>19403822
care to expand?

>> No.19407385

>>19405658
Looks like it was deleted for racism.

>>19406047
He had bok installed just a month ago. Bok is a series of tubes

>> No.19408993

Bump. Book is good so far. Argument is basically the enlightenment came from native Americans.

>> No.19409037

>>19403920
I know you are baiting, but like seriously just fucking read the book.

>> No.19409043

>>19403223
He can't be happy or sad because he's dead now

>> No.19409961

>>19402777
>Isn't that the same guy who made a bullshit theory about bullshit jobs which he claimed were not useful even though usefulness is a relative concept that depends on the inner necessities of closed systems and those jobs are very useful within our system?
Yes.

>> No.19409968

>>19407385
What is racist about noticing someone is of a certain ethnic group? Noticing you're a tranny doesn't make me transphobic.

>> No.19409975

>>19408993
>the enlightenment came from native Americans.
lmao

>> No.19411638

>>19402777
>usefulness is a relative concept that depends on the inner necessities of closed systems and those jobs are very useful within our system

You really thought you'd done something with this sentence huh?

>> No.19411696

>>19401488
Preordered it too and haven't read it either.

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>>19411638
lmfao

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>>19402777
sorry bro, your job is utterly meaningless and you are easily replaceable. your dad lied to u. accept it, deal with it

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How does it compare with this?

>> No.19413117

Graeber was a Jewish traitor
That's why he had to go

>> No.19413198

>>19413068
I don’t think Jared Diamond would like it.
It’s more Howard Zinn and Peter Kuznick’s speed

>> No.19413276

>>19401488
Sounds gay. Who reads shit like this written by some “radical anarchist” who worked at big Universities?

>> No.19413303

>>19408993
Lmfao do anarchoids really?

>> No.19413333

>>19401488
>hunter gatherer pepo were so advanced and weren’t primitive at all
>that’s why they all abandoned the way of life or got steamrolled by agriculturalists or mounted nomads

>> No.19413342

>>19413303
Care to see what is meant?
https://youtu.be/EvUzdJSK4x8
Only about an hour of your time

>> No.19413361

>>19413333
Are you one of those neoliberal posters that are unironically happy with the progress being made in this pomo burgerpunk bullshit world?

>> No.19413390

>>19413361
I’m a anti capitalist nationalist so no lol. I just think hunter gatherer fetishisers are annoying just like steppenigger lovers.

>> No.19413422

>>19413390
So you’re for restoring a statist economy and stripping freedoms from all but the elites. Because they’re going to want their freedom to exploit like the rest of the soldiers that get this new-old nightmare of yours up and running. Probably resort to bribery and reestablish a merchant class of capitalists all over again.

>> No.19413448

>>19413422
>stripping freedoms from all but the elites
So, what happened in Catalonia and Ukraine? I guess the elites there weren’t military elites though, but rather People’s democratic freedom leaders or whatever.

>> No.19413474

>>19413448
This is how that class will react to the new anti capitalist state. They’ll endure for a time, but they will use money to corrupt their way back into power.

>> No.19413489

im 100 pages in, very fascinating if a little long-winded. actually im very happy with how readable it is compared to graeber's poorly copy edited debt: the first 5000 years. very good-humored with lots of juicy primary sources. excited to read more about the virgin western enlightenment vs. the chad kandiaronk.

>> No.19413500

>>19413474
>corruption exists
Wow nationalism debunked. You can use this as an argument against any political idea. I’d say nationalist systems are way better at rooting it out though. Look at corruption in China vs the West. Here it’s totally formalized into ‘lobbying’ whereas in China they’re actively trying to destroy it.

>> No.19413541

>>19413500
China is very unfree.
So there’s the standard that nationalists usually look up to in ancient Rome. Also something that seesawed through ages of corruption and unfreedom.
Take money out of the society, and I know it has to be a very conscious effort, and you lose that corruption.

>> No.19413597

>>19413489
Based poster who has actually started reading it. I enjoyed the ideas in Debt, but for sure this one seems like the fact that it’s 2 authors really helped get points across clearly.

>> No.19414376

>>19413541
Retarded take. Whatever replaces money for bartering (whether it be services, actual goods, crypto) will still alow for corruption. How do you imagine you change human nature without limiting freedom?

>> No.19414931

>>19414376
This take is hilarious because that’s exactly the field of inquiry Graeber makes in 5000 years of debt.

>> No.19415111

How is he writing from the grave? O.o