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How does that make you feel?

>> No.1939635

...like the emotion of seeing yet another empty storefront not contributing to the tax base of my city? WTF am I suppose to feel, it couldn't compete, ergo it sank.

Only whiny-ass liberals would find meaning in that. Conservatives would try to find a way to ban pornography and rally against abortion. Me, I just declare the other two stupid and say "fuck off".

>> No.1939637

Since they died I have found that the nearby Dymocks has a far greater range of the weird shit that I usually have to venture to out-of-the-way bookshops to find.

Tonight I went there and found Tank Girl, a cult 80's comic you'd normally have to go online to find. My gob was indeed, smacked.

I still love you, Pulp Fiction. I am more than willing to spend more there for your Black Books atmosphere and extensive horror section.

>> No.1939640

>>1939635
Did you read Ayn Rand like, ten minutes ago?

>> No.1939642

>>1939640
Either that, or it's the only author he had invested interest. Still piss-awful regardless.

>> No.1939646

>How does that make you feel?

Indifferent, I live in the UK and have 5 independent bookshops within a ten minute walking distance. And if I don't fancy a walk: #bookz.

>> No.1939648

>>1939635

The important thing is that you found a way to feel superior to both.

>> No.1939661

It feels like maybe books aren't as popular as I thought.

>> No.1939664

It actually worked out quite well for me since I generally go to what is known as a 'library' or buy online if I really want to own the book, but due to their closing they had a sale - $30 for 10 books - and I stocked up.
>everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg.pdf.exe.avi

>> No.1939670

Is it closed internationally? Or just in the States?

>> No.1939671

>>1939670
GONE IN AUSTRALIA TOO

>> No.1939687

>>1939671
So we're good here in NZ?

As if I don't just use the library that's 5 minutes walk from my apartment, and the university library that's 5 minutes walk from work.

>> No.1939713

I buy nearly all my books in second hand bookstores, although I do buy some books new.

>> No.1939800

I don't know where you folks are, but I'm on the east coast USA in a major metropolitan area. All the independent bookstores are vanished. And now the used bookstores seem to be vanishing, too: they've all moved to teh internets. With Borders folding, there's honestly nothing left in this area except Barnes and Noble.

This is really fucking depressing to me. I mean, it's one thing when suddenly there were no more Travel Agencies because nobody in their right mind wanted to pay somebody to book plane tickets that you could book for yourself online.

But bookstores are a SOCIAL experience, unlike plane tickets. I know I can find any book I want online, either from amazon or alibris. I have known that for years. That has nothing to do with why I liked to stop by the Borders near me a couple of times a week.

feelsbadman.jpg

>> No.1939806

>>1939800
I live in a city on the east coast, in the southern states no less, and there are 3 very nice independent bookstores that I can think of and go to regularly. I really doubt that there is nowhere to buy a book in your city--and there is always the library..maybe if more people went and actually checked out some books then the pissant Libertarian movement wouldn't get so much support when they want public libraries closed.

>> No.1939815

I live in Ann Arbor, MI, where the flagship store is. It's still pretty popular.

>> No.1939835

>>1939815
did you see how they're already preparing for liquidation? shit sucks, man. First the Shaman Drum and now this.

>> No.1939879

The borders in my town closed ages ago. It was pretty much the shittiest in terms of atmosphere and selection as far as chain stores go.

>> No.1940753

The Borders here in NYC looks like it's fine. I was just there a few days ago...

>> No.1940765

Hipsters. Hipsters everywhere.

>> No.1940780

I wouldn't be mad if it wasn't the only fucking bookstore in a 50 mile radius in this suburban shithole and the closing means I will now have to buy literally everything I read from Amazon.

That's also the public library's fault for having nothing but computers, encyclopedias and 'young adult' vampire novels.

>> No.1940910

pretty sad. loved borders, hated barnes. i stole so much from borders though, and i will miss the fun i had with that.

>> No.1940924

Feels bad, man. Feels really really bad.

>> No.1940946

>>1939800
Baltimore?

>> No.1940948

So, wait... Is it confirmed that ALL borders are closing?
Like, if I run to the Borders in the city everything will be on sale?

>> No.1940954

>2011
>buying new books in stores

>> No.1940959

>>1939800
The Strand Book store in NYC is still doing good business. Was just in there a few weeks ago.

>> No.1940960

>>1940948
Yes, Borders couldn't find a buyer. They are closing their stores. I'm not sure about their online operation though.

>> No.1940977

>>1940960
Can I have a link to confirm this? All the links I find are from way back in February...

>> No.1940996

Yeah they are done- I am thinking of seeing if I could buy a shitload of books cheap and opening a small bookstore

>> No.1941015

>>1940977
God rest its soul.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303661904576454353768550280.html

>> No.1941083

>>1939800
People rather pay 2-10$/€/£ less and get it in a few days with free shipping

Sure I drop by the bookstore every now and then but most of the time the prices are just a tad to high

How dare they try to make profit

>> No.1941088

Makes me sad as Borders is the only bookstore that isn't 30-45 minutes away from me. Oh well, guess I'll be ordering from Amazon.

>> No.1941100

The books business is moving online, no need to fret about the intellectual decline of America or whatever it is you're trying to suggest.

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>buying books

>> No.1941106

Borders fucked up when they opened shitty little stores that made no money and when they downsized their cafes with all shitty preprepared food. Plus they hired a lot of alternative lifestyle retards.

>> No.1941118

>>1939661
Books are a loss leader for stores like that- they make their money on crappy coffee and overpriced pastries

>> No.1941120

Middle-of-nowhere, MD Borders still open out here. Still open long enough for me to make use of my Borders Bucks too.
And I genuinely like the place. Would be a shame to see it tank.

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>mfw everyone who goes to my college is weeping about Borders despite a lovely local store within walking distance of campus and Amazon.com

Buying new books at the Borders markup is full retard. Get them used, discounted on Amazon, or in digital form.

If you still need to get shiny-new, then Barnes and Noble doesn't mark up as much and generally their stores have a better selection. I was not surprised.

>> No.1941132

The only independent bookstores where I live are christian book stores. I've honestly never been in one so I don't know if they sell anything besides christian related literature.

>> No.1941135

>Buying books in store
You mght find something nice during (what we have in sweden) the national sale, but the markups are crazy, get it online

And why do you care? You're after the book, not the whole ~experience~

>> No.1941168

So some fucken company weasels a monopoly (Amazon and Walmart immediately come to mind) sucks the air out of the market, slow-but-sure wholesale slaughter of the competition, with the new ability to dictate how producers bring things to market since they are now the only game in town/country.

I'm as "free-market economy" as the next moderate conservative but this shit reeks of anti-competition, ANTI-JOBS,... Let's talk about stifling innovation when there is, quite literally, a de-facto gatekeeper to a market.

Yea, you want everything cheaper but, guess what, it's coming with a steep price.

Enjoy your career at McDonalds.

(/rant)

>> No.1941183

Not really caring. I've been inside of one borders. It was in LA (not where I live if you can't infer that). Honestly, not overly impressive.

>> No.1941186

Retail stores seldom have what I want and need. Grocery stores are the notable exception. There's a Borders in the yuppy part of town and everything they have is listed at full retail or worse. Their website, however, has stuff marked down by 40-50% in many cases. Why would I bother walking in that store, then?

>> No.1941205

>Go to a bookstore
>Look around
>They don't have any of the titles Im intersted in
>Scurry around for other books
>There are either none or the mark up is too big
>leave the store empty handed

My past 5 visits
I was gonna buy 1Q84 part 1 and 2 but they were 22$ each and id rather wait for a all-3-in-1 book is released

>> No.1941206

At the Borders in Hartford CT the prices were almost always lower than Amazon if you included shipping

>> No.1941236
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1941236

Well now that they are closed, the tea party will shut up about it and we can move towards immigration reform.

>> No.1941253

>>1941168
Amazon had an unfair advantage in a lot of states because they didn't charge sales tax while stores had to.

>> No.1941266

>go into borders
>buy a pot of tea
>sit around and browse through like 20 books
>other than the cheap tea don't buy a goddamned thing
>this is probably all my fault

>> No.1941275

>>1941266
You bastard!!

>> No.1941321

>>1941275
I know. I'm sad. I wish they'd open a cafe in the library, then I wouldn't give two shits.

>> No.1941325

>>1941321
My library has a cafe, but I fucking hate libraries, they're socialist.

>> No.1941330

>>1941266
>tea
>America
That's blasphemy.

>> No.1941333

>>1941325
lucky bastard.

>> No.1941339

>>1941325
>I fucking hate libraries, they're socialist
And buy one get one free offers totally undermine the free market.

>> No.1941341

>>1941330
>Coffee: $4 a cup
>Tea: $2 a pot
The choice seemed obvious...

>> No.1941344

>>1941339
I don't buy things that's capitalist.

I'm strictly a barter anarchist.
I traded 7 chickens, 30 pounds of copper ingot, and a sensual massage for my computer.

>> No.1941346

>>1941344
Was that massage with or without a happy ending?

>> No.1941349

>>1941344

Barter amounts to buying and selling anyway. Read your Marx.

>> No.1941352

>>1941346
Sort of a bittersweet ending.

>> No.1941375

>>1939800
I'm in the same boat at this guy. Though my last couple of outings were unsuccessful, I found quite a few choice titles at Borders in the past (in my experience Borders always had a better selection than B&N) and I always enjoyed the atmosphere.

B&N is pretty much the only bookseller around here, and their selection is pretty unsatisfactory so it looks like I'm going to have to utilize Amazon and bookdepository.

>> No.1941383

I don't go to a store to buy specific books, if I know what I want I order it online, to browse for what catches my fancy I shop at the half price books.

>> No.1941394

well, the stores closing I can deal with, I guess. But in my city, the main Borders was right in the centre of town, in a beautiful old building, and when it was shut it was replaced by a fucking All Saints (a shitty overpriced clothing store). That bugs me a bit, the fact that books and reading basically are not a basis for a sustainable business in our society but clothing is, even though it's so superficial. On the other hand Borders did charge like double the rrp for DVDs and many books can be found elsewhere for cheaper.

>> No.1941430

I only ever went to Borders to sit in the cafe area and study for exams with my friends. I'm not too bothered. I usually shop at Barnes & Noble because I get discounts, and if I can't find a book there then I look online. I'm sure there are better bookstores around but this one is easily accessible by bus (I don't drive).

>> No.1941450

stop selling hardcovers for 10 bucks more when they only cost 50c more to make.

fuck your coffee. comfy chairs are cool though.

stop selling me a book in the public domain for 10 dollars. Got news for you, if its that old the library has it as well.

start appealing to readers not people who like to wear funny glasses and be seen with books.


They deserve to go out of business. Barnes and Noble even moreso, but they are trying to pretend like they are apple or some shit and bank on the nook.

Which btw, is retarded if you aren't some lowlife thief. Spend 15 bucks on a e-book when you can get the regular one from the same place for the same price or get a hard-cover of it from amazon for 5 bucks. Also, wtf exactly are you buying when you buy an e-book? Like, if I own a book, and I download a book, how is that illegal?


TL:DR all non-used book retailers need to burn.

>> No.1941473

>>1941450
>>1941450
>>1941450

50 cents to make? Surely you're a fucktard

How much do you want to pay someone to write the book?
How much do you want to pay someone to design the cover?
How much does it cost to print the book?
How much does it cost to market, distribute and sell the book?
How much does the floor space in your now defunct bookstore cost?

Trollololololol....

>> No.1941484

>>1941473
>stop selling hardcovers for 10 bucks more when they only cost 50c more to make.
> when they only cost 50c more to make.
> more


are you stoned right now?

>> No.1941489

It makes me feel like I have to fight someone! Everytime I step into that pop culture necropolis I hear someone say something hipsterish like "oh, well the book was a lot darker than the film" and it makes me want to kick somebody's teeth in. Also, those bitches don't supply the books I want. I got a fifty dollar gift certificate two years ago, and I got overpriced coffee with it cause they wouldn't order House Of Leaves with it without a major credit card. Borders: I'm commin' fo that ass an' you gonna pay a nigga what you owe.
Sincurly,
The BORDERSline psycho.

>> No.1941492

>>1941450
I resent being called a thief due to my piracy. If I like it I buy it.

>> No.1941522

>>1941492
yeah yeah, on the internet:

all pirates buy their stuff on the internet, they are just trying it... like a demo, or reading a few pages... or legal ways of trying before you buy. Which they don't watn to do because... uh... because they are lazy lowlife theives.

its like how on the internet all stoners buy their weed from some "really cool old hippy who grows it in his basement in an enviromentally friendly and economically non-exploitive way!". Rather then off some skeevy ass dealer/mexican importer. Its a damn mystery how they get money at all!

>> No.1941531

>>1941522
Not paying for something isn't the same as stealing, faggot.

>> No.1941535

>>1941522
With game demos and books you have a point.
However, I exclusively pirate comics and the only way to read a few pages of the GN is to take it out of the plastic, at which point you've bought it.

>> No.1941545

>>1941531
Silly me, i thought taking something without paying for it was stealing. Go pirate a dictionary, bro.

>> No.1941551

>>1941545
I don't pay for sex, but I suppose you'd call that stealing.

>> No.1941572

>>1941551
hurrdurr doesn't know the difference between something consensually given and something taken

>> No.1941577

>>1941572
>thinks of sex as "given"

>> No.1941589

LOL, U MAD PAPERBOOKFAGS?

PAPERBOOKFAG STATUS:
[ ] Told
[ ] Really Told
[X] TOLDASAURUS REX
[X] No country for told men
[X] Knights of the told Republic
[X] Cash4told.com
[X] ToldSpice
[X] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious
[X] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun
[X] GuiTold Hero: World Told
[X] Told King of Boletaria
[X] Countold Strike
[X] Unreal Toldament
[X] Stone-told Steve Austin
[X] Half Life 2: Episode Told
[X] World of Warcraft: Catoldclysm
[X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon
[X] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood
[X] Battletolds
[X] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl
[X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo
[X] Told of Duty 4: Modern Toldfare
[X] Pokemon Told and Silver
[X] Rampage: Toldal Destruction
[X] Told Fortress Classic
[X] Toldman: Arkham Told
[X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told
[X] Super Mario SunTold
[X] Legend of Zelda: Toldacarnia of Time
[X] Toldstone creamery
[X] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour
[X] Super Told Boy
[X] Left 4 Told
[X] Battoldfield: Bad Company 2
[X] Toldman Sachs
[X] Conker's Bad Fur Day: Live and Retolded
[X] Lead and Told: Gangs of the Wild West
[X] Portold 2
[X] Avatold: The Last Airbender
[X] Dragon Ball Z Toldkaichi Budokai
[X] Toldcraft II: Tolds of Toldberty
[X] Leo Toldstoy
[X] Metal Gear Toldid 3: Snake Eater
[X] 3D Dot Told Heroes
[X] Told you that ps3 has no games
[X] LitTOLD Big Planet
[X] Rome: Toldal War
[X] Gran Toldrismo 5
[X] Told Calibur 4
[X] Told Fortress 2
[X] Tic-Tac-Told
[X] Castlevania: RonTold of Blood
[X] Guilty Gear XX Accent Told
[X] Cyndaquil, Chicorita, and Toldodile
[X] was foretold
[X] demon's told
[X] http//:www.youtold.com
[X] Tolden Sun: Dark Dawn
[X] J.R.R Toldkien's Lord of the Told
[X] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told

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>>1941545
>taking something

>> No.1941626

>>1941450
>Like, if I own a book, and I download a book, how is that illegal?
>doesn't understand that COPYright is the right to control production of copies, which internet piracy clearly infringes

>> No.1941634

Makes me want to play Bioshock...

>> No.1941646

It kind of makes me wonder what will replace the borders here, it was next to a bunch of other chain stores like block buster, Target, Old Navy, etc. I hope it's not a fucking wal mart.

>> No.1941670

>>1941489
I bought House of Leaves at Borders, the one near here had like 3 copies at the time, about 4 years ago.

>I never even bothered to read it and probably got ripped off.

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1941874

Sucks for people who used Borders as their bookstore, but I've only gotten shit service both online and in the store in my area, so I don't care.

>> No.1941957

Considering I'm almost exclusively a library fag, and the what I do buy I get at used book stores, I feel pretty indifferent.

>> No.1941961

None in my area. I won't miss it.

>> No.1942443

Conflicted, but a bit sad on the whole. On one hand, I might be able to snag a discounted Kobo Touch. On the other hand, Borders is gone forever.

>> No.1942458

Oh no, a corporation failed. Who gives a flying fuck? I live in Chicago, plenty of independent and used bookstores to choose from.

>> No.1942528

>>1939815
I'm from Toronto but feel like I practically grew up in Ann Arbor from all my trips there as a kid.

That Borders was the first time I really began to enjoy just going to bookstores.

I'll be sad if I go down there in a years time or something and it's gone.

>> No.1942534

I can still steal from B&N.

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1942560

I'm about to move to the Portland area. I'll be fine without a Borders. (I never went there anyway.)

>> No.1942571

THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!!

Fuck YOU Borders.

>> No.1942577

When are people going to get it through their head

The majority of people don't want a one-stop shop for books, they want a place to sit around in giant ass cushion chairs, drink coffee, listen to hipster music all the while being outside of their own house. One a conglomerate understands this, I think they'll make more headway than most US national bookstores combined.

Sure, they can still sell books, but their shelves will instead be filled with new popular releases and series of high reclaim instead of obscure titles which should be left to the -actual- book stores for purchase.

>> No.1942581

>>1942560
Love Powells. Went there almost twice a week a when I lived in Portland.

>> No.1942592

>>1942577
There's got to be a well stocked philosophy section, though.
So douchebags can take women into there and brag.

>> No.1942602

So how well will the going out of business sale be for my local Borders? I missed the one for the Barnes and Noble that closed down, but that place was actually kinda neat since it was inside an old movie theater. Now it's just sitting empty, making the city look even more shit than it already is.

>> No.1942610

>>1942602
first, it will be shit. They'll keep you from buying a bunch of books because they're not allowed to sell them at discount or some shit.

second, squat the building and make it into an infoshop

>> No.1942618

>>1942602
seriously don't bother. In the early stages the discounted prices will still be higher than amazon, and by the time prices are low enough that you might actually get a good deal shit will be picked over so thoroughly that you'd be hard pressed to find something you actually wanted.

>> No.1942641

>>1941874

Wow, pretty bitter. Funny though.

>> No.1942662

>>1942641
I dunno, It kinda kills what little goodwill i had for them. I mean, it's not like they're a locally owned store, so I don't feel that natural sympathy. They're a huge corporation, like amazon. they don't offer the personal touch of a locally owned bookstore, but they charge market price for books... then they whine about how amazon and ebooks are killing them and I'm forced to ask....

so what? why do you deserve to stay in business when you have literally nothing unique to offer over your competition and are objectively worse in the areas I actually care about?

sorry dudes are losing their jobs, and the next time I need to purchase a certain book IMMEDIATELY I'll probably be cursing their absence. Y'know, I'm sure the horse and buggy salesman was pissed off when the automobile was invented too. Certain business models become irrelevant over time.

>> No.1942711

>>1941626
I think the message to take from his post is, e-books take away your first-sale rights. You buy a book you can legally resell it.

>> No.1942730

I'm very upset. Not only has another physical book store gone down, but the literature market is starting to be an increasingly smaller oligopoly. There will be a point when everybody but Amazon will stand.

Also, I work at Oxfam Bookshop.

>> No.1942763

Don't even think they had a Borders in my area anyway...I'll make due with Books-A-Million, B&N, and the few local places around here...

>> No.1942801

It was around April when I went to a local closing Borders. I was disgusted by all the fat middle-aged women scrounging the shelves for pulp romance novels. I contemplated shoplifting, but there were way too many people and workers frantically walking about. Plus, the books were cheap lol

>> No.1942831

The one I went to in Australia was terrible. Overpriced, bad selection, and they encouraged people to browse through books without buying them meaning that they would essentially sell used books at the price of a new one.

>> No.1942873

Completely indifferent. There are half a dozen used book stores within walking distance of me, all of which carry some amazing stuff (one of them has an off-site warehouse with several tens of thousands of titles) and none of which have confused being a bookstore with being a glorified coffee shop. And if I DO want to read books for free while drinking some coffee, there're two B&Ns within ten miles of me with better selections than Borders' bargain bin-level shit and more helpful staff (not to mention a nicer browsing experience - Borders always felt like the Walmart of books, all overstock shelves, chintzy furniture and glaring lights).

Or, you know, the three libraries in easy walking distance. And I'm in fuckin' "fly-over country". U mad, eastcoastfags?

>> No.1942877

Neckbeard Nostalgia

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Barnes and Nobles is better. Books a Million is by far the worst..."thanks a million for shopping at Books a Million!"

These days I do most of my shopping through Amazon anyway. If I wanted coffee and a relaxing experience I'll go to fucking Starbucks.

>> No.1942917

>>1942897
Except Starbucks sucks. Not the coffee. That's fine. The experience is far from relaxing.

>> No.1942930

>>1942917
the name for the type of roasting starbucks does is "total black" and basically they burn the shit out of the beans so that its uniformly bitter and you cant taste anything else

its terrible coffee, worse than like supermarket coffee

>> No.1942941

>>1942930
Well, I wouldn't put it higher than diner coffee, but it's alright. Honestly, I don't drink it much.

>> No.1942946

Can't wait for the same thing to happen to Waterstones.

>> No.1942953

>>1942941
yeah, maybe I was exaggerating. I guess what I really meant was that starbucks coffee isn't "special" in the way that I hear some people say. It's like mcdonalds hamburgers. they're serviceable hamburgers, they do the job, they're not truly terrible, but its silly to rave about how delicious they are.

starbucks fans are like dudes who have never eaten a handmade grilled hamburger and just wont shut up about mcdoubles.

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>>1942917
>>1942930
You know what, I'm glad we had this talk. I've been alternating between going to random indie coffee shops and the big chains like CBTL, Starbucks, and Seattle's Best. Sometimes the big chains are better. Just because its a corporation doesn't mean they don't do a better job with their product than some mom and pop place. If this makes me a corporate tool, so be it.

Sometimes the mom and pop places don't give a shit. They have terrible service and subpar drinks. They deserve to get run out of business by the big guys.

As far as the relaxing atmosphere, it depends on what store you go. Generally the more places to sit (nooks/couches) the better it will be.

>> No.1942963

>>1942958
>Just because its a corporation doesn't mean they don't do a better job with their product than some mom and pop place

okay, but seriously. standard practice for starbucks is to take whatever beans they have, and roast them until they are literally black. this removes all of the other flavors inherent in the beans and leaves nothing but a single bitter flavor

they do this BECAUSE they are a chain. because its hard for a chain coffee shop with a million locations to all get good beans. so they burn the shit out of whatever beans they get so that no matter what starbucks you go to it will taste exactly the same.

I have no problem with corporate chains, dude. Chipotle does it pretty well. hell there are other coffee chains that do it better than starbucks, although none of them are especially great about it. I guess you like that bitter taste better than like free trade coffee? that's fine. we all have different tastes. but you can achieve literally the same effect at home without spending an arm and a leg, even with just a ten dollar drip.

>> No.1942981

I want to open my own really bad bookstore.

>hardly any stock, just empty shelves
>mostly thrillers and crap
>laugh at people when they buy thrillers and crap, even though there's nothing else to buy
>C4 in basement

>> No.1942983

Now all of those damn manga floor cattle will take over Barnes & Noble.

>> No.1943039

>>1941535
What I like about the internet is that there's a place where you can download the entire Archie run of Sonic the Hedgehog.

>> No.1943625

>>1941572
So if I give the author roofies...

>> No.1943636

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEjDJ3_rxbc

>> No.1943726

>>1943636
Wot?

>> No.1943742

Man, I used to go there all the time when I was younger.

Feels pretty bad, man.

>> No.1943842

I will miss the Boarders in the Northern VA/DC area.

They actually had varied stock even if they couldn't hold up to internet prices.

All the local Barnes & Nobles carry the exact same thing.